1:30 pm August 12, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
August 12th, 20095:07 pm
Jon Miller’s the one that bugs me the most. Morgan is a VERY CLOSE second…they may even be tied…
scott Do you like my lineup below or Bobby’s better?
I’ll give you 3 guesses as to what my answer would be…
Yeah now, I don’t like Buck and McCarver. Grace and that Kenny guy are fine.
Phillips made me laugh (not in a good way) when he said that Jurrjens did a good job at holding runners on last year. I hope that I heard him wrong, but if he said that, he is dead wrong. JJ lead all NL pitchers in SB allowed last year…
Hey chillidog, I agree we wouldnt have made it w/o him but Cox went against what he did all year and brought him in to face Puckett. Not smart.
. . . or just say, “When you get Tim Hudson back.”
August 12th, 20095:11 pm
Did I also mention that Liebrandt comming in relief that game was the FIRST time in his career that he had done that.
Bay Area Steve
August 12th, 20095:12 pm
Name stealing should result in an immediate ip-address ban.
But, that Lentz quotation marks thing was hilarious.
I’ll never understand why you wouldn’t post that under your usual name. I mean, I said something about misusing quotes last night, but your thing was Wurlitzer-worthy. Of course, you should still be banned.
Got a question. Let’s say the Braves were in the same position as the BoSox. Mind you, they are fading fast now with a hot team pulling away from them. Your best hitter charges the mound, now he’s out 5 games. Are you happy ’cause the “team needed a spark”? or are you upset that your best hitter is out for 5 games?
August 12th, 20095:13 pm
Pete: When Braves won in 95, it was not near as exciting as 91 in my opinion, as strange as that seems
95′ was post-strike, everything baseball seemed a little less exciting for a while…
Benches clearing in LA/SF game…Kung Fu Panda got hit by pitch
What’s up Braves fans? Just me with my nose up against the window looking in on the playoff race. Sure looks like fun.Definetly missing it. Heart break and all.
Steve from OH
Video of Adam Milligan:
And video of most of the 2008 draftees:
“Did I also mention that Liebrandt comming in relief that game was the FIRST time in his career that he had done that.”
That happens a lot in the playoffs.
August 12th, 20095:14 pm
Yanks walk-off. Ex Pirate Sanchez gives SF a 1-0 lead
August 12th, 20095:15 pm
Pete-Actually, I debated with you though your point was sophomoric at best. All losses count. Wow. Did you come up with that one all by yourself?
You might also notice that Apologist/Johnson and Johnson/etc. was the one I had words for. Maybe you’d like to know why I did? Unfortunately the post he made about my wife last week was deleted so you will have to take my (and Carroll’s) word, because, like the Nameless DBag said, I reported him/her/it. Honestly, I should just give the Nameless Idiot my address just to see if they’ve got the requisite genitals to come get taught some manners. Isn’t it amazing how brave and full of themselves they are when they won’t have to face the person they slurred?
I’ll be more than glad to debate you (when you have something worth debating) any time at all. If, however, you want to talk trash about my wife of 34 years, then the game changes. Got it?
God- as if things weren’t bad enough being a Mets fan the Yanks are starting to look like their ‘98 club. God help us all.
August 12th, 20095:16 pm
USAA, actually (Carroll)
yeah I use them too. Very highly rated by Consumer Reports as insurance and also as a credit card company. They were also great about the house when Hurricane Charlie did so much damage here. Very very good company!
Breaking News: Smoltz mulling a chance to start with the Washington Nationals. http://www.natsinsider.com/smoltz/close_to_accepting_offer
Link requires registration though.
August 12th, 20095:17 pm
Nolie, iv been to about 10 Danville Braves games this season, Ramus is pretty good. Has good stuff.
Furman Butcher: Did I also mention that Liebrandt comming in relief that game was the FIRST time in his career that he had done that.
No, it wasn’t.
Based on Lew’s 5:15 I get the feeling like when you walk in on a bar fight. You walk in just as everyone’s moving the stools against the walls and you think “Oh Sh..t!”
chilidog-Charlie Leibrandt was the first of Leo Mazzone’s out to pasture reclamation projects. You’re absolutely correct. NO playoffs in 91 or 92 without him.
Tomahawkin (August 12th, 2009 2:04 pm): “I’m Not Hating on Chipper but Can we get some Clutch 3 Run Bombs From him…? He hit another meaningless homer last night in a blowout win against a rookie pitcher…”
Geezum, Will — will the idiocy never cease???
Chipper has no more control over who’s on base in front of him than he does in “deciding” in which Plate Appearances he’s going to hit a home run.
C’mon, people — buy a friggin vowel.
Or are you saying that sometimes Chipper doesn’t even try — specifically, when there’re runners on base, he deliberately slacks off? (No, I know that’s not what you’re meaning to say, but dear boy, it’s definitely implied in your words. Logically, dontcha know.)
PS: I know you ain’t hatin’, but really my dear — your slip is showing.
There are a total of 4 clips on youtube from that infamous Padres-Braves brawl at Fulton County Stadium in 1984. The second clip is the one that has all the action on it. 3 pitches get ejected for the Padres, all trying to hit Pascual Perez.
Champ Summers, the Padres’ Greg Norton at the time, tried to play tough guy and go after Pascual in the Braves dugout. Bob Horner came out wearing a cast, got into the Chumpster’s face and tackled him to the ground. One Braves fan stood on top of the Braves dugout and sprayed a cup of beer onto Chump while another fan leap frogged from his seat onto the back of Summers as Bob Horner was taking the Chumpster to the ground. It was definitely the baseball version of the Ron Artest melee back in 2004.
I remember watching this game as a 12 year old. However, I havent seen these clips in years. It was comical. Tim Flannery, who is the 3rd base coach of the Giants, was beaten up by Gerald Perry towards the end of the many mini-fights that broke out that day.
I must say, the way Bob Horner come out and got into the Chumpster’s grill still makes me proud to be a Braves fan.
August 12th, 20095:18 pm
I know that I’m just supposed to present info and offer no opinion (as ruled by the blogger temporarily posting as Reality), but I’ll go ahead and say that (a real stretch here, I know) that Craig Kimbrel’s stuff looks really good on that MLB video.
His mechanics worry me a bit though.
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Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
Anders, you may appreciate this? I was listening to the Dan Patrick Show this morning and Chris Rock was on. He was talking about his hearbreak over the Mets adn Minaya’s obsession with Latin players. Rock said, “Why did he not sign Derek Lowe? I wonder if his name was Derek Lopez if he would’ve signed him.” I thought that was a great line.
August 12th, 20095:19 pm
Anders-I promise they really wouldn’t want to meet me face to face. NO concerns about that, though. The hit and run under an anonymous blog name is more their style. Like I said-no requisite cohones-just hot air on a blog with no accountability.
Sorry, I hit the submit button while ducking the pool cue Lew just hurled.
By the way, Lincecum just got the run supoort he needed. 1-0 Giants, 5th inning.
August 12th, 20095:20 pm
Robert – true dat. In the spirit of Chris Rock.
Sorry Shamus you are incorrect
I wish I had the wit to say something funny about Lew’s wife, in the vein of good-natured ribbing, that even he would find funny.
Unfortunately, I got nothing, and even if I was close, am afraid Lew would come to California and shoot me…
But there’s somethin’ there; the timing woulda been prefect.
August 12th, 20095:21 pm
dissenting has the word “diss” right in the middle of it. Bubdylan
Right in the middle of it, eh? Haha…don’t worry, I saw your correction, but this made me laugh.
August 12th, 20095:22 pm
I hear what you’re saying.
But in the 12th inning of a possible WS clinching game, you might do some first-time things. (Like Randy Johnson pitching in relief for the Diamondbacks in Game 7 against the Yankees on zero day’s rest, for instance).
Plus, what most people don’t remember is that Liebrandt had faced Puckett twice in Game 1. He struck him out both times. Easily.
And the Braves’ two best relievers – Stanton and Pena – had already pitched two innings each. Who did you want to go to? Clancy? In that spot?
I just don’t think it was nearly as boneheaded a decision as people think. It just didn’t work out.
But, even if you think Cox was a complete dolt for using Liebrandt, it wasn’t the reason the Braves lost the WS. Ron Gant not being able to get a run home in a second and third, no-out situation in Game 7 had MUCH MORE to do with the Twins winning than Liebrandt’s relief appearance did.
August 12th, 20095:24 pm
Carroll – Do you get the feeling that McLouth could have a more serious injury than the Braves have admitted, or are they just giving him exta rest against the Nats so that he is in the best shape for the weekend?
BAS- It was crass, sexually reprehensible and totally uncalled for. You’ve known me on this blog for five years or so. I give and get with the best of them. I can take anything thrown at me and send it right back. It’s all part of the game. This was a bit beyond the pale however. Nothing funny whatsoever. Something I would never hear from you or 99.9% of the rest of the Denizens.
August 12th, 20095:25 pm
It just didn’t work out.
There’s the key, chilidog. As usual with the blog, the ends often make the means irrelevant.
Give BC a break…when the players play…. he is a genius!!!
August 12th, 20095:26 pm
Furman Butcher, Liebrandt relieved in games in 80′, 81′, 82′ (25-games), 84′, and 89′.
You must have meant it was the FIRST time in his career, after about 50 others?
Someone else on the blog from Vermont?
August 12th, 20095:27 pm
Chili, I cant disagree at all with the hitters holding a lot of blame for not getting guys in. On a side note, how about the team we have now with Infante back. We really have some depth right now. Knock on wood.
owl hunter (August 12th, 2009 2:14 pm): “Kawakami is always up against an ace. He often rises to the occasion. Could this be on purpose?”
You mean like in college tennis matches, where a sneaky coach will sometimes match his 6th seed against the other team’s ace, so that his own ace will play the other team’s #2, his #2 will play their #3, etc, etc?
I dunno — maybe. (I doubt it, though. Me, I blame society.)
PS: in the context of this comment, “society” = “coincidence”.
PPS: Dan Magill taught me everything I know about college tennis, so blame him for this comment. Or Eliot Telscher.
These are the names now being used in reference to the Mets GM in these parts. It’s just a matter of time I’m afraid. (Or maybe not)
You can never say I don’t share some good stuff.
August 12th, 20095:28 pm
Bill Hall (Brewers) sure has fallen from grace… Wonder what has caused his constant decline over the last 3 years? He had a pretty good two-year run before his decline -
2005 Mil 146 Games 69 R, 146 H, 39 2B, 17 HR, 62 RBI, .291/.342/.495/.837
2006 Mil 148 Games 101 R, 145 H, 39 2B, 35 HR, 85 RBI, .270/.345/.553/.898
Wonder if he could benefit from a change of scenery like Frenchy (so far…jury is out…but still)?
“Why don’t you just quit you’re bitc*ing.”
Yeh, why don’t you LB?
Someone else on the blog from Vermont? (Lew)
Doubtful. I believe there’s still only one connection up that way. And you have it.
August 12th, 20095:29 pm
Keep trying Shamus. keep trying.
August 12th, 20095:30 pm
but it seemed to me as if the Braves gave Glavine a break by letting him pitch his way into game shape before letting him go. At least it allowed him to audition for other teams who may have wanted to sign him after he was released. (Piedmont)
I agree entirely. I see no way that they mistreated him. It would have been worse if they had released him earlier, they gave him the opportunity to get completely rehabed on their dime. And their scouts were obviously correct as nobody else came calling. I also can’t believe that people are still whining about it.
Furman Butcher: Sorry Shamus you are incorrect
Nay nay nay Sir, YOU are incorrect…
August 12th, 20095:33 pm
Monty…i guess all the bitc*ing is contagious
August 12th, 20095:34 pm
Nova Scotia Steve (August 12th, 2009 2:17 pm): “Let’s just hope its not the Florida Marlins Kawakami…”
Or perhaps the Cincinnati Reds’ Kawakami?
(Though he was totally snakebit that game. I mean, 8 ERs?!?!? In less than 5 IP?!?!? No way.)
Here’s you a link Mr. Butcher. God down the line and look at G (Games) and GS (Games Started).
If you’ll notice, there’s a disparity there.
I accept your apology…
August 12th, 20095:35 pm
nolie- I believe the issue with Glavine was he understood that as long as he was able to get back to health and pitch respectively (Very subjective) that he would get an oppurtunity to pitch in the bigs this year which his contract called for to get the first payment. He did all that and then, in his eyes anyway, had the rug pulled out from under him at the last minute when the Braves went in another direction. I think he was chasing an old dream anyway but the Braves aren’t clean in this , at least imo.
Nova Scotia Steve
August 12th, 20095:36 pm
Some bad vibes here today…
[garble garble garble]…curse words…[garble garble garble]…
1. R Church, CF
2. M Prado, 2B
3. C Jones, 3B
4. B McCann, C
5. Y Escobar, SS
6. G Anderson, LF
7. A LaRoche, 1B
8. M Diaz, RF
9. D Lowe, P
August 12th, 20095:37 pm
“Sorry Shamus you are incorrect”
Only a cursory review of his career stats will show that his first three appearances in the majors were in relief.
The fascinating thing about the internet is how much people will cling to a wrong opinion in the face of facts.
dcraig16 (August 12th, 2009 2:19 pm): “carroll: i have usaa also, they are awesome.”
I’ve got USAA auto insurance, too, and I don’t even drive a car.
How awesome is that?!?!?
There is an easy solution to not wanting to listen to somebody’s opinion(griping about past failures of BC) on the blog. It’s called, “scrolling past”! It really does work, I use it quite frequently.
August 12th, 20095:38 pm
Juan Pierre hits a triple….dude that guy is pesky…can’t stand it.
But he’s good
chilidog75: “The Atlanta Braves don’t even MAKE the playoffs in 1991 OR 1992 without Charlie Liebrandt, folks.”
I AGREE 100%….and you can say that for many players on that team, but once the series starts, its irrelevant. Are you telling me you start Game 1 with Leibrandt over Cy Young Award winner Glavine, who had 4 days rest?
I take it you don’t like the occupant in the clean-up spot?
August 12th, 20095:39 pm
I wish Chipper would feel comfortable batting 4th because I think Escobar would be better batting 3rd and McCann 5th.
Complainers complaining about complaining.LOL!
August 12th, 20095:40 pm
And on a random note…what’s with the themes in all these Viagra ads? You have to take your wife to some remote ilsand villa just to bone? Cant you just roll over and say honey, let’s get it on? Isn’t that one of the few benefits of having a life partner? The sure thing
Thank you, Gone Viral…
Lew: “Pete-Actually, I debated with you though your point was sophomoric at best. All losses count. Wow. Did you come up with that one all by yourself?”
Wow…didnt know that. And obviously, you dont know that some losses count more than others. Should you need an explanation, pls advise.
August 12th, 20095:41 pm
Anders………….you keep forgetting that the Braves were counting on Glavine to be available to make his first start on April 18th. It wasnt until the second week of June that Glavine was healthy enough to pitch. By then Tommy Hanson had proven that he deserved a shot in the Majors.
Again, the Braves did not do Glavine wrong………Glavine’s shoulder did him wrong.
Shamus- you are correct about Liebrandt but I think the biggest mistake and major one many have called on Bobby (IMO in looking back) was starting him (CL) instead of our gun Glavine in game 1 in 1991 but Charlie Liebrandt was a major winner in that year and 2002 and the bullpen use in that fateful 12th inning was okay.. who else was left !
Yeah it takes one to know one…something about when you have one finger pointing at someone you got three pointing back at yourself
Let’s go Dodgers!!
August 12th, 20095:43 pm
$250?!?! Dang! With full coverage in South Carolina… all windshield replacements are free!
Good guess, Heath.
Lew: “I’ll be more than glad to debate you (when you have something worth debating) any time at all. If, however, you want to talk trash about my wife of 34 years, then the game changes. Got it?”
You got the wrong guy I never referenced your wife in any way, so same to you. Get your posts straight…….that comment above was directed to me for whatever reason and totally unnecessary.
August 12th, 20095:45 pm
Anders: “Based on Lew’s 5:15 I get the feeling like when you walk in on a bar fight. You walk in just as everyone’s moving the stools against the walls and you think “Oh Sh..t!”
LOL thats pretty accurate in my opinion
August 12th, 20095:46 pm
Oh yeah? No, YOU shut up!
but if he’s gonna have a slow delivery (and since he’s pitching so good, why should he change anything), (McFann)
good insight. I doubt they will try much to change his mechanics and pace as long as he is doing well. They knew through the minors that he was slow and didn’t press the issue. When you start messing with the mechanics of a pitcher who is succeeding you can end up with a mess sometimes. LWEA
Who else do we put at clean up?
Is it game-time yet???? Jesus…8O
August 12th, 20095:47 pm
If Liebrandt didn’t start Game 1, he would’ve started Game 2. Unless you wanted to have just a three-man rotation.
With Avery and Smoltz both having basically pitched complete games in Game 6 and 7 of the NLCS, neither was going to be fresh enough to pitch that opening weekend in Minnesota, in my opinion.
So yeah, you could’ve started Tommy in Game 1. But someone (Liebrandt) still would’ve had to pitch Game 2.
Nova Scotia Steve (August 12th, 2009 2:25 pm): “I don’t know if its fair to say “its the kind of game KK wins”…I mean he’s had two amazing starts of them…The Blue Jays back in May and the Dodgers…out of 16 or 17 starts.”
AND he’s outpitched and beaten Dice-K TWICE (once in ST). You better believe there is absolutely NO bigger game for Kawakami than that.
And 95% of all his other starts have been serviceable, perhaps even laudable.
So back off Kawakami, okay?
PS: “out of 16 or 17 starts”. WTF — is there some kind of epidemic endemic pandemic that prevents people from actually looking stuff up, that forces them to just guess???? FTH?!?!?
PPS: R.I.P., FJM.
Lew: “Anders-I promise they really wouldn’t want to meet me face to face. NO concerns about that, though. The hit and run under an anonymous blog name is more their style. Like I said-no requisite cohones-just hot air on a blog with no accountability.”
Is that the pot calling the kettle black, or what?? lol
August 12th, 20095:49 pm
August 12th, 2009
-Escobar would work – based on his propensity to deliver in the clutch and since his lefty/righty splits aren’t anywhere near as awful as McCann’s. :
Anders: “Sorry, I hit the submit button while ducking the pool cue Lew just hurled”
He just punched a huge hole in his monitor lol
My apologies he had 21 starts…of crap…with the exception of deuce…
August 12th, 20095:50 pm
TommyP (August 12th, 2009 2:28 pm): “Was it yesterday that the Milwaukee GM said it would take a #1 or #2 starter to pry JJ Hardy from them?
“And then he’s shipped off to the minors today.”
I see no irony or disconnect here — he’s still with the Brewers, right?
August 12th, 20095:52 pm
Be thankful that the Mets didnt go after Derek Lowe. If they did, then chances are Frank Wren may have chosen to go after Oliver Perez.
Through 5 innings today, Perez only gave up 1 run………however he gave up 6 hits and walks on 109 pitches. The Mets signed him for 3 years, $36 mil. Kind of makes Kawakami look like a bargain.
This is totally unrelated to the article above but think about the 2004 Braves. It wasn’t that long ago, right?
There are only two current Braves that were on that team. One is Adam LaRoche who just returned to the team. The other is Chipper Jones.
With all the bad press and luck for the Mets in recent years, maybe you could recommend to the team owners that they rekindle the the times of good things passed by renaming to the New York Gothams. That’s got to help the team compete with the Yanks right? I doubt the Giants would mind. Whatta ya think?
I understant the magnitude surrounding his start against Dice-K…But look at what he’s done this year…NOTHING for Boston
August 12th, 20095:53 pm
Pete-You can say it was that loss in Philly. You can say it was one of the three saves that MFIKY blew. You can call it the game where Yunel mouthed to the Official Scorer, or one of the times Norton didn’t get a Pinch hit, or, or, or. The game last year with Kelly’s drop up. Or that blown save by Wickman in Florida a couple years ago. Whatever. Kind of like a self fulfilling prophecy-very like something Coach Moon Pie (I’ve Given Up Because I Know We’ll Never Win Until; 2014) would say.
If you base your assumption that a season was lost due to one particular game then what you’re dealing with is a situation that dooms you the minute it happens. In essence, we should have hung it up after less than a week’s worth of games when we blew that lead to the Phillies the third time we played them, because we had already lost. At least if you look at it like you do.
In case you hadn’t learned it yet, you can’t go back and change the situation, but if you look at what I was talking about, you’d have a situation where it wouldn’t happen AGAIN, because the offenders were either traded, disabled, DFAed or were performing in a totally opposite manner. I guess that is irrelevant to you though.
Steve from OH,
This looks like something you’d be interested in.
In my last posting, I meant to say “given up 6 hits and 6 walks”.
Mid Town Joe
Greg in TN, thanks for the 1984 clips. My favorite is when the fan chunks his beer on Champ Summers, and Bob Horner is there to great him.
August 12th, 20095:54 pm
Does anybody know if Ernie Sr. is still physically able to do a game if he wanted too? He had an excitement in his voice. It sounded like he just loved the game and what he was doing. His voice was so pleasant. I would sure love to hear him once in a while.
I like the idea of Escobar at clean up…McCann seems like a better 5 hole hitter
Who is FJM that passed away?
Steve McP, just talked to Nate today. I don’t think it’s anymore serious that anybody has said, he was in the first lineup yesterday. They’re hoping by sitting out today and the off day tomorrow he’ll be ready to go. Nate agreed. Said it was feeling better today and he expects to be in there Friday.
August 12th, 20095:55 pm
Oh God, it’s the Leibrandt in relief thing again.
As has already been pointed out, Cox had already used his best relievers (Stanton and Pena) for 2 innings each. Leibrandt was well rested and potentially could have given the Braves 4 or 5 innings. It’s not like it was the first home run Puckett ever hit or that he wouldn’t have hit it off anybody else.
It’s the easiest thing in the world to criticize a move after it doesn’t work out, but strategically there was nothing wrong with it.
Nats hitting coach Rick Eckstein got suspended one game and fined for coming out on the field last night to argue….
it was suggested to me by one of the Braves coaches that he was probably trying to take the heat for one of the Nationals players who might have been barking from the dugout.
August 12th, 20095:56 pm
Chilidog, you still didnt answer my question….. do you start the Cy Young Award winner or your #4 starter in Game 1, with both having enough rest?
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