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David O'Brien
August 28th, 2009
8:29 pm
Hanson’s warming up again, Bobby and Roger out there to make sure he’s good to go. Looks like he is.
Brandon from Warner Robins
August 28th, 2009
8:30 pm
McFann unfortunately im stuck with basic cable. so no sports south or fsn. If i had SS i would definitely be watching Spotlight.
jeffrey d
August 28th, 2009
8:30 pm
I don’t think Paul has commented yet. I wonder if he’s okay
brent a.
August 28th, 2009
8:30 pm
Steve, It goes back to your question of “is Manuel also an idiot because he used his starter?”
First off, let’s say that yes, Charlie Manuel is an idiot. Does that also give Cox the right to be an idiot?
Now, more specifically, which team had the most to lose by losing its starter to a rain delay tonight? As you have indicated by you answer of “Hanson. So what?” to the earlier question, you are showing that the Braves had more to lose than the Phillies tonight by losing their starter to a rain delay.
Therefore, if either manager was going to choose to not use his starter out of the gate for fear of an early rain delay, Cox would be the manager who should give more consideration to not using his starter, because Hanson means more to his team’s success.
To answer your initial question: “Is Manuel also an idiot?” Perhaps yes, perhaps no. I don’t think he’s an idiot, so I won’t attempt to make the argument that he is; but, Manuel can easily afford to lose Pedro. Pedro is not that great a pitcher, plus, he has Moyer if he needs him.
Whereas with Cox, if he loses Hanson (and it appears he may have), he has to turn it over to Medlen & Co, and begin taxing his bullpen in the first game of a critical series.
So, in short, perhaps Cox should’ve given more consideration to going with a reliever to start the game.
And, if it was wrong for Cox to go with Hanson, that doesn’t necessarily mean that it was wrong for Manuel to go with Pedro, because Hanson and Pedro are not the same person, and their respective importance to their teams is not equivalent.
brent a.
August 28th, 2009
8:31 pm
DOB’s 8:29 post = great news.
Brian
August 28th, 2009
8:32 pm
What are they doing? It stopped raining for like two minutes. Now it’s started again, and it ain’t stopping any time soon. Is there a radar in the house?
Katie
August 28th, 2009
8:33 pm
this was posted on the sport south fb page, its a video about Moylan getting tattooed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU-nOKlQ1_c
Steve from OH
August 28th, 2009
8:33 pm
Whereas with Cox, if he loses Hanson (and it appears he may have), he has to turn it over to Medlen & Co, and begin taxing his bullpen in the first game of a critical series.
Ok, first off, Medlen>Moyer, and their bullpens would be equally taxed. Second, don’t rationalize. Both managers performed the same action. That’s my point. In fact, I’d say it’s more of a wash than you think because Atlanta has the advantage either way.
McFann :Ô:
August 28th, 2009
8:34 pm
Brandon–
Dang, that stinks. It’s really good.
BUT NOW I CAN’T SEE THE END!! Dangit…how rude. Couldn’t they have waited just a few more minutes to start this game?
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2009
8:34 pm
And of course NOW it’s raining hard again, just as they restart
Your obsesson with B-Mac
August 28th, 2009
8:36 pm
should be looked into by mental health professionals.
Brian
August 28th, 2009
8:36 pm
They should have never started the game in the first place, and they shouldn’t have re-started. Whoever is running the show is totally inept tonight, seriously. I’m sitting at home in SC looking at the radar, and I could have told you. Do they not have someone looking at a radar?
brent a.
August 28th, 2009
8:36 pm
by the way, there is a great link tonight
http://www.p2p4u.net/watch-live-sports.php?id=4620&link=1
Heath
August 28th, 2009
8:37 pm
Looks like the blog ate my post, so, I’ll post this story again… If my original post pops up once I submit this…sorry. Anyway…
To comment on the northerners no understanding southerners -
When I was 12 (17 years ago), my mom had to call a company for something and she was transferred to someone in Boston. To make a long story short, the lady on the phone was surprised that we lived in a new $200,000 home on 200 acres of land with running water and in-door toilets. SERIOUSLY!!! I kid you not. I knew the northeasterners were self-centered and all (ESPN, anyone?), but come on! How in the world can someone in 1992 think that that? (I grew up about 45 minutes southwest of Louisville, KY right next to Fort Knox.)
Brandon from Warner Robins
August 28th, 2009
8:37 pm
Moylan has a lot of tattoos.
brent a.
August 28th, 2009
8:37 pm
the power of the taurus
Steve from OH
August 28th, 2009
8:37 pm
On the Phillies station they said they think it’ll be a light rain all night and they’re gonna try to play through it…
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2009
8:37 pm
These conditions are going to deteriorate rapidly, and they’re already bad.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 28th, 2009
8:38 pm
I’m back!
groundfog
August 28th, 2009
8:38 pm
This is over-Braves need to stall it
brent a.
August 28th, 2009
8:39 pm
Steve: That’s just it . . . they did not perform the same action.
One manager chose to go with Tommy Hanson, the other chose to go with Pedro Martinez.
Not sure why you can’t see the difference.
Mixxo
August 28th, 2009
8:39 pm
Nice stop Mac!
Brian
August 28th, 2009
8:39 pm
I just hope no one gets hurt out there, DOB.
Jake W.
August 28th, 2009
8:40 pm
“Heath–A lot of Northerners think the South is still 80% rural and are shocked to see how developed it is—though I’m not saying in any way that a rural area needs to be adjusted, just pointing out how many Northerners show their vast ignorance by their stereotypes.”
Yep, unfortunately thats the way it is. When I read those phillies blogs sometimes its hard to tell that the guy actually helped win them a world series last year. then again who do philly fans not hate. They hate the fact that Joe Simpson said Ryan Ikillbravespitching Howards homerun would not be a homerun at the ted. I mean its the truth so why get bothered by it. They think Charlies a bumbling fool, well most of them aren’t to far off themselves.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 28th, 2009
8:40 pm
Whats up with the game?
Paul Lentz
August 28th, 2009
8:40 pm
I see we are making Pedro look like the Pedro of old.
Shamus Thacker
August 28th, 2009
8:40 pm
Shoulda slid out and got body in front of that…
Steve from OH
August 28th, 2009
8:40 pm
They both went with their starter. The same person that would’ve started in perfect conditions. They did the same thing. Charlie Manuel cannot start Hanson because Hanson isn’t on his team. Why can’t you see this?
McFann :Ô:
August 28th, 2009
8:41 pm
DOB And of course NOW it’s raining hard again, just as they restart
They shouldn’t have restarted.
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2009
8:41 pm
ANOTHER freakin’ rain delay. This is a circus.
Soph
August 28th, 2009
8:42 pm
Wha? They re-started?
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 28th, 2009
8:42 pm
SO its back? Damn, I wanted a double header tomorrow…
Mario Mendoza
August 28th, 2009
8:42 pm
what’s the forecast DOB?
TnBrian
August 28th, 2009
8:43 pm
Alrighty, lets get the lead here and play through 5 inn. then they can call it. Is that too much to ask?
Soph
August 28th, 2009
8:43 pm
Oh, delayed again? Is no one in Philly looking at the damn radar?
Soph
August 28th, 2009
8:43 pm
Poor Tommy. It’s ok.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 28th, 2009
8:44 pm
Cancel the game! Cancel the game!!
Brian
August 28th, 2009
8:44 pm
What a fiasco. This crap really burns me up. We are (barely) in a playoff race here.
McFann :Ô:
August 28th, 2009
8:44 pm
Pick up where you left off with the Spotlight!
Katie
August 28th, 2009
8:45 pm
Here’s another tattoo video with Medlen, Prado, Schafer, and Moylan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSIGEYtDvRM&feature=related
Paul Lentz
August 28th, 2009
8:45 pm
Cheap programming. I miss the days of “This week in Baseball” during rain delays.
Well, at least we wont have to see the Jeff Francoeur “In my own words” segment for the 561st time.
McFann Ô
August 28th, 2009
8:46 pm
Or not. FINE! Be that way, then…
Heath
August 28th, 2009
8:46 pm
Looks like a lot of rain to come… not going to postpone?
If they did, would they make Hanson wait the normal five days to go back out?
Soph
August 28th, 2009
8:46 pm
Oh no, McFann – they didn’t even put the last few minutes of the Mac one on. It’s Bobby Cox…
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 28th, 2009
8:47 pm
Medlen said the F word!?!?!
jeffrey d
August 28th, 2009
8:47 pm
ugh….this is worse than America’s Funniest Home Videos
Supes
August 28th, 2009
8:47 pm
Cancel the game and play a double header on Sunday.
How hard is it to figure out.
Looking at the weather radar it is clear it’ll be raining on and off all night long in that area.
Man, someone very inept is running “the show” tonight.
Shamus Thacker
August 28th, 2009
8:47 pm
There’s a huge clearing like 5-min away. If they’d waited a few min……..
McFann Ô
August 28th, 2009
8:48 pm
Take THIS, rain-delay-game-back-on-rain-delay-make-me-miss-the-end-of-my-program-for-a-freaking-wild-pitch……
Soph
August 28th, 2009
8:48 pm
Medlen said the F word!?!?!
I love that guy.
Supes
August 28th, 2009
8:48 pm
Well, at least we wont have to see the Jeff Francoeur “In my own words” segment for the 561st time.
***************
No Paul, that was one of the benefits of trading Jeff to the Mets.
On the other hand, you will be able to see “In my own words:Bobby Cox” for the 562nd time!
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2009
8:49 pm
Looking ahead: Lowe has allowed 30 runs (23 earned) in the fourth inning this year. Next-highest total? 12 (all earned) in the third.
OK, back to watching rain (which, as I’ve said many times before, we do more in Phillly than anywhere else).
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 28th, 2009
8:49 pm
Its extremely hard to cancel a baseball game….
brent a.
August 28th, 2009
8:49 pm
Steve, please don’t do this. It’s unbecoming. Tommy Hanson is arguably the Braves best pitcher. Pedro is arguable the Phillies worst starter. If this was Cliff Lee tonight, then we can have a clearer discussion on the matter.
But, as you have really agreed to (whether you want to admit it, or not) the two managers did not do the same thing. You have admitted that Hanson means more to his team’s success than Pedro means to his. Therefore, Cox’s decision to go with Hanson on a rainy night, is riskier than Manuel choosing to go with Pedro.
Both managers had to put someone out there. So, both managers risked losing someone to a rain shortened night. And, as you’ve said (and I completely agree with you), both managers run the risk of taxing their bullpens.
But, Cox chose to go ahead and go with arguably his best pitcher, on a night where it looked like he could lose him early. Manuel did not. He went with perhaps his worst. Therefore, he was not faced with making the same decision as Cox, so the decisions are not a true apples to apples comparison.
And then, if you really want to have fun with this, it could be argued that strategically, Manuel went ahead and went with his “less valuable” starter, so as not to give Cox the idea to not burn Hanson on a rainy night. I’m not saying he did it, or thought about it; but, he could’ve done it. And if he did, then hey, Cox could be an idiot, and Manuel could be a genius for making what, as you say, was the “same decision”, which, I say, is a different decision, because the value of the starters is not the same.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 28th, 2009
8:49 pm
Damn those tats suck….
Katie
August 28th, 2009
8:50 pm
Soph-
I agree, Meds have definitely become one of my favorites this year
McFann Ô
August 28th, 2009
8:51 pm
Soph–
I know…so rude!!
Yeah, it was totally worth missing the end of Spotlight on BMac to see a wild pitch…
rackin-frackin…
BravesFanInPA
August 28th, 2009
8:52 pm
phillies want to play the game. they have 2 doubleheaders coming up with the mets and marlins in back to back weeks. but i think it is up to the umpires once the game starts. DOB can you help me out with that one. Oh if you come down to MCFaddens I will buy you a drink
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 28th, 2009
8:52 pm
I love that guy.
I love him more…
Steve from OH
August 28th, 2009
8:52 pm
Manuel did not. He went with perhaps his worst.
No he didn’t. Manuel started his best available starter tonight, brent. So did Cox. You’re making my point for me.
Soph
August 28th, 2009
8:54 pm
I love him more…
Well, I love him the most. (You better not say you love him infinity)
McFann Ô
August 28th, 2009
8:55 pm
BravesFanInPA they have 2 doubleheaders coming up with the mets and marlins in back to back weeks.
Ha! I remember back in ‘06 the Braves had a DH with the Fillies on back-to-back days, and then played another one against the Mets a couple days later, and then like, a week later they played another one with the Fillies.
It was something like that…
dogsbrekky - here filly filly filly, take this
August 28th, 2009
8:55 pm
Heath that is okay, they still ask me in NYC if there are kangaroos hopping around the cities downunder.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 28th, 2009
8:55 pm
I doubt the game gets canceled, it is very hard. Sponsors, revenue, TV time, and all that crap factor in to it more than anything.
Supes
August 28th, 2009
8:55 pm
Steve from OH,
it would have been nice if a Cliff Lee start got rained out if you are the Braves, don’t you think?
I think having Tommy rained out is the same thing for the Phillies, kind of nice.
TnBrian
August 28th, 2009
8:55 pm
You know, you don’t have to watch the same channel. Watch a movie or turn the stinkin channel.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 28th, 2009
8:56 pm
SD is killing FLA…. I don’t feel bad anymore…
Shamus Thacker
August 28th, 2009
8:58 pm
Rain should be over for quite a while… Things just opened up all the sudden…
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 28th, 2009
8:58 pm
Well, I love him the most. (You better not say you love him infinity)
I would go gay for him! Ask any guy, thats the most love…. Biiiiiiatch!
And you can’t go gay for him!
Steve from OH
August 28th, 2009
8:58 pm
I think having Tommy rained out is the same thing for the Phillies, kind of nice.
If it means skipping Pedro for Moyer, then it’s good for us, too. A Medlen-Moyer matchup gives us (IMO) the same advantage on the mound.
BravesFanInPA
August 28th, 2009
8:59 pm
believe me i think they should have never started this game. i am getting soaked and this shows no respect for their fans. as far as doubleheaders go they are proffesionals so get out there and play the game. 2 in one day aint that hard ya’ll
dogsbrekky - here filly filly filly, take this
August 28th, 2009
8:59 pm
I would like to see a height contest between Pedroia, Medlen, McLouth and Eckstein
DOB's Luggage from an undisclosed caribbean island
August 28th, 2009
8:59 pm
Hey boss, ya think they’ll let you put the clothes, underwear and toiletries on the expense account? Having the time of my life, wish you were here! Watch out for those slumpbusters.
ChurchMan
August 28th, 2009
9:00 pm
Nats trying to be a thorn in Smoltz’s side again (as they did in his first start of the year)
*If the Braves can win a few or 3 this weekend and Florida lose that many … I won’t feel that bad about the Braves losing 2-3 to the Pads, especially if we got them heated up in order to take out the WC competition
Shamus Thacker
August 28th, 2009
9:00 pm
Steve from OH: If it means skipping Pedro for Moyer, then it’s good for us, too. A Medlen-Moyer matchup gives us (IMO) the same advantage on the mound.”"
I agree
RHR
August 28th, 2009
9:01 pm
lol @ that optimism commercial during what would be a braves game.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 28th, 2009
9:01 pm
I would like to see a height contest between Pedroia, Medlen, McLouth and Eckstein
Nate ain’t that short
ChurchMan
August 28th, 2009
9:02 pm
Looks like there’s a big gap in the weather forming to the SW, but it might take an hour or more for it to get to Philly
Paul Lentz
August 28th, 2009
9:02 pm
Supes……….true.
Soph
August 28th, 2009
9:02 pm
Wow, JJ…um, I don’t think I can top that one. I think you win.
David O'Brien
August 28th, 2009
9:03 pm
Approx restart of the circus: 9:25.
brent a.
August 28th, 2009
9:04 pm
Steve, I’m not making your point, at all. Cox is about to burn one of his best pitchers. Something that would not have happened had he used a reliever.
Manuel is about to burn one of his worst starters. Something that really isn’t that big of a deal.
I’m not even arguing whether what Cox did was right or wrong. I’m simply saying that Cox’s decision to go with his starter could’ve been a bad decision, while Manuel’s decision to go with his starter could’ve been a fine decision.
Which, I know that you agree with, because you’ve already said that Hanson is more valuable to his team than Pedro.
Shamus Thacker
August 28th, 2009
9:04 pm
ChurchMan, pretty big gap right now…
RHR
August 28th, 2009
9:04 pm
cab – you still around? sundresses and sandals are as comfortable as jeans and flip flops…lol its not like a sunday dress with heels and hose. is that the kind of “dress” you imagined?
Brandon from Warner Robins
August 28th, 2009
9:05 pm
have the clowns made an appearance DOB?
jeffrey d
August 28th, 2009
9:06 pm
The Wedding Singer’s on…I love Drew Barrymore
Steve from OH
August 28th, 2009
9:07 pm
Would Martinez have started tonight, regardless of weather condition?
Shamus Thacker
August 28th, 2009
9:07 pm
We should play for a while this time..
RHR
August 28th, 2009
9:07 pm
Circus? Did someone say circus?
http://www.imeem.com/people/CkJkCyT/music/7P7J2ctS/circus-music-circus-theme-songmp3/
Too soon?
Cheese
August 28th, 2009
9:07 pm
I wanna see the trapeze people
cabravesfan
August 28th, 2009
9:08 pm
RHR-
I don’t even own a dress…I have a couple (read: 2) skirts but that’s the extent of my “girly” wardrobe
brent a.
August 28th, 2009
9:08 pm
Would Cliff Lee have started tonight, regardless of whether condition?
brent a.
August 28th, 2009
9:08 pm
whether = weather
Steve from OH
August 28th, 2009
9:08 pm
Cliff Lee is not tonight’s scheduled starter. That is not relevant to tonight’s game.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 28th, 2009
9:09 pm
Wow, JJ…um, I don’t think I can top that one. I think you win.
Haha. Silly Soph. It’s not about winning…now. I just consumed the best 12oz. of Filet Mignon that Chicago has to offer… and 4oz. of some pretty damn good NY strip…. I’m all happy and smiles!
Mixxo
August 28th, 2009
9:09 pm
Maybe Tommy can just “feel” like we batted around a couple of times…..and get back out there.
Steve from OH
August 28th, 2009
9:09 pm
And yes, I think he would have. Will you answer my question?
Shamus Thacker
August 28th, 2009
9:09 pm
Dayum, got company, see y’all later!
GO BRAVES!!
Bye all…
Tiger Woods
August 28th, 2009
9:10 pm
Brent,
you are a joke man. Why are you trying to nit pick. Leave if you gonna be an ars hole. Thank you. Manuel would have played it the same way. Geez man get a life.
Brian the Brain
August 28th, 2009
9:11 pm
What’s the over/under on # of rain delays tonight?