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Buffalo NY Braves Fan
August 12th, 2009
7:38 pm
JasonInFL,
I think Lowe was the best pitcher available when they offered him the contract. The Braves did the right thing by signing him rather than giving up the world for Jake Peavy (currently on the DL) or any other pitcher available.
I WOULD rather have Lowe and his $15 mil/yr over JoJo Reyes, Charlie Morton, or any minor league pitcher in their system.
Hugh E. Wreckshin
August 12th, 2009
7:38 pm
There is no such thing as clutch hitters.
Hitting, yes. Hitters, no. Sick of all these BS about somebody being “clutch.” As A’s GM Billy Beane said: “it’s [expletive] luck.”
Roman Gal
August 12th, 2009
7:38 pm
if so a whole bunch of us including RHR,Scoots,RG,Randon,Braveheart and even lil’ ol’ moi would almost never be able to post. nolie
I think he’s hoping that RHR and I won’t post anymore.
Soph
August 12th, 2009
7:38 pm
Loafy Loaf! Yeahhhhh!
Tomahawkin
August 12th, 2009
7:38 pm
LOAF!!!! This Is How We Do It!!!!
Nova Scotia Steve
August 12th, 2009
7:38 pm
Anderson with the professional bomb!
TnBrian
August 12th, 2009
7:38 pm
LOAF!
Vinings Jim
August 12th, 2009
7:38 pm
GA!!!
Mixxo
August 12th, 2009
7:39 pm
LOAF!!!
Jerry
August 12th, 2009
7:39 pm
1-1 on ga homer
Paul Lentz
August 12th, 2009
7:39 pm
Steve in OH…………I can see how Garret is “below average”.
Steve from OH
August 12th, 2009
7:39 pm
I swear, everytime I bash on GA he goes out and does something good…
chris
August 12th, 2009
7:39 pm
yay for GA!!
Heath
August 12th, 2009
7:39 pm
Woo hoo. Professional home run there folks.
Supes
August 12th, 2009
7:39 pm
LOAF!
Attention MLB pitchers…Garret Anderson can STILL turn on a fastball!
LOAF turn on that biatch and watch it fly!
McFann :Ô:
August 12th, 2009
7:39 pm
ANDERSON FOR CLEANUP!!
Too bad he didn’t get to bat in the last inning…
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
August 12th, 2009
7:39 pm
Steve from OH,
Bash away my friend.
Nova Scotia Steve
August 12th, 2009
7:40 pm
We are hitting this guy hard….Prado, McCann, Escobar, Anderson all hit the ball hard
BravesFanChris24
August 12th, 2009
7:40 pm
LOAF!
Steve from OH
August 12th, 2009
7:40 pm
God bless you Paul Lentz, I knew you’d come with that (of course, without the corresponding facts).
nolie
August 12th, 2009
7:40 pm
LOAF !!!!
TnBrian
August 12th, 2009
7:41 pm
I’m laughing every time I look at that Morgan kid in CF. Him and that fat dip tucked in his lip just looks funny, not to mention that “I’m so cool” strut he has going. Do people seriously not realize how stupid they look?
McFann :Ô:
August 12th, 2009
7:41 pm
Heath–
You tryin’ to rub it in?
If not, thanks…but I highly doubt I could convince Bobby of anything–I’m having a hard time convincing myself of very much right now…
Gone Viral
August 12th, 2009
7:41 pm
“I swear, everytime I bash on GA he goes out and does something good…”
I under the sabermetrician’s dislike of some aspects of his game, but he is the breathing definition of a professional hitter.
BravesFanChris24
August 12th, 2009
7:41 pm
LaRoche!
Soph
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
Roachy too! Woo hoo!
Tomahawkin
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
C YA….!
There We Go Roachy!!!
Nova Scotia Steve
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
Add Laroache to that hitting the ball hard list!
Mixxo
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
Roachy!!!!!
TnBrian
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
HR derby tonight for the Bravos.
Eric from MO
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
Alright lets go Braves!
McFann :Ô:
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
LaROCHE FOR CLEANUP!!
JasonInFL
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
Buffalo, I will agree with you there…I also would have rather have signed Lowe than trade top prospects for Peavy (although, I have to admit I wasn’t hesitant to include Esco at the time…which I since have flip-flopped on!), but personally; I would have rather of not done either…because of the total dollars and length of the contract…that’s all I am saying. I like D-Lowe…and I think he is a good pitcher. I just think it limits us in future years. I would rather have Hudson, Javy, Jair, Tommy, <>, and say a Jason Bay next year…
Vinings Jim
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
Why did we trade for Adam?
VaBraveFan
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
TEEEEE OFFFFF tonight!!!!
Jalb3rt
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
Roachy!!! I called it!!!
Wes
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
stammons will not be in to face this whole line up twice.
Jerry
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
braves lead 2-1
True Braves Fans
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
Take that NATS!
Bat Masterson
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
Way to Sleepy, jacked that one
Supes
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
Full Extension folks…his name is Adam LaRoache…and he’s your 1st baseman!
A thing of beauty.
Roman Gal
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
Steve from OH-
You’re definitely right about Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg. He’s the definition of amazing.
Hugh E. Wreckshin
August 12th, 2009
7:42 pm
I love how some wait until after a homerun to proclaim Loaf Anderson good.
A .737 OPS corner outfielder just isn’t that special.
As Neyer wrote just yesterday: “Garret Anderson, who’s batting .284 (as usual) but doing (as usual) very little else” end quote.
Nova Scotia Steve
August 12th, 2009
7:43 pm
Anderson and LaRoche “talking” in the dug-out…I’m sure that’s an energized conversation.
UNCBrave
August 12th, 2009
7:43 pm
HORRIBLE AB by Diaz
Jalb3rt
August 12th, 2009
7:44 pm
Matt ”I swing at everything” Diaz with the momentum killing K.
Mixxo
August 12th, 2009
7:44 pm
Matty and the rightys……….sheeesh!
Paul Lentz
August 12th, 2009
7:44 pm
Supes……….I “love” how you keep lying about what people say. I never said that Tim Hudson should be a “mop up guy”.
One more time, for a MORON like you, I’ll say………Tim Hudson would be a good option to close a ball game on days when Soriano and Gonzalez arent available, particularly if the Braves need a 2 inning save. Or if some tough right handed hitters are coming up in the 8th inning of a game, then Hudson could come in and pitch the 8th, setting the table for Soriano to close the 9th.
Again, how is being used as an important short reliever anywhere close to being a “mop up bullpen guy”? I guess you arent intelligent enough to see the difference.
Meanwhile, LaRoche has once again shown what a fool Frank Wren is.
Jerry
August 12th, 2009
7:44 pm
Neyer sucks .. just saying
MZ
August 12th, 2009
7:44 pm
GA and Roachy remind me of the turtles in the Internet commercial …
Random
August 12th, 2009
7:45 pm
Well played, Couch Tater</strong, well played.
lee
August 12th, 2009
7:45 pm
hey, guys i am new to the braves blog, usually i am typing away at the thrashers blog, bu i needed a change. wow!! u guys hav a lot of comments! great work guys!!!! wow larochey, great play! lowe, hmmm, hard words to talk about. he is a mixed bag of tricks. kk had a AWESOME LA game!!! he shocked me out of my seat!
Mixxo
August 12th, 2009
7:45 pm
Why isn’t Church playing!!!???
Steve from OH
August 12th, 2009
7:45 pm
JasoninFL:
I have some concerns about how fangraphs converts wins to dollars. Particularly, the fact that they assume that the cost per win increases linearly, whereas noted (by the blog, at least!) economist JC Bradbury thinks it increases on a curve i.e. teams will pay x dollars for a one win player but more than 4x dollars for a 4 win player (follow? Poorly worded I admit). Now, my knowledge of economics is…um…nonexistant, but it makes sense.
For instance, according to Bradbury, the Yankees will pay more per marginal win than, say, the Pirates because there’s no difference for the Pirates between 72 and 82 wins in terms of making the playoffs, but there may be a huge difference between 92 and 93 wins for the Yankees. So that 11.5MM figure that fangraphs has for D-Lowe may be an underestimate.
And, the season’s not over, and innings pitched goes into that calculation, so if he keeps pitching well down the stretch his overall dollars will go up closer to 15MM too.
UNCBrave
August 12th, 2009
7:46 pm
Mixxo, he is…McLouth isn’t
Heath
August 12th, 2009
7:46 pm
McFann -
Nope…no rubbing. I just thought if anyone could convince Bobby, it would be McCann’s biggest fann.
bravesgrl4life
August 12th, 2009
7:46 pm
Mixxo, Church is playing according to the line up on GameDay.
ChurchMan
August 12th, 2009
7:47 pm
Why isn’t Church playing!!!???
?
he lead off the game for the Braves …..
Mixxo
August 12th, 2009
7:47 pm
My bad. I missed the lineup.
Nova Scotia Steve
August 12th, 2009
7:47 pm
Lee
kk had a AWESOME LA game!!! he shocked me out of my seat!
yeah it made me s*it my pants as well
S. Brushel
August 12th, 2009
7:47 pm
“Laid-back players laid off by fans after back-to-back bombs” end quote.
Soph
August 12th, 2009
7:47 pm
lol Riggleman’s reaction yesterday was priceless after that Nats coach got ejected.
Mixxo
August 12th, 2009
7:47 pm
What’s wrong with Nate…..again?
Tomahawkin
August 12th, 2009
7:48 pm
Nice To Keep Morgan off the bases…!
TnBrian
August 12th, 2009
7:48 pm
Nova Scotia, probably went something like this:
GA… “what’d he throw you, dawg”?
AL… “mmmm,(5 second pause) just a breaker”.
GA… “oh”.
AL… “yeah”.
Nova Scotia Steve
August 12th, 2009
7:48 pm
Mixxo
Hammy
Heath
August 12th, 2009
7:48 pm
Mixxo
August 12th, 2009
7:45 pm
Why isn’t Church playing!!!???
huh?
nolie
August 12th, 2009
7:49 pm
When is important too. Granted, you can’t reliably predict it-not that you can really reliably predict any single event- but it sure as hell is important when it happens. Not everything that’s important is quantifiable. And that’s from a 50 year stats enthusiast. So there ! :p
ChurchMan
August 12th, 2009
7:49 pm
Astros up 5-0 early but … since it’s Florida … I won’t look at that as a good thing, right now anyways.
UNCBrave
August 12th, 2009
7:49 pm
Why is Chipper so tight??? Guzman will not bunt
Louisville brave
August 12th, 2009
7:49 pm
daddy likes!!
Tomahawkin
August 12th, 2009
7:49 pm
Another DP…Keep Em Coming!!!
Soph
August 12th, 2009
7:49 pm
Six, Fo’, Three. Gotta love ‘em.
Paul Lentz
August 12th, 2009
7:50 pm
JasonInFL…….if the Braves didnt “over pay” for Lowe, who do you think that Braves would have been able to sign? Oliver Perez? John Garland? Jamie Moyer?
Why dont you go back and see who was available as free agents last year after Sabathia and Burnett signed with the Yankees? If you do, you’ll find that there is a HUGE DROP OFF from Derek Lowe to what garbage was left after the Braves signed him.
So in other words, if the Braves didnt sign Lowe, they get off to even a worse start then we did. I seriously doubt that the Braves would have been comfortable with starting both Jo Jo Reyes and Kris Medlen (the Braves were not going to start Hanson in the rotation no matter what to begin the season).
Steve from OH
August 12th, 2009
7:50 pm
Gone Viral–overall, the ONLY thing Garret has done well is hit for average. There’ve been a lot of people on base ahead of him (coughChipperandMcCanncough) he’s gotten a lot of RBI simply for that reason. He’s done nothing else of note (again, overall) and is a pretty bad fielder (big consideration) and I think it goes without saying our record would be 1-2 games better with a league-average LF.
And there aren’t too many phrases I hate more than “professional hitter.”
Vinings Jim
August 12th, 2009
7:50 pm
Why isn’t Kotchman playing?
Jerry
August 12th, 2009
7:50 pm
2-1 braves
bottom 3
Mixxo
August 12th, 2009
7:51 pm
Nova Scotia Steve -
Thanks man!
Heath
STFU!
JasonInFL
August 12th, 2009
7:52 pm
Yeah, I follow that Stevo…may not be on my way to being a doctor (medical), but I can comprehend.
And, let’s make it known that I truly hope I am wrong…I really do. But, I don’t think Lowe will be worth 15 mill this year…let alone next year, or the year after, or the year after that. Again, I rather have Hudson, Javy, Jair, Tommy Gun, <>, and 15 mill…
I, too, and no economist. But, I think that many teams will get a much better ROI on money spent than we will on the 60 million spent on D-Lowe.
Random
August 12th, 2009
7:52 pm
Tomahawkin (August 12th, 2009 7:27 pm): “You wanna Raise Me in my saying that Chipper hasn’t been clutch this year…?”
I said my piece, and I stand by it. Read it and weep.
Or refute it, if you can. (Which you can’t.)
WHAT nebulous, IneffaBle, efferVescent Criteria would you proposE by which to measure his clucthi-osity, anyway? SoMething you totally make up?
Lemme know.
Heath
August 12th, 2009
7:52 pm
ChurchMan
August 12th, 2009
7:49 pm
Astros up 5-0 early but … since it’s Florida … I won’t look at that as a good thing, right now anyways.
Is 6-0 ’stros a good thing?… Just kidding.
ChurchMan
August 12th, 2009
7:52 pm
Nats aiming to get a couple of guys into double digits in double plays tonight.
At least Lowe is getting the ground balls to go right to his defense when he puts runners on.
Soph
August 12th, 2009
7:53 pm
That was a pretty nice catch.
Heath
August 12th, 2009
7:53 pm
Mixxo -
What? I didn’t know what you meant. Hence the “Huh?”
S. Brushel
August 12th, 2009
7:53 pm
“Chipper chipper as Braves blow past Nats” end quote.
ChurchMan
August 12th, 2009
7:54 pm
Heath
Is 6-0 ’stros a good thing?… Just kidding.
–
they scored 6 runs in only two innings yesterday, so it’ll have to be more than that. 15 sounds like a good high number.
Steve from OH
August 12th, 2009
7:54 pm
Jason–oh, I just added that because I couldn’t come up with a good way to say it and I thought it was kind of hard to follow the way I said it…
Oh, and they use FIP instead of ERA as their way of valuing his performance, and his FIP is lower than his ERA, so that’s something to consider too…
S. Brushel
August 12th, 2009
7:55 pm
“Options after Lowe low this previous offseason” end quote.
UNCBrave
August 12th, 2009
7:55 pm
Chipper go the freaking other way…
Jalb3rt
August 12th, 2009
7:56 pm
TnBrian
LOL @ 7:48. OMG!
Roman Gal
August 12th, 2009
7:56 pm
Teheran seems to have adjusted to Rome. 7 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 2 K, 0 BB.
Steve from OH
August 12th, 2009
7:56 pm
But, I think that many teams will get a much better ROI on money spent than we will on the 60 million spent on D-Lowe.
I can buy this though. Just like how some of the saber stats say Rios is worth his contract. Yeah, a savvy club might be able to get a better return on that cash but having Lowe has been a big boost to our rotation all year too, and that’s been our strength…
McFann :Ô:
August 12th, 2009
7:56 pm
Heath–
Haha, thanks…if nothing else, he’d change it just to get me off his back…
Carroll Rogers
August 12th, 2009
7:56 pm
Zimmerman has a 15-game hitting streak now, and Guzman 17….weren’t kidding about this lineup being hot….
Heath
August 12th, 2009
7:57 pm
ChurchMan
August 12th, 2009
7:54 pm
Heath
Is 6-0 ’stros a good thing?… Just kidding.
–
they scored 6 runs in only two innings yesterday, so it’ll have to be more than that. 15 sounds like a good high number.
You could be on to something…
Supes
August 12th, 2009
7:57 pm
Paul Lentz = OWNED once again…keep on MORON.
Sure is entertaining on a slow night, not much happening in the game yet.
Have tons of time to check out your repeated drivel of postings!
Supes
August 12th, 2009
7:58 pm
UNCBrave,
That’s about as uncomfortable and bad as Chipper has looked this entire season at the dish against a pitcher he’s never faced before. 2 bad at bats…let’s hope he gets this guy figured out next time up.
Heath
August 12th, 2009
7:58 pm
McFann :Ô:
August 12th, 2009
7:56 pm
Heath–
Haha, thanks…if nothing else, he’d change it just to get me off his back…
Whatever works!
JasonInFL
August 12th, 2009
7:59 pm
Paul, as with most decisions, you can’t isolate the Lowe signing and study it in a vacuum. Relative to cost, maybe Medlen would have had more value to the Braves. Then, when you factor in what the Braves would have done with that $15 mill…as you say, look back… and see what hitters were signing for…how about Abreau/Dunn for that $15/mill? (and no, I am not a big Dunn fan). We were 8-8 and the first 16 games started by D-Lowe. Relative to current cost and future cost, I just don’t think Lowe was a good decision.
Gone Viral
August 12th, 2009
7:59 pm
“And there aren’t too many phrases I hate more than “professional hitter.””
Sometimes, it applies. Throughout his career, he’s never been a walks guy yet he’s somehow always around .300 by the end of the season. You may not like the term, but there is no other way to describe him. He’s actually rather confounding in his consistency given what we know about elements of luck involved in a hitter putting the ball in play.