3:53 pm August 16, 2009, by David O'Brien
August 17th, 200912:35 am
Pretty uninspired hitting performance! Really all weekend long. Not much to say other than I think us fans were more up for a good series than the team was. If it wasn’t for the gift yesterday we get swept!
Evan…….you made a very good point with your 12:31am posting.
After all, the title of the last blog was “Braves vs. Phillies: It’s Big”.
I guess that it’s only “big” to get people to read it (just kidding DOB, lol).
Omar, that was bad man.
This guy deserves to give up four runs with two outs in the bottom of the 9th. You can’t end it like that.
If there is anybody in baseball who could have blown that save it’s Brad Lidge. That guy has fallen off the hook so many times against us we owe it to him to load the bases there and hit one out.
I mean Greg Norton got on base. Omar, that’s inexcusable. You gotta get on base. Just pathetic.
August 17th, 200912:36 am
not great but not the end of the world. i never expected to win the NL east. but the wild card is still a solid possibility.
RHR = diseased infested WH0RE.
Just when they get you excited they blow!
August 17th, 200912:37 am
Back to .500 Vazquez 137-137.
“And how many Albert Pujols’ are there in this world? How often does a talent like that come around? Your argumente loses all validity when you start comparing people to Albert Pujols to make your point about his faults.”
Why does it lose validity. I also pointed out Helton too but I see you chose to ignore that. If you would just stop to think for a second you will see what I said is not that hard to comprehend.
Point 1. Howard is a great power hitter.
Point 2. He strikes out a lot.
Point 3. If you are an opposing pitcher you know Howard can hurt you with a homerun but the flip side of that is that you also know you can strike the guy out.
Point 4. Because of that pitchers are more likely to go after him than giving him the kind of respect that someone like a Pujols or even Chipper may get.
I never said Howard was a bad player or that he wasn’t productive. The only point I am making is that he is not that great of an all around hitter that is why pitchers are going to be more likely to go after him than others and if they mess up they will pay for it. Yes it would be nice to have his power in our lineup but it ain’t happening. Best we can hope for is Heyward becoming what they hope he becomes. He will probably never be the kind of power hitter Howard is but if he can still be a big bat in our lineup.
August 17th, 200912:40 am
Hey, at least we arent 8 games back. I will take 6 games out over 8 any day. But, I knew this game was a loss before the first pitch was even thrown, wanna know why????? Because Garrett Anderson was batting second in the lineup. I saw that and said, Ballgame, right then and there, and lo and behold, i was right. WTF business does Garrett have hitting in the 2 hole??? How many rallies did he kill tonight?
Ryan Howards Nostrils
Anybody seen Doc Gooden he owes me a treat and if anybody sees that punk Jared tell him I dont know why the Burrell broke up with him hell he aint even on the team no more.
August 17th, 200912:41 am
“Jake W………….Albert Pujols does not bat CLEAN-UP for the Cardinals. He’s the #3 hitter. Most of the time, hitters are put in the #4 spot to HIT HOMERS, not get on base”
Did you read a thing that I just said to you in my last post. I see why some people just flat out ignore you. Let me repost it for you. Here you go Paul, read carefully:
12:26 am post,”Ok, I never said Heyward would be our cleanup hitter. Someone said they wanted a big bat in the lineup and i alluded to the fact that he could one day be that big bat for us. He may never hit 50 homeruns but if he has the average and hits 25-30 he will still be a big bat in this lineup regardless of where he hits.”
I’ll grant that Miller has the qualifications to be an announcer, but how does being the Mets GM or a baseball player qualify someone for an announcer’s job. DiamondbackMac
Neither is an announcer. They are color men, lending an insight into what is going on in the field. Almost never will you see a professional announcer like Jon Miller doing color work.
You don’t think being a player on the MLB level for 22 years doen’t give you some knowledge about what is going on?
How about running a team, answering only to the owner, does that man have knowledge about how baseball works on every level?
August 17th, 200912:42 am
This kind of offensive inconsistency and ineptitude is what you get when your lineup is chock full of .260 hitters. No speed, no power, no dynamic offensive players. The entire outfield is made up of 4th outfielders. And GA batting second? Sure, no need for speed, bunting and situational hitting in that spot!
Once again, the Braves have a chance to show something and they soil their diapers.
Ryan Howards Nostrils, you know, after seeing your screen name, i have to say, I have been cussing about how big his Nose has been all night. Its ear to ear big, and i cant stand it.
August 17th, 200912:43 am
Those of you who complain about these guys are among the least knowledgeable bloggers. I’d pay attention and learn something. (KL)
I’ll take Phillips, you can have the other 2 ol’ buddy.
Good luck down there with the coming storms. Some are saying that Bill might go up the Atlantic side. I sure would like a worry free summer myself. Once you get hit with a powerful one, your whole attitude changes IMO. Maybe y’all get so many down there that it’s blase. Anyway I hope all goes well the rest of the storm season for you.
August 17th, 200912:44 am
Come on Paul Lentz. Your 12:36 is wrong. I don’t even know what she said, but she doesn’t deserve that.
But hey, we are still only 3 and a 1/2 games out of the wild card. we still have that going for us.
August 17th, 200912:45 am
Havent you all figured out that Paul Lentz is a moron by now?
Thanks Nolie. That’s appreciated.
August 17th, 200912:46 am
It’s not over folks. 45 games left.
Since June 28 (43 games) we’re 27-16.
To get 90 wins we need to go 29-16.
So SO doable for the Bravos. Keep playing like we have been and it’s done.
August 17th, 200912:47 am
Man, there’s no getting around it. The Braves don’t show up in games like these. I hate being on ESPN in the first place but Sunday night, with the red uniforms? That’s just not a good combination.
Fortunately, next week it’s Red Sox-Yankees so order will be restored to the universe.
I hope they, the Braves, don’t forget they have a game tomorrow. They didn’t look like they really wanted to play.
I mean, it’s one thing to be “ready” to play. Tonight they looked like they wished they could just be at home watching Mad Men or something.
There’s no reason to worry about the wild card this evening. The Giants lost and the Marlins and Rockies beat each other.
The Phillies are ostensibly the better team. What are you going to do? They beat us. It would have been nice if we showed up for this one but the real concern is for some of the injuries.
Nate is going to be out, Chipper needs to sit out and Martin’s dizziness isn’t good either. Even worse, we still have Greg Norton, Ryan Church isn’t hitting and Omar doesn’t have his @#$% together yet.
It sure would be nice if we could all run the team for a day. Greg Norton needs to go. I don’t know what to do with Heyward but we might need him. I’d also really like it if Bobby moved Brian out of the 4 spot and didn’t use GA to bat 2nd. But what do we know.
August 17th, 200912:48 am
RHR, 0y ESPN feed is behind the game. I switched over to the internet radio broadcast, when I realized that.
Rob from SC
August 17th, 200912:50 am
Is it still not Heyward time?
HORRIBLE loss tonight. The team looked flat offensively basically the whole game, and the lineup STUNK!
Ryan Church, who has been successful at the leadoff spot for us, gets dropped low in the order. Omar Infante’s not a bad option there, but Church would’ve been a better option. Garret Anderson batted second and in no way should have.
J.A. Happ had control issues throughout the game, and too many times Atlanta hitters saw a 2-0 count, for example, as a chance to display a golf shot. Might’ve been better to try to draw a walk.
Matt Diaz would’ve been a good fit for the “two” slot, and Kelly Johnson deserves time in left field.
Paul Lentz, Jeff Francoeur isn’t a bum. Don’t know if you saw my comment toward you on the other blog earlier, but I find it ironic that you have your misspellings and occasional incoherent moments while simultaneously attacking the intelligence of others.
August 17th, 200912:51 am
keylargo………..RHR seems to take pleasure in taking cheap shots. If “she” doesnt like my posts, “she” can easily ignore them. However, “she” likes to take her cheap shots at me.
So I decided to take my own cheap shot at “her”. I dont really say anything to “her”, however “she” likes to go on and on about how long my posts are.
I could care less if I offended “her”. She offends me when she does nothing to address the content of what I say. Just on and on about how long they are.
August 17th, 200912:52 am
Boy, Howard’s nose, Victorino looking like a rat with those buck teeth…could be the goofiest looking team in MLB right now. But MAN, can they hit the damn ball and cover some ground!
August 17th, 200912:53 am
Okay, Was this a CRUCIAL series?? I’m betting as of 12:30AM on August 17 that it is no longer a CRUCIAL series. Am I right? Now the “Series” with Arizona becomes the next “crucial” series.
We all know what the bear does in the woods. We don’t know if you hear it when a tree falls in the woods. The next BIG question becomes is EVERY series from this point on a “crucial” series right up to the point Braves are eliminated or make the playoffs? The Mets on their post game show continue to show the Wild Card Standings with the Mets as the last team still in it. If the Mets are still in it, I’m willing to agree with the leader of this Blog that all series are CRUCIAL and/or HUGE. The “HUGE” is in honor of Boog Sciambi who can’t go 15 minutes without telling us something is “HUGE”–Boog, The only time the word “HUGE” is appropriate as much as you utilize it is when you are describing Hank Goldberg. Those times at Pete Rose’s Ballpark Cafe still bring back memories. Maybe during a rain delay with Simpson you can entertain all the viewers, who may not be aware of the defenses that were constantly proffered on Pete’s innocence. Pete didn’t gamble on baseball.He especially did not gamble on baseball in the eyes of notorious kiss-ups who loved his attention.
Well, that was a blast. We made J.A. Happ look good, which he may be, but I don’t think it’ll hold up once the league gets some good looks at him.
My Name Is Lou
August 17th, 200912:55 am
I am so lonely. Please help.
The A Bomb
Two things apparent tonight. . .
1. Our team is SO out of balance — too many lefties in the lineup and NO lefties in the starting rotation. Needs to be addressed in the off season. Bay or Holliday would be perfect! We need a lefty in the rotation. Reminds me of the ‘82-’83 teams.
2. Medlen is headed for great things. His stuff is electric and he needs to be in more 7th and 8th inning hold situations.
Phillies are just better right now, folks. We’re a couple of players away from changing that.
August 17th, 200912:56 am
Want to understand the sheer superiority of the American League?/ Check out Infante’s numbers with the Tigers. I would also apprecite it if someone could get Omar a handkerchief. Man!! That is obnoxious after every single pitch.
August 17th, 200912:57 am
Prado cleared to play tomorrow, but Cox didn’t sound convinced about starting him.
FREE JASON HEYWARD!!!!
Gotta agree with you about Medlen A Bomb
August 17th, 200912:59 am
Ronald Millsaps, i was with you all the way buddy until you said Kelly should be playing left field.
Does Manual have a little Bobby Bowden in him?? At least we know there is nothing resembling age discrimination in baseball. And DON’T tell me the Phillies skipper isn’t at least 80. I’m 62 and I’m 40 years away from developing that many mannerisims. That is freaky on those pitching changes. Couldn’t MLB utilize a charm school to teach these guys how to walk out to the mound?
August 17th, 20091:00 am
My Lineup for Tomorrow
Church – CF
Johnson – 2B
Jones – 3B
LaRoche – 1B
McCann – C
Escobar – SS
Anderson – LF
Diaz – RF
Hanson – P
August 17th, 20091:01 am
I’m having deja vu right now but I’m not sure what it’s about.
I feel like I’ve written that exact same post before, the one at 12:47. I’m not kidding. It’s weird.
Hell, why don’t I just go with the thought… we’ve been here before. We’ve looked bad and we’ve come up real small and then the next thing you know they win some huge games.
I just don’t have a very good feeling about the way this team plays at home. I like our chances on the road here on out. We need some very proactive managing from Bobby Cox in games like the one on Friday. Play to win. Get rid of Norton. Don’t use him to pinch hit and then use a better hitter to pinch run.
Obviously, none of that is going to happen. What would help is someone stepping it up and being the MVP the rest of the way.
We have enough guys who can do it but not so much when you need a three run homer in the 8th or 9th inning.
But we still have the pitching. These guys are good all the way. Every night they’re going to give us a chance to win. Just have to play good defense, work as a team and score some runs.
But still, somebody needs to lead the way.
August 17th, 20091:02 am
Lentz that wasn’t cheap, that was down right rude an outa line, I expect that kinda thing out of the fringe bloggers.
August 17th, 20091:03 am
What WC chase teams have done since June 28 and what they need to do to get 90 wins:
Rockies: 26-18 (.591) since June 28, need 25-19 (.568, -.023)
Giants: 24-20 (.545) since June 28, need 27-18 (.600, +.055)
Marlins: 25-17 (.595) since June 28, need 27-19 (.587, -.008)
Braves: 27-16 (.628) since June 28, need 29-16 (.644, +.016)
Cubs: 25-19 (.568) since June 28, need 30-17 (.638, +.070)
The Braves, Rockies and Marlins are the ones most doing what they need to.
“I could care less if I offended “her”. She offends me when she does nothing to address the content of what I say. Just on and on about how long they are.”
Speaking of adressing content, you could do a better job at that yourself. I’m still trying to figure out where I said something about Heyward being some great clean-up hitter for the Braves in the future. Yet you seemed to go on and on about it….
I’m a sad old man. My team is boring, no one cares about them. Any success they have is fleeting. Their scouting department will never stop getting lucky. A promise.
August 17th, 20091:04 am
Enter your comments here
Not as “lonely” as John “Boog” Sciambi is “HUGE”, and not as “lonely” as Hank Goldberg is “HUGE”. Boog, is Spurrier still going to take that job with the Saints?? He’s only about 14 years behind schedule. Did you ever work with “PK” Zagacki?? Did you know what “PK” stood for? Neil was great!!
Sorry, for the S. Florida radio stuff, but it is after 1:00. You still talk to “Shoes”??
August 17th, 20091:06 am
Wow, people are still trying to bury the Braves. Well apparently you haven’t been paying attention this season because evry time it looks like they are done, they bounce back. So unless and until they fail to bounce back from this series loss, I’m not calling it a season.
None of the Wild Card teams are running away with it and there’s too much season remaining to give up.
No mystery as to why the Braves lost this series. The Phillies were healthier and they got contributions from the bats that are expected to contribute. Their starters also stepped it up a notch. If their starters remain as effective as they were in this series, the Phillies should repeat barring a total meltdown from Lidge.
Our big guys who played didn’t meet the challenge. Plain and simple. They did in previous series against the Phillies, but not this time when it really could have put some pressure on them. I still expect the Braves to be in the chase late into September. Hopefully they’ll get another arm for the pen and get everyone healthy too.
I’d like to see McLouth and Church and Prado healthy and in the lineup.When they are healthy and playing regularly the offense does well. The Braves simply cannot afford to continue to have 1/3 of their lineup missing every game,
Fire Bobby Cox .Sure thanks to Bobby we have won the east for 13years in a row thanks to him we also won the WS.but during the last 4years we have not make the Playoff.Make Bobby retire or fire him.Oh yea TP also need to be fire
August 17th, 20091:07 am
Charlie Manuel has had a ruptured colon due to diverticulitis (he wore a colostomy bag under his uni in Cleveland for a while), quadruple-bypass, and kidney cancer. He also has gout. My guess is that he’s lucky to be alive, much less walking to a mound.
Javier Vazquez is a terrific pitcher, but he wasn’t terrific tonight. I’m disappointed. While his overall stat line is not bad tonight, he definitely picked a couple of bad times to miss his spots.
Tonight’s lineup was flat-out inexcusable, and why this team doesn’t utilize Kelly Johnson more is as well.
The Phillies don’t have more talent than we do; they’re more committed to winning than we are from an intelligence standpoint, as their lineup is filled with better team chemistry.
After desperately needing pop in the lineup, we reacquire Adam LaRoche, who can provide 30 homers per season. What do we do? Bat him seventh! We need to bat him between Chipper and McCann, period!!!!!!!
We have six remaining games with the Phillies. If we win four, we’re technically just four games out of first now. This division still is very much within Atlanta’s reach. We just can’t shoot ourselves in the foot by throwing out bad lineup cards or asking Martin Prado to bunt Nate McLouth over when McLouth’s already in scoring position! Think about it, again: McLouth’s on second with no one out. A base hit has a 90% chance of scoring him, and there’s a great chance that Prado, Chipper, or McCann will provide that hit. Trying to give away an out effects the whole framework of the scoring opportunity.
On a different note, Michael Vick sounded contrite all week long in quotes I read, but one in particular didn’t, where he spoke about how it was dumb to do what he did at the pinnacle of his career, which somewhat implies that he only was concerned about the timing of his getting caught.
I have absolutely no idea why teams want to use this man in the West Coast offense. He flourished under Dan Reeves but struggled mightily under Mora, as Mora and Blank forced him into said offense. That style is designed for immobile quarterbacks with weak throwing arms, and you’re going to tell me it’s a perfect fit for VICK??????????
Joe Theismann’s the only announcer I ever heard oppose this approach, and I applaud him for that move.
CaliChopper……..I’m not justifying what I said. I’m just saying why I did it. I got tired of seeing RHR with “her” cheap shots, so I decided to hit back, and hit back hard.
It appears it’s better to be “lucky’ than good based upon BIG trophies and World Championship banners. I’ll grant you the little division flags strung across the FACADE–A Great Word—.
August 17th, 20091:08 am
We have 7 games left with the Phillies. A 4 game set in Philly in a week in a half, And 3 games in Atlanta leading up to the last week of the season. A passing thought.
Jake W………I addressed what you said and gave you my take on it. I didnt just take “cheap shots” at you that had nothing to do with what you said. RHR is non-stop in “her” cheap shots.
So like I said, I decided to hit back and insult “her”.
August 17th, 20091:09 am
Why don’t the whipper snappers understand my 50’s slang? Am I out of my league? Should I move on? In the past when I have been in a social environment and everyone ignored or made fun of me, I left. Have I become this lonely?
August 17th, 20091:10 am
Lentz, you went over the line. You’re not even an idiot, you’re a damned MORON!
Go where somebody gives a sh_t you piece of garbage!
Nice to see that the Braves back up their words.. Everyone was talking about how this was the biggest series of the season, and how ready they were for the Phillies.. Yeah, what a joke that turned out to be.. I remember reading where Chipper felt young again, and Moylan said that Phillies were going to see that the Braves were ready.. The one thing I hate more then anything else in the world is when players from sports talk crap and not only don’t back up their words, but don’t even come close to backing them up. Had it not been a gift 2 errors on the same play from Lidge on Saturday, the big bad Braves get swept in what they dubbed, ” The most important series of the year”
Way to go out there and let all your fans down.. You go 7-2 in the previous 9 games you played them this year, and they were winless in Atlanta this year.. I thought the Braves had momentum going into this series,, They take 3 of 4 from LA in LA, then they sweep the Nats who were on a 8 game winning streak.. Then they lose two very crucial games to a team that is good yes, but also a team that we have owned this year.. Philly showed why they are a good team, and the Braves showed why they are not.. Thanks Braves, see ya next season..
August 17th, 20091:11 am
“keylargo”–Yeah, we’ve got Lentz throwing around an x-rated, slanderous term, someone making a lewd twist of our manager’s name, and someone referring to God’s name in vain, which is the worst part of it all.
Rather ironic that there’s a way to report inappropriate comments on here. No action ever seems to be taken at all. The Shaunti Feldhahn-Diane Glass blog from 2004 was the worst. The liberals “moderating” it did so with about as much objectivity as the, well, liberal media and deleted only what they wanted deleted, apparently.
August 17th, 20091:13 am
Chop Chop, What do any of those things have to do with the neck up?/ I’ve also had cancer, diverticulitis–that’s about it–and it would still take me 40 years to develop all those mannerisims. Maybe it’s time to pull a “Connie Mack’ and just sit in the dugout.Stengel looked silly as well. Might be time to start dressing like football, basketball, soccer and hockey coaches.
August 17th, 20091:14 am
We got exposed tonight and yesterday too with our LH hitting lineup that doesn’t hit LH… the only LH hitter we have that can actually hit LH’s sat out the game! BMac got the HR yesterday but he is hitting around .200 as is Church and I’m sure most of the others. Someone will point out that we probably have a better record against LH pitchers than RH. BUt you could never prove it by yesterday’s and tonight’s games against good LH pitching. No big hits with 2 outs tonight.
August 17th, 20091:15 am
I just think some people here are just to attached to winning the division. I know that is the easier route to make the playoffs but the Phillies to me even when they struggle and especially with the aquisition of Lee pretty much have it wrapped up to me. Wild Card is winnable. Rockies have to compete with the Dodgers and Giants. Cubs are not really that good but they keep hanging in their because they really beat up on the bad teams. Marlins are streaky. Wild-Card is right there. 3 1/2 back but we are going to have to be healthy to do it. We don’t have the depth of Philly’s lineup where if someone misses time they still have all those other bats. We need all our guys in there or someone to just go on a tear and carry us.
August 17th, 20091:18 am
August 17th, 2009
In all seriousness DOB,
I don’t see where it would matter if Prado sits or plays.. If he plays, there is always a chance of having a recurrence.. If he sits, we have one of our better bats out of the lineup.. This team is playing at a low right now after choking away their best chance at winning the East after a few year hiatus.. I have not a single bit of faith in the Braves at this point.. They tease us fans by playing good for a stretch and beating some very good teams.. Then they fall completely on their faces when a series comes along that matters the most.. They should be 7 games out right now, but lets see if they can take advantage of a Philly error that prevented them from sweeping us in our own stadium.. Even if they win several of their next games, they will disappoint us soon after as that is in their DNA..
Please feel sorry for me. Please respect my opinions and me. If I treated opposing fans with respect and showed sportsmanship would they actually let me in? I don’t know. What I do know is this – I Am Secure.
August 17th, 20091:19 am
Howard single handedly whooped us! Friday and tonight. Nothing like playing Atlanta to get your mojo working again!
the muffin man
August 17th, 20091:20 am
In retrospect, the one player who might have hurt our franchise the most in the past couple of years might be Jo Jo Reyes.
The Braves were really counting on him to take a rotation spot and his lack of development forced us to look elsewhere. Very big disappointment.
We overbid on Kawakami and despite his decent performance he was not what we needed. Wren MUST go out and get at least one southpaw.
The Phils at least have Blanton for a little balance. Utley and Howard are not going anywhere for a long, long time. We must get a lefty — soon.
August 17th, 20091:22 am
1 Run on 4 (exepletive) Hits! Uninspired play the whole series by the Awfense after the off day on Thursday which killed all our momentum
Plain and Simple we Should’ve got swept as Flat as our Awfense Came Out after the off day on Thursday
I’m just lucky that B Lidge gave us a gift after Our Blow-Pen gave them a gift in game 3 of the season
August 17th, 20091:25 am
You did not address what I said because I never said anything about Heyward being a clean-up hitter. You’re telling me that Howard is suppose to hit homeruns because thats what a CLEAN-UP hitter does and Heyward won’t be that. I’m telling you that the only point I was trying to make is that Howard is not that great an all around hitter and as evidenced by the numbers will strike out a lot. I site examples like Helton and Pujols as being good all around hitters and you come back and tell me Pujols is not a CLEAN-UP hitter. Correct me if i’m wrong but that is going on and on about something else and not addressing what I said. Spin it whatever way you like Paul but while you are not taking cheap shots, you still were going on and on about something I didn’t even say. Now if you can pull a post where I said Heyward, Helton, Chipper or anyone else would be a great CLEAN-UP hitter then i’ll admit i’m wrong.
Sounds like Boog used to be HUGE in South Florida. I have also wondered about his constant use of the word “HUGE”. I’m going to actually count the number of times he says “HUGE” in the next 7 days. That sounds boring but I’m putting the over and under at 15 and we are starting a little pool at the office.
August 17th, 20091:27 am
Lets not get all bent out of shape over losing a series to the Phillies. We’re Braves fans, we can handle a little disappointment. Howard can be neutralized.
August 17th, 20091:29 am
Looks like the blog can complain just fine without me. But, how could I not chime in after a weekend at a family reunion and only ESPN to fill me in?
So… who’s the bigger choker in a series that was deemed to be “BIG” by the Braves players this past week? Vazquez for missing badley on two pitches to one of the leagues best power hitters, or the awfense?
Somewhere Ozzie Guillen is smirking at the thought of Vazquez pitching in a “big” game, and failing.
Funny that the Braves stink it up (Lidge gave us the game yesterday), and the only thing the homers can complain about is the ESPN crew covering the game. It’s a good thing the Braves gave ESPN (and the other national media outlets) so many reasons to consider them “in this thing”, with their play this weekend. You know, the series in which our Ace (too many people incorrectly calling Vazquez an Ace, imo), got beat, and we didn’t face their new one. Too funny.
Still plenty of time to win more than they lose. So no need to panic. But this series did NOTHING to convince me that they are serious about taking hold of the wild card (or the division – for those dillusional enough to think that that was realistic).
I have the same response and “gut” feeling as last week to the end game question.
Can the Braves win the WC or NL East? Sure they can.
Do I think they will? If I was a millionaire, I wouldn’t waste my money by putting 10 bucks on them doing so. They’re just not in the same league as the Phillies, imo. Surely not with Greg Norton and his .136 PH average as the “best” option to PH in the 9th.
August 17th, 20091:30 am
Jake W, you’re correct, but I would also add that Chipper and McCann need to step it up and Escobar as cooled off and it’s noticeable. One team got the big hits while the other swung for the fences and missed more often than not.
Now’s the time of year your money players step it up. It’ll be interesting to see which Braves will get it done in these final weeks and which ones underperform.
August 17th, 20091:32 am
BTW for all of you who think O’Flaherty is a back of the bullpen guy look at tonight as an example of why he isn’t.
Utley and Howard is the most dangerous 1-2 lefthanded punch in the NL. He was lucky to get out of it on the line drive DP off the bat of Werth.
And I also said on Friday that we just got beat by Howard — won’t be the last time. And I’ll say it again tonight.
It won’t be the last time. We will rebound.
August 17th, 20091:37 am
Geez N8, no need to sound happy and eager. We all know full well what the situation is. And who you calling a “homer”? I thought you really cared about this team and that is why you’ve been so negative all season long?
I will say that you are somewhat correct that Vazquez didn’t do much to counter the perception that he isn’t a big game pitcher. Conversely, Kawakami looks like he does have an extra gear in important games so it balances it out I think.
August 17th, 20091:39 am
Escobar has cooled off but then again he really hasn’t been coming up lately with runners on base in front of him which is where he really succeeds. Tonight he didn’t get it done but he still continues more times than not to have good at bats with people on base in front of him. I think he needs to bat no lower than 5th.
And you’re right, difference in this series is that when the Phillies got a hit it was big. Usually over the fence big or at least for extra bases. We had singles than flyouts. We need more from our big bats and Chipper seemed to be heating up but don’t know if he is hurt now. Also need Anderson to do more plus whoever our leadoff hitter will be.
August 17th, 20091:40 am
NO POWER, NO PLAYOFFS..Simple as THAT!!
Our best hitters are usually only good for warning track power
August 17th, 20091:45 am
“Q: Did you feel like the Braves had lost confidence in you when they sent you to the minors last year?
francoeur: Yeah. It was never the same after that. I’m sure I wasn’t giving them the best reason to be [confident], but after that happened, it just was different.”
–i really dont dislike jeff francoeur, but i do find him a bit fatuous. it’s like he believes in his ‘golden boy’ image a bit too much. the only mistake the braves made in sending him down was that they brought him back way too soon. he should have stayed in the minors the rest of the year. considering his numbers, his attitude about being sent to the minors was pretty awful.
August 17th, 20091:46 am
Game aftermath so awful I fell asleep. Had worst nightmare ever. Dad was Bobby Valentine and had thing going with sweet-love, Agnes Moorehead. As I jumped from chair I awakened…
August 17th, 20091:47 am
n8 does give you the impression that he’d rather us lose and say ‘i told you so’ than have us win….
August 17th, 20092:02 am
Here’s game story with quotes, which probably won’t be posted until after 4 a.m. Figured there might be some folks still up who’d like to see it with quotes:
By David O’Brien
Ryan Howard has been a Braves nemesis like few others in recent years, and he unloaded on them again Sunday night with a couple of mighty swings that gave Philadelphia a series win at Turner Field.
Howard hit a pair of home runs off Javier Vazquez to drive in all of Philadelphia’s runs in a 4-1 win against the Braves in a rain-delayed series finale that didn’t end until 12:28 a.m.
“He beat me today,” Vazquez (10-8) said of Howard, whose three-run homer in the sixth broke a tie and sent the pitcher to his first loss in eight starts. “He’s a powerful guy you’ve got to be careful with. I made two bad pitches.”
Howard also hit a ninth-inning homer off Rafael Soriano in the series opener Friday, giving him the distinction of having all the biggest blows for the Phillies in a series they won two games to one.
It’s not what the Braves had in mind when they entered the series with high hopes, riding a five-game winning streak and aiming to trim the Phillies’ lead in the National League East.
They had won seven of nine against Philadelphia while taking the first three series between the teams before this one.
“It doesn’t help [playoff ambitions],” Braves first baseman Adam LaRoche said after falling to six games behind the Phillies and 1-1/2 behind second-place Florida in the division, and to 3-1/2 games off the NL wild-card lead.
“Going into the series we would’ve liked to have taken at least two out of three,” LaRoche said. “It didn’t work out. Today it was [pitcher J.A.] Happ and Howard. He shut us down and Howard did what he does.”
NL Rookie of the Year candidate Happ (9-2) limited the Braves to one run and three hits in 7-2/3 innings, including a Matt Diaz homer in the fourth inning that tied the score after Howard’s leadoff homer in the second.
The left-hander issued six walks and hit a batter, but Happ worked out of jams by striking out Yunel Escobar with runners at second and third to end the first inning and getting Ryan Church on a bases-loaded fly to end the sixth.
The Braves left nine on base, but had runners in scoring position in only two innings.
“We had two run-scoring opportunities, and both of them came with two outs,” Braves manager Bobby Cox said. “We could have won all three [games]. The good thing is, we didn’t get swept. We lost one game in the standings.
“We’d rather have gained one.”
Howard quashed their plans with his three big home runs in the series, giving him 27 homers, 79 RBIs and .332 average in 78 career games against the Braves.
“When he’s hot, he’s as dangerous as anyone in the league,” Diaz said of Howard, who hit his 29th and 30th homers of the season, making him the fourth Phillies player to have least four 30-homer seasons.
His 91 RBIs include 29 to put his team ahead, ranking second in the league in that category.
Vazquez was stung by an 0-and-1 fastball on the first homer by Howard, a leadoff shot in the second inning. But the one that really hurt was the 1-and-0 changeup that Howard belted with two on and one out in the sixth.
It was a chest-high pitch that he muscled over the right-field fence, putting the Phillies ahead 4-1.
“He’s got 30 homers for a reason,” said Vazquez, who had been 5-0 in his past seven starts, and given up only three homers in his past nine starts.
Vazquez said there was no reason for the Braves to sulk after the loss. With 46 games to play — six against the Phillies — they are tied with Chicago for fourth in the wild-card standings, 3-1/2 games behind leader Colorado.
“There’s a lot of games to be played,” he said. “We’ve got to keep fighting. We’re playing well. We lost two games here; we could have won the first game. We’re right there in the wild card, and six games out in the East.”
Howard tied Dick Allen for third on the Phillies’ career list with his 20th multi-homer game, three coming against the Braves. His 12 homers in 39 games at Turner Field are tied with Shea Stadium for his most outside of Philadelphia.
August 17th, 20092:07 am
BravesfaninWisc: In all seriousness … you lost me about one sentence later. Not quite sure what the point was that you were making about Prado. Sorry, I guess it’s just late. I’m gonna get out of here. Stadiums at 2 a.m. are not cool.
kirkinga & jed, no I wouldn’t rather us lose so I can be right. It’s just not that difficult to be right when it comes to the Braves.
There is no denying that as of late (I think DOB stated since June 28th), the Braves have played good ball overall. All along that’s all I’ve ever asked.
This weekend (against the team we’re chasing and in a series that the Braves players called “big”), they quite simply didn’t play good baseball. Save a Brad Lidge meltdown, they would have gotten swept… at home. But in the end, they only lost a game in the standings to Philly.
But after them winning 5 of 6 against the Dodgers and Nats, I said that I’d refrain from drinking the playoff kool-aid until after the Philly series. I’m still waiting for a reason to pour myself a glass. Instead, I guess I’ll just have to eat my bowl of sad without anything to wash it down, huh?
It’s just case in point of what the Braves have done in recent years. Tease us a with a FANTASTIC series victory against (going into that series), the major’s best team, and then follow it up a few days later with a series loss against a team we NEED to beat, at home.
Say what you want about Vazquez, but the team is 13-11 in his starts, and he failed tonight in a huge “swing” game, with the season winding down. Doesn’t mean he sucks, or I hate him. Just stating facts.
The offense didn’t do anybody any favors either this weekend.
Bottom line is that the Phillies “leader” led them (in fact carried them) to 2 wins in 3 games in this series, and our leader went 2 for 11 with 1 HR and 2 RBI (1 for 7 with 0 & 0 in the 2 losses). Ryan Howard carried them to victory. Tip the hat and move on. But BOTH of those pitches by Vazquez were horrible pitches. Aces don’t make mistakes like that, much less make them twice in one game to the same guy.
But, I suppose I can see where one would complain that I only post when they lose. I wasn’t anywhere near a computer yesterday, and also wasn’t on Friday. Other wise I would have chimed in plenty for both games.
Besides, when they were winning last week and I was praising the sh!t out of them, nobody seemed to acknowledge that I wasn’t being negative. So why would I really give a flying puck who thinks what of “when” I post? I’m going to get accused of being negative regardless.
Only way for it to stop is for the Braves to shut me up by coming up big.
Do YOU think they have it in them, or am I the “problem” here?
August 17th, 20092:08 am
27 homers, 79 RBIs and .332 average in 78 career games against the Braves. . .
What the hell are we doing wrong against this guy, who’s hit .268, .251 and .270 (this year) over the past 3 years!
McDowell — you’ve got to be fresh from the lack of mound visits lately — start watching tape!
August 17th, 20092:16 am
Ryan Howard has been a Braves nemesis like few others in recent years DOB
Ya got that right! You know, I would not have second-guessed anyone if they’d walked Howard. In fact, my fool-proof strategy is to just walk Howard for the rest of the season when the time calls for it.
August 17th, 20092:18 am
Funny how these things work. A couple of series ago we were saying “If not for Soriano’s walkoff, we would have swept the Dodgers!!!” and now it’s “If not for that Lidge error, we would have been swept by Philadelphia …”
The good thing is that they don’t have time to sit around and feel sorry for themselves, they have to forget about this weekend and go out Monday afternoon and play again. And maybe in two weeks they can return the favor in Philly.
August 17th, 20092:20 am
“And who you calling a “homer”? I thought you really cared about this team and that is why you’ve been so negative all season long?” kirkinga
Meant to add this reply to the last post, but forgot. I refer to anybody that wants to argue why the Braves WILL make the playoffs as a homer. As opposed to those who argue that they could or might make the playoffs with some solid play, good luck and help from other teams.
You state that “We all know full well what the situation is.”
I don’t doubt that YOU do. But there are plenty others that want people to “bank” on the Braves winning, etc…
I pretty much always maintained that the season isn’t over until it’s over. But that I’m also VERY MUCH a guy who follows the “what have you done for me lately” theory. The reality is, is that lately (since June 28th), the Braves have done plenty for “me” (and all of us), by winning at a decent clip.
But this series was huge. And they laid a huge stink bomb. So, provided that you’re not going to rip me a new one and profess that the Braves WILL make the playoffs (and that I’m and idiot for not buying into that theory), you are NOT in the homer category.
Homers also fall into the category of people who insist that the umps, ESPN, Douchebag Dayn Perry, and Obama are out to get the Braves. They often make comments about how the ESPN anouncers are rooting for the Braves opponent (whoever that may be).
THOSE PEOPLE are who my rants are directed at. The people that play the “gotcha!” game in reverse. You know? Those who claim the Braves are playoff bound for sweeping a 2 game series against a team they SHOULD handle, like the Nats.
Anyhow. If you don’t classify yourself as a homer by my definition above, don’t get so defensive.
August 17th, 20092:25 am
“But BOTH of those pitches by Vazquez were horrible pitches. Aces don’t make mistakes like that, much less make them twice in one game to the same guy.”
I know, aces would never make mistakes twice in one game. I’m still trying to figure out how we beat Lincecum. He made no mistakes, Mac and Esco just hit the crap out of some good pitches he made.
And by the way for everyone else who wants to chime in and point out the obvious by saying Braves have no power and they are not a playoff team, as much was said about them at the beginning of the season.
If I recall most experts said the Braves would probably have the deepest rotation in the division but they had no true ace. There lineup would not have much power so why be shocked when we aren’t hitting them out like the phillies. Most picked us to finish 3rd in the division. I mean state the obvious some more, thats easy to do. Get on fans for hoping this team could do more, thats what you are suppose to do. You don’t have to drink the “kool-aid” but you can still hope that somehow these players and this team do exceed expectations. Doesn’t mean you are not in touch with reality. Just means that you are a fan of the team and you want them to do well. Only one team wins it all a year. When it comes down to it only one team really comes up Big.
Doesn’t matter if we make the playoffs this year. Even with a wild card we’re not going to beat Los Angeles, Philadelphia and the Yankees in succession. What a pipe dream. Right now we’re an 83-86 win team.
It’s more important for Wren & Co. to get an ACCURATE READ on who is a piece worth keeping and who is not. They must restore lefty-righty balance to the starting rotation and the starting lineup. We are desperate for a righthanded cleanup hitter. It will change the whole way our lineup is pitched to.
August 17th, 20092:33 am
and THAT team THIS year is gonna be our ATLANTA BRAVES! can i get a witness, N8R?!!!! HELLS YEAH!!
August 17th, 20092:34 am
Um…uh…can i get a Wit…ness…um…N8R?
oh never mind…
August 17th, 20092:36 am
N8, I have no idea what the heck you’re talking about with this “shutting you up” stuff. I didn’t say anything like that.
I just want to know why you sound happy when the Braves lose? You relish the role of bubble-buster and you know it…lol!
And this “aces don’t make mistakes” stuff? I can’t believe someone as knowledgeable about the game would make such a statement. There are mistakes made by every pitcher in every game. All you have to do is watch the catcher’s mitt . Not every mistake is hit and aces tend to get hurt less by their mistakes.
Besides, no one said that the Braves were stocked with aces. So why you would now start analyzing Vazquez as if he were ace is a mystery to me. When Lowe was signed this offseaason, I think there was a ton of discussion about how he was a #1 starter, but not an ace in the Smoltz, Peavy, Santana type mode.
So talking about any of the Braves starters as “aces” is way out there. They are all effective to very good, but “aces” they are not.
August 17th, 20092:44 am
Here’s a number crunch. Even though the WC standings say only 3.5 back, the reality is as follows. The Rockies (current WC leader) are on pace to win 89 games. Meaning that it will take around 90 wins to overtake the Rockies at their seasonal pace, and win the WC.
At 61-56 (.521), the Braves would need to go 29-16 (.644) to win 90 games. In the recent hot stretch (since June 28th), the Braves have gone 27-15. So they certainly have it in them to play a stretch of ball like that.
But can they play TWO stretches of baseball, back to back, at that pace? That is what it will have taken for them to win 90 games (who knows? Might take more. Might take less than that). Essentially, finishing the season 56-31 (.643), after having started the season 34-40 (.459).
The 93 team went 46-16 (.742) after acquiring McGriff. Not sure what it has to do with anything. But was just curious to check it out.
For what it’s worth, it doesn’t appear that ANY team this year, has put together a stretch of baseball, in which they played .644 baseball over 87 games.
So tell me again (besides blind faith/homerism/optimism), why OUR Braves have it in them to put together the best 87 game stretch in baseball this year, to catch and pass the Rockies?
Not trying to be an ass. Just curious, if anybody can seperate themselves from the rest of the people that want to cry “negativity” by some of us, who claim to be realistic, and back up your opinion with something other than your “gut”…. like I’ve just done.
These stats, standings and winning percentages don’t paint exactly what the future will hold (believe me, I remember what the Rockies did on their improbable run to the WS), but it gives us reasonable expectations of what to remotely expect.
Winning this past weekend series against the Phils would have gone a long way towards making the stretch run that lies ahead, not only a little easier, but statisticly speaking, a little more likely.
Meant to add this reply to the last post, but forgot. I refer to anybody that wants to argue why the Braves WILL make the playoffs as a homer.
Well ok, but like the aces thing, I just haven’t read any one saying those things…lol! I believe the Braves will remain in the thick of things and that it is possible they could make the playoffs, but that is far different than say that they will make them.
Besides, who cares? Why on Earth would it be noteworthy on a fan blog that some fans might believe their team will make the playoffs? I think that is a healthy attitude though potentially devastating should it not come true.
But I certainly hope that the Braves players have that attitude and belief don’t you?
August 17th, 20092:50 am
kirkinga, I wasn’t accusing you of telling me to shut up. I was just generally speaking to those who want to bust my balls. All the Braves have to do to get me to back off is win. It’s that simple.
jed, I’d love nothing more than for you to be correct. Just don’t think it’s going to happen. Wish I held your optimism.
The A-Bomb, totally agree with your 2:25 post. If they happen to earn their way to the playoffs this year (or sneak in by having 4 teams go all “Mets” on us and collapse), fine by me. But, you’re right. This team doesn’t have the balance to dominate short series that are about bench and bullpen matchups. Especially if Soriano is not healthy, and Greg Norton is on the roster.
We DO, however, have the starting pitching to keep us in ANY game, and even win against any team. But then again, we were “in” all three games this weekend and look what it got us, LOL!
We all know, that we have a competitive team, with a deep rotation, and when healthy, a solid bullpen, that will keep us in games. My question is do we have the team to win those games we’re “in”?
Time will tell.
August 17th, 20093:04 am
kirkinga, totally agree with you about the “aces” thing. But I find it hard to believe that you haven’t read any posts from bloggers claiming that Vazquez is “ace” material, or that he’s done “better than Hudson ever did”, type of nonsense.
I’m not denying that he’s had a fine season. He has. WAAAAY above my expectations for him. But he’s not an ace. Just my opinion.
As for the mistake pitches? Yeah. I’m aware that there are mistakes pitched all night long and most of the time a hitter misses them (you HAVE watched our hitters hit, right? LOL!), I’m also aware that many hits (and HR) are on “good” pitches.
How’s the old saying go? Not all outs are recorded on good pitches, and not all hits are on poor ones.
But my point, was in argument that Vazquez is an ace or a big game pitcher (a point many have argued when discussing Ozzie Guillen’s public ripping of him last year), and that an ace or big game pitcher would not miss in THAT situation (tie game 2 on) with THAT guy (Howard) at the plate. Just a horrible pitch, imo. Surely a good job of hitting. But a horrible pitch (and as DOB’s story stated – Vazquez said so himself).
Ultimately, another rookie shut us down. The offense is more to blame than Vazquez is. But giving up a 3-run Bomb (on that pitch) to Howard isn’t acceptable, with our offense struggling like it did all series.
I think you and I are confusing our definition of how the word ace is being thrown around. Many have stated that Vazquez is OUR ace (best pitcher on the staff THIS YEAR). Many are stating that he’s one of the best pitchers in the NL (maybe all of baseball). Many wanted to believe taht he is/was a big game pitcher.
For starters, I’m not sure he’s the best pitcher on the staff right now. Hanson has certainly held his own against him stat (and win) wise, since his callup. JJJ is tied with him for the rotation’s best ERA (2.99 – Hanson’s is 3.05).
In the end, my rambling doesn’t make much difference. Just conversing with you. Others will chime in (I would), but we’re just shootin’ the sh!t here. Bottom line, is the Braves just lost 2 of 3 to their division leader, and that also didn’t help in the WC standings.
The “why” doesn’t matter much. But what the hell else are we going to talk about?
August 17th, 20093:33 am
Well I agreed with you on Vazquez and pitching in big games. Yes, I’ve read the talk comparing Hudson and Vazquez and have found it interesting. While I would never ever say that Vazquez is the better pitcher, his performance to this point this season has been as impressive as any in Hudson’s tenure as a Brave so I think that is why people are making a giant leap in their comparison.
One thing they both have in common is that when they lose it, they both lose it quick. Hudson also has not been great against the Mets(4.56) or the Phils (4.02) the past 3 seasons. So there is no reason to believe he would have done any better tonight than Vazquez. Hudson does do well against the Marlins(2.69) and Nats(1.69) thank goodness.
It will be an interesting offseason to say the least. The Braves would be smart to pick up Hudson’s option that’s for sure.
August 17th, 20093:35 am
Sorry, I don’t buy those arguments that, “a team must go 29-16 to win the wild card” or whatever the number was, and therefore it’s not possible. Because, if they go on and win 8 of 10 again, then they only have to finish 21-14 which is do-able.
You asked the question, “Do the Braves have another streak in them?”
My answer is yes. As long as they have this pitching staff, then yes. This weekend was a speed bump, but they still have great pitching and a lineup that is capable of getting runners on base. Anything can happen. We’ll could gain 2 games on Philly by the end of the month. Do you think it’s impossible to gain 4 games on Philly in September?
August 17th, 20093:38 am
The plate discipline tonight sucked. Happ did walk 6 guys, but on other occasions, we didn’t swing at strikes. I saw a few people here post that the hitters should wait until Happ had 2 strikes on them. I agree with that. Force the guy to throw strikes to get ahead, and don’t swing at his junk when he’s not ahead. Kinda reminded me of Glavine tonight. He didn’t give in…our hitters did.
August 17th, 20095:06 am
But my point, was in argument that Vazquez is an ace or a big game pitcher (a point many have argued when discussing Ozzie Guillen’s public ripping of him last year), and that an ace or big game pitcher would not miss in THAT situation (tie game 2 on) with THAT guy (Howard) at the plate. Just a horrible pitch, imo. Surely a good job of hitting. But a horrible pitch (and as DOB’s story stated – Vazquez said so himself). (N8)
just can’y give up on knocking the guy can you?
August 17th, 20095:28 am
Tomahawkin (August 17th, 2009 12:31 am): “BallGame
“1 Run on 4 G-Damn Hits!
“After All this Hype coming into the series and the offense came out and looked like some Sucka Ass Clowns?
“I’m tempted to go Kick the TV!”
Maybe you should just kick yourself in the @ss, Clown:
Tomahawkin (August 14th, 2009 3:14 pm): “I Have a feeling that the off day will kill our momentum, but at the same time the team is well rested which is good…
“The Braves will at least take 2 of three “Bank On It!”
“We Will Slap Heavy B (Blanton) and drop tomorrows game…
“And I’m calling the Sunday Night game to be close but we overcome a deficit in the late innings and win 3-2
“Gonna Be a Hell Of a Series This Weekend!”
Tomahawkin (August 16th, 2009 2:36 pm): “I’m 25 And as you know I’m the Hypest Man On the Blogs Today! especially during game time
“Speaking of Hype Time To Bump some old Flava Flav and Public Enemy “Can’t Truss It!” “
August 17th, 20096:26 am
N8 (August 17th, 2009 3:04 am): “But my point, was in argument that Vazquez is an ace or a big game pitcher (a point many have argued when discussing Ozzie Guillen’s public ripping of him last year), and that an ace or big game pitcher would not miss in THAT situation (tie game 2 on) with THAT guy (Howard) at the plate.”
“an ace or big game pitcher would not miss in THAT situation” — really? Not ever?
That is an impossibly high standard, and one that likely has never been met.
You cannot legitimately incorporate that criterion into any valid definition of “Ace”.
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