8:59 pm August 24, 2009, by David O'Brien
August 25th, 200912:23 pm
Anders, I understand what you are saying about the Mets being in first for a lot of the previous three seasons. That’s a separate point, though, which doesn’t negate the fact that Minaya has done a poor job surrounding his stars with decent talent.
This season the key everyday players outside of the Big Three are the likes of Daniel Murphy, Sheffield and Tatis. Last season it was the likes of Tatis, Church, Schneider, and Easily. In 2007 it was the likes of Shawn Green, Paul LoDuca and a 40-year-old Moises Alou. In 2006 it was Jose Valentin and Endy Chavez.
Now I’m not saying there is anything wrong with most these players. What I am saying is I have a hard time believing the Mets couldn’t do better. Whether they finished 1 game out or 12 games out, with their resources they can do better than most of these players; particularly at the corner outfield positions.
Oh, and Rodney Derrick makes an excellent point. You learn much more by working somewhere in the journalism field than you will in j-school.
Marc in FL
August 25th, 200912:24 pm
Lol @ the Mets’ inability to sign a pitcher for big money that doesn’t stay on the DL. Those guys suck.
Nova Scotia Steve
DOB – I have to say this may be one of the best blog entries I’ve read…And I must point out not just because of the work put into the stats…but it’s just well written.
On another note I was reading this blog on my phone laying in bed last night and a couple of comments actually made me burst out laughing…
1 And Bobby Cox was second in the best manager category, behind Tony La Russa and ahead of Joe Torre. Talk amongst yourselves – I thought this was funny just because of all the – ahem – Bobby Cox “lovers” on this blog.
2. And this one was the killer – David O’Brien (August 25th, 2009
12:02 am) Hoho: Nice screen name –
August 25th, 200912:25 pm
Also DOB could check with fellow BBWA member Ben Shpigel, the Mets beat writer at the NY Times, regarding journalism at Emory as he is a more recent grad there.
Oh..so you’re going to pay out of state tuition? Your parents will be thrilled.
RHR — Ack, Ryan Seacrest! At least he dropped out long before he even got close to earning his degree at UGA.
August 25th, 200912:27 pm
Well, you can’t argue with the money Seacrest Out has made…I don’t care how annoying he is.
NO MORE BOBBY
August 25th, 200912:28 pm
130on2 – Actually DOB mentioned how good Smoltz did for the Cardinals a few days ago.
August 25th, 200912:32 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY–If you’re willing to stay in-state, Northwestern has an excellent j-school (though you probably are aware of that).
August 25th, 200912:33 pm
Oh..so you’re going to pay out of state tuition? Your parents will be thrilled.
[Jurrjens4NLCY Enters] (Looks up out of state tuition) (Faints)
What qualifies for “In State Tuition”?
Thank David DeJesus it’s game day!!!
I couldn’t believe what happened in that Rockies game last night…The Giants blew leads in three straight games in that series.
But the positive’s – We’re tied for second in the wild card now – and we have a game in hand on the Rockies…and this is a three day stretch where we can make up ground on either the Dodgers or Rockies.
I think we’re in good shape!!!
August 25th, 200912:34 pm
Oh I thought Ryan Seacrest was an alum?
August 25th, 200912:36 pm
Yeah I did. All this stuff sucks.
August 25th, 200912:37 pm
I think you have to be a resident of the state that the school is in for one year. I think…
August 25th, 200912:38 pm
Well, I was born in GA, in Cobb County Hospital (At least thats what it was called), lived in Powder Springs. Does that not count for ANYTHING?
Jurrjens4NLCY–If you can move to Georgia and keep your grades at a B average or above, you can qualify for HOPE scholarship. Free tuition is fantastic.
August 25th, 200912:41 pm
CLE – Hope is 1,000. How much is normal tuition in Georgia?
August 25th, 200912:42 pm
The Braves really need the Dodgers to take control of their division.
CLE – Oops I read the wrong thing…
August 25th, 200912:43 pm
The most important 13 games ever played start tonight. This stretch will determine whether or not the Braves have any shot at the postseason. In the middle of this stretch are 7 games with the Phils and the Marlins, gotta sweep em all! Now is the time for a huge winning streak. If they don’t win at least 10 of these next 13…….it’s over!
August 25th, 200912:44 pm
When I was at UGA I had HOPE and it covered all of my basic tuition expenses and tiny bit for books ($150, I think, which pays for one textbook). I did end up taking more credit hours than HOPE would cover, so I paid out-of-pocket my last semester of school, which at the time–about five years ago–was maybe $2,000.
That was weak Shaun
August 25th, 200912:45 pm
Care to post the numbers of those players during those seasons?
Or lose it all together, either one works as long as the Braves kept winning. Lets be honest, will anyone accept anything less than a sweep?
August 25th, 200912:47 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY– Check this link for UGA tuition info, it’s more up-to-date than what I mentioned: http://www.admissions.uga.edu/article/tuition_and_costs_of_attending.html .
And here is Georgia State’s tuition info: http://www.gsu.edu/es/27721.html
August 25th, 200912:48 pm
JJ4NLCY, here’s a link for determining tuition at Georgia State-
You have to admire the Rockies will to win. They definitely have that “team of destiny” thing going for them. I said yesterday that the Dogers would win the West based on their weak schedule down the stretch but I may take back what I said.
August 25th, 200912:49 pm
About $2,000 for one semester? That is really good. Housing is really cheap over there too right? 2,000 square ft. is like $250,000 in the suburbs here.
August 25th, 200912:50 pm
RE: If they don’t win at least 10 of these next 13…….it’s over!
I’m not so sure about this…this would mean we would have to sweep the Padres…and either sweep Philly or at least take 2/3…take 3/4 from the Marlins…and 2/3 from Houston…
That’s a pretty tall order…
I dunno I mean I hope it happens…But absolutely ANYTHING can happen in those Philly/Marlins games…they’re good teams…really good.
August 25th, 200912:53 pm
Person must prove residency in any other state or country has been abandoned
Like cut up my drivers license in front of them?
Just found and got thru the Blog. din’t spect one late on an off nite either! Don’t think Cantu is that bad. Marquis is just a ‘Legend In His Own Mind”. But there’s that one journeyman relief pitcher,hispanic guy. His face would make the ‘Nancy Hanks’ take a dirt road on a rainy night! Tomatoes at Schultz ids good!
August 25th, 200912:54 pm
CLE, Soph, and others,
Thank you all SO much. Im going to make my councilor proud thanks to “y’all”
August 25th, 200912:55 pm
lol or maybe just give them the license.
August 25th, 200912:56 pm
This just in…Brooks Conrad had found a cure for swine flu, and developed a car that runs on salt water. Next week I’ll bet he finds Nemo.
I agree with you we need a string of wins at some point and it defintely could be over if we don’t go 10-3 or 9-4. But it really depends on Colorado and the Dodgers too. I say we just need to get to within 2 1/2 -3 games of the WC by mid Sept. where the Rockies play some of their tougher opponents and we play the Nats and the Mets.
August 25th, 200912:57 pm
Don’t know what the housing is like at GA State, but my youngest sister is starting her first year there and is in a brand-new dorm and loves it. At UGA I managed to find apartments within walking distance to campus for around $300 a month. They weren’t fancy, but decent and in quiet neighborhoods.
Jurrjens4NLCY–”Like cut up my drivers license in front of them?” LOL!
That series agains Colorado, right before the break, is going to come back and bite them in the butt. They’re better off trying to real in the Phillies. With six games left in the searon against them, they need to strap one on and play like they want to win. Lowe better get his head out of his you know what!
August 25th, 20091:00 pm
Brooks Conrad played well when he got a chance here. I could care less what his minor league career stats are, no one is saying he’s going to be a future starter, but he did play well for us, and whose to say given another chance he couldn’t do it agains in the short term. I like the fact that he’s a switch hitting PH with more pop than Norton.
August 25th, 20091:01 pm
Yup, State just got new dorms closer to the campus. I heard they’re really nice. When I was there, students stayed at the old Olympic Village. I heard they were nice as well but of course you had to take Marta or a shuttle to school.
You’re welcome JJ4NLCY – good luck!
August 25th, 20091:02 pm
So does anyone know if Prado is playing today?
August 25th, 20091:03 pm
Ditto to Soph’s well-wishes, JJ. Happy to help.
Steve from OH
August 25th, 20091:06 pm
I’ll just assume you meant the OBP and SLG, Roman Gal.
Guys, I don’t think we’ll see the whole gang (Diory, Conrad, Sammons, Canizares, Jones, Blanco, Barton, JoJo, etc) called up for September. For one, Cox has never been one to want all those players around (they won’t really play) and two, if Gwinnett is in the playoffs in their inaugural season, I’m sure the Braves don’t want the M-Braves playing in it.
I’d guess Conrad and Sammons for sure though. Just saying that some of the players you think should come up won’t, and I’m really not looking forward to the “oh, why isn’t so-and-so up? He’d look soooo good pinch-hitting right here!” stuff we’re sure to see.
August 25th, 20091:07 pm
Soph/CLE, you know what I’m going to miss least? Ghetto Berwyn, IL… Berwyn is pronounced (Bur-Win) which is weird because no one ever wins. My neighbor has lived here his entire life and claims he has pride and loyalty to his town – No. You just don’t have any fcking ambitions!
I can’t wait!
August 25th, 20091:09 pm
Everyone knows the cavalry is coming on the first of September. Stop being negative and just accept that those call-ups will make all the difference in the world.
August 25th, 20091:10 pm
A little something on the statistical models. Do they account for a injuries? No they don’t. What model would have predicted that the first half Braves would perform like they have after July 28th? The numbers indicate two different ballclubs, and the Braves have been more than a little banged up in the process. Can the Braves catch up… look to the past for your answer. On July 9th, 1991, the Braves trailed the Dodgers by 9 1/2 games playing less than 500 ball(.494,39-40) while the Dodgers were playing at a .613 clip(49-31);looks a little like the first half Braves, doesn’t it? By July 17th (only 8 days) the Braves had cut the lead to 3 1/2 games, but after a few losses, they were again 6.5 games back on July 28th. But, in a span of thirteen days the Braves had fought back and found themselves 1 1/2 games in back of the Dodgers on August 11. The Braves went on to win eight out of their final 10 games of the season including winning an astounding 8 consecutive games during a tight pennant race. What model would of predicted this result?
August 25th, 20091:12 pm
JJ4NLCY – if it makes you feel better, they called my high school Ghettocreek (Meadowcreek). They still call it that.
August 25th, 20091:13 pm
i dont think the braves necessarily need to sweep the padres. if they win every series from here on out, they win 91 games, and have a good chance of winning the wild card. of course, sweeping the padres would be even better than just winning the series, but you get the point.
i also dont get on board with the whole “the next 13 games are the most important of the season”….well maybe NOW they are…but the braves have already had 120 important games this year. they are all important and all count. if the braves had played a little better then, they would have to play so well now.
its the same now as it was in april. win win win…every game counts.
August 25th, 20091:16 pm
Lol, I guess. My school finishes 579 of the 650 HS in Illinois….
August 25th, 20091:18 pm
LOL, DAP is right. That strech against the Yanks and BoSox was “The most important of the season” too…
civilized white trash
August 25th, 20091:19 pm
i know this has probably been hashed out and probably aint the time to bring it up but i am going to anyways
how about trading d lowe in the off season for some prospects and pickup huddy’s option
that would generate 3 mil plus anderson would be coming off the books so there is another 5 mil too and then offer some of that to roachy in a two year deal
August 25th, 20091:20 pm
@ Tomahawkin: Only 3 of Swisher’s homeruns have been at home. Do your homework.
August 25th, 20091:21 pm
I’m all for it but I doubt Lowe has any suitors… Especially with his contract
August 25th, 20091:22 pm
White Trash, who in their right mind would take Lowe off our hands with 3 years left on his contract? And you wont get many prospects for him and his contract either. Thats just wishful thinking there bud.
August 25th, 20091:28 pm
GO BRAVES…IF THEY CAN!!!!
August 25th, 20091:29 pm
oh no we’re starting this again? Other teams don’t want our garbage. A player falls out of your favor because of poor performance. And yet you expect every other GM to be fighting gladiator style for the rights to speak with the Braves about Lowe.
August 25th, 20091:33 pm
DOB, you hearing any rumblings about what the Braves will do with Hudson and the rest of the September rotation? I know these things have a way of working themselves out but, barring an injury, we either have a six-man rotation or someone’s going to the pen next Monday.
August 25th, 20091:34 pm
Hudson should go to the pen
August 25th, 20091:35 pm
August 25th, 20091:36 pm
RHR Well, you can’t argue with the money Seacrest Out has made.
Oh, don’t get me started…
August 25th, 20091:37 pm
August 25th, 20091:39 pm
we picked up the white sox trash and it has worked out pretty good for us this year.
my idea of getting rid of d lowe was more cause his contract was so hugenot do to the fact he has under preformed, might be wishful thinking to shed the money, but starting pitching is always needed.
August 25th, 20091:41 pm
BaseballReference.com. You’ll see that those players were all around or under a 100 OPS+ (basically league average)…and a lot of those players were corner outfielders which means league-average production or worse doesn’t cut it.
August 25th, 20091:44 pm
Well yeah, it’d be great if we could get rid of Lowe’s contract. I just don’t see it happening.
August 25th, 20091:45 pm
I just don’t understand wanting to all of the sudden trade Lowe unless you weren’t in favor of the Braves signing him in the first place. He’s basically pitching how one would reasonably expect.
How’s Mclouth progressing? Isn’t his DL stint up here in a few more days? Given the ailments in the outfield of late, I suspect we’ll see Gorecki hang around the rest of the season. Who else are we thinking when rosters expand? Conrad (surely, he’s the savior on the blog), Canizares, Sammons, Blanco (meh)? How about bullpen arms? Carlyle, Nunez…?
August 25th, 20091:48 pm
Trust me, if you check Joe Torre’s record before he was hired to manage the “I’ll write a check for anybody you want” New York Yankees, he was a mediocre manager at best. This Dodgers team will fade more than likely, and next year won’t be much better. He’ll be gone the year after that. Again, check his record.
I guess Joe Sheehan thinks the way you do, PWH:
Steve (Ohio): Joe, what do you do to solve Atlanta’s excess of starting pitching (Jurrjens, Hanson, Lowe, Vazquez, Kawakami, Hudson) in the offseason?
Joe Sheehan: Jurrjens should be a trade candidate, an incredibly affordable starter whose actual value lags behind his perceived value. The Braves have to get better on the corners, and dealing Jurrjens while integrating Heyward would be huge steps in that direction.
August 25th, 20091:51 pm
A must read for all ESPN haters (and Tommy Hanson fans) – http://knoble.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/08/why_espn_sucks_2_the_sequel_fe.html
August 25th, 20091:53 pm
LOL I’m amused by Jurrjens4NLCY crash course in college expenses. You are just like my daughter – she has no idea how much anything costs.
Housing is really cheap over there too right? 2,000 square ft. is like $250,000 in the suburbs here.
So you’ll be buying a 2000 square foot house while you’re in college? LOL too cute. The dorms are around $6000 per semester …. an apartment shared with a few people is about the same.
August 25th, 20091:54 pm
Man, who on the AJC.com staff did Schafer piss off? That’s a lovely picture of him on the front page, eh?
August 25th, 20091:55 pm
But Joe is with me on the Tex trade:
Daniel (Cerritos, CA): Where would you rank the Teixeira/Mahay for Feliz/Harrison/Salty/Jones trade on a list of the worst trades of all-time? This is from the Braves’ perspective, obviously. You wouldn’t believe the agony I experienced watching Feliz blow hitters away with his 100 mph fastball in his Rangers debut.
Joe Sheehan: It’s not on there. Bad trades are bad trades the moment they happen–Bedard for a bunch of guys. The Braves deal was reasonable in the moment, if perhaps an overpay, and they were getting a great player in his prime for a pennant race and another season.
“You realize before all the injuries this year the Mets were in first place for about 95% of the previous three seasons? They also had the best record in the NL over that time I believe.”
…and they watched the playoffs on tv along with the Braves.
Schafer to have wrist surgery Monday. Story is on the Braves page. I’m at home without my laptop so this is not shaded, but it’s me.
August 25th, 20091:57 pm
So Schafer is done, huh? Not surprised. Hopefully it is only 3 months like they think so he can get some winter ball time in…
August 25th, 20091:58 pm
So you’ll be buying a 2000 square foot house while you’re in college? LOL too cute.
No, I’m just weighing up the markets. This is new for me, ok?
I’m all alone…….
August 25th, 20091:59 pm
Jurrjens – last year I was living in a 2 bedroom apartment in Athens for $580/month. There are several complexes with similar rates.
Couldn’t tell you about Atlanta living, though.
August 25th, 20092:00 pm
Well…it was $580 if you didn’t want electricity or cable.
August 25th, 20092:01 pm
Caught your retort. Weak, weak ANDERS. You can do better than that. You have done so in the past. Off your feed? Or is rooting for a N.Y. team sapping your brain cells?
August 25th, 20092:02 pm
Guess Sheehan thinks the $46MM+ for the rotation left after a Jurrjens trade is pocket-change, LOL. Nearly half a projected 2010 budget…I’d like to see the Braves upgrade at the corners, too, but you gotta pay those guys with something besides corn flakes.
August 25th, 20092:03 pm
Braves fans, I have a proposition for youse. I only make this offer because times are tough right now what with the HGH market drying up and prostitution being taken over by Britney Spears (she got it from Madonna). I will dispatch Tonya Harding’ ex Jeff Gillooly to the players’ parking lot in order to take out Greg Norton’s, Kelly Johnson’s, and Chipper Jones’ knees. I have instucted Jeff to just to swing in the general vicinity of Chipper’s knees as this should put him on the DL for the rest of the year. If we can get Derek Lowe out of the club house we will do him too. I just wish we still had Jeff Francoeur on the team because he would always chase Lowe outside(sorry). We can’t touch Bobby Cox because he is a made man what with his 14 division titles and one WS win. I will do this for $250 (Britney gets $50) and will give youse 24 hours to collect the money from amongst the bloggers. Again, sorry about the Lowe outside. Donny Corleone
How’s McLouth hammy coming along? I believe he’s due to come off the DL soon. Friday the 28th I think. Will he be ready to play?
August 25th, 20092:09 pm
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Haha! I should have figured as much.
Thanks! Or you could post them on photobucket.com…I’m not a member of Facebook, so I don’t think I’d be able to access them from there.
August 25th, 20092:10 pm
woo hoo unbanned…..THANK YOU DOB
Jurr – I would definitely recommend living in the dorms, especially since you won’t know anybody . My kid was wishing she lived on campus this year because they got the nice new dorms and it is a pain in the butt trying to take a bus or find parking on campus every day. When you live on campus you can walk to everything (some walks longer than others, of course) and never have to leave your house an hour before class starts (even though you live a less than 2 miles from campus) so you can catch a bus or drive around looking for a student zoned parking place.
anyone know the song that yunel escobar comes up to the plate by?.. dont know the name and want the ringtone..
August 25th, 20092:12 pm
Nova Scotia: Thanks for the kind words.
Tomahawk: I’ve given up trying to predict when McLouth will be ready and how long his hammy will hold up when he returns. They told him not to push it, so I think the first time he’s going to run and test it is today or tomorrow.
August 25th, 20092:13 pm
RHR – Definitely, I read that living on campus help a student engage in College life…
August 25th, 20092:14 pm
Esco’s Intro Music Link
That Sheet is Bumpin!
But I have to live in GA for 12 months to qualify for “In State” tuition. And I can’t afford out of state…
August 25th, 20092:17 pm
Wayne Wanting [Bobby] to manage differently won’t make it happen.
Haha! Ain’t it the truth.
Jurrjens4NLCY David Ross starts and hits 5 more homers than Mac would’ve, throw out 20% more runners
Oh, you are funny! Ha ha ha…
DAP and they are 7-2 over the last 9 games mccann hasnt played in
Wow…musta taken you a long time to find the last nine games that McCann hasn’t played in at all…
Doesn’t Escobar walk up to Gwen Stephine? Woo Woo, Wee Woo!
August 25th, 20092:19 pm
Oh, you are funny! Ha ha ha…
Don’t be hatin’
August 25th, 20092:22 pm
If Hudson returns from the DL on Sept. 2, is he eligible for the play off roster? (Playoffs? Playoffs? Are you kidding? PLAYOFFS? – J. Mora)
I do not understand the arcana of active rosters, DL, and playoff rosters.
August 25th, 20092:23 pm
Source says Wagner traded to Red Sox -
August 25th, 20092:25 pm
Boston used their move of the week to acquire Wagner from the Mets for 2 PTBN
August 25th, 20092:26 pm
Jurrjens is four years away from free agency. Vazquez and Hudson are free agents after 2010 and Kawakami is a free agent after 2011. And the Braves haven’t seen enough from any pitcher in the minors to suggest that they can arrive by 2011. Not even a college lefty like Minor. Yes, Jurrjens hasn’t posted the peripherals that are “ace quality”, but I really don’t think it make much sense for the Braves to trade him.
August 25th, 20092:28 pm
my absolute favorite comment on this blog is when someone writes “enter your comment here.”
i think there is such a thing as making too many moves. i heard kevin youkalis on mike and mike one morning basically saying that the team is struggling to find an identity. he said there have been so many players coming and going out of the clubhouse that the team has yet to really consider itself a team.
now add the wagner / paplebon tension to the bullpen and i can’t imagine they are going to come together any closer after this move.
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