1:30 pm August 12, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
August 12th, 20098:00 pm
I seriously doubt that the Braves will make a run at a Matt Holliday or Jason Bay this winter. I’m sure that Frank Wren is hoping for his opening day 2011 outfield to be Nate McLouth in left, Jordan Schafer in center, and Jason Heyward in right.
Whatever moves he makes this winter, I’m sure will be made with the goal of having that 2011 starting outfield. Giving a long term contract to a free agent outfielder would put a crimp into those plans.
Now if Frank Wren were to turn sour towards Schafer, then I could see him making an adjustment. However, Schafer can run like a deer, has a strong arm for a center fielder. The Braves will give him every chance to win the center field job and show that he can hit MLB pitching. And of course we all know about Heyward.
There will be plenty of “stop gap” outfielders that Frank Wren will be able to choose from to sign to a 1 year contract for the 2010 season.
August 12th, 20098:01 pm
“Young slugger Dunn hitting .278/.405/.570 with 30 bombs. Braves fans on O’Brien blog who said in offseason Francoeur a better option proven dead-wrong” end quote.
Supes = making stuff up = lying = MORON!!!!!!!!!!!
August 12th, 20098:03 pm
Florida has scored 2 runs to make it 6-2. I’m firmly in your camp now. I wanna see 15 runs scored or so for Houston.
D-Lowe really has to stop throwing so darn many balls.
August 12th, 20098:04 pm
And that would. I cann be annoying if I wanna be…Drive my family crazy sometimes…
…and I know you guys feel it, too.
I’d be OK if I never again saw Jordan Shafer in an Atlanta Braves uniform
August 12th, 20098:05 pm
Steve, no problem here…I always enjoy learning…something that I can do from quite a few people on here…and well, that I can’t do from quite a few others…;-)
And I did look at hid FIP of 3.78 coming into tonight…like that stat. Again, my problem stems more from the 16% of our payroll going to a guy that we are paying like a solid #1 for the next four years whose performance I think will decline…and what we could have done with that money. If we were the Sox, Yanks, Cubs, Dodgers, I would mind it as much…but, we still have to be somewhat responsible on how we spend our money…well, the Braves…as much as I would like to be, I guess I am still not yet involved in the spending of Liberty Media’s money.
Paul Lentz = Talking out of his a&& = Talking in circles = Contradicting himself = Posting the same stuff over and over and over again = OWNED MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 12th, 20098:06 pm
McFann, is our mann gonna do it tonight?
I didn’t know we ever had a player by that name…
Steve from OH
He’s actually rather confounding in his consistency given what we know about elements of luck involved in a hitter putting the ball in play.
That’s a really good point. He’s maintained almost unnaturally steady BABIP, LD, GB and FB rates throughout his career. But the not walking much at all and the lack of good power are big dents in his value. Yeah, he gets a lot of RBI and does the sac fly thing really well and people tend to overlook the former because of the latter, but he’s just not as valuable as someone that does get on base a lot and hit for a lot of power.
P.S.–yes, I am aware that he is playing much better lately. DOB pointed that out to me the other day. But he was absolutely putrid for the first few months he played, and that did account for 40% of his overall PA. There’s a bunch of value you ain’t gettin’ back.
August 12th, 20098:07 pm
McCann hit that one faaaaaaaaar.
Only a triple and a single to go for GA!
Doesn’t look like it so far…again…
Hey, GA’s 2-2. Need to get him up with some freakin’ men on base!!
i wouldn’t be opposed to starting the year with a McLouth, Anderson/Church/Diaz outfield. Shafer is not a major leaguer. Sorry, Shafer fans….but he’s not. Heyward is still only 20. If he comes up next year, it will be a mid season call up. Anderson would have to sign for cheap again, though.
GA gets bumped from the 3-hole and starting hitting again… Cox…you paying attention?
There we go Loaf…! Man, he has been Clowning over the last 2 months!
August 12th, 20098:08 pm
Anderson 2 for 2. Having a really good night. Anyone think he’ll hit for the cycle? Just needs a single and a triple now.
No team would be able to intentionally walk Brian McCann right now, he would swing at the first three balls… That guy’s swinging at everything no matter how bad, low, outside, high, inside the pitch is…
Yeah, boy! Thought that was gonna be a homer for a minute there…
But no. Robbed again.
JasonInFL…………I feel that the experience that both Hanson and Medlen got from spending time in Triple A earlier this season helped them. There was simply no way that the Braves were going to have both of them starting at the MLB level with seeing them pitch in Triple A first.
Name me one team that had 2 pitchers start the season in the rotation, without having pitched at Triple A, that ended up having a good season?
You seem to FORGET the nightmares that our starting rotation gave us. Frank Wren set out to sign HEALTHY, DURABLE, DECENT, INNING EATERS this past winter. He traded for Vazquez and signed both Lowe and Kawakami.
Actually, the Braves spent less on starting pitching then we did last year (even counting Hudson”s $13 mil this year). What killed the Braves for the first 2 months of the season was KELLY JOHNSON, JEFF FRANCOEUR, and JORDAN SCHAFER. No one could have predicted that all 3 would SUCK A$$ at the plate.
Meanwhile, once again Garret is showing how “below average” he is.
August 12th, 20098:09 pm
As if on cue…
Paul, the same challenge as always…prove it, big guy.
“Supes and Paul’s internet argument lame, experts say.”
August 12th, 20098:10 pm
Heath – GA only hits third with no Chipper, but I also suspect where he hits at this age has little effect on what he does.
Enter your comments hereI wish there was some sort of formula to help me figure out why Lentz uses all caps when he does. My mind is boggled…
Kris Medlen's Smoking Hot Girlfriend
Does anyone remember the last time McFann said something funny or insightful? Dude is either 13, a chick, or a dude-chick. Enough with the smileys.
I got it…BMac’s not gonna break his slump until Joe and Boog break their slump with the trivia Q, right?
August 12th, 20098:11 pm
yes Paul, I agree that our offense hurt us at the beginning of the year. you have to throw Loaf in there as well…at the beginning of the year. i think you are helping me with my point…we had enough pitching, but not enough offense…isn’t that what you basically just typed…and isn’t that what i basically am arguing?
August 12th, 20098:12 pm
Apparently lil Med’s girlfriend is new here…yes, she is a “chick.”
Kris Medlen’s Not-So-Smokin’ girlfriend, leave McFann alone. She’s one of our coolest bloggers.
August 12th, 2009
Sarcasm just doesn’t get conveyed very well on the blog…
“Does anyone remember the last time McFann said something funny or insightful? Dude is either 13, a chick, or a dude-chick. Enough with the smileys.”
…..says the person with the most mature poster name on the blog
Mr Paul Lentz,
I appreciate the faith and trust you have in me, to come in and pitch the 7th inning when the big league club activates me and places me on the roster, but I’m really more of a starter, plus I also need to prove to the team, the organization, Mr Frank Wren and you that I can handle being a part of the starting rotation for the 2010 season.
August 12th, 20098:13 pm
Dude is either 13, a chick, or a dude-chick.
David from Equatorial Guinea
Fellow Braves fans, just want you all to know there’s an old Braves fan (40 years following the team) following the game via Internet from my apartment located in the middle of a jungle in Equatorial Guinea, West-Central Africa. Right now its 8:14 PM (EST), 1:14 AM local (5-hour difference). The way the Braves are playing, I don’t mind sleep deprivation and going to bed at 2:30 AM on weekdays. GO BRAVES!
McFann is my girl. Don’t take any sh*t from prick. By the way, Medlen, thanks for YOUR insightful, baseball filled comment.
August 12th, 20098:14 pm
DP: “Hey Pete, you’ve had a logical reply but you don’t want to hear it. Leibrandt had a good year for the Braves, won 15 games. He was well rested. He wasn’t a situational lefty out of the bullpen, he was used to pitching to righthanded and lefthanded hitters. The 2 best relievers had already gone 2 innings each. Leibrandt could have potentially gone 4 or 5 innings. He started the 11th with no men on base, what he was used to as a starter.”
DP you have me confused with another poster. All my comments about Leibrandt referred to his being named Game 1 starter (which about 90% of fans dont realize) and never mentioned Leibrandt in his relief role.
Heath – sorry – I clearly missed it – very embarrassing given that I’ve suffered similarly over the season.
how many pitches for lowe so far? i know the first inning he threw a lot but since then it has seemed he hasnt had to work all that hard…
D-Lo Dealing after that semi-rough 1st inning…So far that DP in the first inning was the biggest play of the game…!
Kris Medlen’s Smoking Hot Girlfriend, move on…
seriously, it astounds me that of all the crap the people type on here, and i mean some of the worst stuff i have seen written on any blog (a few repetitive, useless posters), and some come on here and want to start analyzing/commenting on one of the more insightful, passionate, and pleasant bloggers on here.
get a life…
August 12th, 20098:15 pm
Okay DOB, here’s a chance for you or some other knowledgeable fan to shine. On LaRoche’s pop up in foul territory that Dunn called, Boog said that the infield fly rule was in effect. My belief is that the umpire did not call it because you cannot deek the runners by dropping a foul ball like you could if it were popped up in fair territory. Can anyone shed a little light on what I believe was just Boog talking to be talking.
Eh, those jerks don’t bother me…just find it rude that they suddenly decided to pick on me when my mann’s in the middle of his worst slump ever.
They would kick a fann when she’s down…
Liebrant is actually the answer to a pretty importan NL East trivia question. Anyone know it?
August 12th, 20098:16 pm
Infield fly is not in effect if the ball lands foul Jerald IIRC.
Don’t worry, McFann, pretty much everyone on here has your back, little sis.
Alright, thank God. Thank you for clearing that up.
August 12th, 20098:17 pm
2-0 Phillies top 1st
Don’t worry, just nothing we can do about some of the people on here calling people dumb (or worse) for no good reason. It is supposed to be a blog that unites us for our love of Braves baseball, BBQ, and music…but….
and Steve, I know you like other stats, but you have to admit that a WHIP of 1.40 is not very good, yes?
Did anyone else notice, that on LaRoche’s foul out to the 1B that the ump invoked the infield fly rule? Further proof these guys don’t know what they are doing. The IFR applies only to fair balls. It was intended to prevent a fielder from intentionally dropping a ball to get a DP or TP. MLB umps have no clue anymore.
The NL Central has ZERO pitching….Cubs are starting a former Notre Dame WR for crying out loud
McFann, Is one of the Fans that has been on this blog since day one…!
If anyone disses her then they are dissin me…!
That one post was uncalled for…!
Good quick inning by D-Lowe.
Come on Offense, Pick up some more runs!
yeah leave McFann alone!
August 12th, 20098:18 pm
Happens… where’s our buddy anyway?
Thanks. Yeah, I don’t worry about people like that…they can’t hurt me.
Last year, the Braves paid John Smoltz $14 mil, Tom Glavine $8 mil, Mike Hampton $15 mil, Tim Hudson $13 mil, and Jair Jurrjens $390K. That is a total of $51.39 mil.
This year, the Braves are paying Derek Lowe $15 mil, Javier Vazquez $11.5 mil, Tim Hudson $13 mil, Kenshin Kawakami $7.67 mil, Jair Jurrjens $450K, Tom Glavine $1 mil, and Tommy Hanson $400K. That’s a total of $49 mil.
If you take out Hudson’s wasted $13 mil, then we are paying $36 mil for EXCELLENT starting pitching this year. Last year we paid over $51 mil for GARBAGE starting pitching.
I dont think Garret can get the triple, he would have to have a good bounce in the corner
August 12th, 20098:19 pm
Your rally turtles, double n’s, screename, love for B Mac…they’re all quite awesome, really.
I think Kris Medlen’s Smoking Hot Girlfriend is just jealous her man isn’t an all star or have a big contract yet.
Zimmerman made that look easy!
“but he’s just not as valuable as someone that does get on base a lot and hit for a lot of power.”
I think you’re blurring a couple of discussions at once here. I’m an OBP/OPS guy. I completely agree with the thought that he’s only had a couple of seasons where he was superlative in terms of overall production. That’s a side conversation to the fact that he has a remarkable ability to hit at a certain level each and every season, even moreso when we factor in how streaky he is. In terms of what he’s given the Braves, I’m quite satisfied, though. There were better options on the market, but we couldn’t afford them. So, what he gives us is enough for me.
Usually, an umpire well yell “infield fly, if fair,” in that situation. That way, the runners know the rule is in effect, but the fielder knows that it’s only in effect if the ball is in fair territory.
Heath – our buddy is just being quiet this evening
paul, are you making a point?
August 12th, 20098:21 pm
Yeah, best thing to do is just ignore them.
Thanks, Tomahawkin, VaBravesFan. I haven’t quite been here since day one–this is my second season. Started November, 2007…
OK, back to the game…
don’t u EH HEH me!!!!! lol
It’ll be interesting to see how Pedro performs….about to deliver his first pitch (in about 2 minutes).
Here’s to hit party for the Cubbies!!!
This game has turned into a pitcher’s duel.
JimD – he called IFF….but pointed toward fair territory, meaning if its fair its an IFF
August 12th, 20098:22 pm
Haha, thanks, DirtyYuni.
Jason–it’s pretty much exactly average (league average WHIP is 1.39). If you’re going to talk stats that account for (directly or indirectly) batting average, you’ve gotta take into account BABIP. Lowe walks fewer batters per nine than the league but his BABIP is above average for a pitcher (generally not something that a pitcher is said to have control over) so this inflates his WHIP a bit, but I’d be remiss if I didn’t note that it’s not exorbitantly high. Still, it is what it is and yes, not good considering his contract, but you would expect it to be lower in the future with average luck.
Blum drops a pop up. Marlins 2 on, no one out.
Thanks Steve, I thought that was the case. Now, I would actually like to know if the umpire did call infield fly. I kinda doubt it. I’m also amazed that Simpson didn’t tell Boog during the commercial break so that he could come back to live action riggle free of his mistake.
JasonInFL …………the point is that Frank Wren wanted to make extra sure that our starting pitching wasnt going to be a weakness this year. He didnt budget that much to improve the offense this past winter because he expected MUCH MORE from Francoeur, Kelly and Schafer.
However, when it became apparent that neither of those 3 were going to help us much this year, Frank Wren went about to make changes. He started with the McLouth trade, got Bobby to finally start Prado, and with the Francoeur trade. All 3 changes were made without adding much to the Braves payroll.
August 12th, 20098:23 pm
Evening gentlemen Yup- just taking it easy tonight- don’t feel the need to post much but I’m around. Always nice to see my guy Garret get one out
Isnt this the same guy we hit 2 homers off of in the 2nd inning? Now all the sudden he is Cy Fricking Young
You see, that’s the beauty behind those “type of posts”….they have no point but they sure are entertaining!
August 12th, 20098:24 pm
ll my comments about Leibrandt referred to his being named Game 1 starter (which about 90% of fans dont realize) and never mentioned Leibrandt in his relief role. (Pete)
so if he didn’t start game one he woulda started game 2. so what? a lot of hot air about nothing, certainly nothing provable. just your opinion against someone elses. 17 years is a long time to still fixated on it.
Oh, and Kris Medlen’s Crazy Girlfriend-
What is wrong with smiley faces?
(sorry all…couldn’t resist )
August 12th, 20098:25 pm
Tim Hudson………I’m not interested in giving you “welfare pitching starts” in order to give you a chance to “prove” that you are worth your 2010 option. I am more INTERESTED in seeing the Braves put the best team out there. And if that means using your A$$ in the bullpen to short up our short relief corps……..then that is where your A$$ will pitch. If someone gets hurt in the starting rotation, then yes I’ll give your begging A$$ a start. Until then, it’s the bullpen for you.
When I meant “Day one” I meant from the start of the season. I know that you were on here beyond that…
You know as well as I do that this blog was full after the first 2 games of the season. All those Frontrunning fans were on this blog like crazy, And If the braves get hot within the next 4 weeks they will be back.
The Bird and Indian
UNCBrave: Rich Harden, Carlos Zambrano, Roy Oswalt, Wandy Rodriguez, Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright, Yovani Gallardo, Zach Duke, and Edison Volquez (when healthy). Come on now.
Notice Kris’ non-girlfriend has disappeared?
Geez……….. the Braves should be clobbering this guy right now. Way too many impatient at bats tonight by the Braves. Loaf has done well by waiting for Stammen to screw up & it’s paid off. They easily should have some more runs if the rest of the team would quit swinging for the fence every pitch.
August 12th, 20098:26 pm
Can’t keep this guy off base can we?
Uh, in case some of you dont get my 8:25pm posting, I was just having fun with the person who posted as “Tim Hudson” during their 8:12pm posting.
“paul, are you making a point?”
It’s bad when high priced pitchers hurt their arms.
I think we should all write that down.
This is getting on my nerves. Can’t Bobby just put Kelly in already so we can score 6-8 runs and get a comfortable lead?
and Steve, I know you like other stats, but you have to admit that a WHIP of 1.40 is not very good, yes? (Jason)
I like WHIP, and 1.40 ain’t so good.
uggla down swinging
August 12th, 20098:27 pm
A couple of timely DPs tonight.
Well, at least Nyjer didn’t steal
That was a gift. If Guzeman had taken a few Morgan would be standing on second base right now.
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