2:54 pm August 26, 2009, by David O'Brien
August 27th, 20091:26 pm
Wayne in Utah,
I don’t care whether they do or not.
Joe, DOB said I cracked him up. Don’t rain on my parade.
As an aside, aren’t you on a computer…like, right now?
August 27th, 20091:27 pm
I’m downloading a bunch of songs from the Tom Petty “Playback” box set from years ago. Man, you forget sometimes how many great tunes he’s had. So many songs that stick in your head.
Wayne in Utah
Like I said, did I say anything that wasn’t 100% true??? Party wise, I am fed up with all of them. Total attempt to manipulate the legal system in MA.
Steve from OH
August 27th, 20091:28 pm
How about play better defense, for starters? Give more than a .748 OPS from a premium offensive position? Is that good?
August 27th, 20091:29 pm
DOB–yeah, Tom Petty is great. A fine choice.
August 27th, 20091:30 pm
I just think it unfair for those who have been outed. Now, all are suspects. Even if the list is eventually known, I guess we can all still say that those NOT on the list were just smart enough to not get caught.
I guess it really doesn’t matter…
Nova Scotia Steve
Seen Tom Petty in Edmonton, Alberta…Amazing show…One of my all time favorite…along with Metallica!
I’d set the over/under at 4.5 – not 2.5 and I’d still take the over.
August 27th, 20091:31 pm
Tonites 7th inning stretch ‘Take Me Out To the Ballgame’ should be replaced by the Funeral March. I did hear the organ play it last nite but I’m not sure why!
August 27th, 20091:32 pm
“Don’t worry about my spelling, worry about your team. They can’t beat the phillies. That my friend is whats real. You have no team to root for come October. Sucks to be you NJBRAVES. hahaha. ”
Geez eatphillie, I can’t help but wonder aloud why you are bragging here on the blog of the 3rd place braves. Does it make you feel better? If we got no chance why are you even thinking about us? Do you brag on the Pirates blog too or better yet the Nats? If we are no threat I can’t figure out why you would be here.
Oh and for arguments sake the braves can beat the phillies as evidenced by our 8-4 record against you. You can argue we can’t beat the padres but the phillies we seem to be doing just fine against. Not to mention we get to play in your park this weekend so all this wall ball that Chipper and others have been playing at the ted should turn into some homers there. Now if D. Lowe doesn’t go in throwing batting practice again I say we got a good chance to win the series. Now go on over to a Cards or Rockies blog and start bragging. It would just make more sense at this point right?
August 27th, 20091:34 pm
ProScout, Chipper is fine. Is he an MVP candidate like he once was? Probably not. But he’s still one of the most valuable Braves. The only thing the Braves need/needed is/was more quality players. They upgraded a little bit too late this season (which I’m not blaming Wren for as there are some valid reasons why he had to wait).
August 27th, 20091:35 pm
I’m taking Music Appreciation this semester. During the first day of class, our professor took the roll and asked us to name the last song or piece of music we’d heard. Failing that, we were supposed to talk about what we were listening to. When he got to me, I mentioned the usual (Dylan/Zevon/Morrison/Metallica/Who/Zep), but when I got to Townes Van Zandt, his face lit up. He said, “I’m really stuck on one of his songs. I think it’s called Nothin’. He’s absolutely great. I can’t believe someone actually mentioned his name in my class. That’s a first.”
I think I’m getting an A.
Renegator & Cameron. I agree. It’s going to be brutal. The Phillies smell blood. And,they got a #6 that works!
August 27th, 20091:36 pm
Prado has looked bad since coming back. Wonder is the headache thing is consuming his mind instead of focusing on his at bats? Point,point,point is what people so when the team loses.
eatphilly, good to know that you’re thinking of our team with a 7 game lead. We’ll be sure to get back to you when those Phills don’t have a lineup full of 25 HR guys, then you’ll remember why it took 28 years to be relevant.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
August 27th, 20091:37 pm
DOB, from listening to the program Petty hosts on XM, it’s clear he understands and appreciates the roots of great rock music, too. The guy’s funny and a pleasure to listen to.
PWH, it’s not at all clear the 9th Circuit’s ruling will withstand an appeal. From a string of posts on this blog, run by some well-regarded constitutional law professors:
Am I right that the Ninth Circuit’s Fourth Amendment decision in United States v. Comprehensive Drug Testing has rendered every computer search warrant that has ever been obtained — and every offsite search — unconstitutional? I’ve been working in this area for over a decade, and I have never heard of a case that satisfies the Ninth Circuit’s new procedural standards.
A-Rod may be in the old folks home by the time the matter is settled.
August 27th, 20091:38 pm
Chop Chop, that’s what I’m taking too. Starts Monday and the only reason I’m taking Music App. is because my girlfriend said it was easy credits. We’ll see
McLouth, Diaz, Church, Schafer, Heyward. Sounds like a potential OF for 2010. Two big question marks, one legitimate good outfielders, and two potential 4th outfielders. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. Sounds like we need to add at least one bat for the outfield, but if we add too many, we might get crowded later in the year.
I like Jason Bay, but do we have enough $$ to sign him? I also like Scott Hairston of the A’s. He is probably available. Also, a guy like Mark Teahen would be a good utility corner guy (infield and outfield).
Teahen would also probably solve the Chipper back up issue and maybe he could back up first too.
I just don’t see Prado or KJ as our starting second-baseman at the end of 2010. Though I will hope that both excel.
So, what positiion do we try to fill with our trade of a starting pitcher??? Could we get a guy like JJ Hardy to play SS for Kawakami, and then deal Escobar for an outfielder?
Who becomes our closer for 2010. I am not sure we will be able to retain either of our guys for next season. Would Medlen get a crack at it?
August 27th, 20091:40 pm
Put a fork in ‘em. The Braves are & have been done all year. They have not been a factor in any race at any time this year. We’ll get ‘em next year!
P.S. JEFF FRANCOUER HAS JUST BEEN TRADED!!!
“yeller, i doubt that escobar runs much better than chipper.” DAP
Really? You don’t think that a 26 year old guy with only 3 big league years of “wear and tear” on his body and legs, runs better than a 37 year old veteran? Come on man.
Now, had you stated that you doubt Escobar runs better than Chipper did when he was 26, I might buy that. But that statement is just silly.
The A Bomb
Our attendance steadily decreased throughout the years we were still winning division titles. In theory, you are correct. But, that is tried and true.
August 27th, 20091:41 pm
Don’t trade Esco, Wayne. I think we should trade a pitcher straight up for a hitter, no three ways. I also think we’ll sign Soriano or Gonzalez, but almost certainly not both.
Agreed, Jay Dubu. All you need to know about the Braves is their veteran leader is complaining to the media about having to play every day during a pennant race.
Really not looking forward to Chipper’s “tired” act for 4 more years. Hang it up already if you don’t want to play.
August 27th, 20091:42 pm
Here’s a promotion that the Braves need to make happen.
Garret Anderson is basically giving the Braves what they probably expected when they signed him. They got him because he was a cheap option that wasn’t going to hurt them and, aside from not being on the field early in the season, he’s done as expected.
Here’s something I’m wondering about: If the Braves had ended up signing Griffey, would he be getting as much grief as Anderson has from a few fans? My guess is he probably would not.
N8, I think DAP might have held his breathe too long before typing that post, I’m actually a little worried about the little fella.
The A Bomb
August 27th, 20091:43 pm
Cameron – When a community and region “buy in” to a franchise it creates an atmosphere conducive to winning, assuming the talent is there.
For whatever reason, doesn’t matter, seems there’s no “buy in” with this team. Could be the economy, marketing — a number of reasons.
Community and regional “buy in” was a big part of 1991-92 in those races.
Curt Schilling for MA Senator??? Did I hear that correctly? WOW!
Mid Town Joe
August 27th, 20091:44 pm
Great Beatles program on VH1 last night, Anthology 1.
Cox need to rest Chipper for a few games. He is not producing. The Braves do not need to offer Cox a contract for next season. He did not have this team mentally ready to play. the season will be over a week from today.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR),
Thanks for that link. Great stuff.
August 27th, 20091:45 pm
I ’splain it like this. When the Braves play a great team,they usually play great. When they play a good team,they usually play gooder. And,when they play a worse team,9 out of 10 times they play worser! Go figure. Well,enjoyed it. See you tonite. I’m going to kick over and play bridge. Up heah in Nawth Fulton, Mr God’s trombones are makin’ noise. May get moist agin tonite!
Chipper say’s “he’s tired”! Someone mentioned earlier that Chipper “should be DL’D for two weeks”. I have a question? Don’t we win when Chipper is out of the line up?
August 27th, 20091:47 pm
Wayne, I agree that the Dems in Ma are being hypocrites. The point I was trying to make, with out really trying I admit, was this is a baseball board. I’m aware that people go off on completely unrelated topics and for the most part it amuses me. Not so with politics.
I love Escobar’s enthusiasm…….when he is enthusiastic. No doubt he is a real talent, that could have another 8-10 years of success in the bigs. But we are talking about him being a central piece of our future success. That scares me a bit. Can he be counted on to be a steadying influence on the team, and an important cog in the machine for years to come.
Sometimes it is smart to sell high.
August 27th, 20091:48 pm
N8 i stand by it. ive seen both guys run, and i think escobar is probably only slightly better. seriously. and age and wear and tear doesnt necessarily matter when it comes to running ability. i can find you tens of players that run better than yunel that are over 30.
August 27th, 20091:49 pm
Wayne in Utah, I’d have to look but I would guess teams have reached the playoffs with worse outfields than Church/Diaz, McLouth and what Heyward is likely to do. Obviously it may depend on the strength of the rest of the team but that’s a decent major league outfield.
Look at the Cardinals this year. Aside from Holliday, their outfield is nothing to write home about offensively.
I do agree though that there would be less margin for error and we wouldn’t have to hope for a big season from Heyward if they acquired another fairly big outfield (or firstbase) bat.
August 27th, 20091:50 pm
My pleasure. Should not have italicized the final sentence, however. (Didn’t finish the HTML coding.) That was my comment.
Sorry about that. But after one blogger was allowed to stay on after some of the exceptionally cruel statements he made, and nothing was done about it, I have decided that there is very little policing that can be done. So what the heck.
I try to refrain, but I don’t try as hard as I used to. Sorry if it offends.
August 27th, 20091:52 pm
Funny, but about the time of the Francoeur/Church trade, I saw a listing at Fangraphs (or some similar site) saying that Church was being paid like a fourth outfielder but delivering starting-quality production. I hope the Braves keep him for his versatility if nothing else.
for some reason the braves continue to bunt in the wrong situations. i’m only surprised that the call didn’t come from cox.
Wayne, all good points, but when I hear players and coaches (including Chipper and Bobby) saying that Esco is a year away from being one of the top two shortstops in the National League, I tend to err on the side of caution and hold to him. The question you have to ask, is “is what we would get in return going to justify the probably drop-off in production from the SS position. JJ Hardy would be a drop-off. Losing KK or Vazquez (who only effect a portion of the games in a season) for a power hitting outfielder would cause less drop-off, in my opinion.
August 27th, 20091:54 pm
why haven’t we either dropped chipper in the order or given the guy some serious time off? i love the guy, but right now he’s hurting the team batting 3rd.
wayne, the braves will have enough money to sign anyone they want to if they make it a priority.
my idea is to sign (or trade for) a decent offensive outfidler who can play all the positions. hairston, who you mentioned, fits into this. mike cameron, marlon byrd…maybe stretch it defensively if you can get abreu or dye, but this will give us a good defensive outfield with pretty good offense.
i dont think wren plans on schafer being on the team next year, and so getting one good outfielder is important to allow heyward to ease into his position in RF.
August 27th, 20091:55 pm
With the possibility of having Heyward stay down for a couple of months and with the uncertainty of Schafer, that is what concerns me. McLouth, Church and Diaz; then who would be the backup? Blanco?? Gorecki? BJones? I am not fond of going to battle with that configuration.
I just hope the Braves let the Spring decide who goes north, just like last spring. Though it ended up bad for Schafer, I suspect the injury had more to do with his failure than some might think.
August 27th, 20091:57 pm
I think on paper the Braves are a better team than the Rockies and Giants so why do they look so bad a times and find themselves falling out of the race? At some point you got to look at the coaching staff.
They also need to start playing with some energy, get excited when you tie a game in the ninth. You can see a rally building but half the players are still just sitting on the bench.
August 27th, 20091:59 pm
New blog’s up and the font’s REALLY BIG!
Depends on who you get for Escobar.
Let’s not say Dye or Abreu in the same sentence with good defense.
new Braves blog should be up
August 27th, 20092:00 pm
the font doesn’t look really big on my computer, just really smushed together. hm…
August 27th, 20092:01 pm
Chop Chop: Nothin’ is one of Townes’ finest songs, if it’s possible to even make a list of his finest. By that I mean, seems like about three-quarters of what he wrote is absolute genius stuff. Near the end, when he was really ravaged by his drug and alcohol, he faded in his brilliance. Only 52 when he kicked it. Shame.
NOTHIN’ by Townes Van Zandt
Hey mama, when you leave
Don’t leave a thing behind
I don’t want nothin’
I can’t use nothin’
Take care into the hall
And if you see my friends
Tell them I’m fine
Not using nothin’
Almost burned out my eyes
Threw my ears down to the floor
I didn’t see nothin’
I didn’t hear nothin’
I stood there like a block of stone
Knowin’ all I had to know
And nothin’ more
Man, that’s nothin’
As brothers our troubles are
Locked in each others arms
And you better pray
They never find you
Your back ain’t strong enough
For burdens doublefold
They’d crush you down
Down into nothin’
Being born is going blind
And buying down a thousand times
To echoes strung
On pure temptation
Sorrow and solitude
These are the precious things
And the only words
That are worth rememberin’
WOW. How many homes on that Kennedy compound? Think they have one for rent? A single wide would sure look good down a bit closer to the water. (a double wide is just showing off!)
Wayne, I’m not offended, I enjoy political debate with informed people. That said I do come here to get away from it. No harm, no foul.
August 27th, 20092:02 pm
I think we need to give Chipper a break…the guy is trying to help the team as much as he can…and he doing it by what he believes is the best for the team – being in the line-up – Even though yeah maybe he could use a couple days off –
This will be his “healthiest” he’s been for what 5 seasons – by number of games played.
He’s tired…He’s 37 and wore down…
Yes maybe he needs some time off…but he’s doing what he thinks is right…it’s maybe the worst slump of his career…he’ll come out of it…hopefully.
The timing is the awful part…but we’d all be on em no matter what time of year it is…May, June or July….because we become to expect so much from our life-time .309 switch hitting third basemen…
I’ll say that again…life-time .309 switch hitter
DOB: You’re comparing apples to oranges. You flat out didn’t know a damn thing about the Padres pitchers when you wrote your pre-series blog. Basically talked out your azzz….
Stick to music and your condescending ways, man. You are consistent with those.
August 27th, 20092:04 pm
In 83′ saw Neil Young at UGA Coliseum, the very next night Tom Petty at the Omni, 10-rows back.
Talking bout a one-two punch… The Neil show was the best concert I’ve ever attended. I know gripping is an unusual word to describe a concert, but that’s exactly what it was..
August 27th, 20092:05 pm
DAP and N8, I think Chipper and Escobar may be pretty close from all the evidence I can find. I think the data looks like it may slightly favor Escobar but it’s pretty close. Could be because Escobar isn’t as tall so Chipper can take fewer strides to get around the bases.
Chipper has 4 steals to Escobar’s 3. Chipper has 1 caught stealing to Escobar’s 3. Chipper has one more triple (2-1) and Escobar is slightly ahead in doubles (22-19). Escobar has 8 infield hits to Chipper’s 5. Escobar’s infield hit percentage is 4.5 to Chipper’s 3.4 (infield hits per groundballs). Chipper’s speed score is 3.7 to Escobar’s 3.1 (do a web search for info on that stat as it’s pretty complex).
But does any of this necessarily mean the Chipper is vastly more valuable than Escobar? I don’t think so. Escobar is still a very good to great hitter that is going to outperform most shortstops in the majors. And as each player ages, Escobar is going to outperform shortstops by a wider margin than Chipper outperforms thirdbasemen. Speed is a very small and sometimes overrated factor in baseball.
August 27th, 20092:08 pm
Long last drive for Teddy. I was 8 when JFK was assasinated. I remember the constant TV coverage and actually saw Lee Harvey Oswald get drilled by Jack Ruby on live TV.
Why does this stuff draw me to it?? Heck, I didn’t care too much for the guy or his politics when he was alive??? Can’t seem to turn off the tube today.
August 27th, 20092:17 pm
he will probably not get the grief for a bad month that KJ did for his bad two months. KJ actually had a bad April, a good May, and a REAL bad June.
See…no. KJ has proven to be a streaky hitter, not just in April and June of this season, but of every season he’s worn a Braves jersey. KJ is also a kid from Texas making millions, has a beautiful wife and is expecting his first child, and, as far as I know, his entire family is living comfortably in the good ol’ US of A. I’d say everything looks rosy in KJ land, slumps be damned.
Martin, on the other hand, is a first time starter making the league minimum. His entire family, as far as I know, is living in Venezuela. Most recently, his mom and brother returned there after their visas expired and, by all accounts, he is extremely worried about them. The stress of his family situation most likely contributed to the headaches and dizziness he suffered, which, most likely contributed to his decline in August.
So you’re right, I, for one, am not going to rip Marteeeeen for having an off month in the midst of all that. Everyone who has ever played the game has been thru slumps, most of them don’t have to have an excuse but in this case, I do think Martin is allowed to slump a little considering whats going on in his life.
August 27th, 20092:28 pm
I think that man in SC who won the power ball should buy up some land near the Kennedy compound, and put a single wide on it.
August 27th, 20092:35 pm
Shamus Thacker (August 27th, 2009 8:08 am): “Random: ‘ “Winning breeds ‘chemistry’. NOT vice versa.’
“THEN you say:
“ ‘ “ Chemistry” is a post facto rationalization, created from whole cloth solely to hang a story on. 50-50 hindsight. Mythology for the masses.
” ‘That’s all. Just hocus pocus.’
Random, can’t have it both ways. YOU sir, are and idiot!”
Ain’t no two ways there — just one way. Don’t discount the doubt-quotes I put around “chemistry”.
So-called “chemistry” results from winning — it follows winning, it comes after. That is “post”.
And it is “so-called” because it is in the eye of the beholder, it is subjective, it exists only in peoples minds. It is made up after the fact to make a pleasant story about the winners.
“Chemistry” is a made-up quality attributed to winners after they have won, not before.
Black Like Me
August 27th, 20092:52 pm
In reading this blog, I wonder if most of the bloggers on this blog are white conservatives who do not like minority players. The political rhetoric and the favoritism shown to white players with average abilities makes me wonder. No problem either way …just askin.
August 27th, 20093:31 pm
Wayne in Utah……..
.298 is an off month for a 2B?
with 10 RBI in 37 AB for the 1st 15 days of august before he was removed from the game on the 16th I believe?
August 27th, 20093:32 pm
How can you consider 10 RBI in half a month and off month for a 2B? and a .298 BA? hellooo
August 27th, 20093:38 pm
Wayne………..Im on the new blog
August 27th, 20097:18 pm
The Phillies are looking to put a hurting on Charlie Morton tonight. Already 1 run in, runners on 1st and 3rd, one out, Jason Werth up.
Morton looks like he is throwing junk.
May 6th, 201210:09 pm
Ich danke euch beiden h bshcen. Euer Foto ist schon der Hammer, aber die Karte die ihr mir geschickt habt toppt alles. Das ist die beste Karte die ich jemals bekommen habe.Vielen vielen Dank daf r.
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