3:16 pm August 19, 2009, by David O'Brien
August 19th, 20094:13 pm
Nova Scotia Steve 5. McFann – Cause I know she doesn’t like the clean-up spot
This may sound like a dumb idea
But how about giving Chipper Jones the Bonds treatment starting next year..meaning scheduling in a day off every 5th day or so. Maybe thatll help with the injuries and such? Thoughts?
August 19th, 20094:14 pm
DOB – have you tried the Taro flavored bubble tea yet?? Trust me – it’s awesome.
lol Nova Scotia Steve. Ok, so since Steve from OH is batting 9th, I’m assuming he’s the pitcher. And, since Paul Lentz is the pitching coach, he’ll be working very closely with Steve from OH.
jort, schafer did swing in bp last night and has made the road trip with AAA.
August 19th, 20094:15 pm
So what did we learn last night? Well, we learned that when Bobby Cox thinks a pitcher can get an inning-ending double-play grounder, he will wait … and wait … and wait a little longer for said pitcher to get that grounder.
Lowe is third on the team with a 56.3 groundball percentage (behind Boone Logan, Peter Moylan and…Luis Valdez?). Lowe is second in the Majors among qualifiers in groundball percentage. In the 4th inning, why wouldn’t you leave in your starter who has been one of the top two groundball pitchers in the majors to try to get a groundball to get out of the inning? I can understand if it’s the 7th or 8th or 9th or maybe even the 6th, but that’s aweful early to go to the ‘pen. I don’t think you can fault Cox. Like DOB said, when you’re dealing with a non-strikeout pitcher who gets a ton of grounders, sometimes it’s risky and sometimes he’s going to reward you with a double play ball.
BL- McCann looked like Robert Deniro in Bang The Drum Slowly on that pop up behind the plate last night. Yikes.
He’s gassed imo.Reminds me of many mid August times with Piazza. Too demanding a position to play a lot and be counted on for critical offense.That’s asking an awful lot of a guy.
August 19th, 20094:16 pm
Loaf batting 2nd, we’re done.
chris from md
August 19th, 20094:17 pm
Would it be fair to say that Vazquez is pitching the way we anticipated Lowe might and Lowe is pitching like the number three pitcher we thought Vazquez might be?
It seems that our brightest and best performances have come from folks who make the least (Escobar, Hanson, JJ, Prado) while Chipper and Lowe (two of our most high priced guys) have underperformed somewhat.
If Lowe rights himself, do you think Boston or the Yankees would be willing to take on his contract in the offseason?
Chris from MD
Nova Scotia Steve
August 19th, 20094:18 pm
Awweeee Garret “double play when I bat 2nd” Anderson
August 19th, 20094:19 pm
perhaps there’s a nice day-spa in flushing where McCann can spend the afternoon tomorrow . . .
Just look at that lineup. Bobby’s marbles have rolled to parts unknown…
Steve from OH
According to Beyond the Boxscore, our pitching staff ranks third in MLB in tERA, but 16th in wOBA. Of course, the latter would look better without 3 months’ worth of Francoeur, Schafer and KJ…
This club, as currently comprised, is pretty good folks.
August 19th, 20094:21 pm
chris from md, is Lowe really pitching much differently than how you thought he’d pitch. Again, the Braves didn’t sign Lowe to be great. They signed him to give them 200+ decent innings.
Steve- Haven’t you heard? ERA isn’t that important. Efrim said so.
I really don’t understand how Garret Anderson does this team any good batting 2nd? At least Adam has moved up to the 5th spot. Took him what 5 homers in 15 games to move up to the 5th spot?
Soph–no, Bobby’s Cox is a really new-age manager and bats the pitcher 8th. I’m just a light-hitting utility infielder…
Mixxo from Bonaire
August 19th, 20094:23 pm
Omar needs to get back to his pre-injury playing weight. Those extra lbs. he’s put on have affected his play IMO. Not the same kind of fire he had earlier.
Anders–you may want to re-read that.
August 19th, 20094:25 pm
dumb idea, that idea has been kicked aroun in the blogosphere at least since the end of the 2005 season. It looked (to some) like Wilson Betemit would be a more than adequate every 5th day type.
As it turned out, Betemit was traded that season (in July) on the same day that Chipper went down with an injury. The Braves got Willy Aybar in the trade, who ended up breaking his hand in his first game with the Braves.
anyway, I don’t think it’s a dumb idea; however, I think one of the Braves haven’t done it as that for the last few years, the team hasn’t had anyone to provide much protection to the rest of the line-up, other than Chipper, and also, it may be that the injuries he’s getting aren’t really that avoidable, and more time off may not actually help him avoide them. (I.e., he’ll still take batting practice, pinch-hit, etc.).
August 19th, 20094:26 pm
Looks like Kelly Johnson is deep in Bobby’s doghouse, he’s not even getting the start at 2nd against a righthanded pitcher when Prado’s not available.
Well its a good thing Omar Infante is healthy…Or we’d prolly have to DL Prado to make room for a call-up such as Conrad or Diory
August 19th, 20094:27 pm
Good to see Roche moving up, but I still can put together a better lineup than ole Cox…
And what ever happened to letting KJ play when he is hot?
August 19th, 20094:28 pm
You can always send down an extra pitcher to call up an extra bench guy and keep Prado active. If there is one pitching staff, that doesn’t need 12 pitchers, it’s this one.
August 19th, 20094:30 pm
yeah Logan would definitely been a send down option….
August 19th, 20094:31 pm
August 19th, 2009
Kelly Johnson's Ego
August 19th, 20094:32 pm
What does it take to get some playing time?
Good question. I expected him to do a little better than this. Not only was I hoping for 200 innings but also an E.R.A. below 4.00. I wouldn’t say he’s been a bust. Just a little bit disappointing.
August 19th, 20094:34 pm
Nova Scotia Steve -
Got that right. No way in HE** I want to see “no-hit” Diory up here for a while anyway.
August 19th, 20094:38 pm
Classic. Simply classic.
Anders, buddy…..pal…..you have your thoughts on what you think is important in baseball. You can think that way. I have mine. I like my world around me to make sense, so that’s why I will state that “ERA doesn’t tell the whole story”. You can mess around with that statement as much as you like, but that’s all I said.
August 19th, 20094:39 pm
Yes we were putrid last night
good to get that smell out
Now for some winning ball and getting back on track, we need this 2 of 3 from the mutts
August 19th, 20094:40 pm
This blog has officially lost it’s mind. Now people are complaining that KJ isn’t playing?? Really? The same KJ, who many here said was going to ruin the Braves offense when he returned? The line up is fine. Cox has limited options right now. It’s amazing how people will complain about everything.
Mixxo f B: Not the same kind of fire he had earlier.
That happens to players who co-mingle with this moribund bunch for a while… You could put out this team’s cumulative fire with a good beer-pizz. Escobar, Prado, Diaz, and Mac, are the only REAL fire on this team, among everyday players.. Bots round-out the unit.
August 19th, 20094:41 pm
Cox apologists…..You need to chill out bud. You’re gonna give yourself a heart attack…it’s only baseball. We all want the Bravos to do well, but you have some issues.
JJ is going to step up big tonight. We win easy.
August 19th, 20094:42 pm
Gosh, the negative press are out in force today
I will take Lowe with 6 great starts followed by a fiasco such as last night…. well maybe not as bad as last night,, but I will take Lowe at 5-0 followed by ONE shocker
we need to go 2 for 2 now and keep winning series
Rob from SC
Omar looks thick. I don’t know how it can be muscle since it is hard to lift with a broken wrist. DOB, is he heavier than usual.
Instead of saying the 2 words I’m thinking….I’ll just say….
The blouses can’t win again tonight, can they?
August 19th, 20094:43 pm
Know this may be a dumb statement…But anyone see what the Marlins are doing via the box score…10 hits in their last 14 straight ball-games.
Shaun…………great posting at 3:49pm. It’s insight like that that is rare on this blog.
Sure, Lowe is overpaid at $15 mil a season. However that does not mean that he is a bust. Frank Wren knew he would have to overpay to attract a healthy, innings eater like Derek Lowe. Derek Lowe has done what Frank Wren has expected of him. He helped stabilize the staff and has been a good mentor to Jair Jurrgens and Tommy Hanson. Plus I’m sure that both him and Javier Vazquez have been good to each other as well.
I’m not worried about him being overpaid. What would worry me is if he was a bust (you know, like Barry Zito is at $18 mil a season. The Giants arent getting anywhere close to $18 mil worth of production from him).
After the disaster that was last year’s starting rotation………I am pleased from what I’ve seen of Lowe. The fact that most on here cant see that is beside the point.
August 19th, 20094:45 pm
Lowe seemed to have a mid-30’s NL resurgence that without a doubt, gave many fans reason to hope that he would be better, or at least more consistently good than he has been so far this season.
Compared to the previous two years, his SO/BB ratio has gone down (near career lows), his SO/9 innings is down (at a career low), his walks/9 innings is up, his hits/9inning is up, his WHIP is up, he’s already allowed as many earned runs as he did all of last season.
Lowe has been great at times, but a little too often for the taste of some, he’s been quite bad. Clearly, ability is still there, but, the consistency is not.
I don’t think it would be too unrealistic to think that the Braves hoped for more out of Lowe than what they’ve gotten. Especially, when you consider how consistent he was for four years in LA (and those seasons were better than this one has been).
Nova Scotia Steve……..very amusing 4:11pm posting.
August 19th, 20094:46 pm
August 19th, 2009
Looks like Kelly Johnson is deep in Bobby’s doghouse, he’s not even getting the start at 2nd against a righthanded pitcher when Prado’s not available.
I don’t think it has anything to do with KJ being in the doghouse. I think it has a lot more to do with him being able to hit.
you just got the lentz seal of approval. print that out and take it to Dairy Queen for a free blizzard.
August 19th, 20094:48 pm
To Prado Doctors:
Please google “Ears Crystal” and you found out what wrong with him.
dogsbrekky………totally agree with your 4:42pm posting. However many on here cant see that.
August 19th, 20094:49 pm
A guy I knew back in college who DJ’d at the college radio station loved CCR because, in his words, “they never wrote a love song.” I guess “Sweet Hitchhiker” would be the closest thing and that’s not a “love” song, no?
And doesn’t John Fogerty resemble a young Harrison Ford in that photo, too?
August 19th, 20094:52 pm
I think you were the ones yesterday who predicted an easy sweep too. Some people never learn…
August 19th, 20094:53 pm
Anders Reminds me of many mid August times with Piazza.
Ya know, I feel bad enough as it is…you don’t hafta make me feel even worse…
brent a: shaun,
you just got the lentz seal of approval. print that out and take it to Dairy Queen for a free blizzard.”"
brent, didn’t you mean “take it to the dump for a free buzzard?”
August 19th, 20094:54 pm
After seeing our players time after time its a wonder some people still can’t spell the names. Its McLouth not McClouth, also people still spell the HOF pitcher Maddux as Maddox. Sorry to complain, I just wish people could spell players names after seeing them day after day or reading about them. When people see McLouth where do they see the McC in there? Now, Salty on the other hand is hard to spell since it is so long.
I really like blizzards!!!
August 19th, 20094:56 pm
trey – you forgot Vasquez, Andrew Jones, Jair Jurrgens, Mike Gonzales, I’m sure there are more…
See you bloggers later tonight. GO BRAVES!
Wayne in Utah
August 19th, 20094:58 pm
I guess we didn’t hit those numbers, huh? I guess I’ll keep my day job.
Are you saying that you do not require perfection in your starting pitcher??
Someone earlier stated (I don’t have the time nor the inclination to verify) that he had given up 3 or fewer ER’s in 20 of his 26 starts. I guess that’s 4 good, then one bad. Can you live with those odds.
Yeah, me too!
Kelly Johnson's Heart
Kelly – Skip, guess Im batting 8th today?
Bobby – Nope, got Infante in there tonight.
Kelly – Oh, I see. Well, you need a donut from the clubhouse?
Bobby – Yeah, get me 2 chocalate covered and tell Escky to turn down that rap music.
Kelly – You got it Skip.
Uh…I hate to be picky, but I just remembered…BMac only has one error in his last 7 games. Does have a PB, though…
August 19th, 20094:59 pm
When you arrived at Citi Field this afternoon, DOB, was Lowe still on the mound? Was Bobby still asleep in the dugout? Were Moylan, O’Flaherty and Gonzo all warming up in the bullpen?
Me thinks it’s time for a coaching change.
Mid Town Joe
August 19th, 20095:01 pm
Lowe couold reach more more low, he could join us here on the blog!
Brooklyn Braves Brawler
Nova Scotia Steve,
Very dissapointed you left me off of the Blog All-Star team. I am more Willie Harris type of blogger. Utility man if you will!
Dan Kolb's Mom
If we blow it again tonight, the blog may implode on itself. Need a solid offensive performance to get back on track. 8 strong innings from JJ wouldnt hurt either. And maybe bean Frenchy just for kicks.
August 19th, 20095:02 pm
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good point tray.
How about Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg or Jarrod Saltalamacchia?
Cox apologists…..You need to chill out bud. You’re gonna give yourself a heart attack…it’s only baseball. We all want the Bravos to do well, but you have some issues. —njbraves
I pretty much said the same thing to lentz recently before he was “banned”. I see he’s still here. Like a few others, i think they’re the same person.
August 19th, 20095:03 pm
Shamus Thacker’s 4:40 -
August 19th, 20095:04 pm
The Braves should have had double barrelled action in both their and Mets Bull-pen during that 4th inning yesterday.
Not to mention someone else down in the tunnel getting lose with the tension bands.
Sweet St. Jerome…
August 19th, 20095:05 pm
Agreed, the blog has personality disorders from time to time. I like KJ right where he is. Coming off the bench against tough lefties or righties out of the pen. The game Monday against Zona where he booted a Sunday hop is why I don’t want him out there playing defense.
“we are done. teams that do sh*t like that dont make the postseason. that was the sorriest inning of baseball i have seen from any team all year long.”
Well, back in 1992 we were cruising along with an 8-0 lead against the Cards, a non-playoff team incidentally managed by Joe Torre (who never took the Cards to the playoffs). We had one of our best starters on the mound, who was pitching absolutely brilliant. Without warning, the starter completely lost it, and we wound up losing the game. But we didn’t quit after the game; in fact, we made it all the way to the World Series, due to a valiant comeback in Game 7 of the NLCS that year. And who was that pitcher? The same pitcher who started that same Game 7 of the NLCS–John Smoltz.
I made it as the batting coach. Not sure I want to be anywhere near the pitching coach though. (wouldn’t mind a day with BC though)
August 19th, 20095:06 pm
Is it “Runs Batted In” or Run Batted Ins”?
The stat gods call them RBIs.
August 19th, 20095:09 pm
Wayne, our lotto numbers sucked worse than Lowe last night
But with Lowe we are getting exactly what he has always been, a slight head case who is consistently excellent followed by lows of such horrid proportions, it can be embarassing…
we are all forgetting our offense which can’t get out of it’s own way after the 5th inning…. we just kind of give up, regularly and that is a real shame…
still need 29 wins for the post season but that is getting skinny… I am going to count losses now instead, think we get only 14 more !
Brooklyn and njbraves
It’s obvious that Infante has come back a bit out of playing shape, and has not looked stellar at the bat or in the field yet. I suspect we might be a bit better with KJ playing at second for a few games here. He did come back hitting, then was sat down for a while.
Not that he is going to save the world, but neither has Infante or Prado as of late.
August 19th, 20095:12 pm
Wayne in Utah,
I just believe that I can contribute. I’m a professional hitter. Very Hal Morris and Buddy Biacalana with my skills
August 19th, 20095:13 pm
While I will never quit pulling for my Braves, I have never had a strong feeling that we would go deep into October. There is always a chance, but I am just not willing to bet the farm on it.
Too much inconsistency, topped off with a lousy start. But hey, stranger things have happened. Ask the 1969 Cub’s!
August 19th, 20095:14 pm
Hey, I’ll put in a good word for you w/ Bobby!
August 19th, 20095:15 pm
I’m surprised that I don’t know this with the number of games I’ve watched this year, but has Anderson batted 2nd this year? I don’t remember seeing that (hell i can’t remember where batted last night, but dont think it was 2nd!)….talk about the slowest 2 thru 5 in a lineup prob anywhere in the majors! Anderson, Chipper, Mac, LaRoche…..hope it works! but I really like Scott’s lineup better thats in this blog…McCann is doing nothing in the cleanup spot and Laroche has shown some decent pop since being here…
August 19th, 20095:16 pm
That sure was an uplifting read.
Wayne In Utah,
I’m a Prado guy, no question. KJ gives me the “willies” out in the field and I’d rather not give any team extra outs given our inability to put consistent runs on the board. KJ may need to be an OF full time next year. 1B is also an option for KJ. I like his heart and athleticism, he is just too streaky.
August 19th, 20095:20 pm
i think anderson batted second a few games ago
August 19th, 20095:21 pm
I’m sure there are more…
Well there’s Schaefer, Shafer, Shaffer, Shayfur, Hayward…
Wayne – yes I am the eternal optimist, but I would have sacked Bobby today if I owned the team and I do love the guy… but…. oh doesnt matter
but at this stage we are a marginal 50%+ team and by year’s end we need to be a +19-20 wins over 500
we need to hop on our bikes and peddle really fast if we are going to get there
And to anyone that says Cox is still a top notch manager in this game, just has not been watching the Braves this year…just one example is the piss poor mgt of the bullpen…I can recall A LOT of time this year in the 8th or 9th inning of a 4+ or even 5+ run game where the braves are comfortably up, he’s bringing in Gonzo, Moylan or Soriano…and then the next game or two in that same series, one of them is not available in a close game…just makes absolutely no sense…thats just one example….there are many more…don’t get me started on Norton! I’ve said this on these blogs a few times…I’ve been one of the biggest supporters of Cox, and truly think he is one of the best of all time, but the time has come for him to step down…and he HAS to step down…nobody is ever going to fire him
August 19th, 20095:23 pm
I’m glad Lowe is a Brave, and I think we have a very good starting rotation. Our relievers are ok and should get better, but we can be smarter in the way we utilize them. Our Braves can and should be much better next year; however, Frank Wren needs to make a couple of changes. First, get rid of TP…what a joke-even Frenchie learned to hit better and become more disciplined from the Met’s hitting coach. Next, let Cox (or make Cox) retire. He is THE PROBLEM. Who else would keep TP as hitting coach? Who esle would have Mr. .128Norton even in the majors? And, who else would continue to make bone-headed decisions that continue to cost us games? (I know many of you will disagree with these changes as you believe it is a birthright to stay a Brave, long after your skills have eroded.) Thanks Bobby, we have appreciated your loyalty…have a great retirement. Anyway, just my thoughts…peace.
Don’t dump this loss on Lowe. Bobby Cox left him beyond any rational point (and I believe Cox was responsible for much of the team’s 14 years success. Furthermore, I agree that Lowe is overpaid and not an ace, but is above average. However,when a pitcher pitches 3 scoreless innings and has a 2.91 ERA in his last five starts, but starts giving up hits to everyone after being hit in the hand, isn’t it time to pull him even if (by some miracle) you think all the hits were lucky. I would have pulled him quickly simply to avoid the risk of seriously further injuring his hand because that would be much worse than even losing the game. Besides Medlen has been consistently dropping his ERA and if he could last 4 innings that would have taken us to the eighth. Medlen needs to be used more in true long relief, if only to reduce the number of appearances of other bullpen members.
Garret’s 0-3 when batting 2nd
August 19th, 20095:24 pm
I didn’t make the cut on Nova Scotia Steve’s squad, but, my wrist is healing and I plan to type a lot of winter ball to get ready for next season. I think I can contribute to the big club, but I’ll play whereever NSS wants me and just try to be ready if he needs me.
Yeah, GA batted second on Sunday…and he was on first and couldn’t score when my mann hit a two-out double…cost ‘im an RBI…
Course, BMac’s cost himself a few RBI over this slump, so I guess I can’t get too up-in-arms about that one…
August 19th, 20095:25 pm
When hitters get basehits in between the infielders do they say they just got lucky? WHat if a linedrive falls in between outfielders? Do they say they got lucky? What would constitute a hit being just a normal hit or a lucky hit? Surely not that it rolled through an opening in the infield or fell perfectly equal distance from the outfielders. Is a batted ball that hits at the top of the wall and bounces back for a double “unlucky” and one that barely scrapes over the wall for a HR “lucky?” If it barely scrapes over the wall nobody that ever hit one of those said, “Boy I sure was lucky today.” What they might say is I got just enough of it” which is true but more than likely “I got all of that one.” And after all they did. Unlucky is just a term to console losing. To be sure bad breaks and good breaks happen in all sports, but to call a 10 hit 8 run inning just bad luck is a way to console the losers. After all if it truly was luck or a lack therof then it’s nobody’s fault, right? WHy can’t BC just say I made a mistake I should have gotten him earlier? I can respect a man owning up to a mistake but when people call it just bad luck, I can’t.
“Offense should have stepped it up when they saw Lowe didn’t have his stuff.”
You act as if the offense should have held a secret meeting and someone (say McCAnn), says, “OK fellas Lowe doesn’t have his real good stuff tonight so lets score more runs than we were planning on scoring or “let’s really try hard versus taking it easy on them.” I don’t know how much sports you’ve ever played but when something takes that drastic of a turn like what happend in the 4th inning and you have the momentum and in an instant, they get it back, it’s really hard to over come that. The pendulum swing is just too great. WHAt happened in the 4th inning last night is the equivalent of being up 14 points at the half of a football game and the opposing team comes back in the 3rd quarter with 28 unanswered points on maybe a returned interception, a kick off return for a TD and an 80 yard bomb for a TD. Most teams just can’t snap their fingers and get “ole Mo” back, no matter how hard they try.
jer – You’re a little late to the finish line, but way to hustle in.
August 19th, 20095:27 pm
I kinda liked what Torre did in LA
Here’s the scuttlebutt on Bobby….once and for all.
He will NOT be fired and he will NOT step down. That’s the way it is and the way it’s gonna be for years to come. Get over it folks.
August 19th, 20095:29 pm
Bobby isn’t responsible for most of the crap he gets on here, but when he does screw up, he sure likes to make ‘em gems, doesn’t he?
McFann, good memory. After GA didn’t score, Joe morgan specifically mentioned a key differnce between the Braves and Phillies being “team speed”.
August 19th, 20095:31 pm
Mixxo…I would be so sure. Things change
August 19th, 20095:32 pm
I left the blog the other night when I read DOB state that Paul Lentz would be banned from the blog. I have not been able to read the last few nights because of my wife’s illness. Why is he still here?
Mixxo, I WOULDN’T be so sure…sorry for the typo.
Because I was left off MSS list as well, I have decided to be the owner of the blog team..
1. The team spy = Anders
2. Paul Lentz (can’t be any slower than Loaf)
3. ncscoots – switch hitter with power
4. bubdylan = anyone that funny could out hit B Mac at cleanup
5. McFann = jus because
6. Dobi One Knobi cause someone has to bring the BBQ and music
7. dogsbrekky cause I am te owner and a player and the starting pitcher and can “rake” in my dreams
8. Kelly Johnson so I have someone t yell at for effing up basic groundballs
9. Lew cause there has to be some big bat on the team somewhere
Manager = monty cause he has intellect
August 19th, 20095:34 pm
Thanks…heck, I only remembered ’cause it involved BMac. ( JK)
Oh man, but if Morgan would have pointed out “the difference between that Braves and the Fillies” one more time, I was gonna jump through the TV and punch him in the brain…He had to tell us the difference between their cleanups hitters, too. I’m like, “Thanks, Morgan…shut up.”
Ha! But I did love how Jon Miller, during BMac’s first AB, said something to the effect of, “McCann hasn’t hit lefties very well this year…of course, he hasn’t hit much off anybody lately…”
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