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NotUGA
August 16th, 2009
8:57 pm
Meant to say I just couldn’t resist…bring on the Georgia grad jokes
Isn’t that enough of a joke on it’s own?
CrimeDog
August 16th, 2009
8:57 pm
Grounds crew on the field pushing water off the tarp.
Vinings Jim
August 16th, 2009
8:58 pm
Hey, there are places ten miles west of here that call themselves Vinings – and I only became Vinings because of a certain someone who hated spelling Smyrna
Steve from OH
August 16th, 2009
8:58 pm
Paul–I know. I f#cking know. Jesus H. Christ. You do NOT need to explain it to me over and over like I’m some sort of 4th grader. I’ve been making that argument for how long? Give it a f#cking rest man. You are NOT the be all and end all of baseball knowledge on here. No one is.
Sheesh…
bravesgrl4life
August 16th, 2009
8:58 pm
Well, Braves fans, looks like this is gonna be a late one. I’m off to lala land. Here’s hoping our boys kick the Phillies in the teeth tonight/in the morning/whenever we get to play this game. Have a good night, all. GO BRAVES!
RHR
August 16th, 2009
8:58 pm
Yeah CrimeDog, I can’t help that my kid goes there. I went to UGA too….and Alabama…and a community college….and even some LSU thrown in for .. measure.
CrimeDog
August 16th, 2009
8:58 pm
NotUGA-
Not really. I’ve heard grads of other schools make typos every once in a while. Except Georgia Tech. Their intellect knows no bounds.
CrimeDog
August 16th, 2009
8:59 pm
RHR-
Quite a tour of the SEC there. Who tailgates the best?
Vinings Jim
August 16th, 2009
8:59 pm
Lauren T – I am contemplating another name change in the next few months – I just have to choose wisely…
Frankie Knuckles
August 16th, 2009
9:00 pm
I quit meteorology school early but it appears the rain may be dissipating.
- Brought to you by the radar on Weather Underground.
Cloud Strife
August 16th, 2009
9:00 pm
It’s raining at 755 Hank Aaron Drive, which is strangely close to Turner Field.
Steve from OH
August 16th, 2009
9:00 pm
And I don’t like acquiring basestealers in lieu of hitters from big power positions like LF, RF, 1B, 3B. Let your middle infielders and CFers be good basestealers, because more often than not they’re going to be average-ish hitters and plus defenders, so that extra ability they bring on the basepaths becomes much larger. But often, from say a LF, you’re sacrificing power for stolen base ability, and that’s a no-no in my book.
chilidog75
August 16th, 2009
9:01 pm
Is John Miller having a stroke?
Spit it out, man. Geez. What in the world did he just say?
NotUGA
August 16th, 2009
9:01 pm
Amen CrimeDog (even though I am a GT man)! Some of my fellow alums can be overbearing to say the least.
jeffrey d
August 16th, 2009
9:01 pm
Ain’t nothing wrong with a UGA grad.
So you’re hoping to get first pitch in by 8:30, eh ESPN?
gerund
August 16th, 2009
9:03 pm
People at Georgia Tech don’t mispell words because they’re too busy never getting laid.
McFann :Ô:
August 16th, 2009
9:03 pm
jeffrey d So you’re hoping to get first pitch in by 8:30, eh ESPN?
Now, be fair. They said 8:45…
Jeff321
August 16th, 2009
9:04 pm
Hmmm. Now Miller says 10pm for the earliest start time.
jeffrey d
August 16th, 2009
9:04 pm
Well, at least ESPN isn’t doing play-by-play of the grounds crew as their rain delay programming.
Jimmy Joe
August 16th, 2009
9:04 pm
There seems to have been a lot of talk about how good this player and that player is, and whether or not to bring up Heyward. Simple question for all here:
Does this team have enough pieces currently in the major league roster and minor league system to win a World Series?
I’m asking this based on the lack of anything other than Heyward coming through the system that has impact talent. Don’t give me Schafer or Freeman. Those two might be average players, but they aren’t elite talents like Heyward.
So the real question is, can Jones, McCann, Escobar, McLouth, Heyward, Hanson, Jurrjens, Lowe, Vasquez, Hudson win a World Series this year or next? I don’t want to talk about anything that is in 2011 because that is too far away. With Chipper and Lowe getting older and Hudson and Vasquez free agents after 2010, that’s when things will spiral downward for this team.
braveman
August 16th, 2009
9:04 pm
miller saying that it could be 10 o’clock??? or not at all?
that just sucks…but then again, he may have no clue what he is talking about.
Jaglawyer
August 16th, 2009
9:04 pm
Great, Jon Miller and Joe Morgan aka Dumb and Dumber calling the game tonight. I keep waiting for Seabass (Steve Phillips) to enter the booth.
Damn I miss the good ol’ TBS days with Skip, Pete and the gang.
Tomahawkin
August 16th, 2009
9:04 pm
Around 10PM starting time, R U kidding Me…?
Thanks BSPN!
McFann :Ô:
August 16th, 2009
9:05 pm
TEN PM?? Are you freaking KIDDING ME??
Now I really wish Ross was playing…
Jay
August 16th, 2009
9:05 pm
You should be careful using computer during thunderstorm if it’s storming in your area lol. Lightning can even be dangerous right before and right after storm
NotUGA
August 16th, 2009
9:05 pm
gerund
August 16th, 2009
9:03 pm
People at Georgia Tech don’t mispell words because they’re too busy never getting laid.
Save the ignorance for Paul Lentz please.
Supes
August 16th, 2009
9:05 pm
What sucks is that the conditions were just fine during the day. If this was a “regular” sunday afternoon game, it would have been played and the Braves would have been well rested for tomorrow’s make up game at 4pm against the D’Backs.
Fraking ESPN sunday night baseball start time.
wow
August 16th, 2009
9:06 pm
I hope we can get this game in.
McFann :Ô:
August 16th, 2009
9:06 pm
They coulda played this game this afternoon…No, they had to switch it to 8 so ESPN could be near the Fillies…
I really can’t stand that channel
sometimes.gerund
August 16th, 2009
9:07 pm
People at Georgia don’t get laid because they’re too busy mispelling words.
jeffrey d
August 16th, 2009
9:07 pm
Looks like we’re gonna have another blog slumber party! And I thought since we were done on the west coast we were done with those.
RHR
August 16th, 2009
9:07 pm
Crimedog-
Tough call….my heart wants to say UGA but if I’m being honest….Bama is right there with them.
LSU isn’t in the conversation because we were at the Shreveport campus lol.
CaliChopper
August 16th, 2009
9:08 pm
OK can JMIller say anything in a not confusing way?
Paul Lentz
August 16th, 2009
9:09 pm
NORRIS……….it’s better that Heyward isnt eligible for salary arbitration until after the 2013 season….whereas he would be eligible for arbitration after the 2012 season if the Braves were to either call him up now, or have him on the opening day roster of 2010.
Look at Yunel Escobar for example. In 2007, he made the pro-rated portion of the ML minimum (he was called up mid-season). In 2008, he made 402K. This year he is making $460K. Next year, he will likely be renewed at around $500K. If Escobar was eligible for arbitration after this season, there is no reason to believe that he couldnt get $4 mil through arbitration (after all, Jeff Francoeur “settled” for $3.375K this past winter).
Jair Jurrgens, same thing. He’ll get renewed for around $500K before next year. He could easily get $4 mil in arbitration next year.
The Braves will be paying 2 of their best players a combined $1 mil to play next year. If they were eligible for arbitration, they could easily get a combined $8 mil. You are talking about a difference between $7 mil. $7 mil less that could go towards improving the team.
If Jason Heyward is as good as advertised, then the Braves would save SO MUCH MONEY by delaying his arbitration clock. Also, it delays his eligibility for free agency by a year as well if the Braves wait until June of 2010 to call him up.
You may not like the economics of the game, however ignoring it is not going to make it go away.
Interested Observer
August 16th, 2009
9:09 pm
Maybe the Braves can play a double header tomorrow..one against the Phils and one against the DBacks.
God
August 16th, 2009
9:10 pm
Now you all understand how I feel about baseball.
And the Braves.
Suckers.
CrimeDog
August 16th, 2009
9:10 pm
RHR-
Haha fair enough. I’ve been to games at Tennessee, LSU, Auburn, Vandy and South Carolina, but I only really got to tailgate at South Carolina. Georgia, obviously, is much better than tailagating in Columbia. Can’t speak for the rest of them though.
Scotty doo
August 16th, 2009
9:10 pm
FIRE DOB!
bigleaguechew
August 16th, 2009
9:11 pm
Interested Observer: Mark already smashed my dreams of that happening -_-’
David O'Brien
August 16th, 2009
9:11 pm
Tarp’s off the field, 9:45 estimated start
Jimmy Joe
August 16th, 2009
9:12 pm
this is the reason we aren’t better suited to win it all past next year:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/the-rangers-win-the-teixeira-trade/
Heath
August 16th, 2009
9:12 pm
There is another series in ATL between the two teams…why start at 10pm east coast time?… especially if ATL has another game tomorrow afternoon. Can the Braves call the league to try to push to postpone the game?
Paul Lentz
August 16th, 2009
9:12 pm
Steve from OH………then why do you keep saying that the Braves should call up Heyward if McLouth has to go on the DL? Why bring up the fact that Heyward is better than Brandon Jones?
We all know that Heyward is better than Brandon Jones.
If you feel that the Braves should wait on calling up Heyward because of the service time deal………then why post that the Braves should call him up if McLouth is injured?
18 Wheels of Love
August 16th, 2009
9:12 pm
Gotta switch from beer to coffee!
Nova Scotia Steve
August 16th, 2009
9:13 pm
Hey folks!
McFann :Ô:
August 16th, 2009
9:14 pm
9:45…that’s not so bad…
Soph
August 16th, 2009
9:14 pm
Wait, wha? 9:45-10pm? They’re gonna be playing till 1am!
nolie
August 16th, 2009
9:14 pm
nolie, we totally disagree if you think it’s a maybe when considering position value, contract status, and age. Absolutely a Top-50 player. (EFRIM)
I always respect your position on young players, but OK, we can disagree, I’ll even still respect you in the morning.
Around 50 Ok I guess, near 15 Nope. not even close.I’d prefer that degree of positional value in some position other than catcher. add that to mediocre D and well…
Steve from OH
August 16th, 2009
9:15 pm
No no no Paul, wrong again. So besides being a complete idiot, your reading comprehension is nonexistant too, huh?
Boy, you never disappoint.
braves4ever
August 16th, 2009
9:15 pm
Hey Nova, welcome to rain delay
McFann :Ô:
August 16th, 2009
9:15 pm
That first post at 9:10 was in bad taste, IMHO…
Jeremiah Gothwald
August 16th, 2009
9:15 pm
Thanks to this delay, I’m running out of beer. Got to run out and buy more!
Oh wait, it’s Sunday in Georgia…
Mixxo
August 16th, 2009
9:15 pm
Nova Scotia Steve
HIYA!
Paul Lentz
August 16th, 2009
9:16 pm
It sure is nice to live on the West Coast. It’s only 6:15pm out here. Dont have to worry about staying up too late.
David O'Brien
August 16th, 2009
9:16 pm
Heath, it doesn’t work that way (Braves can’t ask league to postpone game rather than start late).
nolie
August 16th, 2009
9:16 pm
Translation: Cox doesn’t care about playing the division leader with a short bench. Makes ya wonder if he really wants to win or not, no? (JEFF321)
still and idiot I see
McFann :Ô:
August 16th, 2009
9:16 pm
nolie–
How do you feel about BMac’s defense?
No wait…DON’T ANSWER THAT…
Jake W.
August 16th, 2009
9:17 pm
“There is another series in ATL between the two teams…why start at 10pm east coast time?… especially if ATL has another game tomorrow afternoon. Can the Braves call the league to try to push to postpone the game?”
You try to stay away from doubleheaders if you have to. They do a number on your bullpen first of all and the way Atlanta has been with rain delays this year its a good chance we will probably be in for more.
Jimmy Joe
August 16th, 2009
9:17 pm
LF- McLouth
CF – Schafer
RF – Heyward
1B – LaRoche or someone similar
2b – Johnson or Prado
SS – Yuni
3B – Jones
C – McCann
That isn’t a winning lineup. This team needs one more bat, even with Heyward next year. What’s sad about this situation is that they are in one of those positions where they should trade Freeman, Schafer and like two other pitchers in a big move for a bat, but they would be stupid to do so because they haven’t come close to making the playoffs recently and the Phillies have 5 or 6 really good players in their prime.
Cheese
August 16th, 2009
9:17 pm
Vanderbilt is the BEST place in the SEC to tailgate…I mean where else can you go and still feel like you the home team in conference…this coming from a vandy alum
Steve from OH
August 16th, 2009
9:17 pm
McFann–are you really surprised anymore? Between the idiots and the uncouth (the latter being Paul Lentz), the blog really has left a lot to be desired in that area…
I’ll admit I contribute to a bit of that…
Ryan
August 16th, 2009
9:17 pm
thanks dob…..settle in for a long night mates!!!!!!
McFann :Ô:
August 16th, 2009
9:17 pm
Paul L–
Well LA-de-da for you…
Hey, NS Steve!
Gwinnett Fred
August 16th, 2009
9:18 pm
My concern is that the start, go a couple innings, then more rain and basically we would lose a Vazquez start!
braves4ever
August 16th, 2009
9:19 pm
I said it before , The only reason Heyward will be up is,someone has to go down and he must keep tearing it up. Wren will not pull the trigger unless we have that combo. But he didn’t ask me or he would be packing.
Ryan
August 16th, 2009
9:19 pm
Soph,
Just treat it like a world series game with this start time.lol.
McFann :Ô:
August 16th, 2009
9:19 pm
Steve from OH–
If you’re referring to that 9:10 post…no, not surprised much at all…
You don’t contribute half as much as most of us.
Paul Lentz
August 16th, 2009
9:20 pm
Steve from OH………you might want to re-read your 8:39pm posting. You said the following:
“but an argument can be made that Heyward helps us more than Jones. Jones is the only one I’d consider calling up over Heyward, but they’re pretty much the same player–except that Heyward does everything Jones does, but better. Heyward plays better defense than Jones and is certainly hitting better.
It is a stretch, I know, to say that bringing up Heyward even with a McLouth injury is the right move, but I really can’t say that bringing up Blanco or Barton instead gives me a fuzzy feeling.”
Those are your words, not mine.
Gwinnett Fred
August 16th, 2009
9:20 pm
Forget the league – since they come back in and the first pitch hasn’t been thrown, the decision to play is with the Braves executives – not the umpires or the league.
Jeff321
August 16th, 2009
9:20 pm
still and idiot I see
Nolie – Nice of you to chime in! Only problem is, you didn’t comment on the original posting other than to throw insults around..
David O'Brien
August 16th, 2009
9:20 pm
Interested Observer: The Phillies come back here in September. They’re not going to be forced to give up their off day tomorrow to stay and play in Atlanta when they come back for another series next month and a DH could be played then.
It’s moot now anyway, since they’re playing tonight, provided no further severe rain.
DP
August 16th, 2009
9:20 pm
No Dentz, it wouldn’t necessarily be an unwise move economically to hold Heyward back until June, 2010. You have no idea how to analyze the situation, because if you did you’d factor in what the Braves will have to pay a right fielder (or platoon) for all of 2010 while they’re waiting to bring Heyward up at midseason. The Braves would save $2.5 million less Heyward’s rookie salary versus what he’d make in the minors if they let GA leave after the season, plugged Heyward in right and moved the Church/Diaz platoon to left. I think the odds are good that Heyward could do at least as well as GA’s .311 OBP with better power numbers and much better defense. The $2 million or so saved on next year’s payroll by that move is a financial offset to moving Heyward’s salary escalation forward one year.
But as you have demonstrated with your inane Francouer versus McCann babbling, you don’t understand a very basic financial concept, the time value of money.
Whether working out all the numbers said it was a financial push or it cost the Braves a net present value of $3 million based on the next 5 years is all but immaterial when you’re paying over $10 million a year to older players like Chipper Jones, Derek Lowe, Tim Hudson and Javier Vasquez. A competent management doesn’t invest all that money in getting a team to the brink and risk missing the window of opportunity to win by holding back a potential difference maker over relatively minor financial considerations.
The only relevant question on Heyward for Braves management should be whether he’s ready to play at the major league level or not, either now or by opening day 2010.
dogsbrekky
August 16th, 2009
9:21 pm
some drongo actually put chipper at nos 8 in the linep or is that B Jones
CrimeDog
August 16th, 2009
9:21 pm
Cheese-
Very true, haha. I remember during the game, they kept showing replays of Georgia’s good plays. Certainly the most polite fans in the SEC.
Frankie Knuckles
August 16th, 2009
9:21 pm
Told you folks about the dissipation. I take full credit for this act of nature.
Gwinnett Fred
August 16th, 2009
9:21 pm
So despite only 3,500 staying around for the game (nice PR move on a school night) – they sold 35,000 tickets – so the Braves would never postpone this game barring a horrible forcast.
Steve from OH
August 16th, 2009
9:22 pm
Like I said, your reading comprehension=bad.
You don’t understand that one can present an argument as to why a move may be the correct one but still disagree with it on other (hint: financial) grounds?
Your and idiot.
Heath
August 16th, 2009
9:22 pm
DOB -
I didn’t really think that they had the power…but, what time is too late to start?
Rob from SC
August 16th, 2009
9:24 pm
Is Prado Ok?
Nova Scotia Steve
August 16th, 2009
9:24 pm
We gunna play some ball tonight or what???
CrimeDog
August 16th, 2009
9:25 pm
Steve-
Reading you and Lentz go back and forth is like watching the Wile E. Coyote and the Roadrunner go at it, with you being the Roadrunner. We all know who’s going to win, but watching the Coyote struggle is so entertaining.
Efrim
August 16th, 2009
9:25 pm
I always respect your position on young players, but OK, we can disagree, I’ll even still respect you in the morning.
nolie, just young players?!?!? That’s the only opinion of mine you respect??? Okay. I’ll take it from you……
If we are talking age, contract, then I really do think he is high on that list. Top-15 may be a bit too high, but I’d probably rank him in the Top 30. I didn’t like that Posnanski list at all. He ranked Soriano and Vazquez higher than McCann. I think Jarrod Washburn was on that list. Seemed strange that he would even write something like that. IF that’s the list you were refferring too(ranking McCann #81 and Mauer #2).
Rob from SC
August 16th, 2009
9:26 pm
Steve from OH
The bottom line regarding Heyward is that if he is as good as everyone thinks, he is going to get paid anyway.
Soph
August 16th, 2009
9:26 pm
Ryan – ha, I guess I could do that or even pretend like the Braves are playing on the west coast.
chilidog75
August 16th, 2009
9:26 pm
The Diamondbacks will be in town early enough to go over to the Ted and watch the game. Good seats are available, I’m sure.
woogidy
August 16th, 2009
9:26 pm
JFC! You people complain too much!
NotAgain
August 16th, 2009
9:27 pm
Now tell me he’s not the offensive leader of this team, bro (Random)
waste of time, dude. Tommy never allows anything as mundane as facts get in the way of a good rant. better be careful or he will throw his remote at you.
Steve from OH
August 16th, 2009
9:27 pm
Rob–no disagreements there. If he’s the next Dave Winfield, he’ll get paid hansomely for it.
dogsbrekky
August 16th, 2009
9:27 pm
I was just reading bloomberg news and think I got this blog and that webpage mixed up…
DP “time value of money”, jessh mate it is Sunday night, next thing we will be discussng whether we hedge our gamma, delta, theta and rho or combination of the 4.. but I got your points and agree..
If Heyward is good enough, he is old enough and ready enough, eff the $$$ considerations because who cares about 5 years hence, you win now when you can
Mixxo
August 16th, 2009
9:27 pm
McFann :Ô: -
…One-a these days Alice!
….to the MOON!
Rob from SC
August 16th, 2009
9:28 pm
I think Brandon Jones gets the call if McLouth hits the DL
chilidog75
August 16th, 2009
9:28 pm
If the Braves win tonight, they would gain on EVERYONE in front of them, wild card and division. That would be nice.
still and idiot
August 16th, 2009
9:28 pm
Define “irony.”
Heath
August 16th, 2009
9:28 pm
So the Braves execs “could” have decided not to play?
Rob from SC
August 16th, 2009
9:29 pm
Steve from OH
Lets just hope by the time Heyward becomes a Free Agent, we will have a real owner who cares.
Efrim
August 16th, 2009
9:29 pm
That isn’t a winning lineup. This team needs one more bat, even with Heyward next year.
I disagree. Take it one year at a time. Wren can make plenty of decisions this offseason that could sculpt next years club differently than many assume it will be. Even so, that 1-8 should be capable of finishing within the top third of the NL in runs scored. And with the starting pitching, well, that’s a good team….
Of course, a Matt Holliday or Jason Bay added to that team, well, I wouldn’t mind that….
Frankie Knuckles
August 16th, 2009
9:30 pm
Just because I’m alone in the house and bored….Does anyone know how they design the outfields so that they drain effectively?
jeffrey d
August 16th, 2009
9:31 pm
I find it hard to believe that the “Worldwide leader in sports” can’t find something better than Randy Wolf 3 times during a rain delay.
nycbravesfan
August 16th, 2009
9:31 pm
alright lets play some ball!, one braves strength: is going to be pinpointed tonight!!!
Despite having two grade A starters out, our depth as a team will step in to pullout a victory in this game. Look for Infante to have his best game since coming off the DL. Also, Veteran Elite, Anderson batting second will prove interesting. Garrett has been outstanding since the allstar break.
jimmy joe, you are retarded.
go braves.
jeffrey d
August 16th, 2009
9:32 pm
something better to talk about*