2:54 pm August 26, 2009, by David O'Brien
"You all are Cox apologists"
August 26th, 20094:27 pm
The difference between the Rockies and the Braves are the Rockies show effort consistently and the Braves give a half-assed effort too often. HEY Braves, you can’t beat a team on paper, you actually have to put forth an effort to win. The good thing is that if they keep losing, it decreases the potential for Cox to return.
Or are you claiming Lentz as the blogger to be named later in the Frenchy deal, Anders?
Lets do a scene! I’ll be George Carlin and you can be the heckler:
August 26th, 20094:28 pm
If you’d be a little more respectful of other posters like your 4:19 post, and not use caps all the time, you might find that defending your positions might go a little smoother. As it is, you usually defend your positions by getting in peoples faces by yelling all the time. A strong person can defend his or her position by not screaming.
Let’s look at it in a positive way: This is just the 2009 Braves MO… they lose the first one and win the next 2 or 3 — or something like that…
The Braves should have insurance on Chipper. So if he had, say, season-ending surgery in the 2nd year of a $137.5MM contract the insurance would pick up.
August 26th, 20094:29 pm
Did you say you had some extra props laying around?
I know summa y’all think I don’t love the Braves. You couldn’t be more wrong, I assure you.
I’m just not nearly as as happy with our everyday lineup as most of you. I’m not nearly as optimistic about next year as most of you either. Does that make me care less about the Braves? Certainly not.
Just look at a few positions. 3rd-Base: Chipper is obviously in decline, nuff said. Outfield: Do we have a true-blue major league caliber outfielder on this team? Even McLouth is more suited to 4th outfielder. 2nd-Base: KJ is way too inconsistent, offensively and defensively. Prado, IMO, has played way over his head but is settling back to earth. 1st-Base: LaRoche has been a great pickup, but we all know what we’ll get from him the first half of next season. I’m happy with B-Mac at catcher, cause I know he’ll B-Bac eventually. Heyward will be here sometime next year; unfortunately baseball is a team game.
If Vazquez is traded for hitting, the pitching will suffer, especially if Huddy has arm difficulty or is less effective. Liberty Media is not gonna cough-up funds for much FA activity. Where does all this leave us? Y’all tell me? Please?
When is Liberty Media’s ownership time-requirement fulfilled? Arthur Blank, where are you?
YAAC Apologists -
Typically, when you open a post with “Question” you actually pose one.
Only this Braves offense could make the Padres look like a World Series caliber team. Felt bad for J.J. and the other pitchers who pitched their guts out.
scoots – no, but I called NPD the first day I ever read a PL posting. And not a single one of you bastages gave me props for that.
August 26th, 20094:30 pm
Now, it’d definitely be brutal if he had, say, season-ending surgery in the 2nd year of a $137.5MM contract. Whew, that’d look like a dumb signing!
Or, say a team picked up an option on a certain 37 year old first baseman for 12 mil and the guy only played 23 games the whole season. I mean, that would be a complete wash!
fleming………..bottom line, it’s crunch time. This is the time of the year where either you “pick up the pace” or you “fall back to the pack”. When the Rockies lost those 2 low scoring games against the Padres, the losses werent as magnified. Plus those losses werent critical because of the overall play of the Rockies.
However, losing last night to the Padres hurts more, given our position in the standings. We cant afford to have nights like last night against bad teams like the Padres…..not if we want to make a serious run at the playoffs.
August 26th, 20094:31 pm
Anders……….just like the 2008 Braves, there is no hope for your Mets. Injuries killed their year, just like it killed ours last year. No other way to say it.
Chop Chop AKA "Buckshot Shorty"
I’m just spittin’ my verbs like an automatic weapon.
August 26th, 20094:32 pm
Shamus – you’re the good kind of crazy. Pay no mind to the haters. Props to you for doing your thang.
Mets fans ought to just shut up. They have more troulble than just injuries. (including a crazy GM)
August 26th, 20094:33 pm
Shamus – all that with Q on your fingers…..
August 26th, 20094:34 pm
Maybe the Braves should be “too tired” to put Chipper’s paycheck in. That what most workplaces would do.
civilized white trash
diaz makes the bunt he is a hero good for him to try
Well, speaking for myself, I was out of props that day. Honest.
Stocked up now, though, by God. Ready to give props at a moment’s notice. Hardly even need a reason, in fact. Props to Low-budget Theater up there, luv ya, man, LOL.
going 1 for 25 makes a guy look like a DH? how is that? (DAP)
Playing the field takes it’s toll. Especially on the legs. Otherwise, why does Chipper DH every chance he gets in interleague?
After reading Jeff S’s interview with Chipper last night I thought he would be sitting out tonight .
However, losing last night to the Padres hurts more, given our position in the standings.
Didn’t realize that games in August count more than games in May and July. My mistake. What happens? Win a game in August and gain 2 games and lose a game in August and lose two games in the standings
Paul, thanks. I’m not one to stray outside the fact and resort to drama when it comes to debate. Pointing out what I believe are the facts is just fine.
One thing about the Padres’ pitching the Braves saw last night, all of those pitchers have a strikeout rate of 6.5 per 9 innings or better. The pitcher who got the win, Thatcher, actually leads the team with 11.2 SO/9.
Not saying this should be an excuse for the Braves to only score 1 run. But it’s not like the Braves failed against Washington or Pittsburgh–teams who have shown no indication that they can make hitters miss.
Nova Scotia Steve
August 26th, 20094:35 pm
Oilver Perez – Out for season with knee surgury -
Props to Buckshot Shorty!
August 26th, 20094:36 pm
Survey, how many blog denizens read Paul Lentz’s post, just curious.
August 26th, 20094:38 pm
Mr. Lentz- You showed no sense of urgency or effort in your 4:31 response to me. You wouldn’t just be mailing it in because I’m not in the race anymore? Kind of like the Padres.
Your disappointed pal,
August 26th, 20094:39 pm
Bat Masterson – Survey, how many blog denizens read Paul Lentz’s post, just curious.
faninva…….that Mets game after the All-Star Break was 2-0 going into the bottom of the 8th inning. When the Braves failed to score more than 1 run with the bases loaded in the bottom of the 8th, Bobby brought in Manny Acosta, who gave up 3 runs in the top of the 9th.
If the Braves get the clutch hit from Norton and score 2 runs in the bottom of the 8th, it is safe to assume that Bobby brings in Soriano, who was on fire at that time. I’m pretty sure that Soriano would have saved that game.
When the game mattered, it was 2-1 Mets in the bottom of the 8th inning, when the game ended.
Oh, and if you dont remember how Kawakami was getting ripped, you might want pull up the blog from that game and check the comments.
I will admit an error on my part about the 1-0 lead. It was a scoreless game going into the top of the 6th when Kawakami gave up the only 2 runs he allowed in 6 2/3 innings. We scored 1 run in the bottom of the 8th when Norton came to the plate with the bases loaded. That is when he whiffed through 2 fastballs down the middle of the plate, after working the count to 3-1.
August 26th, 20094:41 pm
faninva……I use caps to highlight and put emphasis on certain points, not to yell.
August 26th, 20094:42 pm
Paul Lentz: “David O’Brien………the reason why Garret Anderson would have been out by 30 feet if he tried to score was because not only was he loafing around the bases…..but instead of looking at the 3rd base coach, he looked back and slowed down when he rounded second to see if the right fielder caught the ball.”
Thats the way I saw it also. No reason to slow down because there were 2 outs, so yes, he would have been out from here to you. So I assume had GA made it just to 2nd on a “clean” single, then Cox PR’s for him and, of course, Diaz never bunts. Just speculation on my part.
Shaun: “I watch the games too, and I don’t see what you see nor do I have any reason whatsoever to believe the Braves mental state is something other than going out there to win every game.”
Thinking and doing are 2 different things.
August 26th, 20094:43 pm
andersPlaying the field takes it’s toll. Especially on the legs. Otherwise, why does Chipper DH every chance he gets in interleague?
well, he doesnt DH every time he gets in interleague. and im not sure its chipper’s legs that are his problem. if its anything physical, i think its his oblique…but none of us really know what the problem is.
Bay Area Steve
August 26th, 20094:44 pm
<—– pining for scoots’ props.
Great stuff on the blog today, folks, even if I’ve mistakenly caught a whiff of the occasional Dentz post.
don’t know that I can respect a man who mixes Patron…are you a girly-man?
Well, we know Shaun does. Props to him for that.
August 26th, 20094:45 pm
McLouth a 4th outfielder???? He might only hit around 260. all year but he plays good defense and will hit 20+ homers a year with 20+ stolen bases. He’s a good player.
August 26th, 20094:46 pm
Remember that hour PL got banned? Props to DOB for that.
Finally DOB puts a picture up in his headline of a band I’ve heard of. Kinda like Pearl Jam myself.
I’ll tell ya, if Chipper keeps slumping then it will take a miracle to get to the playoffs and if so, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he’s dealt in the winter for prospects. There’s going to be a ton of Chipper bashing like nothing before if he’s the reason we miss the postseason. Him being the “leader” and all.
I love how some people say that playoff teams don’t lose to bad teams like SD but I guess the Phills aren’t playoff material losing a crusher to the Pirates, huh?
August 26th, 20094:47 pm
fleming…..the thing about having insurance on a players contract is that you cant make a claim until after the season is over with, because there is always a chance that he will come back early. Insurance companies just dont pay out millions of dollars until all the documentation is in.
For instance, look at Tim Hudson. The Braves had no way of knowing when Hudson was going to come back for sure. They were optimistic he could have come back in early August. However, he could suffer another setback and not come back at all.
So in other words, when Frank Wren made his budget for this year……..he had to factor paying Hudson his whole salary because he didnt know how much the insurance was going to pick up on it. That money wont come in until sometime after the season is over with. And the documentation will have to be in place and the insurance company will need time to process the claim. And when it comes to multi-million dollar claims, they arent exactly in a rush to “cut the check”.
submariner: “YES, I’d rather him go up there and ground out then keep his bat on his shoulder and get walked. It’s called leadership by example. Earn the money you wer given by doing what you were paid to do! Again, he looked right at the first pitch down the center of the plate and didn’t even look like he wanted to hit it! He had to know that Bell needed to get ahead. He’d just walked McCann! How hard is it?”
You must be kidding…..in that situation, you get on base however you can because you are the potential winning run. And because he had just walked McCann is probably why he wanted to take that 1st pitch, which is what a lot of hitters do if they sense a pitcher may be a little wild.
Props to BA Steve, best damn drinkin’ man on the forum!
You woulda gotten them sooner, big guy, had I known you were. Your mere appearance generates props, LOL. And the occasional prosit.
August 26th, 20094:48 pm
OK my head just exploded…better go get that checked. Later guys!
RHR, was it an hour? Seemed like a minute. But, props to you for bringing it up, anyway.
Chipper is on a obvious decline, we all know his power will deminish alot more next year, I dont care if he only hits 10 homeruns next year. As long as he racks up singles and walks and doesnt try and do to much, he’s good enough to hit 330. or better if he doesnt go for the homer.
August 26th, 20094:50 pm
Thanks so much RHR!
August 26th, 20094:51 pm
Low-Budget Theater and DAP. The Legs comment was a general statement. I think we can agree that DH’ing is less taxing on the body than playing the field. I’m guessing that the 30 years of guys playing to much older levels at the DH position in the AL has shown this. I get that he doesn’t DH every inter league game. I think you get the point though.
Cs95, crazy Bobby won’t rest Chipper is beyond me too. LaRoche batting 7th is insane!
August 26th, 20094:53 pm
I agree with DOB I watched the replay also and I suppose reasonable people can come to differnt conclusions but IMO GA is out even if he doesn’t look to see what is taking place in the field. The cutoff man had the ball in hand as GA was rounding 3rd. MAybe,Jimmy Rollins scores from 1st on that but probably not anyone the Braves have unless we had Schafer and then it’s still not a sure thing.
I don’t think Chipper likes to DH. Some do and some don’t. It helps some to keep their head in the game and stay looser while playing the field.
I’ve gone through a half-jug of “Wet Ones” trying to eat and type. If that ain’t love of a team, what is!?
August 26th, 20094:55 pm
HAs anyone heard anything about Chipper’s dad coming to work with him on hitting. THat’s his hitting guru as most of you know. If not, that means that Chipper is playing hurt.
Shamus Thacker – See my 4:33 – You the man
August 26th, 20094:56 pm
fleming……….when you lose games early in the season, you have time to “make up for the losses” (you know, by playing better and elevating the level of your play).
However when teams are close and battling for a spot in the playoffs, the losses this time of year are more magnified because there are “less games” left to make up ground.
Also, managers manage differently in the early part of the season then they do late in the year when they are contending. The NBA is a classic example of that. A team may have a 10 man bench during most of the regular season. However as the playoffs are nearing and teams are battling each other, a lot of teams will “tighten up” their bench and play with only an 8 or even 7man rotation.
In baseball, in early May, a manager may stick with a starting pitcher who is trying to get out of a jam in the 7th inning………in August and September, he may give him a quicker hook, because they need that win.
So yes, a loss in August and September is WORSE than a loss in May. Pressure is an intangible that can be counted on to affect pennant races. Some teams crack under pressure while other teams elevate their level of play in crunch time. You cant tell me that the Mets didnt crack under pressure at the end of both 2007 and 2008. What were the differences between the last 17 games of 2007 and the first 17 games of 2007 for the Mets?
The Phillies, on the other hand, elevated their play in the last parts of both 2007 and 2008.
Just to be a picky SOB, the verb “play off” is two words. The noun and adjective forms are one word.
Shut up both of you! Just the thought of diagramming a sentence gave me a Martin Prado type headache.
fleming- there comes a time when the question is no longer between DH’ing and playing the field but is between DH’ing and not playing at all. You’d be surprised at how many guys suddenly take a liking to DH’ing at that stage of their careers.
August 26th, 20094:58 pm
TnBrian: “Cs95, crazy Bobby won’t rest Chipper is beyond me too. LaRoche batting 7th is insane!”
Youre right about that…thought maybe it was an error/typo….maybe so?? He should switch with GA (batting 5th)
Paul – using CAPS in blog-land is the equivalent of yelling. I really thought that was common knowledge – well, cheers – you know now.
Anders………..I’m sorry to disappoint you, but a “sense of urgency” will do your Mets no good this year. They simply dont have the talent to compete this year (all of it is on the DL).
The Braves have the ability to step up their level of play and play with a “sense of urgency”. The big question is will they?
August 26th, 20094:59 pm
Lentz – when you lose, you lose, early, late, there is no making it up, Just like lost time. nuff said, the rest is all blah, blah, blah
Props to keylargo! for bringing up grammar diagrammitization. It’s a topic we don’t see often enough here.
August 26th, 20095:02 pm
Some teams crack under pressure while other teams elevate their level of play in crunch time. (Mr. Lentz)
Mr. Lentz- So are you saying that the Braves cracked under pressure 13 out of the 14 years they went to the playoffs and fell short?
Your wondering pal,
I read Paul’s post … if they are non sport … I stop reading … baseball stuff … yes , he normally has very good points … if he is argue back and forth with someone … may read one or two, then stop because normally they are just repeats …. but overall he has good “Braves/Baseball ” posts
A lose is a lose is a lose. Believe me if you play the game and are competitive it hurts just as much to lose the first game as it does the middle or last, whether you are 10 games up or 10 games behind.
August 26th, 20095:03 pm
Having seen Vazquez melt like a stick of butter in pressure situations while he was with the White Sox, it isn’t surprising to me that he’s started to pitch poorly very recently…like against the Marlins in his last start. I fully expect him to continue wetting the bed for the rest of this season, or at least until the Braves are eliminated (if it comes to that).
submariner He had to know that Bell needed to get ahead. He’d just walked McCann! How hard is it?
What is this person talking about in that post? BMac hit a single off Bell last night…
Pete…your 4:42pm posting is a little confusing.
My point was that there was NO REASON for Garret to turn and look to see if the outfielder caught the ball when he rounded second. In that situation, he has to be looking at the 3rd base coach and running hard all the way. I saw the replay from the 3rd base dugout. Snitker was waving Anderson to come to third before he put the stop sign on once he got to third. In that replay, Garret was pretty much “loafing” between 1st and 3rd.
It is obvious that Garret cant run anymore. That is why Bobby should have pinch ran for him in the bottom of that 9th inning.
As far as Diaz bunting, I understand his logic for doing it. I see no problem with it. If he executes properly, it’s BALLGAME.
August 26th, 20095:04 pm
How about GA just sit his crippled ass out for the season and they bring up B.Jones. I don’t care what DOB or anyone says about Jones and his numbers in the minors right now, he can at least run good and doesn’t let bloops fall 2-3 ft in front of him. Also, from what I’ve seen of him he puts up good at bats. Besides, if Dipper hits like he should, GA isn’t so critical. If Dipper continues this BS, we aren’t going to the playoffs anyhow.
that should be loss
August 26th, 20095:05 pm
I’ve always thought that a loss is a loss is a loss, but I guess I don’t spell the word correctly.
August 26th, 20095:06 pm
once again the Braves have a let down in the first game of the series making game 2 and game 3 crucial to our playoff hopes. Anyone else getting tired of this pattern? I just hope Kawakami doesn’t mind the pressure because this has to be at least the 3rd time he is in the position of having to give us a huge game.
Mad props to you for correcting that before my snarky comment.
Quagmire- Maybe Ozzie Guillen knows of what he speaks. Just sayin.
August 26th, 20095:07 pm
Bay Area Steve
I normally don’t mess with Patron…It has me doing crazy mess…
For instance last night Chef T-Hawkin passed out while baking a pizza, Not Good!
August 26th, 20095:08 pm
monty………I’m not faulting Garret for not scoring on that hit. Given his condition, there is no way he scores.
What I have been saying is that if Bobby pinch runs for him, the runner scores on that hit. When you combine how slow Garret is, with the fact that he slowed down even more when he looked back at the right fielder while rounding second…………it isnt a stretch a pinch runner being close to home while Garret is just rounding into 3rd.
Crazy Trades McGee
B.F. Means B!+ch Fit
And You can bet your bottom dollar that I’m gonna have a B.F. tonight if the AWFense doesn’t show up again…
August 26th, 20095:09 pm
Whoops, sorry keylargo! I’m and idiot.
If Anyone thinks that Martin Prado AKA MP should be leading off followed by Matty-D hitting second, “Give Me A Hell Yeah!”
August 26th, 20095:10 pm
Tomahawkin (August 26th, 2009 3:18 pm): “Then After we lost I lost It and had a B.F. that I’m just recovering from…”
Ahhh, that’s sweet.
What’s your BoyFriend’s name? How long y’all been together?
August 26th, 20095:11 pm
David..(Athens, AL)………….I appreciate your props with your 5:02pm posting. I’ve been working on sticking just to baseball on here.
Paul Lentz: “Pete…your 4:42pm posting is a little confusing.
My point was that there was NO REASON for Garret to turn and look to see if the outfielder caught the ball when he rounded second.”
I thought thats what I said, especially because there were 2 outs. Youre not supposed to look no matter how many outs, but with 2 outs, it makes even less sense.
I also agree with the attempted bunt by Diaz because of where the infielders (right side) were playing. It was a reasonable strategy that unfortunately just didnt work cause he bunted too hard.
August 26th, 20095:12 pm
ANDERS or anyone:
If the word was on the street about SANTANA being damaged goods in the fall of ‘07 can the METS pursue retroactive compensation against MINNESOTA in any way?
August 26th, 20095:14 pm
Pete………if Bobby pinch runs for Garret, then perhaps it would not be a stretch to imagine a pinch runner like Javier Vazquez running faster and not looking back on that hit by LaRoche.
Factoring that in, I feel that Vazquez could have scored on that hit. However, we’ll never know because Bobby left Garret in the game.
August 26th, 20095:15 pm
What I can’t understand is why Garrett is hitting in front of LaRoche
Paul Lentz – I agree with you in regards to Bobby not pinch running for Anderson…the problem is that BLUNDER has no bench to use (which he did to himself). It would be nice to have Blanco, Brandon Jones, or even Brooks Conrad on the roster…guys those fine moves are paying off for our team.
August 26th, 20095:18 pm
richbrave- There is no word on the streets of NY about Santana being damaged goods. I know you believe that but honestly there hasn’t been an inkling of that in these parts. He has some normal chips in his elbow the same as he did back in 2004 I believe. They’ll clean it out and move on. He even said if the Mets were in the race he’d pitch through it.
That said I believe the Caveat Emptor rule applies in these trades.
August 26th, 20095:19 pm
newbravosfan – because, without an anchor, a ship might actually go somewhere
Folks, I’m telling you…Bobby’s act just doesn’t work any more. Hooray for all his championships, but the game has passed him by. We have too much talent on this team that we should score at least 3 runs every game…at least 3 runs! Bobby is not, and has not been, making sound decisions for the past 4 years. And folks, guess what…Chipper has been breaking down for the past 4 years, too. Where does it say we have to reward past performance with current compensation? Trade his sorry, broken-down, steroid-consumed, pious-a** to the AL so he can play every 4 or 5 days as the DL and actually contribute. The Braves have paid him extremely well for all these years. And, if any of you “kool-aid” drinkers for TP want proof, look what the Mets’ hitting coach has been able to accomplish with French. Memo to all: The Braves are not a retirement home for has-beens! Peace.
August 26th, 20095:23 pm
The Braves playoff chances in 2009, R.I.P.
August 26th, 20095:24 pm
So, no sweep…but we need to win tonight so that we have a chance at a series win… Oh, and think the Diaz choice for lead-off is very interesting.
Diaz must’ve impressed Bobby with that bunt attempt last night, so he’s trying him out at lead-off. :\
August 26th, 20095:25 pm
Paul, Im just speculating that Bobby didnt want to remove GA (after removing McCann) from a potentially extra inning game given his weak bench, and the fact GA was on 1st. However, Im again speculating that had GA advanced only to 2nd instead of 3rd on LaRoche’s hit, then Cox PR’s for him at that point. Ive watched many instances where a manager (not just Cox) will leave a runner on 1st and then if/when he does advance to 2nd, PR for him.
August 26th, 20095:27 pm
August 26th, 2009
Survey, how many blog denizens read Paul Lentz’s post, just curious
I tried to read one once…gave up and read a short story instead. It was War and Peace by the way.
Bobby Cox is destroying this team....
August 26th, 20095:28 pm
1) batting the only serious power threat you have in the 7th hole?
2) continued to play the likes of Frenchy/KJ over the much better Prado/Diaz
3) won’t rest the ailing Chipper against the lowly Pads(guy needs his baby rest for the upcoming Phillies series)
4) continues, and I do mean CONTINUES, to over use key guys in his pen when the game is pretty much in his teams hands or vise versa
5) Conrad is in AAA?? WAIT…. Conrad is in AAA and Greg FU**** Norton is still getting at bats on a MLB team in the thick of a playoff chase? That really explains this man’s insanity and absolute stubborness to change for the good od the Braves
Haha! Yeah, that’s it!
Too bad it doesn’t work out that when LaRoche hits two homers in a game Bobby get impressed and bats him cleanup…
August 26th, 20095:29 pm
Tomahawkin – Prado went 0 for 6 in the two hole last night. You want to add the preasure of being lead off before he’s even really back?
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