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Greg in TN
August 12th, 2009
2:48 pm
Afternoon denizens…
Pretty heartening display of baseball last night at 755 Hank Aaron Drive as the Braves took care of business and dispatched the Beltway Boys. The visitors got a heavy dose of Church, the Phenom and the Offensive Assasin, not necessarily in that order.
Watched the Beantown Brawl with a little amusement, and ran across video of what many long time Braves fans will likely remember as one of the nastiest games/brawls this franchise has taken part in.
To set the stage, it was an August 12, 1984 matinee tilt against the Braves and the visiting Padres at the old house on Capitol Avenue. Pads were in first in the division with the Braves a distant 9.5 games back. Pascual Perez started and immediately hit Alan Wiggins in the wallet to start the game.
Padre pitcher Ed Whitson attempted to hit Perez three times over his first two at bats and missed. One attempt in Perez’s at bat in the 2nd ended up being a wild pitch which allowed Rafael Ramirez to advance and eventually score. Whitson was eventually ejected, along with Padres manager Dick Williams, after attempting to hit Perez again in the 4th and was replaced by Greg Booker.
Things seemed to settle down until the 8th, when Craig Lefferts finally hits Perez which set off an ugly melee which included a cameo from an injured Bob Horner, who was in the pressbox at the start of the game, but went down to the clubhouse and got into uniform and stepped out to stop a charging Champ Summers from reaching Pascual, who would head to the Braves dugout during the first two bench clearers.
Finally, the benches cleared again in the ninth when the late Donnie Moore came in and hit Graig Nettles to lead off the inning.
Folks, this was an ugly, ugly game. Fans on the field, Padres jawing with fans behind the third base dugout and jumping on top of the dugout to try and go into the stands. Was interesting to see some names from the past: Washington, Ramirez, Perez, Horner, Bob Watson, Tony Brizzolara.
May want to watch this video kind of quick before MLB has it pulled. Enjoy denizens.
Part 1 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo2shxvmIHs
Part 2 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmUM59Jv1DM
Part 3 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELd29SF9RXo
Part 4 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ1iXW6YMGQ
owl hunter
August 12th, 2009
2:51 pm
Aside from maybe the Giants, we have a destinct advantage from a pitching standpoint over the other teams we are against. Chill with the Cox rage. That is sooo June!
RHR
August 12th, 2009
2:52 pm
If you want Smoltz back in the pen for Atlanta you are clearly a Phillies or Marlins fan. Or you just don’t watch games/read newspapers/climb out from under your rock very often.
owl hunter
August 12th, 2009
2:52 pm
Jaglawyer
RIGHT ON about Smoltz. Every pitch he makes now is one step further from retiring with dignity.
woogidy
August 12th, 2009
2:53 pm
apologists, that’s true. If they win 2 outta 3 from here on out, that’s 91-92 wins. So, yeah they’ve gotta win all of the series. They’ve been dong it for over a month (29-14 in their last 43) so who’s to say they can’t keep doing it?
Andrew in P-tang
August 12th, 2009
2:53 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIy2e-qx3aw&feature=related
MFin04
August 12th, 2009
2:54 pm
If the Braves continue to score 5-8 runs a game, they won’t have to worry about Bobby doing something stupid to screw up the teams chances of making the playoffs.
dondi
August 12th, 2009
2:54 pm
This has probably been discussed here many times before, but I didn’t see it. I’d like to know what you people think.
Over the last 40 games (1/4th of season), last 25 (since the AS break) and last 10, the Braves are playing at a .625, .640 or .700 clip respectively. So, the recent good play is more than a fluke and, assuming you avoid long-term injuries to key guys, there’s no reason to think it couldn’t continue. The .625 pace would mean 90 wins if they continue at that pace through the end of the season.
Question is, would that get them into the postseason?
Brooklyn Braves Brawler
August 12th, 2009
2:55 pm
The Braves matchup alot better in Turner ield than in Philly. I think the park is huge reason why. Those cheap HRs that Philly gets at home are just regular flyballs at the Ted! Hence the sweep last time.
On the other hand, Braves hitters probably look forward to going to Philly hit. we haven’t had a problem scoring runs in Philly, we just can’t hold the lead because our bullpen pitching is scared to make amistake over the plate in Philly.
You all are Cox apologists
August 12th, 2009
2:55 pm
Lowe has to be sharp tonight and we have to keep Morgan off the bases. McCann is awful at throwing out runners attempting to steal second. He’s great offensively but he could REALLY improve in that area. Also, it was great to see Infante in the lineup, his value is immeasurable.
Jaglawyer
August 12th, 2009
2:56 pm
Smotlz should have resigned for what Wren offered and ultimately retired as a Brave-icon. Instead, his ego got in the way of his brain. I personally won’t forget his whinning and crying, and I know now that Wren is so thankful of his decision to go to Boston because it makes Wren look like a genius.
How is that for “k”arma, John? Oh, and all this talk about how “great” he is on the golf course . . . please.
Steve from OH
August 12th, 2009
2:56 pm
Over the last 40 games (1/4th of season), last 25 (since the AS break) and last 10, the Braves are playing at a .625, .640 or .700 clip respectively.
Whoa, whoa, whoa! I thought we weren’t good enough to do that again! I mean, we haven’t done that since we made the playoffs that one time, and now…wait…we might make the playoffs.
Logic just went out the back door…
Paul Lentz
August 12th, 2009
2:58 pm
Jaglawyer………thanks for the props with your 11:18am posting.
I just wish that people would focus on what will REALISTICALLY help the Braves not only win this year, but for years to come.
The John Smoltz of 2009 is not someone I want on our team. I dont care what the stats say about how “effective” the Smoltz of 2009 has been in his first 2 innings pitched of a game. What I do know is that I find it hard to believe that John Smoltz would accept a 7th inning role in the bullpen. Baseball is a very mental game as well.
Look at it this way. How many times have you see a closer come into the game in a “non-save” situation and get hammered? After being either a front line starter or closer throughout this 20 year career……is it realistic to believe that Smoltz can make that adjustment MENTALLY and be an effective 7th inning guy?
Uh, to those of you who are clamoring for Smoltz to be our closer……you can FORGET ABOUT THAT. You need to get a refund from your dope dealer if you believe that he should be closing games over Soriano.
BossLady
August 12th, 2009
2:59 pm
Progressive? USAA? However, State Farm Is No. 1
Main Street Mafia
August 12th, 2009
3:00 pm
Cox, I agree that Mac really needs to work on that but last night Tommy didn’t give him much of a chance. His delivery is SOOOOO SLOW. That’s something he’ll need to work on. Jordan Zimmerman stole his first base of the season off of Tommy and Mac for crying out loud.
Steve from OH
August 12th, 2009
3:01 pm
I dont care what the stats say
Yeah, you’ve made that pretty clear during your tenure here.
Or am I being a jerk?
MFin04
August 12th, 2009
3:01 pm
The Nats were 5 for 5 against McCann last night in stolen bases (with the call at third being complete garbage).
David O'Brien
August 12th, 2009
3:02 pm
RHR: Glad you put it gently (or at least more gently than I might have) to CrimeDog about his not “getting” the connection between Ryan Zimmerman and the organist playing a Dylan tune….
Bay Area Steve
August 12th, 2009
3:02 pm
Crawling out from under my rock…
Smoltz could be effective out of the ‘pen. Watched several starts; his stuff is not the problem. For a prorated, league-minimum, I’d give him four or five, low-leverage situations, especially once rosters expanded, to see what he could do.
Random, interesting theory, the sarcasm filter. Since most of mine are…And, you’re right about it not being a size, profanity, normal-filter thing…
AustinBrave
August 12th, 2009
3:03 pm
According to espn.com Smoltz could be headed to the Cardinals or the Rangers.
sri
August 12th, 2009
3:06 pm
For the stat nerds..
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Arho05BMy0GAWYuiMqb8LWE5nYcB?slug=jp-fangraphs080509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
AustinBrave
August 12th, 2009
3:07 pm
Whats the weather like in Atlanta? Are we going to play ball tonight?
Bobby's Cox
August 12th, 2009
3:08 pm
I wouldn’t mind having Smoltz back. Would probably be good for the clubhouse, fans, etc… Also think he could be effective for an inning. Sign him, send him on a minor league assignment, & see how he does working out of the pen in Gwinett. We could still use some bullpen help. Not sure Smotlz is the answer, but it’s worth a try for the stretch run if he does well in AAA.
Larry
August 12th, 2009
3:08 pm
I bet Pedro gets rocked tonight
Pete
August 12th, 2009
3:08 pm
Paul Lentz: “The Braves did not do Glavine wrong. Glavine’s shoulder did him wrong”
Could not agree with you more. Also, most have long forgotten how Glavine crapped all over the Braves when he left for the Mets. Loyalty, respect, appreciation, etc. is supposed to work BOTH ways…..not just for the player.
sri
August 12th, 2009
3:09 pm
A while back, there was some discussion about pitch counts with young players.. Most of us dont realize how much abuse a pitchers arm goes through..
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/magazine/09littleleague-t.html?_r=2&ref=magazine&pagewanted=all
You all are Cox apologists
August 12th, 2009
3:09 pm
I haven’t complained about Cox just yet. Lately, the team has been winning, but, even in our wins he does stupid things like pitch Soriano with a huge lead or take out a starter in full control of the game and pitch count. Cox is a great clubhouse guy but a horrible tactician, reason why we only won 1 WS out of 14 postseason appearances.
The Braves and Bobby Cox are like a car with engine trouble. It may run for now, but sooner or later, the flawed engine will disable the car and need to be replaced. Bobby Cox is the engine and the team is the
car.
GUYS, WE HAVEN’T MADE THE PLAYOFFS YET.
RHR
August 12th, 2009
3:09 pm
You make more sense in the middle of the night, BAS. No really, I get what you’re saying…but just…ship sailed, train already left the station, bridge burned. Even if the braves would do it, and I don’t think they would, I can’t see Smoltz tucking tail and come crawling back. If I were him, I’d rather just retire if that was my only option…and I don’t have half his ego.
DOB – glad you weren’t on duty at the time …your head might have exploded.
owl hunter
August 12th, 2009
3:09 pm
Smoltz won’t go to the minors. He just refused an assignment for the Sox. Bobby Cox will turn into a magical unicorn before Smoltz comes back. He’s DONE, son!
Paul Lentz
August 12th, 2009
3:10 pm
Bay Area Steve………….you are not taking into the account the “mental” aspect of accepting a certain role on a team. Sure, “in theory”, Smoltz could come in and possibly be an effective 7th inning guy.
However, at his age, how often could he be counted on to realistically come in and pitch? Every other day? Every 2 days? He’s also still recovering from his arm injury.
Also, could Smoltz MENTALLY (not to mention his EGO) accept a 7th inning role on a team? A team whose management he RIPPED in the off season?
To me, it’s too much a gamble to risk giving him a spot in the bullpen. And besides, he will more than likely be playing for another team before September 1st, which is when the rosters expand.
Steve from OH
August 12th, 2009
3:10 pm
I’m apathetic on Smoltz. Wouldn’t mind if he came back as a middle reliever, wouldn’t mind if he went elsewhere.
Jaglawyer
August 12th, 2009
3:10 pm
Smoltz is like the nub of a bar of soap that lingers on your shower floor for a few days until it is replaced . . . “washed up.”
Who really thinks Smoltz would want to come back for a part-time role? That is the equivalent to Rocky Balboa, the former heavy weight champ, going back to Mick’s to carry out the spit buckets. I’m sure the Braves Front Office Brass can’t wait for Smoltz to come back and beg for mop up duties . . .
Brett Esterson
August 12th, 2009
3:11 pm
Enough about Smoltz and Glavine, they aren’t on the current team and shouldn’t be either. Make them offers to be pitching coaches when the time is right and that’s that. Yes, Smoltz might be better than Acosta on some nights but it’s not worth it after everything that has happened. Move on, focus on what Huddy can give this team when he returns.
Marc in FL
August 12th, 2009
3:13 pm
Your windshield replacement shouldn’t cost you a dime, most insurance companies will cover it 100%. But it’s probably too late now
Let’s kick some A tonight Braves!
TommyP
August 12th, 2009
3:14 pm
After what occurred with Smoltz this offseason, there will be no reunion on the playing field for the two parties. Smoltz said too much in January and after the Glavine PR debacle. Too many egoes involved for Smoltz to return to Atlanta.
And for you country music fans……
http://www.cmt.com/videos/studio-330-sessions/zac-brown-band/324236/toes.jhtml?id=1601835
This from Ben Nicholson-Smith on MLBtraderumors.com concerning the Moyer decision:
The Phillies’ decision to bump Jamie Moyer to the bullpen for Pedro Martinez may be the right baseball decision, but as Nick Kapur pointed out last month at UmpBump.com, the move has major financial implications. Moyer’s contract incentives are based on innings pitched and games started so they’ll be much harder to reach out of the ‘pen. Moyer has started 22 games and pitched 123.3 innings, so he would have started about 30 games and pitched about 180 innings if he’d stayed in the rotation all year. Here are some incentives in his contract:
$250k for 150, 160, 170, 180 and 190 innings.
And a few ways he could boost his 2010 salary:
Moyer adds $250k to his salary when he starts his next game and again if he reaches 150 IP.
His salary rises by $500k when he starts his 25th, 27th, 29th and 31st games.
It increases by the same amount when he reaches 160, 170, 180 and 190 innings.
Had Moyer stayed in the rotation long enough to make 30 starts and pitch 180 innings, he would have received $1MM more this year and $3.5MM more next year. He could still reach some of these marks, but it’s no wonder he’s disappointed.
Pete
August 12th, 2009
3:15 pm
You all are Cox apologists: “Cox is a great clubhouse guy but a horrible tactician, reason why we only won 1 WS out of 14 postseason appearances.”
No truer words have ever been spoken! Give me Cox for a 162 game season, but when the playoffs start, no thanks. He manages same way during season as he does during playoffs (giving players time off, not setting up rotation properly, etc.) and you just cant do that in the playoffs. Beng a superior tactician in a short series is far more important than making everyone happy in the clubhouse.
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
August 12th, 2009
3:15 pm
Look, the Glavine thing was handled wrong from the way Wren and JS approached him. Also, I think the last couple of “rehab” starts could’ve been cancelled because they already had made their decision. From that standpoint the situation was handled poorly. However, the decision to let him go wasn’t. Is there anybody here (especially those fools who were complaining at the time) who would rather have Glavine than Hanson?
You all are Cox apologists
August 12th, 2009
3:15 pm
Um, don’t we have Buddy Carlyle and Tim Hudson scheduled to come off the DL? How about we wait to see if they can contribute before we go trading and signing everybody? OK?
BMoney
August 12th, 2009
3:15 pm
Lay off McCann guys. Last night he wasn’t very good w/ throwing runners out but did you see Hanson’s delivery to the plate? It’s just as much Hanson’s fault that they were stealing those bases. His delivery to the plate was pretty slow and then couple that with Mac’s footwork going towards first base and alot of major league players could steal a bag or two. Calm down, I think Mac has gotten a little better this year w/ his defense. Just remember that you’re talking about fractions of a second to get someone out and if the pitcher doesn’t give you some help, then it takes a young Pudge to be throwing people out. I’ll take Mac’s bat any day over a catcher that can’t hit but can throw people out.
Tomahawkin
August 12th, 2009
3:16 pm
Why Are People So Quick to Bash B-Macc on his problem of throwing out Basestealers when everyone knows that the Braves starters are among the worst in the league at holding on baserunners…?
McDowell Needs to coach our pitchers better at keeping basestealers honest on the basepaths…
I for One think that B-Macc has made great improvement in his footwork this year and has gotten a lot better at his throws to second…
MFin04
August 12th, 2009
3:17 pm
I agree with Brett. Smoltz probably is a slightly better reliever than Acostus, but all the crap/distractions that comes with Smoltz isn’t worth marginally upgrading.
Paul Lentz
August 12th, 2009
3:17 pm
Pete………thanks for the 3:08pm props. It’s still amazing how so-called Braves fans “forgot” about the circumstances and expectations concerning Tom Glavine when he was signed in March. All they could see was “poor Tom Glavine, we promised him he could pitch and BIG BAD Frank Wren treated him like trash”. What a freaking joke.
I remember the UPROAR in early June when Frank Wren announced that Tom Glavine was being cut and Tommy Hanson was going to be called up. I had be advocating for that move for OVER a month, when it became apparent that Glavine was taking too long to come back. The financial implications of adding Glavine to the roster, especially given that the Braves need to find some help with the offense, made cutting Glavine a necessity. When Frank Wren was able to swing the McLouth, that probably sealed Glavine’s fate.
Eric from MO
August 12th, 2009
3:17 pm
Bobbys Cox I dont think he would be good for club house. He pretty much threw the team under the bus on the way out of town. We have a good chemistry right now. We dont need to mess it up.
Pete
August 12th, 2009
3:17 pm
David O’Brien: “RHR: Glad you put it gently (or at least more gently than I might have) to CrimeDog about his not “getting” the connection between Ryan Zimmerman and the organist playing a Dylan tune….”
Dave, there can be no doubt he put it far more gently than you would have lol
You all are Cox apologists
August 12th, 2009
3:18 pm
Brett Esterson,
I totally agree. Who cares about Smoltz? I’m indifferent to the whole thing. Lets try and win with the guys on the team, well, maybe except Norton.
Tomahawkin
August 12th, 2009
3:19 pm
Pedro Will Go 5 innings tonight and their offense will bail him out “Bank On It!”
I’m ready for us to take on Pedro and rake his (Exepletive)
He was Garbage against us during his final day with the Melts…
B-Macc Owned Him…especially in 2006-07
BMoney
August 12th, 2009
3:19 pm
Wow Tomahawkin, we think alike.
Lew
August 12th, 2009
3:20 pm
Brooklyn Braves-Considering that the Braves have won 4 of 6 IN Philadelphia this year, I’m not so saure your assertions hold up. As for the bullpen not holding the leads-that happened once. In the other loss, we were already losing 8-3 when O’Flaherty gave up two late inning runs. No blown leads there.
lexbrave
August 12th, 2009
3:20 pm
what bothers me about smoltz, and i can’t believe the redsox couldn’t see this, is that the guy was pretty darn good for an inning..he just couldn’t last a 2nd time through an order…. that has speciality reliever written all over it..
i’d prefer smoltz to just retire.. i don’t think i could handle it if he wen’t to cardinals and performed well in that role.
DAP
August 12th, 2009
3:20 pm
if the braves win every 3 game series, and split 4 gamers and the current two gamer, (meaning a loss tonight) they will win 90 games.
do it, braves.
sri
August 12th, 2009
3:21 pm
From Callis’ chat earlier..
Alex (PA): Talk about my boy Heyward!
Jim Callis (2:48 PM): He’s the best prospect in the minors! The Braves should call him up!
lexbrave
August 12th, 2009
3:22 pm
but from smoltz’s point of view, i can’t imagine why he’d risk further humiliation by going to yet another team.
Eric from MO
August 12th, 2009
3:22 pm
TommyP that explains why Moyer is so pissed. I wondered why, because this kind of thing has happened before in his career. This time it effects his pocketbook.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
August 12th, 2009
3:23 pm
Robert (CITB), I dunno. I’d have to review the dates and games, but it seemed to me as if the Braves gave Glavine a break by letting him pitch his way into game shape before letting him go. At least it allowed him to audition for other teams who may have wanted to sign him after he was released. And it gave Hanson a couple more outings to get ready for his call-up.
The release was handled clumsily, without question. But the Braves F.O. agreed that Glavine didn’t have enough to get out big league hitters. The fact that he didn’t really try out for other teams suggests that Glavine understood that, eventually. It’s still too bad he didn’t have the opportunity to make a couple of farewell starts before retiring.
AustinBrave
August 12th, 2009
3:23 pm
TommyP- That video made my day. Thats what I need.
Thanks
Jonathon
August 12th, 2009
3:24 pm
I think it was Ryan Zimmerman, not Jordan Zimmermann, who stole his first base of the year off of Hanson/McCann last night.
TommyP
August 12th, 2009
3:24 pm
Going to the Cards would afford Smoltz the chance to face the Braves. (and I’m sure he’s still bitter)
IF Heyward gets called up, what spot in the lineup would you put him?
I’m all for #7 hole. The #8 hole gets pitched around too much so he’d never see strikes. #7 spot might be right.
ease19
August 12th, 2009
3:24 pm
Steve from OH, I don’t know about others but you have been a jerk to me all season, and spotts, Gibby, DAP, Steve McP, N Nine, etc..
The_Superhoo
August 12th, 2009
3:25 pm
Carroll,
I’ve got USAA too (in the Air Force). Its pretty damn good.
monty
August 12th, 2009
3:26 pm
A couple of weeks ago on here I stated that Chipper didn’t look to me to be standing as tall at the plate as he used too, he looked a little “hunched over”. Could it be that Chipper actually reads this…no, surely he doesn’t. Anyway, just glad to be of service to my team!
TnBrian
August 12th, 2009
3:26 pm
MERCY! Check out that Vegas dancer chick at the top of the page. She has some big… eyes.
Art Vandalay
August 12th, 2009
3:26 pm
That comment from Ryan Church is beyond a breath of fresh air after 4 unbearable whinning years from Jeff Francoeur crying if Bobby Cox looked at him funny. This teams resurgence is no coincidence, Francoeur was a cancer in that club house.
Thrillhouse44
August 12th, 2009
3:26 pm
if the braves win every 3 game series, and split 4 gamers and the current two gamer, (meaning a loss tonight) they will win 90 games.
do it, braves.
How about a win tonight and make it 91?
TommyP
August 12th, 2009
3:27 pm
AustinBrave: Those guys are REALLY good. He’s like a modern-day Charlie Daniels.
Here’s another great one. If you watch it, enjoy the very end where that guy shows he can pick it.
http://www.cmt.com/videos/studio-330-sessions/zac-brown-band/324235/chicken-fried.jhtml?id=1601835
AndyC
August 12th, 2009
3:27 pm
Carroll
USAA is rated as the best insurance company in the country. Well done.
Steve from OH
August 12th, 2009
3:27 pm
ease, is it because I forgot about my team for three months? I’m sorry!
Somehow, I’m not last either!
TnBrian
August 12th, 2009
3:27 pm
Well now she’s not on there. Why would they go and do that?
Tomahawkin
August 12th, 2009
3:28 pm
I want Smoltz to go to the Rangers…
With their Offense he’d be a good addition…Plus I’m on the Rangers Bandwagon…I want them to take out the Red Faux for the WC…Plus Smoltz wuld be a good veteran presence for the Rangers…
Keeping It Real
August 12th, 2009
3:28 pm
Keeping It Real
Steve from OH,
Your no answer is no surprize and it explains your point of view and your lack of substance. You are a non-entity.
Pete
August 12th, 2009
3:29 pm
Lew: “Brooklyn Braves-Considering that the Braves have won 4 of 6 IN Philadelphia this year, I’m not so saure your assertions hold up. As for the bullpen not holding the leads-that happened once.”
That “once” was probably the ugliest and most significant loss in the last 5 years for the Braves. If Braves held a 10-3 lead in the 7th, theyre now in 2nd place and 2 1/2 behind as opposed to 3rd place and 4 1/2 behind. That single game could easily cost the Braves a post season berth.
fleming
August 12th, 2009
3:29 pm
Dap
If the braves win every 3 game series, and split 4 gamers and the current two gamer, (meaning a loss tonight) they will win 90
Winning every 3 game series the rest of the year would be tough but a nice winning streak makes it where you don’t need to win every series. Let’s get an 8 or 10 game streak going (Hey Washington just did it) and make it easier on ourselves.
monty
August 12th, 2009
3:29 pm
Given a decent hold by the pitcher McCann can throw very well. Not quite as well as Ross but more than adequate.
Lew
August 12th, 2009
3:30 pm
TommyP-I find it really hard to squeeze out any sympathy for Moyer’s pocketbook issues at age almost 47. Dude has made over $68 million (through 08). He should no longer HAVE pocketbook issues and should be glad with his 5.30 something ERA that they don’t just DFA him.
Nova Scotia Steve
August 12th, 2009
3:30 pm
Go Dodgers!
Rob from SC
August 12th, 2009
3:30 pm
TommyP
August 12th, 2009
3:24 pm
Going to the Cards would afford Smoltz the chance to face the Braves. (and I’m sure he’s still bitter)
IF Heyward gets called up, what spot in the lineup would you put him?
Hit him in front of Chipper Jones
I would go
Prado 1
Heyward 2
Jones 3
CB
August 12th, 2009
3:31 pm
Tomahawkin, that might be enough motivation for Smoltz. He hates better than he loves.
CharlieAlphaBravo
August 12th, 2009
3:31 pm
I believe the Braves recent surge can be wholly attributed to Bobby Cox. Thoughts??
Lew
August 12th, 2009
3:31 pm
Pete-Dude, a good bit of what imploded has either left for other teams or turned their season around. In case you don’t remember, that “One” game was the third of the season. LKife has changed considerably since then. Just ask Blaine Boyer.
Ashley
August 12th, 2009
3:32 pm
I’ve been with USAA since my teens, as a military dependent. They totally rock! I started with auto, moved to apartment renters insurance, and now have homeowner.
Rob from SC
August 12th, 2009
3:32 pm
sri
August 12th, 2009
3:21 pm
From Callis’ chat earlier..
Alex (PA): Talk about my boy Heyward!
Jim Callis (2:48 PM): He’s the best prospect in the minors! The Braves should call him up!
Baseball America knows what they are talking about.
dogsbrekky (making a run, woo hooooo)
August 12th, 2009
3:33 pm
Pete, Rob, Larry, and other Bobby haters
Did you actually watch the WS we lost. if you seriously think Bobby cost us 1991, 92 or 96 then you must have been watching different series. instead of just blasting away with your negative bollocks actually give us some example games where Bobby messed up…
until then stfu
Dr Hoo
August 12th, 2009
3:37 pm
Looks like I win my preseason bet that Hanson would have more wins this year than Smoltz and Glavine combined…
submariner
August 12th, 2009
3:37 pm
Carroll, it’s not A.J. Happ……it’s J.A. Happ.
Lew
August 12th, 2009
3:38 pm
Pewte-Maybe a closer look at that game mightgive you a somewhat different outlook.
O’Flaherty gave up 2 ER and had an ERA of 10.80. Now it is 3.52 and is one of the league leaders in appearances.
Moylan gave up 4 ER and had an infinite ERA. He now has a 3.40 ERA and leads the league in appearances.
Boyer gave up 2ER and is now with his third team-not the Braves.
Campillo gave up an ER and is now on the DL for the entire season.
Bennett pitched too, giving up NO runs, but he’s gone, too.
What exactly leads you to believe this will happen again?
TommyP
August 12th, 2009
3:39 pm
Lew: I don’t believe Moyer ever claimed to have financial issues. He’s probably ticked ’cause he just came out of July with a 4-1 record and a 3.30 ERA. If he’s getting bumped out of the rotation for Cliff Lee, I’m sure he’d understand. But I’m pretty sure you’ve been the chorus-leader in how washed up Pedro is….maybe Moyer supports your view?
wjones
August 12th, 2009
3:39 pm
“I don’t know if its fair to say “its the kind of game KK wins”…I mean he’s had two amazing starts of them…The Blue Jays back in May and the Dodgers…out of 16 or 17 starts.
Like yeah the guy has stepped up…his biggest game of the year more than likely being the Dodger game…because of timing.
But twice he’s pitched himself a gem and three months in between them??? Like c’mon
I don’t think that proves he’s a big game pitcher…I don’t even think its remotely close…”
Seems like everyone forgets the Yankees game. He was pitching a PERFECT GAME when he got lined in the neck and had to go out of the game. I would count that on the “big game” ledger. Arguably the best lineup in baseball, without a doubt one of the best 3 to 5.
Biff Pocaroba
August 12th, 2009
3:40 pm
YAACA, I can’t relenquish the thought of people like you and your broken record B.S. going away forever. Please leave. Please.
Pete
August 12th, 2009
3:40 pm
Lew: “Pete-Dude, a good bit of what imploded has either left for other teams or turned their season around. In case you don’t remember, that “One” game was the third of the season. LKife has changed considerably since then. Just ask Blaine Boyer.”
Yep….and 3rd game of season is just as important as the 153rd game, as youre finding out. Your point about many have left is certainly a valid one, except Cox is still there. So Ill ask you this: how can any manager watch his team up 10-3 in the 7th, then 10-4, then 10-5, 6, 7, 8, and 9…..and leave BOTH his best relievers sitting in the pen? Let me know.
monty
August 12th, 2009
3:40 pm
What’s up with PAul Lentz saying “he loves men”?
You all are Cox apologists
August 12th, 2009
3:42 pm
dobgsbrekky, (what a lame and stupid name)
NO. We will not provide you with specific examples of Cox’s MANY FAILURES IN THE POST SEASON. If you are too stupid to see that Cox isn’t perfect, then you are the dumb one buddy.
Answer this, IS COX PERFECT? WHAT LOSSES CAN WE BLAME HIM FOR? OR, IS COX PERFECT AND HAS NEVER MADE A TACTICAL ERROR IN HIS LIFE? You stfu!
monty
August 12th, 2009
3:43 pm
W jones
Since the ALL-Star break the BRaves pitcher with the highest ERA has been HAnson. You don’t find people bashing him, KK has made many “good” starts” with 2 exceptional ones!
DAP
August 12th, 2009
3:44 pm
fleming, an 8 game win streak would be a win tonight and then a sweep of the phillies, which would set us up very nicely for a stretch run. lets do it! (by the way, im of the opinion that winning every series is easier than an 8-10 games win streak)
Pete
August 12th, 2009
3:45 pm
dogsbrekky (making a run, woo hooooo): “Did you actually watch the WS we lost. if you seriously think Bobby cost us 1991, 92 or 96 then you must have been watching different series. instead of just blasting away with your negative bollocks actually give us some example games where Bobby messed up…”
In fact I did, and now Im not sure you did. Ill start with 1991….have you ever seen a manager in the last 40 years or so name a Game 1 WS starting pitcher, and then (except for injury or a 4-0 sweep) never start that same pitcher again? Let me know when you figure that one out, and Ill move on to the next one. Thanks.
Lew
August 12th, 2009
3:46 pm
TommyP-No, I think they’re both washed up and it doesn’t matter to me which one pitches-unless it’s Moyer against the Marlins (a good bit of that record and ERA, IMO cause he owns them), it only gives us more chance to advance when they get their butts handed to them However, someone was saying he might be upset because he wouldn’t get those financial incentives. Not so sure why he’s concerned if that’s the reason. He should be pretty flush by now.
dogsbrekky (making a run, woo hooooo)
August 12th, 2009
3:47 pm
YAACA – same old negative bollocks, just take your bat and ball and go play on a different field, take the hate away mate, bye bye
jeffrey d
August 12th, 2009
3:47 pm
I think Pedro’s gonna be an unpleasant surprise for us
Paul Lentz
August 12th, 2009
3:47 pm
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)………..”a couple of farewell starts” for Tom Glavine would have meant at least $1 mil in “welfare payments” to an “over the hill, injury prone, lucky to go 5 innings, 80mph fastball throwing” Tom Glavine.
I mean, heaven forbid if some poor single mom has a few kids out of wedlock and applies for $300 a month in food stamps. Yet if the Braves save a million by cutting Tom Glavine, then all of a sudden it becomes “Liberty and the Braves are a cheap organization”.
I love sports. However the sports world can really warp a person’s mind when it comes to keeping things in perspective.
Carroll Rogers
August 12th, 2009
3:48 pm
Lineup, as we know it now anyway:
1. Church CF
2. Prado 2B
3. Jones 3B
4. McCann C
5. Anderson LF
6. Escobar SS
7. LaRoche 1B
8. Diaz RF
9. Lowe P
Warren Sphan
August 12th, 2009
3:49 pm
Moyer should be their closer!!!
Louisville brave
August 12th, 2009
3:49 pm
Lincecum on the hill for the G-men today