1:30 pm August 12, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
August 12th, 20094:28 pm
Surprised insurance did not pay for windshield??
Charlie Liebrandt being called on to relieve in the 12th inning against the Bluejays to face Dave Winfield after BC had exhausted all of his regular pen guys, every Brave fan knew what was about to happen.
Rob from SC
I wonder if McLouth fits int he Braves long term plan. Frank Wren has stated the Heyward, Freeman, and Schafer will be part of the next run.
Schafer in CF
Heyward in RF
Wren loves him some Jason Bay. Is McLouth the odd man of if we get a RH left fielder?
I’d like to see Smoltz in a freak show as “The Baby Man.” When they open the curtains he can whine till everybody yaps…
August 12th, 20094:29 pm
Why, under any circumstances, would Escobar be batting behind Garrett Anderson?
Yunel is the team’s best (or second-best) hitter. So why would he EVER bat sixth?
Let’s hope Bobby switches this thing before Friday night.
ATL Braves SUCKERED fan
Hey Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR), if we don’t win atleast the series from Phils now, then it may be TOO LATE when mid-September rolls around.
August 12th, 20094:31 pm
Escobar has been batting 6th because that seems to be the place where we are most likely to have people on base for him. I also like him 5th, but either of those spots is good for him.
Gant does need some work in the booth, but I like him. Joe Morgan, however…….
We need to try NOW to close the gap with Phils. Hence, it will put more pressure on them than us.
August 12th, 20094:33 pm
Lew: “Apologistr-Are you? I was thinking you were more along the lines of something with prehensile toes. Close nut not quite.”
Lew as you so well demonstrate, when someone cannot logically defend their position in a debate, name calling is almost always the 1st thing that person turns to. Happens all the time…….keep it up.
You are all Cox apologists
The stealing runners is not McCann’s fault. We are TERRIBLE at holding runners, across the board with our pitchers. Something needs to get figured out.
I like KK opposing the ace of the other team. He is our worst starter but he rises up against big time pitchers. We are not going to sweep every series so why not have him take one for the team or surprise us like he did with Halladay, Yanks, Dodgers etc..
You all are Cox apologists
All in all, I love the Braves. I just wish we had a manager that was a better tactician. BURN ME, HANG ME, and crucify ME IF I want a better manager. Hope we win tonight.
August 12th, 20094:34 pm
Youkilis is a bi***
Crazy Trades McGee
US vs. Mexico, tied 1-1
August 12th, 20094:35 pm
Boog is quality. He is far and away the Braves best announcer.
No way in a thousand years Gant is a better announcer than Boog; IMO Boog is the best we have, maybe in a 1st place tie with Jim Powell and Don Sutton-who I hope to god they put back on TV next year…Gant is almost as lame as Caray, maybe worse, which is saying something…loved him as a player, but he is brutal as an announcer…thank god for freebaseballradio.com-got to put mlb.com tv feed on mute and listen to Powell and Sutton
Tomahawkin Teams are taking his slow delievery to their advantage now that the scouting reports have gone around the league….
Yup. And he is a rookie, so we cann cut him a little slack…but if he’s gonna have a slow delivery (and since he’s pitching so good, why should he change anything), he should throw over to first more to keep the runners close.
That goes for all our pitchers…is that too much to ask?
Simply put I think the coaches need to stress on trying to keep baserunners honest…
August 12th, 20094:36 pm
Boog rocks. Simpson rocks. Gant is o.k. and Brian Jordan is terrible.
August 12th, 20094:37 pm
I like Ron Gant. Sure, he finding his way as a broadcaster/analyst, but I like him nonetheless.
Joe Simpson is a brilliant baseball man.
Hence, it will put more pressure on them than us
Phillies are already under pressure, they had a 7 game lead over the Marlins on Aug 6 and it’s now down to 3.5
One thing about Smoltz in the pen that I haven’t heard from anyone. How long does it take for Smoltz to get ready to pitch, post-surgery? A reliever has to be able to get warm and loose in a hurry, so if Smoltz can’t do that, then his ability to help out a bullpen would be severely limited, i.e., he would have to have “planned” relief appearances. Which is better than nothing, I guess, but still…
Back one more time to 91 World Series. It’s been a while since I have read anything on this, but it seems like I remember that Cox never wanted any of his pitchers to go with three days rest on consecutive starts. If Glavine had started Game 1, 4, and 7, that would have been 4 starts in 14 days, and I don’t think he was optimistic about the results. And I also think he liked the fact that if it went 7 games he would have Avery & Smoltz, who were lights out at that point, and also the fact that he would have his big three pitching at home. And Liebrandt was no slouch #4 starter, either, and wasn’t a #4 until Avery and Smoltz pitched so good he was relegated there. The man won 15 games that year, and would win 15 the next, and the year prior he posted a very good ERA for a lousy team. He also was a key pitcher 6 years prior in KC’s championship season, winning 17 games and posted some good PS starts. Having said all of that, I’m not sure why Cox would not have started Glavine in Game 1, then went with Liebrandt in Game 2. Glavine, as was pointed out, would have had 4 days rest, and also have 4 days off before his next start instead of the 5 and 3. Then again, he was doing the 5 and 3 thing with Avery & Smoltz, so maybe that was a formula that Leo & Bobby had. It would be a great question to ask some day. But starting someone as solid as Liebrandt was not a problem to me. He also started a game in the NLCS, and that didn’t cost us anything as I recall…
I like Boog too!
August 12th, 20094:38 pm
If we had Tony Larussa (sp) or Jim Leland we would have 4 WS titles right now. We won in 95 despite of Cox.
dogsbrekky (making a run, woo hooooo): Pete ……..but the implication was more that it was an error to NOT start Charlie in a later game, of course we will never know as it is all in the past..”
Yes I purposely stated it that way……but Ill wait until you can provide me with just a glimmer of logic that Bobby may have used to start Leibrandt….lol thanks
Greg in TN
August 12th, 20094:39 pm
First attempt at this post went to moderation purgatory, so will try again.
Pretty heartening display of baseball last night at 755 Hank Aaron Drive as the Braves took care of business and dispatched the Beltway Boys. The visitors got a heavy dose of Church, the Phenom and the Offensive Assasin, not necessarily in that order.
Watched the Beantown Brawl with a little amusement, and ran across video of what many long time Braves fans will likely remember as one of the nastiest games/brawls this franchise has taken part in.
To set the stage, it was 25-years ago today, an August 12, 1984 matinee tilt against the Braves and the visiting Padres at the old house on Capitol Avenue. Pads were in first in the division with the Braves a distant 10.5 games back. Pascual Perez started and immediately hit Alan Wiggins in the wallet to start the game.
Padre pitcher Ed Whitson attempted to hit Perez three times over his first two at bats and missed. One attempt in Perez’s at bat in the 2nd ended up being a wild pitch which allowed Rafael Ramirez to advance and eventually score. Whitson was eventually ejected, along with Padres manager Dick Williams, after attempting to hit Perez again in the 4th and was replaced by Greg Booker (who in turn was ejected for going after Perez himself).
Things seemed to settle down until the 8th, when Craig Lefferts finally hits Perez which set off an ugly melee which included a cameo from an injured Bob Horner, who was in the pressbox at the start of the game, but went down to the clubhouse and got into uniform and stepped out to stop a charging Champ Summers from reaching Pascual, who would head to the Braves dugout during the first two bench clearers.
Finally, the benches cleared again in the ninth when the late Donnie Moore came in and hit Graig Nettles to lead off the inning.
Folks, this was an ugly, ugly game. Fans on the field, Padres jawing with fans behind the third base dugout and jumping on top of the dugout to try and go into the stands. Was interesting to see some names from the past: Washington, Ramirez, Perez, Horner, Bob Watson, Tony Brizzolara. The late John McSherry was first base umpire for this game and each of the clips posted has Skip, Pete, Ernie and John Sterling on the TBS feed. In all 14 players were ejected as was Williams, Joe Torre and several Padres coaches. Five fans were hauled off to the Greybar Hotel for their part in the festivites.
May want to watch this video kind of quick before MLB has it pulled. Link is to part one, however there are links to parts 2 through 4 in the related videos section. Enjoy denizens.
We lost in 91 because Cox brought in Liebrandt in relief to face the hottest hitter on their team. Idiot. Forget game 7 we should have won game 6.
Oh yeah. I mean, yes, he does make bad throws, but our pitchers…ugh…
And you would think, given BMac’s struggles with throwing guys out, that our pitchers would throw over to first more often than they do. Is that something the catcher signals for them to do?
August 12th, 20094:40 pm
Paul Lentz (August 12th, 2009 1:48 pm) –
What “screwed” Glavine out of proving his worth at the MLB level was his own April set-back (shoulder), not the Braves.
By the time he thought he was ready, it was too late — the parade had already passed, and he was overcome by events.
Too bad, so sad, yes, but not the fault of Wren or the Braves.
PS: I do disagee with you here:
PL: “When he signed, he was supposed to have recovered from last year, whereas with Smoltz it was common knowledge that he wouldnt be able to make it back until mid-June the earliest.”
All along, Smoltz was at least two months ahead of Glavine in surgery recovery/recuperation. After all, it was before Xmas that Smoltz sufficiently impressed the BoSox management with his throwing, from a mound, his entire repertoire of pitches for them to take the chance on him that they did.
It was at least two months after that time that Glavine first threw from the mound, fastballs only.
I would not be surprised to see Smoltz take aggresive steps to continue his rehabilitation this year (MLB bullpen or Milb somewhere), and I definitely expect him to be “making his pitch” to land with some play-off bound team during next year’s ST. As a starter.
(Yeah, yeah, I know — I’m a dreamer.)
Boog fan here too
As big as the series with the Phillies earlier in the season was, the upcoming series is only magnified. Let’s hope Jair Jurrjens can bounce back from “UmpireGate” in LA and Kenshin Kawakami can duplicate the pitching performance he put up in LA. Last night, it looked like Atlanta might go to bed only three games out of first place, but Houston and Chicago choked. Let’s hope the Braves get some help from those two teams tnoight and the Braves take care of business against the Nats again. The Phillies move putting Pedro Martinez in their rotation is a negative for them in my opinion. Martinez is well past his prime and I would be surprised if he does much. That helps the Braves chances. I never thought we would be sitting here in August and Atlanta is only four games out of first place.
Eric from MO
August 12th, 20094:41 pm
Once you get to the 12 inning you are going to run out of guys. If he brought him in the 7th then you would be right, be didnt.
I miss Pete in the broadcast booth.
dogsbrekky (making a run, woo hooooo)
Pete – wjones clearly knows more of the nitty gritty on this… I do not know why Charlie started game 1 but after that outing I would not have started him again unless someone’s arm was in danger of falling off… then again in 1991 did any of us know better than Cox and Leo (in retrospect we can all say Glavine, Avery, Smoltz etc)..
August 12th, 20094:42 pm
McLouth is part of our future plans, 3 more years for a cheap price for a guy who will hit 260. 25 homers and 75+ rbi with 20 sb’s i’ll take that.
The Braves do need to add a RH outfielder thats hits for power
But its confusing with Heyward and Schafer coming up a all. But hell lets put 6 or 7 lefties out there might not be that bad or it could
Well, it’s back to watching Gameday tonight since I don’t yet have SportsSouth. The dish went out completely as of this morning and the stupid DN guy couldn’t get it taken care of today – didn’t bring a tall enough ladder. If anybody wants to do play-by-play on the blog tonight, believe me, I will give you props for being better than Gameday. GO BRAVES!
Joe Simpson is a very nice man. I have met him several times and he sees me he always remembers me and asks how I am doing
August 12th, 20094:43 pm
Boog is the best.
Gant bugs me most when he says the old, “You get someone back like a Tim Hudson…”“A” Tim Hudson? There’s only one Tim Hudson…why can’t you just say, “You get someone like Tim Hudson back…”?
I don’t know…it’s hard to explain, but it bugs the heck out of me.
Favorite Braves 2nd Baseman over the past 20 years: Jeff Treadway, Mark Lemke, Keith Lockhart, Bret Boone, Quilvio Veras, Marcus Giles, Nick Green, Kelly Johnson or Martin Prado?
I know he won’t ever get the sentimental vote, but Boog is quite possibly the best announcer the Braves have ever had. He and Simpson are a good duo.
But Simpson is horrible with his hitting analysis. He loves to talk about “extension” and “top hand”. Maybe that’s why he was such a poor hitter as a big leager. The top hand is the devil when it comes to a high level swing. Top hand = slap hitter.
Nova Scotia Steve
August 12th, 20094:44 pm
I miss Pete callin the games too
August 12th, 20094:45 pm
bravesgrl4life – I subscribe to mlb.tv and will probably be out for dinner with the missus so you can use my password and login tonight … send me an email to email@example.com and I will send the details.. I assume your internet is still working ……….. well alrighty then
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
August 12th, 20094:46 pm
ATL Braves SUCKERED fan,
You win with ALL the players you have. They paid Kawakami, now it’s time for him to earn his money. Cox won’t push back the rotation or start Kawakami on short rest tonight. The rotation is what it is. In the playoffs (should the Braves make it) Cox can shorten it up to a 3 or 4 man rotation. Until then, the rotation is what it is.
for those of you monday morning quarterbacking cox’s pitching strategy in the 91 series (and when i say monday morning, i mean 18 years later)…dont forget how unbelievably exciting it was just to be there, and how insanely grateful braves fans were to get a taste of succesful postseason baseball, and how many in baseball regard it as one of the best world series’ ever…do you remember the parade downtown? by far and away the biggest and best celebration for a team that didn’t win the championship
so quit your bitching and be grateful you’re not a pirates fan
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
I like Boog, too. He’s both a stat nerd and a character, not at all like the assembly-line announcers so common these days (yes, Chip, and Thom, I mean you …)
August 12th, 20094:47 pm
besides we win when I do not watch
On the subject of the announcing team at Fox Sportsouth, I have never been a big fan of former players serving as announcers simply because they are former players. Brian Jordan and Ron Gant both appear that way. Rarely do they offer insight that causes me to think how glad I am that they were on the show. The play-by-play team of Boog and Joe generally do a good job. After years of watching the old gamg of Pete, Skip, Ernie, Don and company, they have done a credible job. They have some modern twists on their telecast that I enjoy watching. I like the AFLAC trivia question and the Facebook deal. They also do get into the clubhouse and talk to the Braves and their coaches. For instance, when BIlly “Killer” Hohn threw Brian McCann and Bobby Cox out recently, Joe Simpson was one of the few people who actually talked to Bobby Cox and got a response as to what Hohn had said to him.
I’m not sure what to think about having girls (Like “A” McFann) on the old blog, but…..
Sory, couldn’t resist.
August 12th, 20094:48 pm
Brett (August 12th, 2009 1:48 pm): “chipper is on a role since he made these adjustments.”
C’mon, dude — it’s “roll”, not “role”.
Geez — what are they teaching the kids in the schools theses days?
Or did you mean Chipper’s “role” as offensive leader of the Braves?
McFann, I’m with you on the “A Tim Hudson.” I mean, for occassional use, maybe. But not every single time you reference a player.
Stamper, that’s a great memory you have! I had forgotten about Quilvio Veras. He was playing pretty well and didn’t he get hurt?
August 12th, 20094:49 pm
Fair enough. Still, if giving KK a few days rest makes him even sharper for the final six weeks, then I say keep the rotation in order.
Carroll, that sucks about your windshield! A few years ago, my dad was driving his car by a tall apartment building when a water balloon dropped from several stories up absolutely obliterated his windshield. We found out later it was some kids goofing around, but little did they know they cost us several hundred dollars and a whole lot of inconvenience. Darn Kids!
First you stole my main man Simpson, now we will steal game 2 tonight
August 12th, 20094:50 pm
There is no need to be a jerk to other people.
Why is it that anyone with a dissenting opinion is considered a jerk?
off to Atlanta Brewing Company and then the Ted. Later suckas!
We lost in 91 because Cox brought in Liebrandt in relief to face the hottest hitter on their team. Idiot. Forget game 7 we should have won game 6
And if Charlie executes and gets the out, something Charlie failed to do, Cox is hailed as a genius for going against the regular bullpen matchup.
By the way, this contradicts the “Cox manages the post-season the way he manages the regular season” argument. Which is it going to be?
August 12th, 20094:51 pm
wjones: “Back one more time to 91 World Series. It’s been a while since I have read anything on this, but it seems like I remember that Cox never wanted any of his pitchers to go with three days rest on consecutive starts. If Glavine had started Game 1, 4, and 7, that would have been 4 starts in 14 days, and I don’t think he was optimistic about the results.”
If youre defending Cox, then I will ask you same question: name me another time in last 40-50 years that a manager has not started his stud in Game 1, given enough rest etc. (Glavine won Cy Young that year). Also, if Cox felt that way, who said he had to start Glavine in Game 7? But you ALWAYS start your best pitcher in Game 1…..then you can make adjustments from there as you go forward.
since i live in VA , i get like all the Nats games so i get watch there series all year on MASN
And also have to add one more thing, folks.
Today would have been Skip’s 70th birthday.
Happy Birthday Skip
Didn’t bring a tall enough ladder?!? Are you kidding me? That’s a load of crap.
August 12th, 20094:52 pm
Jim Powell > Simpson > Boog > Chip = Lemmer > Sutton = Gant
yeah, Veras got hurt. We kinda got hosed on that trade. We got him, and the Padres got Boone and Klesko
Piedmont Blues I like Boog, too. He’s both a stat nerd and a character
Yeah. And I like how Joe always picks on him about his stat website, yet Boog still cites them…iliveinmymothersbasement.com…
The AFLAC thing is great…I love it when they get one wrong, and there’s this stunned silence for a few minutes.
They also do get into the clubhouse and talk to the Braves and their coaches.
Oh, I love it when they talk about goofy stuff that the players did or whatever…Boog loves to tell stories about BMac–they crack me up every time. His delivery is perfect.
I will bitch all I want because that is what I do. Cox blew the 91 series. Plain and simple. If you are just glad to be there then you are just a loser. I want to win!!
August 12th, 20094:53 pm
This is our most important series of the year with the Phils. They know we’re coming in with a head of steam (specially if we swat Nats tonight) and at the very top of our game. They’re gonna be ready, just as I expect us to be. We win two of three, or sweep, and they’re gonna feel the weight of the world on their shoulders. They’re gonna KNOW they’re in trouble with SIX games remaining against us. We’ll then learn how well they deal with pressure..
Roman Gal, dissenting has the word “diss” right in the middle of it.
August 12th, 20094:54 pm
“They paid Kawakami, now it’s time for him to earn his money.”
I honestly do not understand statements like this. Did you see KK’s last start? Hell, he’s got a better ERA than Lowe.
* right in the front of it, I meant? RE-DO!!
Steve from OH
Your no answer is no surprize and it explains your point of view and your lack of substance. You are a non-entity.
Because I think batting average is an unreliable stat? You got me.
What am I non-answering about, anyway? Tell me what you’d like me to explain and I’ll gladly acquiesce.
Piedmont–I like Boog too. He must be a very convincing guy, because he’s got Joe believing in OBP, and Joe seems like the poster boy for old-fashioned type baseball people with RBI goggles glued to their eyes.
Haha…you’re funny, dude.
Yeah, every time gets REALLY annoying…
Agreed on Boog. He and Joe make a good team because they joke around and have a good time. They are not all buttoned up like the Fox announcers.
August 12th, 20094:55 pm
I never made that argument Spitfinger. Cox manages like crap every game.
August 12th, 20094:56 pm
God I apologize to all for the 1991 WS debate… and at the heart of the problem was the fact I was just trying to tell “You Are All Cox Apologists” to go forth and multiply or come up with a decent argument on anything… fortunately many here actually can debate logically..
okay god bless all, have a great night
and let’s go Braves
18 Wheels of Love
I picked up some Coopers Lager earlier – looking forward to trying it.
The guys on FOX (Mark Grace and Kenny whatshisname) are not anywhere near as bad as the ESPN guys…Miller…Morgan…Phillips…
August 12th, 20094:57 pm
Mets losing again
I’ll trade you Zimmerman for Simpson
There were a lot of us losers at the ‘91 parade
McFann you are so right. Joe Morgan puts me to sleep
August 12th, 20094:58 pm
Furman Butcher: “”Cox blew the 91 series.”"
Lonnie Smith, the first base ump, and the air conditioning system, played a much larger role.
August 12th, 20094:59 pm
i love joe but i would like to see the curlly headed guy from radio take boogs place
You are right. ESPN is the worse.
Do you like my lineup below or Bobby’s better?
August 12th, 20095:00 pm
SC Will (August 12th, 2009 1:55 pm): “Caroll, I’ve noticed Chipper often hits a homer in the game directly after he has sat out for at least 2 games (like he did last night.) Any stats on that phenomenon? “
Here’s one place to go to check your theory — MLB.com’s Game by Game Log</strong for Chipper for this season.
Let us know what you find out, okay?
(Beware of the foul language)
I was one of them!! Great parade! Was a fun season but I would have loved a title.
August 12th, 20095:01 pm
0-0 Top 5th SF/LA
August 12th, 20095:02 pm
Shamus, if we take care of business in game 6 all your points are moot.
I will bitch all I want because that is what I do. – Furman Bitcher
Well, it’s in your name so it makes sense.
Louisville brave: “dont forget how unbelievably exciting it was just to be there, and how insanely grateful braves fans were to get a taste of succesful postseason baseball, and how many in baseball regard it as one of the best world series’ ever…do you remember the parade downtown? by far and away the biggest and best celebration for a team that didn’t win the championship…”
Ill never forget it…used to hang out at Beer Mug on PTree lol and I went to Game 4 the excitement etc will never be duplicated. When Braves won in 95, it was not near as exciting as 91 in my opinion, as strange as that seems
August 12th, 20095:03 pm
scott–replace Infante with Diaz and then flip-flop him and Church and it looks pretty good…
I actually like the FOX telecasts now when Blow Buck And McSlobber aren’t calling the games…
The BSPN Sunday Night Telecast got worse when they added Mets GM Steve Phillips to their crew…
August 12th, 20095:04 pm
Thanks Andy. Glad somebody caught that.
Hey Pete, The Beer Mug, now that is a blast from the past!!! I agree, 91 was by far the most fun even though we lost.
Carol, I’ve been with USAA for 6-years. I had almost forgotten what good customer service was until I forged that relationship. Banking, Insurance, Mortgage, car-buying, etc. It’s been great.
Liebrandt gets such a bad rap by Braves fans that just don’t know any better.
The Atlanta Braves don’t even MAKE the playoffs in 1991 OR 1992 without Charlie Liebrandt, folks.
In 1991, he was 15-13 with a 3.49 (for comparison’s sake, Smoltz was 14-13 with a 3.80 ERA and an absolutely HORRIBLE start to the season).
In 1992, Liebrandt was 15-7 with a 3.36.
The guy was very good for the Braves. It sucks he gave up the bomb to Puckett, but it’s not like Cox was throwing out Kyle Davies or Jo Jo to pitch in the World Series. Liebrandt was a big reason the Braves were there to begin with. He wasn’t a bum.
August 12th, 20095:05 pm
Some video on Cory Rasmus (STEVE)
thanx bro. I like the long stride and leg drive. Seems to repeat his mechanics pretty well for a youngun. Hard to tell much from those video clips about his stuff.
August 12th, 20095:06 pm
Yeah nolie it is but I think I saw one curve that was pretty nasty…
MFin04 (August 12th, 2009 1:58 pm): “Not a good idea to look past the Nats tonight, they always seem to be a nemesis to the Braves. Hopefully our “Ace” can pitch like an ace tonight. 3-0 since the break with a 3 to 4 era.”
“with a 3 to 4 era”?!?!?!?
Why guess??? Why make us guess??? If you’ve got a point, figure it out and TELL us precisely what his ERA’s been since the break.
PS: I do agree with the overall thrust of your comment, FWIW.
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