3:09 pm August 28, 2009, by David O'Brien
August 29th, 20094:40 pm
keylargo, I was thinking the same thing as your 4:37. Torture.
Yes I agree TnBrian it is the same reason he keeps sending up Norton who must have pictures of Cox with animals from his farm.
August 29th, 20094:41 pm
One of? He does it every! POW–ZOOM. I remember him in that Home Run Derby a few years back. One of you Professor Pete stats types help me out here,but din’t he hit 29,I think! Plays a humungus 1st sack and is a perfect gentleman.
August 29th, 20094:42 pm
I hate the Braves.
I can’t watch anymore but I probably will cause I’m a retard, sort of like Matt Diaz. Just can’t lay off that ball ten feet off the plate.
That game was bull**** but they still should have won. People act like Howard destroyed us. They gor a bloop single, if not for that they would have only had 3 GD runs. Give me a break. We can’t score three damn runs?
It’s too late for “we didn’t swing the bats” BS. How about, “we suck”?
August 29th, 20094:43 pm
They gor a bloop single
Obviously I meant to say “gort”.
August 29th, 20094:44 pm
why would Gorecki have to be sent down? Aren’t rosters expanding? Tho it may be a start te see if they want to keep him up or not.
Anybody ever seen Definitely Maybe?
What a terrible movie that is.
August 29th, 20094:45 pm
Or at least a weed eater,a chicken and a jar of peach preserves!
August 29th, 20094:47 pm
Gort,Klaatu varada nicto!
August 29th, 20094:48 pm
Now that is funny Ebenezer
August 29th, 20094:49 pm
furman bisher— thanks for telling the truth. braves don’t stand a chance against my mighty phillies BABY! we are to much to handle and our pitching IS better from top to bottom. that combined with howard,utley,j-roll, the flyin hawaian PLEASE, braves sorry as@# aren’t even worthy of spit shining their cleets!! NL EAST CHAMPIONS AGAIN GO TO THE PHILLIES!!!! have fun watching my boys in october while u all sit there wishing it was chumper at the plate instead of the man,the beast, the brave killa mr.ryan howard!!! GO PHILLS!!!!
August 29th, 20094:53 pm
PhillyMike – shouldn’t you be at the dog fight insteada wasting time here?
The Bird and Indian
August 29th, 20094:56 pm
Furman Bitcher: We definitely have a better shortstop than the Phillies. Why don’t you go look at those numbers. I would also rather have Nate than Victorino going into next season. If you think the Phillies have better pitching than the Braves than you should leave. Other than Lee they have a very unproven and shaky staff. Pedro, Hamels, Happ, and Myers? versus our bottom 4 of Jurrjens, Hanson, Hudson/Kawakami, and Vasquez. Yes, our ace is supposed to be Lowe.
Right blarg at you baby.
August 29th, 20094:57 pm
I have often wondered something and now I can ask you. What was it like to be a loser for an entire decade? Not a single NL East crown in the nineties. Did you guys ever beat the Mets for second place? Those must have been some real races!
Mitchell: Of course you couldn’t resist mentioning your hated Matt Diaz. Next time why don’t you bash someone that isn’t one of the hottest hitters in the league. You never fail making yourself sound like an idiot.
lee is going carve those braves hitters to shreads. the only good hitter in that lineup that could maybe put a fear in a pitcher is mccann. he’s not even in the class of howard,utley,or j-roll, but compared to the rest of that sorry a@! lineup he looks like mike schmidt or babe ruth. how pathetic of a team when a broken down 37 year old IF is hitting 3rd??? OMG, that is a freakin joke. HAHAHA
My Wife Says It's Over!
August 29th, 20094:58 pm
Earlier today, my wife asked if I wanted to watch a movie tonight after dinner. I told her, “sure….sounds like a good idea.”
In turn she pronounced the Braves done for 2009. Her reasoning was that if I were willing to watch a movie instead of the Braves playing the Phils, the Braves must be toast for this year.
August 29th, 20094:59 pm
Man I’m fired up today. Good thing I won’t be on the blog during the game tonight. I’d be all over people.
August 29th, 20095:01 pm
PhillyMike: Yeah that broken down 37 year old always tears up the Phillies and has almost won 2 batting titles in a row. Do you realize you have Pedro Martinez on your team? Don’t talk about broken down.
August 29th, 20095:02 pm
you may have been blogging for 3 years, but you don’t know the game RE: ROCK ON
we all know that already
B & I –
Let it out.
August 29th, 20095:05 pm
Still can’t figure out why someone who knows there team is likely destined for the playoffs feel the need to brag on a team that obviously is lesser than them right now. Here’s a hint, the Cards have a blog, oh and so do the rockies, dodgers, and giants. You know these are teams all ahead of the braves right now.
Cards are looking pretty good though right now. There reclamation pitcher project has turned in better results than yours to this point. But hey, for your sake I hope you guys win it all this year because we all know just winning it once isn’t good enough. I mean thats what you guys keep telling us braves fans. The Cards don’t look like they’ll choke like the cubs did last year so the competition looks a little stronger this year. On the AL side the Yanks are rolling along and the Angels are back again. No little upstart team to pick on this year like you did the rays.
August 29th, 20095:07 pm
Maybe, move Bobby to bench coach and make Eddie Perez the manager. Fire Chino, Sniker, and TP Jurrjens
LMAO, the fantasy baseball approach to managers and coaches.
It isn’t bad enough that we have to read that kind of crap about the players, now we read it about management too.
Do any of these fantasy nerds have even a small clue about how the real world baseball works? Obviously not.
August 29th, 20095:11 pm
Really semiballcoach? Final score 4-2 and he gives up 1 run. You say you would have known he got the loss? ROCK ON
as would anyone with a baseball brain. They would immediately know that he gave up enough run(s)
to be behind when he left and the Braves never tied it or got ahead. Man, anybody with even a modicum of baseball knowledge would be able to figure that out. Oh yeah, I forgot…
August 29th, 20095:12 pm
in all seriousness, if the braves get a real cleanup hitter for next year, like a fielder, old man jones can somehow make a comeback and if they can keep that pitching in tact, the braves have a good shot at being a terrific team. the nucleus is there to be good, but there are to many key pieces missing at this point.
August 29th, 20095:19 pm
Like all moves save one. Move Blobby to clubhouse manager!
August 29th, 20095:21 pm
Thanks for the honesty phillymike but hey, to those dissing the FOX saturday day game, how could you not like the matchup. You have the mets playing who seemingly can show you something you’ve never seen all season every game and the cubs who wear that whole loveable loser thing perfect. The two most underachieving teams in the NL the last few years going head to head. Great matchup where truly anything is possible.
August 29th, 20095:24 pm
They have a better 1st baseman, 2nd baseman, shortstop, left, center & right.
I like our shortstop better. But you’re right on with the rest of it.
August 29th, 20095:28 pm
Car 54 where arrrrrrrrr you?
August 29th, 20095:29 pm
Here is a scout’s take on Teheran and Milligan (EFRIM)
I’ve seen his work B4. He comes to an awful lot of conclusions after just one viewing of a player. I kinda doubt he is an actual paid scout, and if he is he needs to watch more and write less.
The A Bomb
August 29th, 20095:33 pm
Pitching is pretty equal except for closer.
Furman — I’ll take Lee tonight. You take Lowe since they’re “pretty equal.”
August 29th, 20095:34 pm
Radar looks like a little shower might pass through in an hour and then be pretty clear tonight… Shouldn’t have anything near that circus we had last night.
August 29th, 20095:37 pm
Heath Shouldn’t have anything near that circus we had last night.
dogsbrekky - here filly filly filly, take this
August 29th, 20095:38 pm
Had about 4 inches of the wet stuff up here on Long Island but at leats the surf was up… trouble was there was practically no beach left
We have but 10 losses left, have to go 72% wins for the rest of the year, going to be tough
nolie, good point. You know this better than me, but how much can you really take out of one game viewing of a player? Like, what’s a good sample of games to gage what the players strengths and weaknesses? I suppose it depends. Thoughts?
Memo to Braves pitching: I promise to hit 3 or less dingers tonight! Remember what I told you before last night’s game applies to tonight’s too!
August 29th, 20095:39 pm
Church’s back is bad again. Flared during game last night. He’s day-to-day again….
McLouth played four or five innings in first rehab game Friday,went 0-for-2 with a walk. He’ll be in Florida on Monday, but Bobby said he doesn’t know if he’ll be activated until Tuesday (Sept. 1), when rosters can be expanded. They’re having a hard time figuring out how to open a spot, apparently, so might just wait until Tuesday. I’m guessing that some folks could make a suggestion about how to open a spot, but hey….
August 29th, 20095:40 pm
I thought at one point we might have an old man leading a bunch of animals across the field!
Mid Town Joe
DOB Any word on Werth after his wall contact last night?
August 29th, 20095:41 pm
the majors for awhile since he’ll likely be sent down when McLouth comes off the DL Monday. Right/wrong? (TnBrian)
why? with the roster expanding would they automatically send him down?
they might, but it certainly isn’t as destined as you are making it sound
I’m guessing that some folks could make a suggestion about how to open a spot, but hey….
You know you are thinking the same thing.
August 29th, 20095:42 pm
McFann and all – we get to see what Lowe is really made of tonight. I have had this feeling all weekend that Lee would lose this one and the real big game Lowe would show up… can’t substantiate any of it based on current form but hey even Big Brown had an off day in the wet
August 29th, 20095:43 pm
10 losses. Okay,at least one more at Philly and at least two to the Fish and after this we play them how many more times? Time for flowers & candles!
August 29th, 20095:44 pm
We have but 10 losses left, have to go 72% wins for the rest of the year, going to be tough — dogsbrekky
So they did go ahead and pass that 71-loss limit rule for postseason qualification, huh? I missed the announcement entirely.
Open spot easy fire Norton!
August 29th, 20095:45 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA Howard has owned your girly pitchers!!!! Enjoy being 10 games out of the division and 6.5 games out of the WC when this is over. And then on to Florida where you will then be 13 games out of the division and 9.5 games out of the WC. If only you didn’t sign that homo “I’m tired when no one else in baseball is in FREAKING August” Chipper Nancy Boy Jones to a three year extension!!!! HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
August 29th, 20095:48 pm
I’m not even going to bother. Goodbye all.
August 29th, 20095:49 pm
dogsbrekky, the 2008 Dodgers are just fortunate that 71-loss limit rule wasn’t in effect last season — when they went 84-78, won the NL West and swept the Cubs in the division series.
Not suggesting these Braves are that kind of team, at all. Just saying, why do so many people here get obsessed with this mythical 90-win mark like it’s some sort of qualifying standard for postseason play?
nolie (August 29th, 2009 5:41 pm): ” ‘the majors for awhile since he’ll likely be sent down when McLouth comes off the DL Monday. Right/wrong?’ (TnBrian)
“why? with the roster expanding would they automatically send him down?
they might, but it certainly isn’t as destined as you are making it sound”
So that McLouth will be eligible for the postseason, rather than Gorecki.
Yes — I said that with a straight face.
August 29th, 20095:50 pm
Yeah, we shall see…I hope you’re right.
They play 162 games a season to neutralize the luck. Assuming you did not care about the Braves and yet you had a chance to have front row seats at the World Series. If you ONLY had an interest in watching GOOD baseball what other teams besides the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Rangers(????), Phillies, Cards, Dodgers and Rockies would you want to see involved??
There are 8 teams that you would want to introduce baseball to for someone who had never seen a game and you were trying to assure he or she saw the best product.
August 29th, 20095:51 pm
not all that much. you can get an idea of his physical abilities, speed running etc, maybe some on his mechanics. but if you are really interested in a player you need to revisit him as often as possible with some spacing in between to lessen the chances of catching him on a hot or cold streak.
Think about watching Chipper two months ago and watching him now. Anybody who watches a guy once or twice and draws conclusions from a few radar gun readings eyc is doing a superficial job. But then this guy seems to be just trying to give an idea, which is ok in his line I guess, just don’t place all that much trust in such infrequent viewings. I don’t know if he will be right or wrong, but the “sample size” seems awful small.
DOB- how long do you think it will take for a pitcher to put one in Hanley Ramirez’a earhole? He has gotten into the habit of posing at the plate after hitting line drives to the opposite field. I first saw it against the Braves, but I’ve since seen him do it more.
August 29th, 20095:52 pm
Mid Town Joe: Werth’s in the lineup
In other words, the usual suspects.
August 29th, 20095:54 pm
Met at Cubs. Can you say Grand Salami for Mr Fox? YeeeeeeeeeeeYaaaaaaaaaah! I hate the Mets. Seein’ them lose is almost as good as a Braves win!
August 29th, 20095:55 pm
Yes — I said that with a straight face. (Random)
only if Clouth is ready, And if he isn’t they can always play DL games. And they could always bring Gorecki back up if they wanted to , which makes Brian’s main point shaky which was my point. Lotsa points there
August 29th, 20095:59 pm
Tarp’s coming on the field, and it’s getting dark from heavy clouds moving in….
Rockford: 20 years ago, about 50 current players would be put on their backsides for the stuff they do at the plate on a regular basis. But game’s changed, for better or worse (worse, in my view), and guys get away with standing and watching their long flies (some that don’t even make it out) without repercussion. Same thing for taking forever to get ready in the box, going through 10 silly steps before every pitch, calling timeout when a pitcher is going a little too quickly for their liking, etc, etc.
I haven’t noticed Hanley doing that (posing on opp-field line drive), but I don’t doubt that he’s doing what you say.
August 29th, 20096:02 pm
August 29th, 2009
dogsbrekky, the 2008 Dodgers are just fortunate that 71-loss limit rule wasn’t in effect last season — when they went 84-78, won the NL West and swept the Cubs in the division series.
2008 WC – Brewers 90-72
2007 WC – Rockies 90-73
2006 WC – Dodgers 88-74
2005 WC – Astros 89-73
2004 WC – Astros 92-70
2003 WC – Marlins 91-71
2002 WC – Giants 95-66
OK..so, it’s easy to see that the average number of wins required to win the WC is around 90. Can it be won by winning less than 90? Sure. Is it likely this year? Probably not. I don’t mean to sound confrontational with you sir, but I don’t see how you don’t understand why people don’t use the 90-win plateau as a general rule of thumb to win the WC. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. It’s really not that hard to see when you look at what the Rockies, Giants, and Dodgers are probably going to do this year and what previous WC winners have done in the past.
August 29th, 20096:05 pm
The only chance the braves have against the phillies is to walk Ryan Howard every time he comes up regardless of the situation.
August 29th, 20096:06 pm
It’s POURING here now
August 29th, 20096:08 pm
The people in charge of watching the radar in Philadelphia must be taking a nap or just off their rocker. Anyone could see that the rain would hit about an hour before the game, last probably 30 minutes, and be clear afterwards… I think I even mentioned it on here a while ago.
August 29th, 20096:09 pm
More rain delays probably?
August 29th, 20096:10 pm
Anyway we could trade Chipper and prospects for Howard? What ya think DOB? — OldTimer
Yeah, sure. If the prospects are named Heyward, Freeman and Hanson.
Ugh, not again. Cue circus music!
August 29th, 20096:13 pm
nolie — Okay.
Add Pujols to that list of arrogant pricks that pose after their bombs. I really don’t like that guy, and I don’t give a damn how good he is at baseball. If I’m a pitcher in MLB right now you can bet I’m drilling somebody doing that to me. Come charge me and I’ll do a kung fu back hand to the jaw.
Ah, go away, rain…
August 29th, 20096:14 pm
Just a cell moving through Philly it looks like. There is more to the west moving east but should miss Philly to the north. Should quit by game time! Go Bravos we need a win! Cheer loud DOB! We need you to start the Chop tonight. Please!!
August 29th, 20096:15 pm
TnBrian- Hanley does it on SINGLES
So . . . we won’t activate Nate McLouth on Monday because it might cost us an evening or Reid Gorecki or Greg Norton.
August 29th, 20096:16 pm
bobby, bull sh**… pitch that fat ass inside and watch him rifle it to Prado at 2nd with that shift. You can tie him up as Lowe showed in game1 of ‘09. Remember all the other times that’s happend this year? You CAN get him out.
August 29th, 20096:17 pm
Heath, “general rule of thumb” is a bit different than saying the Braves have 10 losses left period.
How ’bout if Braves go 21-13 the rest of the way, to finish with the same record the Dodgers had when they won the wild card in 2006? How ’bout if they go 22-12 the rest of the way, to post the record the Astros had when they won the wild card in 2005?
How ’bout, it doesn’t matter? All that matters is finishing with one less loss than the next-best non-division winner. And yes, that’s going to be difficult.
August 29th, 20096:18 pm
Jim R., I’ve never seen Hanley do that against the Braves. That’s all I care about. Kiddin, but I haven’t seen him do that on us.
that;s a little much. howard is great, but let’s not get carried away just because he crushes the braves. he’s not the best player on his own team. and he isnt the best first baseman in the nl.
August 29th, 20096:19 pm
nolie, makes sense. Thanks for dropping some of that scouting knowledge!
August 29th, 20096:22 pm
This last series against us, in the first inning he hit a liner to Diaz’s right in RF. Diaz cut it off, but with Hanley’s speed he could’ve possibly stretched it. If the ball was right at Diaz, he would’ve had a shot at a 9-3 putout.
August 29th, 20096:24 pm
You are right, you only have to have 1 less loss than the next best team in the WC race. But, you think that the Rockies and/or Dodgers will finish 2nd in their division with only 87 wins…or 88…or even 89? I think that is the main point that people are trying to make when they use the 90-win plateau in their argument. More times than not, the WC winner wins 90 or more and this year’s race doesn’t look any different. The Braves, as a team, needs only to focus on their games…focus on winning every single game. Us outsiders, though, can see that they had probably, in all likelihood, better win 90 or more if they want a shot.
v. Atlanta – 30
v. Florida – 30
v. San Francisco – 32
v. Florida – 35
v. Colorado – 39
v. San Francisco – 37
v. Colorado – 36
v. Atlanta – 32
v. Florida – 32
August 29th, 20096:26 pm
The rain moving out quickly there. Will not last but a few more minutes.
August 29th, 20096:28 pm
Dobi – no rule or anything, just think we need 91 wins for the WC based on baseballprospectus and some of ther other stat sites
August 29th, 20096:32 pm
Hmmm, no pre-game on FSS today.
August 29th, 20096:33 pm
I think we need to go back in time and win some of the games we lost. I think both of our points are valid. High five.
August 29th, 20096:34 pm
Better win 90
Exactly, the BRaves can’t get into how many, they just focus or should on the game at hand. 90 wins is a minimum, the Rockies can get there by playing 2 games better than .500 the rest of the way.(You certainly got to figure that’s the worse they will do) I figure we need 92 wins though to win it outright or to tie. Quite a task. Lose tonight and tomorrow and your talking mathmatically possible but a minor miracle would be needed!
August 29th, 20096:36 pm
but if you are really interested in a player you need to revisit him as often as possible with some spacing in between to lessen the chances of catching him on a hot or cold streak.
I wish more people paid more attention to you, LOL. We get folks on here to speak of some prospect in glowing terms (heck, they’re ready to bring him up and sign out his arbitration years, LOL), and they’ve seen the kid once or not at all. Jeez, I’ve seen guys in three different seasons and a couple of levels and still don’t have a firm opinion on them.
‘Course, that could be because I don’t have the insight of some our more verbose and props-seeking posters, I guess.
I wouldn’t be shocked if the Rockies played 5-games under for the rest of the year. They are a streaky team….see the first half. You’re doing too much figuring.
I wouldn’t pitch to Howard with men on base tonight! No matter how many are out.
I’m getting conflicting reports that the rain is about out of there… nope, looks like the radar is showing a huge cell moving in within the next half hour. Then again, it could move just north of Philly which would probably cause little rainfall in which they could play in. Then again…
August 29th, 20096:37 pm
We’re having a sun shower now. Supposed to be 20-30 minute delay to start….
Hey, they’re playing what’s-his-name on the blog’s favorite tune right now, Kings of Leon’s “Use Somebody.”
August 29th, 20096:39 pm
I can hear the call now………..
Howard at the plate…….there’s a pop fly into left field, Garrett drifts back……..gets under it…………HOME RUN RYAN HOWARD!
August 29th, 20096:40 pm
Heath, if you want to look at that “90 wins or bust” senario than by all means, do your sh**. Me, I’m just waiting to see if Chipper can be Chipper again because for me, he’s the key the rest of the way.
August 29th, 20096:41 pm
Got a couple of CDs this morning here in Philly, the recent one by Levon Helm (Electric Dirt) and new one by Arctic Monkeys. Good stuff. Also got Stones’ remastered Tattoo You, since I only had the first-edition CD and they had all the remasters on sale.
Here’s a clip about Helm’s Electric Dirt.
August 29th, 20096:45 pm
You’re just not a good evaluator of talent. nolie isn’t, either. If I sent Lentz out to scout a guy, we could take his evaluation as Gospel truth. You see, it’s about rectitude. Lentz has it in spades. Don’t hate him because he’s always right. Hate yourself because you can’t be him.
August 29th, 20096:46 pm
Back when Imus was on MSNBC, he had Levon on quite a bit. Really enjoyed those sessions and interviews.
August 29th, 20096:48 pm
Facts are facts and that is what I just posted. If you think the Braves can win the WC with less than 90 wins, so be it. I want to see the Braves do well and get in the play-offs, irregardless of how they do it. I just look at the Dodgers, Rockies, Giants, and to some extent, the Marlins, and think that 88-89 wins is not that likely… History supports that and looking at how the competing teams will likely finish up the season also makes it look difficult too.
Oh, love that one.
I get it now.
They’re sort of like a gritter version of the Jonas Brothers.
August 29th, 20096:50 pm
Don’t hate [Dentz] because he’s always right. Hate yourself because you can’t be him.
Well, Chop, “hate myself” might be a little much, so maybe I’ll just look at my poor-by-comparison as an opportunity for personal growth, LOL.
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