1:30 pm August 12, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
August 12th, 20093:50 pm
Pete-Yeah, we know. And Kelly Johnson’s drop up caused us to tank in 08. You’re really concentrating on insignificances. If we lose by a game, you could point to any particular game, inning, pitch, or at bat and claim that was why we lost. What do you gain by that point of view? Some bizarre feeling of “rightness” that you can pinpoint the precise moment of failure? If that’s what floats your boat, then more power to you.
Moyer should be at Fernbank with the other dinosaurs!
An 8 game winning streak is tough but so is winning every series. Winning every series requires a team to be hot and things go right over a 50 game stretch verses being real hot for an 8 game stretch. Look at what Washington just achieved and otherwise they are terrible.
Lew: I’m pretty sure he’s a bit irritated that he was (A) so close to those incentives (B) coming off his best month this year (C) being replaced by someone whose arm is dangling like a strand of spaghetti.
He negotiated those incentives….why WOULDN’T he be a bit irritated?
August 12th, 20093:51 pm
Would you guys rather have Paul Lentz leave the blog or Greg Norton batting cleanup?
August 12th, 20093:52 pm
Paul Lentz 1:48 in response to RemoW 11:26
Couldn’t agree more with that entire post. And RemoW some tend to forget that Glavine was putting baseball and anyone involved with MLB on the wrong end of him and the union right around 1996. I find it funny how for once in his life he is on the wrong end of a BUSINESS deal and he, and everyone else, cries a river.
You all are Cox apologists
This is WHAT YOU COX APOLOGISTS WANT TO HERE:
The Braves will make the playoffs in 2009, whooopeee!!!!! Cox will LEAD the BRAVES into the playoffs and he WILL NEVER make a mistake. Cox is PERFECT so they may as well just hand the Braves the WS trophy today. Why should we keep playing games because COX IS PERFECT and the Braves will NEVER LOSE A GAME AGAIN. COX makes all the RIGHT MOVES and he always uses the BULLPEN to his advantage. All of the post season failures were JUST BAD LUCK. I’m happy to be a BRAVES FAN and COX should COACH FOREVER, no matter what.
DELUSIONAL AND NAIVE FANS!!!!
dogsbrekky (making a run, woo hooooo): “Pete, Rob, Larry, and other Bobby haters
……………..until then stfu”
You always this tough, or only when hiding behind a computer and who knows whose skirt?
dogsbrekky (making a run, woo hooooo)
Pete = very good points, but would you have started leibrandt (forget the spelling) again, think he lost that one and pitched below avg and then lost a latter game out of the pen, yes ??
August 12th, 20093:54 pm
Pete I apologize to you but not Larry, YAACA, Robert etc who beat the same dead horse all the time, becomes nauseating
but FWIW I can handle myself big guy
TommyP-Dude, I really don’t care if he’s upset about the incentives or not. Not only is it not MY problem, it isn’t even my favorite team’s problem.
you are all cox apologists…..I don’t think Cox is perfect, but i agree with dogsbrekky. You can’t blame Bobby for ‘91, ‘92, or ‘96. In ‘99 the Braves were just up against a monster yankee team that no one was going to beat. What did he do in those other world series that has you all worked up?? I doubt you can come up with a big mistake he made that cost them any of those titles.
I have used USAA for more than 25 years and never paid more than $50 for a windshield. Check your policy. GO BRAVES!
Nova Scotia Steve
Weaver pitching for LA…
Sheffield claimed and then pulled back off of waivers by Mets.
August 12th, 20093:55 pm
Lew: Then why did you bring it up??? LOL
Better to be a delusional fan than a complete and utter ass and Idiot.
August 12th, 20093:56 pm
Everyone knew when Charlie came out of the pen in the “Series” it was game over. Everyone except the guy who should have known the most!
August 12th, 20093:57 pm
I reported the “fake poster” who used my name at 3:30pm to DOB.
Be a man and come up with your own name.
And lose the cap lock. It doesn’t make what you say any more relevant and won’t do anything to convince we delusional fans that you have a clue.
Oh God. We are going to debate all of the Braves playoff loses to decide if Bobby caused the losses? I think you boys need a seperate blog. It’s in the past. No one else cares!
Diving in on the Cox debate….don’t forget the job he did to get the Braves to the Series the year we had so many injuries. I know we lost to the Yanks but can’t remember the year.
Our World Series lineup had to be one of the worst in many, many years that season.
Lew: “Pete-Yeah, we know. And Kelly Johnson’s drop up caused us to tank in 08. You’re really concentrating on insignificances.”
If you think losing a game winning 10-3 in the 7th to the #1 rival and reigning WS Champs is “insignificant”, more power to you. And no you cant point to “any particular game” because this particular loss was a 2 game swing, as opposed to a 1 game swing vs. another team. Nice try.
It doesn’t matter who the manager is, some people on here will always complain. It gets really tired after a while.
August 12th, 20093:58 pm
Paul-Identity crisis is probably the least of their mental disablities.
njbraves – I place the blame for 1996 on
That effing umpire who interfered with that bloop into rf, I blame Charlie hayes for dribbling a ball along 3rd that was a fluke, I blame Wohlers for throwing that “slider” instead of a 100 mph fastball (even though the hitter was a flat-out fball hitter), I blame Cone for outpitching maddog etc etc
How’s the weather in Atlanta folks? Any chance we’re gonna get the game in tonight?
August 12th, 20093:59 pm
monty…….the fake poster is back.
TommyP…great point. It was ‘99.
If I don’t want Cox managing the team, I can certainly voice my opinion. Who are you to say leave the blog just because I KNOW the Braves would do better under better management? I LOVE THE BRAVES just as much as you do. I watch the games and pull for them to win. I am heart broken when the Braves lose, my day just doesn’t flow the same versus them winning. Cox seems like a great guy (except beating his wife) that is loyal and loves his players. All that said, he is not a good post season manager and has cost us multiple championships. If that doesn’t make you angry, you are not a REAL FAN.
What’s happening on here…I’m definitely not going to get involved in Braves past post-season loses.
That scares me.
August 12th, 20094:00 pm
Da Braves are going down tonight! Everybody at Turder field will be sad tongiht!
Yeah, LarOche is pretty good in the fifth spot…OK, then put BMac sixth until he snaps out of this “funk” (gettin’ tired of saying that, BMac…come on, buddy…)
Why Are People So Quick to Bash B-Macc on his problem of throwing out Basestealers when everyone knows that the Braves starters are among the worst in the league at holding on baserunners…?
See, problem is, not everybody knows that…whenever there’s a SB, people automatically point to the catcher (well, a lot of people do, anyway). Now, I only saw one of BMac’s throws last night (the one that Infante was charged an error on), so I can’t really speak for last night, but a lot of his throws are on the money, just too late.
There is that issue of stepping towards first, though, causing some throws to be too much on the 1B side of 2B.
I’m with you all the way there.
MFin04 The Nats were 5 for 5 against McCann last night in stolen bases (with the call at third being complete garbage).
Well, no, see, they were only 4-5. So what if that call was “garbage”! It was in our favor…besides, like I said, he’s owed a few CS for all the times umps have messed up by calling guys safe when they should be out (Beltran at 3B back in May) or, “Oops…I meant ball 4. That guy’s not really out.” (That one actually happened twice in one game, the second one was just worse.)
I’ll take that call at third last night! Why should we complain about it?
Pete-The point is that you can anally fixate on whatever game, inning, aspect of any loss All it gives you is an anal fixation and history will not change because you do. Preparation H may help with the pain in your butt.
August 12th, 20094:01 pm
Wow… what mature and well thought out comments…
You debate like an ACLU lawyer. Why discuss fact when emotion is so easy?
YAACA – I was pissed with Cox when he left Glavine in the 3rd game in 1999 WS and then I was more peeved when Wohlers came in and pitched like a ‘tard, reversing my original position….
see the manager can’t win whatever he does unless we win..
dogsbrekky…exactly. Bobby has made mistakes, but the Braves have had some tough breaks along the way too. ‘96 is the one that really burns my azz. I can’t stand the Yanks.
Lew, tell everybody how you like to sit around and smell your own farts.
August 12th, 20094:02 pm
We have the fastest guy in the East! A commodety that you all do not have!
The Braves Beat ... with Rick Springfield's colleague
John Smoltz Refuses Minor League Assignment with the Red Sox
… when can we expect his exhortations regarding the disrespect Theo Epstein is showing the legend (in his own mind).
August 12th, 20094:03 pm
dang, what is up with mclouth?
monty……..I reported both the fake posting of someone using my name at 3:40pm and 3:42pm to DOB.
Johnswon-I thought that was your breath over my shoulder.
I heard Smoltz would love to pitch for us. We have won 8 of the last 9! We could really use smoltz to get us off the fringe.
August 12th, 20094:04 pm
Your childish result to name-calling only confirms your lack of and inability to sufficiently use the English language. Plus, are you Cox’s grandson? If I don’t like Cox then that’s me, OK? I’ve never seen so-called men defend another MAN who they’ve never met. You are a man aren’t you?
Cox apologists……give me some proof that he has cost us multiple championships. Tell me one terrible decision Bobby made that directly affected the outcome of a WS.
Nobody likes a tattletale, Paul
At least we don’t have to deal with Ron Gant tonight.
No one could have forseen Wohlers giving up a HR on that slider, but certain things BC did back then(World Series games) made yor stomach cringe and you knew the outcome wouldn’t be good. Just a fact.
August 12th, 20094:05 pm
Lentz….we all know when it’s really you.
August 12th, 20094:06 pm
jeffrey d……..no one likes to be the victim of identity theft either.
August 12th, 20094:07 pm
Don’t forget when asking for one example of Cox costing a championship, they also need to PROVE that the team would have been in the playoffs to start with without Cox as the manager. Truth is, none of us really know what would have happened with a different manager. And I’m glad that we don’t have to know.
The Nats Ran at will on Hanson last night…Teams are taking his slow delievery to their advantage now that the scouting reports have gone around the league….
Ditto for the rest of our starters…Simply put I think the coaches need to stress on trying to keep baserunners honest…
Eric from MO
You all, everyone knows when you have to captilize your posts your arguements are weak.
August 12th, 20094:08 pm
dogsbrekky (making a run, woo hooooo): “Pete = very good points, but would you have started leibrandt (forget the spelling) again, think he lost that one and pitched below avg and then lost a latter game out of the pen, yes ??”
First, I appreciate and certainly accept your apology…we can have meaningful debates on here
and keep things clean at same time. Second, if you recall, MN. manager (forgot who) started Jack Morris so he could be available for 3 games, if need be (it was needed, and Morris did pitch in 3 games, going 2-1). My point is….and I cannot see how anyone could argue this…. that Cy Young Award Winner Tom Glavine had 4 days rest (pitched Game 5 vs. Pitt, day off next day, then games 6 and 7 off, then day off prior to WS) and Cox doesnt start him…..are you kidding me??
Pls give me any rationale you can come up with…ANY….for him starting Leibrandt over Glavine. You ALWAYS start your stud (Leibrandt??) unless hes injured or not enough rest etc. I will never understand Cox doing that, so if you (or anyone else) understand, pls let me know. Thats why I said Cox is fabulous in a 162 game season, but in playoffs/WS, he can leave you bewildered.
“Reported fake poster.”
I’m glad you “straightened” things out!
Mid Town Joe
Check out with the City of Brotherly Love is saying about Moyer:
bring on santa!
August 12th, 20094:09 pm
Lincecum was 5′ 2″ and 100lbs as a sophomore in high school, and 5′ 7″ 135lbs in college…now dominates in the bigs…except for vs. braves last time, of course
Apologistr-Are you? I was thinking you were more along the lines of something with prehensile toes. Close nut not quite.
August 12th, 20094:11 pm
Identity theft? You’re talking like somebody stole your credit card.
August 12th, 20094:12 pm
Great blog CR
What a day! Next thing you know your cable will go on the fritz.
I use USAA too. I finally got my girlfriend to switch and she loves them too
Tomahawkin (August 12th, 2009 1:46 pm): “And My Thoughts On Church….He has been a better acquistion than most fans think because he can spell Nate-Dawg A day off when Needed…”
Way to go out On a limb there, chIef.
And why do You wanna go puttin’ your own woRds into other peoples’ mouthS anyway? (Or your thougHts into their heads?)
Best I can recall, it was darn near unanimous that Wren was a genius for getting anything more than a giant-siZEd Butterfingers for Francoeur. And most here remember Church from his days with the Nats and his early days with the Mets — we all knew he was pretty darn good.
I think you’re projeCtIng your own initial doubts onto everybody else.
WhaDdaya say to tHat?
PS: note the weird caps, a la your own silly stylings.
certain things BC did back then(World Series games) made yor stomach cringe and you knew the outcome wouldn’t be good. Just a fact.
No… that’s a feeling, your own intuition.
A fact is something like “Lonnie Smith made a terrible baserunning mistake directly resulting in the winning run NOT scoring.” We can count this as fact because Lonnie Smith was quoted as saying, “I made the mistake of not looking in when I started running. If I saw the ball off the bat, there’s a good chance I could have scored. But I didn’t see it. I didn’t take that look in. That’s my mistake.”
See the difference?
August 12th, 20094:13 pm
Apologist-Does the fact that I HAVE met him make it any better in your eyes? Does the fact that it was Chipper who introduced us matter? Talk about juvenile with your innuendos and homophobic references. I’m not sure you’ll ever evolve to the point of juvenile behavior. Too far up the evolutionary ladder for you.
Louisville brave – Keep one on my niece up there, and one on Pitino, thanks.
I really hope the Braves do not resign Smoltz. We don’t have time for a reclamation project at this point in the season. We are at a point where 1 or 2 games might determine whether the Braves make the playoffs or not. We don’t have time for Smoltz to come in and relearn how to be a reliever. We do need another arm in the bullpen but not Smoltz.
August 12th, 20094:14 pm
Dogsbrekky, I missed part of your question….no I would absolutely NOT have started Leibrandt again in that Series, and Cox obviously didnt either. I do believe he realized his mistake but it was too late of course. Again…..can you or anyone name me one time a #4 starter starts Game 1 of WS other than injury etc? Of course not….its unprecedented.
August 12th, 20094:15 pm
Didn’t your teacher tell you to pre-read before you post? I can’t understand you lanaguage, maybe this will help……
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
If Smoltz comes to pitch for you guys, he really is desperate. Or could use counseling. No offense, but why would a 42-year-old go to the team with the majors’ worst record rather than accept a minor-league assignment with a club that has a good shot of reaching the postseason?
ATL Braves SUCKERED fan
I was hoping that Bobby would push Lowes start back to Friday and have either Kawakami or Medlen pitch tonight’s game. This will give us rotation as following: Lowe on Friday, JJ on Saturday, Javy on Sunday. High probability of taking either 2 out of 3 or swipping the series from Stinking Phillies…. YOUR THOUGHTS.
August 12th, 20094:16 pm
“Your childish result to name-calling only confirms your lack of and inability to sufficiently use the English language. ”
You left out the part about Lew crying and playing the victim. He likes to report postings after he gets ’schooled’ on the ‘ole blog.
Weaver’s ready to implode
woogidy (August 12th, 2009 1:47 pm): “By the way, these old geysers need to know when to hang it up. “
You mean “geezer”.
Old Faithful is an old geyser.
Pete – yes I agree well actually I have no idea what the answer is..but the implication was more that it was an error to NOT start Charlie in a later game, of course we will never know as it is all in the past.. anway on to tonight
let’s light up this Stammen guy like a pinball machine
August 12th, 20094:17 pm
ATL Braves SUCKERED fan
We debated that for pretty much a whole page….RE: Page 2
August 12th, 20094:18 pm
Bases loaded no out…for the Giants
Sorry just buzzing into this blog.
You all are Cox apologists: “Who are you to say leave the blog just because I KNOW the Braves would do better under better management?”
You have to realize some people grow huge stones while hiding behind a computer……simple as that.
August 12th, 20094:19 pm
Mid Town Joe
Will do…Pitino has a rep up here of being a womaniser, and allowing his players to thug it up a bit…most believe Pitino’s side of the story(including the authorities), but it goes to show how risky it can be when you go messing around in places you’re not sure about
August 12th, 20094:20 pm
But I agree….We should have set our rotation better for the Phillies series.
We had every opportunity to do so
August 12th, 20094:21 pm
Smoltz can only go and pitch for a team in playoff contention. If he goes to the Nats or any other team out of the race then I will lose all respect for him. Be a man and retire.
“When we signed Jamie Moyer in December it was under the pretense of being a starter,” Amaro said in a statement through a team spokesman. “But right now circumstances have changed and that’s why we’re moving him to the bullpen.”
ESL, anyone? I don’t think “pretense” was actually what he was going for there. Maybe “expectation”? Pretty lame “spokesman”, if you ask me.
Lew: “Pete-The point is that you can anally fixate on whatever game, inning, aspect of any loss All it gives you is an anal fixation and history will not change because you do. Preparation H may help with the pain in your butt.”
Nice to see such a stellar defense of your position……great baseball logic and understanding you have lol stick with the jokes
Something to think about
August 12th, 20094:22 pm
Nate McLouth is overrated and the Braves won’t be picking up his 2012 option(10 million).
Weaver gets out of a bases-loaded no-out jam…
Nova Sctia, you’d rather deal with nerdy birdy Boog than Gant? Gant is a good announcer, I think. Boog is too, just gets a little nerdy for me. What exactly does Gant do to irritate you?
August 12th, 20094:23 pm
Random, please try not to catch any of my grammatical mistakes- I am very sensitive.
WTG, Brett!!! (August 12th, 2009 1:47 pm)
Enough about the past and all this bickering. Let’s focus on the now. 1) We’re going to win tonight. 2) The Cubs will beat up on Pedro and the Phillies and 3) The Mets and Nationals will battle for last place in the NL East.
Nova Scotia – is that the good or bad weaver pitching today ?
i’m interested in hearing Lentz’s take on the Pitino situation…….. :-/
Jeff Weaver escapes from a bases loaded, 0 outs bottom of the 2nd. 0-0 going to the third.
August 12th, 20094:24 pm
Nova, SUCKERED –
This isn’t a bad time to take advantage of the off days and give Kawakami extra rest. At this point, every game’s important, anyway.
If we’re close to the Phils when we’re playing them in mid-September, however, then you’ll have a stronger case to move guys around beforehand.
August 12th, 20094:25 pm
Thanks Louisville brave. Ought to be a interesting recruiting year, especially if he loses a few out of the gate.
Steve from OH, having just admitted that you forgot about your team and and yet are still ahead of me…yeah, that makes you a jerk.LOL
Ron Gant is like the black man’s Tim McCarver.
(No racism or anything intended or involved in that comment either)
I like Boog…But I think both don’t have the best broadcasting voice I’ve ever heard.
Let’s just say Gant…..Needs some work
August 12th, 20094:26 pm
Simpson > Gant > Boog >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chip
August 12th, 20094:27 pm
Something how do you know they wont pick up. We stil have 2010 and 2011. He isnt underated, just having his worse season, nice try tho.
It doesn’t look like the good Weaver I’ll tell you that muich…but he pulled off a miracle last inning.
It also doesn’t look like the Cy Young performance he put on against us for 3 innings either.
I think he’s pitching for Billingsley today.
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