3:53 pm August 16, 2009, by David O'Brien
18 Wheels of Love
August 16th, 20094:53 pm
Gotta have Rochey in there…big game, gotta play your A lineup. I don’t get it.
The A Bomb
It’s not the appearances that has me worried about Moylan.
It’s the yips he gets in key situations sometimes. You never know which Moylan will show up — the wicked breaking ball Moylan or the righthanded batters box Moylan.
He’s definitely an EKG pitcher — makes the heart rate fluctuate.
Brian – I guess the Brain is a little slow today…
Steve From Oh
I will Co-Sign to your post on Utley being the most underrated player in the game
He’d Be Bigger than Pay-Rod If he was with the yankees Thanks to BSPN…
I think Jason Werth is underated as well…Even if his stats are inflated somewhat becuase he plays half his games at CBP
August 16th, 20094:54 pm
let hanley play in that ball park between two mvp winners in the lineup and there would be no debate….hanley does more with less in a pitchers park
Steve from OH
That’s not considering age either, chili.
Luck, lukcy bounce there for Yang…
Golf gods are on Yang’s side!
August 16th, 20094:55 pm
…and even luckier for Tiger! lol
McFann, I think Heap is a Top-15 player in baseball, which is pretty darn good. Just not top three, and he isn’t better than Mauer. But that really isn’t a knock on McCann.
August 16th, 20094:56 pm
The Bird and Indian–
You prob’ly are…Hee hee, but I still gotta finish reading read that crazy manuel thingy (”Manuel”? Yuck…). Think I’m gonna “get it” pretty soon if I don’t read the book…for one, need that ID to take the SAT (oh, yeah, that’s a real motivator…).
Seriously, though…I like cars (LOVE the Honda CRV) but driving kinda scares the life outta me.
21? Ha! Bet I cann hold out till at least 25…
Florida wins… Braves now only 2.5 back in the WC.
and dont forget about longoria either
Fair enough. I’d take Ramirez because I think he’s a once-in-a-generation type of offensive talent. But I understand the Utley choice. Guy is terrific.
I will say this — I’d be interested to see what Han Ram’s numbers would look like if he played in Utley’s ballpark for 81 games.
The Bird and Indian
Great. They had to remind me of Sergio’s choke last year.
Brian the Brain
August 16th, 20094:57 pm
Yeah…just a bit.
Yeah, I know…I know…
he isn’t better than Mauer.
August 16th, 20094:58 pm
Hey DOB did you hear the Kingsized Orchestra play on the Regular Guys? I didn’t have a chance to go the show but they were pretty good on the radio. I think they’re from New Orleans.
If we’re adding age and contract status into the equation, it’s Evan Longoria…..and I don’t even think it’s close.
August 16th, 20094:59 pm
Worst case scenario, Heyward does nothing more than spend a month as your 5th outfielder (KC)
worst case scenario is that once he is in the bigs I don’t think it’s possible to send him to AFL, which would be a heck of a lot more useful than him sitting around on his butt in Sept.
I like Heap a lot, but a top 15′er?
18 Wheels big game, gotta play your A lineup. I don’t get it.
Ya know what I don’t get…?
August 16th, 20095:00 pm
I mean, besides the fact that the Blog won’t refresh…
chilidog75…….Yunel, Jurrjens, and Prado are eligible for arbitration after 2010.
And I agree with you about catchers usually not getting big money. However, there have been people on here who feel that all Braves have to do is “offer” a “Brian McCann type contract” to a potential stud like Jason Heyward and he will “jump” at it and sign the extension.
I know that we havent heard much about it, but I’d be willing to bet that Braves management has approached Jurrjens about a contract extension. Yet I’m sure that Jurrjens has been advised about the pros and cons of it. If the Braves end up renewing Jurrjens before Spring Training (meaning that they cant come to an agreement on a contract extension), then chances are that Jurrjens will do the arbitration thing during his arbitration years.
Co-Sign, Petey-Pabb Has been Streaky as hell this Season…I just hope that he doesn’t tire out in September due to Bobby Over-Abusing him…
August 16th, 20095:01 pm
. . . or “Afternoon Delite”?
I see CAB & VJ are already heavy into their “online rutting”.
Seriously, youse guys oughter rent a (chat)room, dontcha think?
Mixxo I like Heap a lot…
Tomahawkin (August 16th, 2009 4:13 pm): “Dude You Know as well as I know that Chipper has been far from clutch this year, especially hitting with runners on base during the late innings.”
Prove it — which games? Which late innings? ‘Cause I don’t know that, and I sincerely doubt that you do. That’s just your belief.
“If the braves make the playoffs this year he needs to come correct like he did in 1999″
Not necessarily — there’s two dozen other players on the team.
“Plus Those stats that you threw up at me were moot.”
Stats are simply a measure of a player’s performance. They’re not “moot” — they accurately show how Chipper has performed with runners on base. Third on the Braves, and fourth among all NL third basemen.
“BTW because those situations in which he hits with runners on base do not subtract to the stats in which he hits with R.I.S.P. And better yet hitting with R.I.S.P. from the seventh inning on”
Then show me those stats — with RISP and/or from the 7th inning on. ‘Cause until you can, you’re just guessing, pulling stuff out of your butt and/or making it all up.
“You know as well as I know that Chipper has been far from MVP caliber during games from the 7th inning On…”
Nope — I don’t. Show me, if you can.
“Oh yeah I’m not hating on him but that’s how its been for the last year”
“Where You At…?”
PS: Btw, Who was US civil rights leader MLK named for?
August 16th, 20095:02 pm
Chilidog–yeah, park adjust me before I choose, LOL!
Age is a big factor, and if I did use age, I’d probably take Hanley. Looking at these, they’re all (Hanely, Mauer, Utley) pretty equivalent hitters but Utley’s D is regarded as better. But if you look at the age comparisons, it’s Hanley hands-down. However, if I had to take one of them on my WS contending team next year, it’s Utley.
I’m not exactly sure if Mauer can keep hitting for as much power as he has been, but if he does, it’s probably him.
Can’t go wrong either way!
August 16th, 20095:03 pm
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18 Wheels Of Love
“Gotta have Rochey in there…big game, gotta play your A lineup. I don’t get it.”
Co-Sign…Bobby has already made a dumb move and it ain’t even gametime yet
I bet when he had a .950 OPS earlier in the year you wouldn’t think that’s so hilarious. He’s a catcher, that may throw the whole “value” thing off for some people.
183-yd 9 iron. Yeah, but it was downhill.
August 16th, 20095:05 pm
Where’s that gofer from Caddyshack when you need him?
For real? – McFann :Ô:
Yeah, really. A little above-avg. bat (sometimes), but a horrible defensive catcher. Terrible arm, can’t block the plate or shift to an errant pitch and has too many lapses back there.
yeah….if im starting a franchise tomorrow i take longoria over anyone (maybe lincecum if i wasnt sure he is going to have arm trouble soon)
August 16th, 20095:09 pm
Paul , now that was a notable “short” post for you.
August 16th, 20095:10 pm
Any chance we get the game in tonight? The weather looks awful.
I think the Braves will reach a deal with JJ before next season starts
August 16th, 20095:11 pm
Going to the game tonight with a bunch of guys. Should be a great time.
August 16th, 20095:12 pm
Prove it — which games? Which late innings? ‘Cause I don’t know that, and I sincerely doubt that you do. That’s just your belief.
Belief My Yellow A..s, That’s fact most everyone on here who has watched the games can attest to that
“Then show me those stats — with RISP and/or from the 7th inning on. ‘Cause until you can, you’re just guessing, pulling stuff out of your butt and/or making it all up.”
Making It Up…? LOL what do I look like the BSPN page?
I don’t know If you have a man-crush or what…? But you know as well as everyone else does that Chipper has not earned the Self Proclaimed title of “Leader of this Team” let alone Team MVP
And I refuse to answer your last question because I refuse to turn this blog into that kind of race-card crap that is so existant on most of the blogs on the ajc
August 16th, 20095:13 pm
ha…but ill take that infield
who’s in the outfield on that team
August 16th, 20095:14 pm
A little above-avg. bat (sometimes), but a horrible defensive catcher. Terrible arm, can’t block the plate or shift to an errant pitch and has too many lapses back there
Just…no. McCann’s bat is (and always has been) way above average (2009 EqA .291, ditto career, .308 last year, not taking into account positional value either) and his defense is a lot better than you give him credit for. IIRC, his CS% is above 25%, meaning the other team loses net runs when they steal against him, and besides, the onus for caught stealings doesn’t reside entirely with the catcher. Plus, he does a very great job on the balls in fair territory (bunts, nubbers, etc.). As for blocking balls…he’s ok. Not great, but not awful either.
P.S.–fangraphs had him valued in the top 5 of players in MLB (includes performance, contract, position, etc. Pretty good, no?)
August 16th, 20095:15 pm
‘Stros overtake the Brewers. Sweet!
Look for another Fielder meltdown directed at his pitching staff…….SOON!
The storms are going to play into this game tonight, need to score quick and let Vasquez have a Complete game at 5 innings.
August 16th, 20095:16 pm
Mixxo A little above-avg. bat
Actually, it’s a lot above average sometimes, but whatever…
Terrible arm, can’t block the plate or shift to an errant pitch and has too many lapses back there.
Hey, guess what! Mauer has more PB than BMac this year! (7 for Joey, 5 for BMac) Fewer errors, but hey, just saying…
And he does not have a “terrible” arm. It’s his footwork…ya know, if second base was a little more towards first base, his arm would look a lot better.
August 16th, 20095:17 pm
I would think Ryan Braun would be one. And of course, Jason Heyward. Let em bat eighth in that lineup —- there wouldnt be any pressure at all.
A Nooner – jealous much?
August 16th, 20095:20 pm
Steve from OH–
Bravo! Bravo! Couldn’t have said it better myself. Thanks, mann!
(His CS% is actually 22% if you don’t count the times the pitcher catches the guy, those times when umpires mess up on the call, or the times that the SS or 2B botches the tag…)
Joe Mauer is better than B-Mac. There’s no doubt about that, obviously.
But put that in perspective. Joe Mauer might just be the best catcher in the history of baseball. So there’s no shame in not being as good as an all-time great, which Mauer most certainly is.
August 16th, 20095:21 pm
Good job, Tiger…
McFann–that stuff don’t count. What is the overall number of runners that have been caught stealing against us this year?
Mixxo: You never fail making yourself sound like an idiot. I’m looking forward to tonight since you will be watching your little league team instead of the Braves.
i would take braun, ethier, and kemp and be very happy with my outfield
August 16th, 20095:23 pm
Man, one of those marshalls almost got a Tiger tee shot right in the face. Wow.
August 16th, 20095:24 pm
The Bird and Indian –
Son, move along little boy and STFU.
My team doesn’t play till the 21st. Idiot!
Everyone keep in mind that Jurrjens is a Scott Boras client. So the odds of him “jumping” at a long-term extension…..well, let’s just say I’ll take the “under.”
In all honesty though, with that infield, we could throw Pete Orr, Pete Incaviglia and Pete Townsend in the outfield and do all right for ourselves.
Orr would just have to cover a lot of ground.
August 16th, 20095:25 pm
I hope you are correct, but with Scott Boras as his agent…
Mixxo–hey, it doesn’t take a 40-year old man to figure out that you’re off base with your McCann argument.
Seriously, people here just don’t understand what an average player is, and therefore what an above-average player is, and don’t really get positional adjusment either.
August 16th, 20095:27 pm
or just put victorino out there by himself
Tomahawkin (August 16th, 2009 5:12 pm): “And I refuse to answer your last question because I refuse to turn this blog into that kind of race-card crap that is so existant on most of the blogs on the ajc”
No, there’s no “race-card” about it — it’s just a neat little trick question involving some little known trivia about Dr King’s name.
(Actually, it’s a double trick question — one is at about the 4th grade level, and one is at about the 8th grade level.)
The “obvious” (though incorrect answer) is that he was named for Martin Luther, the famous Protestant reformer.
But the real answers are not racist, I assure you.
PS: as for the rest of your comment, you are so full of siht. (And we were not discussing whether or not Chipper was the “team leader” or “team MVP” — just whether he has been “unclutch” this year. Which you have proven utterly incapable of disproving, though you repeat it incessantly.)
August 16th, 20095:28 pm
Why is it that Bobby Cox never fails to take out laroche or anyone else on our team when a lefty is pitching. But yet chooses to never change his pitchers when it benefits him that way.
Just the other night he chose to take out Gonzalez when he would have faced Howard in the top of the ninth. Instead he brings in Soriano to face Howard. (a righty pitching to a lefty) He uses this philosophy for his hitters but not his pitchers. We should be up in this series 2 games to none.
Brandon from Warner Robins
Mark Bowman has posted a new lineup via twitter
New Braves lineup: Infante 4, Anderson 7, Chipper 5, McCann 2, Escobar 6, Diaz 9, LaRoche 3, Church 8, Vazquez 1
August 16th, 20095:30 pm
Garret Anderson batting second? I might faint…
August 16th, 20095:33 pm
let me say I HOPE the Braves try hard to do that , the longer it goes the harder it wil be with Boras ,thats why I think it will happen quick.
“PS: as for the rest of your comment, you are so full of siht. (And we were not discussing whether or not Chipper was the “team leader” or “team MVP” — just whether he has been “unclutch” this year. Which you have proven utterly incapable of disproving, though you repeat it incessantly.)”
I’m Full Of Siht….? Good! And you ain’t down with that then “I’ve Got Two Words For Ya…!”
The Truth hurts bro. Everyone on here knows that our “Self Proclaimed leader” is having an off year nuff said…
Chipper is the face of the team but he doesn’t come through in close games and clutch situations like he used to 10 years ago when he was MVP
August 16th, 20095:35 pm
so which line up is it?
August 16th, 20095:36 pm
August 16th, 20095:38 pm
Why Do People Hate on B-Macc’s Defense of throwing out baserunners when Our pitching staff is among the worst in baseball as far as holding runners on…
Chalk that up to McDowell…
Our pitchers and BMac together have caught 19 outta 76 base-runners, exactly 25%.
Dang…when I saw “new lineup”, and then the number 5 before BMac name…
Ah, but no. That’s for Chipper’s position…
August 16th, 20095:39 pm
For some reason, Direct TV isnt showing any of the Marlins-Rockies games. It says it’s supposed to be on channel 745-1, however all I get is the Direct TV logo.
Are any of you who have the MLB Extra Innings package on Direct TV able to watch the Marlins-Rockies game?
August 16th, 20095:40 pm
has this new lineup been verified?
Oh, I don’t know…BMac makes a couple bad throws and everybody thinks he’s horrible.
August 16th, 20095:43 pm
Prado said he isn’t feeling dizzy like yesterday. but he has been scratched. LaRoche at 1B.
August 16th, 20095:44 pm
Im going off of what Mark has tweeted…
Heres another tweet from Mark about 20 min ago – Prado said he isn’t feeling dizzy like yesterday. but he has been scratched. LaRoche at 1B.
Rocks trying to exact some revenge early in this game… 3-0
August 16th, 20095:45 pm
Looking at the weather, steady stream of stuff moving NNW. Looks like the wind will be blowing out tonight. Bodes well for our warning track power!
August 16th, 20095:46 pm
Paul Lentz….I know exactly what you’re posting about…you’ve been doing it for 3 days. How the hell do you know if the Braves have approached JJ about a contract?? You talk like you were in on the meeting with JJ and the Braves. Some guys want the security of the multi- year, guaranteed deal. look at what Longoria signed with the Rays. I’m not sure of the specifics, but I think he only makes $3million a year, which is obviously insane. However, if he gets hurt and can never play again, he gets all the remaining money on the deal. It really is a case by case thing. Because JJ has Boras for an agent, I hihgly doubt he will be signing a deal any time soon.
August 16th, 20095:50 pm
What’s with all the Chipper bashing?? The guy sees about 2 pitches a game that he can actually drive. Obviously he;s not the player he was 10 years ago, but who is?? Ask any opposing manager about who they don’t want to see up there late in the game…they will all say Chip.
McFann, I think Heap is a Top-15 player in baseball, which is pretty darn good. Just not top three, and he isn’t better than Mauer. But that really isn’t a knock on McCann. (EFRIM)
wasn’t he just ranked 66th or 89th or some such? top 15? Sorry, not even close IMO
August 16th, 20095:52 pm
I’d like to reiterate what RC said about JJ – he’s a Boras client. I like JJ and with him having grown up a Braves fan I think that’ll help. But the chances of him going ahead and signing a long term deal are about the same as the Nationals playing in the World Series this year. JJ will go arb at least a couple of times and then they will evaluate where he’s at – if he continues to be a guy who goes 6-7 innings every time out with 7ks and 1-2 runs given up then he will command an annual salary of 10-12 million when that time comes. So whether the Braves retain his services will depend upon the finances of the team. If we win a lot and get the city excited that = more butts in seats, ergo we maybe can afford him.
We do nothing with JJ going into next year because we’ve already got to figure out the finances of a rotation that potentially may include Hudson, Lowe, Vas, KK. Once at least two of those guys are cleared off the books we can maybe look at Hanson/JJ contracts.
In the mean time my vote is that we, as fans, don’t worry about finances and next years moves until the offseason. Let’s get hyped about beating the Phillies tonight. Any chance we can give Victorino a laxative or something and get him out of there?
And to add to the discussion about best player/who you build a franchise around – depends on the kind of team you want – do you want a power team or a speed team and where you are playing. Hanley Ramierez is a good place to start – I second that vote – his power stats would go nuts if he played somewhere besides Landshark Stadium. Although I’d be willing to take a Rollins at SS just because of the intangibles & winning pedigree.
Great Elvis song, though I’m partial to “Can’t Help Falling in Love With You.” An Elvis impersonator sang that one to me when I was 8 months pregnant and big as a barn and feeling, well, rather unattractive. Guess our favorites are often so because of context…
August 16th, 20095:53 pm
Paul Lentz: “KC………you are simply ignoring the economic impact of calling him up now, as opposed to waiting until June 2010 to call him up.”
No, I am not ignoring the economic impact at all. I’ve addressed it.
If the Braves feel fairly certain that Heyward can have an impact in April, there’s a very good chance we’ll see him in the Atlanta lineup on opening day. The Braves have done this with rookies many times before (not waiting until June). If a guy can help you win even 3 more games in April and May than you would’ve won without him… that could be the difference in the division.
I have said numerous times that IF the Braves feel confident that Heyward will be on the opening day roster next year, there’s no financial reason NOT to call him up in a week or two.
But if they have any doubts that he’ll be in the opening day lineup next year… well then, I would agree that it makes no sense to call him up.
Personally, I think his performance this season, possibly this winter (Arizona Fall League?), and next spring are going to make it very difficult to NOT have him in the lineup next April… which is why I think it make sense to call him up this year. But we’ll see.
Hmmm… not sure why everything in my last post wound up italicized. Weird.
August 16th, 20095:54 pm
Yeah he was ranked in the 80s by an SI writer.
Is Joe Posnanski THE authority on such matters?
I don’t think McCann is in the top 15 myself, but he’s definitely better than 84 or whatever he was ranked, in my opinion. He’s the second-best hitter in the major leagues, at a premium defensive position. That’s an incredibly valuable asset to have.
Top 15? Probably not. Top 50? Without a doubt.
Doesn’t matter if GA is batting second or eighth, Happ is tough,tough. No way we lose with our MVP on the mound, though. The Braves have enough in that lineup to squeeze out a few runs at most, but I’ll bet Javy out pitches this kid. Watch and see.
If a guy can help you win even 3 more games in April and May than you would’ve won without him… that could be the difference in the division.
Only the very best of players would, empirically, be worth that many wins over a two month span over a replacement player, much less an average duo like Diaz and Church.
August 16th, 20095:56 pm
nolie–not speakig for Efrim, but in terms of value (postion, contract, age), Mac is right up there IMO.
Prado was still dizzy when he went to hit in the cage, so lineup’s changed and LaRoche is in.
2. Anderson (yes, batting second)
njbraves…………..common sense tells me that Braves management has approached Jurrjens with a contract extension. I dont have to have “sat in” on team meetings to come to that conclusion, lol.
Jurrjens is a STUD. 23 years old, and 2 full seasons (soon to be) of really good pitching. Do you really think that the Braves havent tried to lock Jurrjens to a contract extension? The Braves would be FOOLS to not at least have already tried.
I realize that Scott Boras is his agent. But that doesnt mean that they wont at least try. I think that the Braves have seen enough of Jurrjens to know that he is someone they want on their team for years to come.
Frank Wren traded for Nate McClouth, who has a VERY team friendly contract. Wren was assisting Schuerholtz when he signed McCann to his extension in early 2007. Judging by the way Frank Wren has carried out his duties as GM…….why do you think that there would have to be any “guesswork” as to whether the Braves have already approached Jurrjens about an extension?
Dude, if you cant use some common sense to come to the obvious conclusion, then you arent very perceptive.
Johnny Quest (from WR, too)
Sounds like someone pissed in The Bird and the Indian’s corn flakes. Sounds like his band of 11/12 year olds got trounced by a superior team.
I hope it was WRALL.
August 16th, 20095:57 pm
Someone on the final day of a major, in the final pairing, out-playing Tiger Woods.
Mixxo: I thought I remembered you putting that it was the same night as the Sunday night baseball game. I wouldn’t want you to leave if you didn’t hate the entire Braves team.
and his defense is a lot better than you give him credit for. IIRC, his CS% is above 25% (STEVE)
no not really. as a former catcher I can tell you that he has a number of faults. He ain’t horrible but he could be a bunch better cause a lot of that could be fixable except for arm strength. He does not block well, he does not corral stray pitches well, he is constantly out of position with runners coming home and his footwork when throwing is erratic. His bat and his leadership of both the pitching staff and in the clubhouse are what drives his value, not his D.. CS is like RBI or ERA, depends WAY too much on externals.
August 16th, 20095:58 pm
Rain is a coming. Two games on Monday.
I had just talked to Prado and he said he was feeling better after waking up with headache. He finished a bottle of water, then went into cage and that’s where he got dizzy again.
“I don’t know what the problem is,” Cox said. “It’s a little worrisome now.”
August 16th, 20095:59 pm
Why isn’t Bobby playing Kelly Johnson?????
I’m NOT suggesting we bump Prado and give him back the starting 2B job. Kelly is VERY streaky, but when he’s hot, he is as dangerous as they get… AND HE’S BEEN HOT LATELY!!! You have to find a way to get him in the lineup when he’s swinging it as he has.
Also, Bobby REFUSES to acknowledge the fact that KJ has hit .320 off lefties, and .188 off righties. BC still keeps him out of the lineup vs. lefties. Why won’t Bobby accept the numbers on this?? Damnit!! It’s asinine. KJ should be in the lineup tonight.
Prado still dizzy from heat?
What the f?
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