1:30 pm August 12, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
August 12th, 20097:38 pm
I think Lowe was the best pitcher available when they offered him the contract. The Braves did the right thing by signing him rather than giving up the world for Jake Peavy (currently on the DL) or any other pitcher available.
I WOULD rather have Lowe and his $15 mil/yr over JoJo Reyes, Charlie Morton, or any minor league pitcher in their system.
Hugh E. Wreckshin
There is no such thing as clutch hitters.
Hitting, yes. Hitters, no. Sick of all these BS about somebody being “clutch.” As A’s GM Billy Beane said: “it’s [expletive] luck.”
if so a whole bunch of us including RHR,Scoots,RG,Randon,Braveheart and even lil’ ol’ moi would almost never be able to post. nolie
I think he’s hoping that RHR and I won’t post anymore.
Loafy Loaf! Yeahhhhh!
LOAF!!!! This Is How We Do It!!!!
Nova Scotia Steve
Anderson with the professional bomb!
August 12th, 20097:39 pm
1-1 on ga homer
Steve in OH…………I can see how Garret is “below average”.
Steve from OH
I swear, everytime I bash on GA he goes out and does something good…
yay for GA!!
Woo hoo. Professional home run there folks.
Attention MLB pitchers…Garret Anderson can STILL turn on a fastball!
LOAF turn on that biatch and watch it fly!
ANDERSON FOR CLEANUP!!
Too bad he didn’t get to bat in the last inning…
Steve from OH,
Bash away my friend.
August 12th, 20097:40 pm
We are hitting this guy hard….Prado, McCann, Escobar, Anderson all hit the ball hard
God bless you Paul Lentz, I knew you’d come with that (of course, without the corresponding facts).
August 12th, 20097:41 pm
I’m laughing every time I look at that Morgan kid in CF. Him and that fat dip tucked in his lip just looks funny, not to mention that “I’m so cool” strut he has going. Do people seriously not realize how stupid they look?
You tryin’ to rub it in?
If not, thanks…but I highly doubt I could convince Bobby of anything–I’m having a hard time convincing myself of very much right now…
“I swear, everytime I bash on GA he goes out and does something good…”
I under the sabermetrician’s dislike of some aspects of his game, but he is the breathing definition of a professional hitter.
August 12th, 20097:42 pm
Roachy too! Woo hoo!
There We Go Roachy!!!
Add Laroache to that hitting the ball hard list!
HR derby tonight for the Bravos.
Eric from MO
Alright lets go Braves!
LaROCHE FOR CLEANUP!!
Buffalo, I will agree with you there…I also would have rather have signed Lowe than trade top prospects for Peavy (although, I have to admit I wasn’t hesitant to include Esco at the time…which I since have flip-flopped on!), but personally; I would have rather of not done either…because of the total dollars and length of the contract…that’s all I am saying. I like D-Lowe…and I think he is a good pitcher. I just think it limits us in future years. I would rather have Hudson, Javy, Jair, Tommy, <>, and say a Jason Bay next year…
Why did we trade for Adam?
TEEEEE OFFFFF tonight!!!!
Roachy!!! I called it!!!
stammons will not be in to face this whole line up twice.
braves lead 2-1
True Braves Fans
Take that NATS!
Way to Sleepy, jacked that one
Full Extension folks…his name is Adam LaRoache…and he’s your 1st baseman!
A thing of beauty.
Steve from OH-
You’re definitely right about Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg. He’s the definition of amazing.
I love how some wait until after a homerun to proclaim Loaf Anderson good.
A .737 OPS corner outfielder just isn’t that special.
As Neyer wrote just yesterday: “Garret Anderson, who’s batting .284 (as usual) but doing (as usual) very little else” end quote.
August 12th, 20097:43 pm
Anderson and LaRoche “talking” in the dug-out…I’m sure that’s an energized conversation.
HORRIBLE AB by Diaz
August 12th, 20097:44 pm
Matt ”I swing at everything” Diaz with the momentum killing K.
Matty and the rightys……….sheeesh!
Supes……….I “love” how you keep lying about what people say. I never said that Tim Hudson should be a “mop up guy”.
One more time, for a MORON like you, I’ll say………Tim Hudson would be a good option to close a ball game on days when Soriano and Gonzalez arent available, particularly if the Braves need a 2 inning save. Or if some tough right handed hitters are coming up in the 8th inning of a game, then Hudson could come in and pitch the 8th, setting the table for Soriano to close the 9th.
Again, how is being used as an important short reliever anywhere close to being a “mop up bullpen guy”? I guess you arent intelligent enough to see the difference.
Meanwhile, LaRoche has once again shown what a fool Frank Wren is.
Neyer sucks .. just saying
GA and Roachy remind me of the turtles in the Internet commercial …
August 12th, 20097:45 pm
Well played, Couch Tater</strong, well played.
hey, guys i am new to the braves blog, usually i am typing away at the thrashers blog, bu i needed a change. wow!! u guys hav a lot of comments! great work guys!!!! wow larochey, great play! lowe, hmmm, hard words to talk about. he is a mixed bag of tricks. kk had a AWESOME LA game!!! he shocked me out of my seat!
Why isn’t Church playing!!!???
I have some concerns about how fangraphs converts wins to dollars. Particularly, the fact that they assume that the cost per win increases linearly, whereas noted (by the blog, at least!) economist JC Bradbury thinks it increases on a curve i.e. teams will pay x dollars for a one win player but more than 4x dollars for a 4 win player (follow? Poorly worded I admit). Now, my knowledge of economics is…um…nonexistant, but it makes sense.
For instance, according to Bradbury, the Yankees will pay more per marginal win than, say, the Pirates because there’s no difference for the Pirates between 72 and 82 wins in terms of making the playoffs, but there may be a huge difference between 92 and 93 wins for the Yankees. So that 11.5MM figure that fangraphs has for D-Lowe may be an underestimate.
And, the season’s not over, and innings pitched goes into that calculation, so if he keeps pitching well down the stretch his overall dollars will go up closer to 15MM too.
August 12th, 20097:46 pm
Mixxo, he is…McLouth isn’t
Nope…no rubbing. I just thought if anyone could convince Bobby, it would be McCann’s biggest fann.
Mixxo, Church is playing according to the line up on GameDay.
August 12th, 20097:47 pm
he lead off the game for the Braves …..
My bad. I missed the lineup.
kk had a AWESOME LA game!!! he shocked me out of my seat!
yeah it made me s*it my pants as well
“Laid-back players laid off by fans after back-to-back bombs” end quote.
lol Riggleman’s reaction yesterday was priceless after that Nats coach got ejected.
What’s wrong with Nate…..again?
August 12th, 20097:48 pm
Nice To Keep Morgan off the bases…!
Nova Scotia, probably went something like this:
GA… “what’d he throw you, dawg”?
AL… “mmmm,(5 second pause) just a breaker”.
August 12th, 2009
August 12th, 20097:49 pm
When is important too. Granted, you can’t reliably predict it-not that you can really reliably predict any single event- but it sure as hell is important when it happens. Not everything that’s important is quantifiable. And that’s from a 50 year stats enthusiast. So there ! :p
Astros up 5-0 early but … since it’s Florida … I won’t look at that as a good thing, right now anyways.
Why is Chipper so tight??? Guzman will not bunt
Another DP…Keep Em Coming!!!
Six, Fo’, Three. Gotta love ‘em.
August 12th, 20097:50 pm
JasonInFL…….if the Braves didnt “over pay” for Lowe, who do you think that Braves would have been able to sign? Oliver Perez? John Garland? Jamie Moyer?
Why dont you go back and see who was available as free agents last year after Sabathia and Burnett signed with the Yankees? If you do, you’ll find that there is a HUGE DROP OFF from Derek Lowe to what garbage was left after the Braves signed him.
So in other words, if the Braves didnt sign Lowe, they get off to even a worse start then we did. I seriously doubt that the Braves would have been comfortable with starting both Jo Jo Reyes and Kris Medlen (the Braves were not going to start Hanson in the rotation no matter what to begin the season).
Gone Viral–overall, the ONLY thing Garret has done well is hit for average. There’ve been a lot of people on base ahead of him (coughChipperandMcCanncough) he’s gotten a lot of RBI simply for that reason. He’s done nothing else of note (again, overall) and is a pretty bad fielder (big consideration) and I think it goes without saying our record would be 1-2 games better with a league-average LF.
And there aren’t too many phrases I hate more than “professional hitter.”
Why isn’t Kotchman playing?
August 12th, 20097:51 pm
Nova Scotia Steve -
August 12th, 20097:52 pm
Yeah, I follow that Stevo…may not be on my way to being a doctor (medical), but I can comprehend.
And, let’s make it known that I truly hope I am wrong…I really do. But, I don’t think Lowe will be worth 15 mill this year…let alone next year, or the year after, or the year after that. Again, I rather have Hudson, Javy, Jair, Tommy Gun, <>, and 15 mill…
I, too, and no economist. But, I think that many teams will get a much better ROI on money spent than we will on the 60 million spent on D-Lowe.
Tomahawkin (August 12th, 2009 7:27 pm): “You wanna Raise Me in my saying that Chipper hasn’t been clutch this year…?”
I said my piece, and I stand by it. Read it and weep.
Or refute it, if you can. (Which you can’t.)
WHAT nebulous, IneffaBle, efferVescent Criteria would you proposE by which to measure his clucthi-osity, anyway? SoMething you totally make up?
August 12th, 2009
Is 6-0 ’stros a good thing?… Just kidding.
Nats aiming to get a couple of guys into double digits in double plays tonight.
At least Lowe is getting the ground balls to go right to his defense when he puts runners on.
August 12th, 20097:53 pm
That was a pretty nice catch.
What? I didn’t know what you meant. Hence the “Huh?”
“Chipper chipper as Braves blow past Nats” end quote.
August 12th, 20097:54 pm
Is 6-0 ’stros a good thing?… Just kidding.
they scored 6 runs in only two innings yesterday, so it’ll have to be more than that. 15 sounds like a good high number.
Jason–oh, I just added that because I couldn’t come up with a good way to say it and I thought it was kind of hard to follow the way I said it…
Oh, and they use FIP instead of ERA as their way of valuing his performance, and his FIP is lower than his ERA, so that’s something to consider too…
August 12th, 20097:55 pm
“Options after Lowe low this previous offseason” end quote.
Chipper go the freaking other way…
August 12th, 20097:56 pm
LOL @ 7:48. OMG!
Teheran seems to have adjusted to Rome. 7 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 2 K, 0 BB.
But, I think that many teams will get a much better ROI on money spent than we will on the 60 million spent on D-Lowe.
I can buy this though. Just like how some of the saber stats say Rios is worth his contract. Yeah, a savvy club might be able to get a better return on that cash but having Lowe has been a big boost to our rotation all year too, and that’s been our strength…
Haha, thanks…if nothing else, he’d change it just to get me off his back…
Zimmerman has a 15-game hitting streak now, and Guzman 17….weren’t kidding about this lineup being hot….
August 12th, 20097:57 pm
August 12th, 2009
You could be on to something…
Paul Lentz = OWNED once again…keep on MORON.
Sure is entertaining on a slow night, not much happening in the game yet.
Have tons of time to check out your repeated drivel of postings!
August 12th, 20097:58 pm
That’s about as uncomfortable and bad as Chipper has looked this entire season at the dish against a pitcher he’s never faced before. 2 bad at bats…let’s hope he gets this guy figured out next time up.
August 12th, 2009
August 12th, 20097:59 pm
Paul, as with most decisions, you can’t isolate the Lowe signing and study it in a vacuum. Relative to cost, maybe Medlen would have had more value to the Braves. Then, when you factor in what the Braves would have done with that $15 mill…as you say, look back… and see what hitters were signing for…how about Abreau/Dunn for that $15/mill? (and no, I am not a big Dunn fan). We were 8-8 and the first 16 games started by D-Lowe. Relative to current cost and future cost, I just don’t think Lowe was a good decision.
“And there aren’t too many phrases I hate more than “professional hitter.””
Sometimes, it applies. Throughout his career, he’s never been a walks guy yet he’s somehow always around .300 by the end of the season. You may not like the term, but there is no other way to describe him. He’s actually rather confounding in his consistency given what we know about elements of luck involved in a hitter putting the ball in play.
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