5:39 pm August 6, 2009, by David O'Brien
Ron in Mobile
August 6th, 20099:08 pm
You gonna tell DOB to can it too?
Damn, Smoltz got rocked. Again.
That, sir, is putting it mildly. He got his mammary glands ripped.
LA is going to have Wolf batting 8th in front of J. Pierre?? I thought only LaRussa batted the pitcher in spots other than 9th
August 6th, 20099:09 pm
DOB, any comments on the Braves signing their first round pick, and the hubbub over us signing him over slot?
Braves Sign Minor For $2.42 Million
Posted Aug. 6, 2009 10:57 am by Jim Callis
“… Two sources said that Minor could have signed months earlier if not for interference from MLB. Minor and the Braves agreed in principle on the $2.42 million bonus before the draft—but before Atlanta received official word that the slots were reduced. The commissioner’s office pressured the Braves not to make the above-slot deal official so they wouldn’t hurt the Reds in their attempt to sign Arizona State righthander Mike Leake, the No. 8 pick, to a below-slot bonus.”
That sounds kind of fishy to me, and at worst sounds like the evil “C” word the Player’s Union likes to use.
So is the jist of that accurate, and how much do you think not signing Minor two months ago sets him and the Braves back?
John Smoltz looks ABSOLUTELY FINISHED. A darn shame too, what a crappy way to end a career worthy of a HOF.
Still doesn’t look right wearing that Red Sox jersey.
I’ll also say that I give Wren a lot of credit for having the stones to say no to Smoltz, let him walk, and then later dismiss Glavine like a 5th grader caught stealing when he knew that Tommy G. didn’t have it, and that Hanson was the better option.
August 6th, 20099:10 pm
McFann…not everyone here is obsessed with Mac’s numbers.
what kind of brain fart did Bobby Cox have to put Laroche batting 8th. That is the dumbest thing I have ever seen in my life. It just amazes me that people continue to think that booooby cox is a great manager. He is an absolute crazy man to hand that lineup in to the ump.
I think we need an intervention
It was a big pill to swallow. I’m not afraid to admit, nor do I think I’m alone, my eyes welted up upon hearing that news. It was, in a way, the end to my youth. I truly thought he would prove Frank and the Braves scouts wrong – Big time wrong. I was obviously misguided by my nostalgia. Reality reigns.
August 6th, 20099:11 pm
I think I’m going to give Frank Wren some money to invest. The guy can’t seem to make a wrong decision.
put your tommyhawks to the side the dodgers are here with the blue crush
August 6th, 20099:12 pm
I for one hope that Smoltz does the sign-and-retire, as a Brave.
Wren would probably yank the contract away right as Smoltz was about to sign it.
Anyone else think KK can’t get deep into games because he needs 100 pitches to finish the first 5 innings?? Amazing how people will blame everything on the offense, even a pitchers ineffectiveness.
N8……….I keep hearing the “oh, the insurance is covering it”. I would love for David O’brien to look into the “insurance” thing. For instance, how much of Hampton’s contract did “insurance” cover last year?
Regardless, I’m sure that the “insurance” isnt paid out until the end of the year. A team has to file a claim with the Insurance company first. And they cant do that until the year is over with. Hudson could have come back early. You cant assume that he will be out for the year. Or that he will come back in August.
Point is, when Frank Wren set the budget for this year………he could not assume that insurance was going to cover Hudson’s salary because he didnt know when Hudson would come back.
So in essence, Frank Wren couldnt fit a big bat into this year’s payroll. How hard is that for you (and others) to not understand?
You’re right CB……….Big Time.
August 6th, 20099:13 pm
McFann…can you provide us with Mac’s numbers against lefties, on Wednesday’s, in July? Thanks.
Smoltz reminds me of that Def Leppard lyric: “It’s better to burn out, (don don don don don don don) then to fade away” (don don da dot do do do doo)
August 6th, 20099:14 pm
FW looks like a genius with the way Smoltzy has thrown so far. Hopefully he’ll get it together so we can see him in the post season. Had Glavine been given a spot in the rotation I think we wouldve seen much of the same. Kudos to you FW.
August 6th, 20099:15 pm
dodgers rule, braves drool.
Reid in EAV
@PWHjort: Thanks! Though it’s basically a shameless lift from one SportsCenter anchor or another. I can’t really claim credit.
Lentz…I’m pretty sure insurance will cover half a salary if a guy is out for most of the year.
August 6th, 20099:16 pm
Smoltz will go in HOF as a Brave. Hope he will return as Braves Mgr or Coach.
But, If the Red Sox put John Smoltz on waviers, I wouldn’t mind if Wren bring him back here to pitch in the bullpen ! Heck, He could take KK’s place ! Could be no worse !
Smoltz is such a competitor. I wonder how he is taking this? If he still thinks he can pitch, then he aint done yet. But this could make him hang it up.
i thought torre would have learned from the last couple of times he did that…had 2 outs with the 7th spot coming up and the other team intentionally walked kemp (i think it was kemp) to get the pitcher….happened a couple of times to the dodgers…
We got a Dodger fan in here, call the exterminator!
Lentz…the Braves have said all along that they didn’t expect Huddy back until mid-August. Don’t bend the truth to prove your point.
August 6th, 20099:17 pm
njbraves can you provide us with Mac’s numbers against lefties, on Wednesday’s, in July? Thanks.
Yeah. It’ll take me a little while to dig them out, but I’ll do that for you.
August 6th, 20099:18 pm
smoltz has been doing fine for a few innings. I think the redsox may put him in their pen. They have to much invested to just release him.
Marc from FL
Ok guys enough rambling! Getting close enough to game, time for predictions!
I’m calling Braves win 5-3.
Lowe goes 6 innings, 7 hits, 2 ER, 4Ks
Moylan perfect 7th, 1K
Gonzo 2 hit, 1 walk, 1 ER, 2Ks
Soriano perfect 9th 2Ks
Wolf 5 innings 6 hits 4 ER 4Ks
Dodger Pen 4 innings, 4 hits, 1 ER, 5Ks
Escobar 3 for 5, 2 singles and a double, 3 RBI
McLouth 1 for 4, walk, solo homer
Anderson 2 for 4, 2 doubles, RBI
To say that Wren passed on signing Smoltz is not correct – he was outbid by the Sox. Wren made a contract offer in hopes of re-signing him.
Goodnight Mr. Smoltz
Supes, hat’s off to you — well said.
Earlier on, the Sox announced signing Paul Byrd to a minor league deal. Sounds like they were afraid the Smoltz experiment might fall down, go boom…..
August 6th, 20099:19 pm
Does anyone think Boston will DFA Smoltz? I just can’t see them putting up with too many more poor outings.
Lentz, I don’t think you get it. Earlier I brought up a valid point… your response was stating that my point was ‘irrelevant’. why? how? perhaps you felt that my argument was irrelevant because you still fail to understand why people aren’t on the Kawakami Express . The issue is on production… your argument was based on… i dunno. Something, I assume? No disrespect, but often it seems like you just spout out whatever is going through your head at any random moment to fit your own agenda.
you mentioned that Kawakami has pitched better in 2009 than Smoltz, Hampton and Glavine did in 2008… yes, that was true. Technically, we received more production from KK than those three. Because they were injured! It’s as simple as that. However, in 2008, Jorge Campillo pitched pretty solid. In fact, his numbers in 2008 were significanly better than we have seen from Kawakami in 2009. Campillo was more productive. Simple as that. End of story. (Yes, Campillo wasn’t going to be in the rotation this year. I agree. And he got hurt early on in the season. Also true. However, that isn’t the issue here. The entire issue is on production; or results, to be more specific)
The fact is, (regardless of salary). Kawakami’s production has been minimal. All year long. For the season he has averaged less than 6 innings per start. He often has thrown too many pitches to last long into the game, has continues to have long innings, and hasn’t earned a victory in a month. In fact, during this entire season, he has not won back-to-back starts…at all!
While he rarely gets lit up, he still has a problem of keep runners off the base, running up the count, pitching behind in the count, throwing 20 + pitches per inning. Part of the reason he hasn’t gotten torched too much is because he’s pulled before he has a chance to. His method thus far has been unproductive.
As for salary… It doesn’t matter if KK makes the league minimum or 7 million a year… you can’t sustain a spot in the rotation by pitching like that. If Atlanta has any chance of contending, Kawakami needs to pitch better. As it stands, in his starts, we typically have to go into the bullpen earlier in his games than for our other starters. This may lead to an unfortunate fallout for our other starters later in the season as they may have to work harder in order to lessen the work for a heavily taxed bullpen.
I don’t want Kawakami too fail, quite the contrary. I’d like him to succeed. He has shown glimpses that he can do it. But he needs to do it regularly. We need him to pitch better if we want any chance of contending this year. His production needs to improve. He needs to perform (as you would say)… ‘more consistently.’
Smoltz has the Modified Stableford Scoring System on his mind.
August 6th, 20099:20 pm
Supes………I have no problem with admitting I’m wrong either. However I will argue tooth and nail when I feel I’m right.
I understand the “PR” thing. However, I totally disagree that it was Frank Wren’s doing, as some on here have said. This was ALL Smoltz’s doing.
Same thing with the Tom Glavine thing. I felt that John Schuerholtz had no reason to hold that stupid press conference the day after the Braves released Glavine. He did that to APPEASE of number of weak minded, short sighted Braves fans. The Braves did not do Tom Glavine wrong. His injured shoulder did him wrong. The Braves signed Glavine back in the Spring, with the expectation that he would be ready to make his scheduled April 18th start (the first game that the 5th starter’s spot would come up, due to a number of off days in April).
When Glavine hurt his shoulder, that is when the Braves went with Jo Jo Reyes, and then Kris Medlen. When early June came around and Tommy Hanson’s development became too much to ignore. Also, when Glavine’s 83 MPH fastball failed to fool Minor League hitters………..Frank Wren had no choice but to let Glavine go. End of story.
By the way, Juan Pierre is batting ninth tonight, Wolf’s hitting eighth
August 6th, 20099:21 pm
I also think Smoltz is suffering the same fate as Peter Moylan. You simply can not rush back away from a surgery like that. It takes a little more time to completely heal. What ?! I just heard Kotchman hit a homerun against Chamberlin to night !
August 6th, 20099:22 pm
Despite his lack of playing time… Kotchman just seems to look happier when the camera does a close-up on his face.
norris, if tonites lineup works, i expect a written apology to everyone on here in the morning…if it doesn’t, i agreed with you… he must know something that we don’t, right? right? tell me he has a good reason for that..
two players we need to step it up a notch,,,chipper and nate.. i know nate had a good game the other day, but he needs to step it up a little bit…wonder if he has the ole “traded to a new team” syndrome.. some folks just don’t get comfy in a new situation
August 6th, 20099:23 pm
Is it just me or does it just sound like there is a perpetual “Boooo” at Yankee Stadium? Could just be the tv. Really Can’t stand these late starts when the Braves go out West. Don’t really mind the 9:00 ones as much as the 10:00 starts. I’m ready to see some NL baseball. I don’t mind the shorter games.
August 6th, 20099:24 pm
Me also think Chipper’s body is worn out, and is playing in pain. No room to play him elsewhere, huh?
August 6th, 20099:26 pm
Maybe I am a dork….but does anyone else think those programs on National Geographic (like that commercial just now on MLB Network) are cool?
August 6th, 20099:27 pm
stamper….it doesn’t matter what you say because Lentz “knows” KK will be better next year.
Hm, The Rockies are on a losing street !
August 6th, 20099:28 pm
hey thats fine about pierre . that means no Kemp in CF. he has had a helleva season i can deal with missin that bat tonight. Go Braves!!
didn’t know Yunel had a website…very nice!
great way to connect with the fans!
njbraves………….the POINT is that the a team has to FIRST file a claim. And they cant do that until the end of the year. You cant go into a season and say to the insurance company “it looks like Hudson is going to be out for most of the year. How about you give us $10 mil of the $13 mil that he is owed so we can go a sign a big bat”?
Hudson has to do his rehab first. If he comes back before the year is over with, then a team can begin to file a claim. And if you know anything about insurance claims, they arent exactly paid out right away…….ESPECIALLY claims that are into the millions. They have to investigate the claim before they pay it out.
Sure, Hudson was hopefully expected to come back in mid-August. However, he could have come back earlier……or……..he may not come back at all this year. Frank Wren simply could not factor in the “insurance” thing until after the season.
I losing streak !
August 6th, 20099:29 pm
Damn it, A losing streak ! Sorry !
“There’s a lemon behind that rock.”
I really don’t like these late games. Especially on weekdays.
August 6th, 20099:30 pm
That’s for darn sure
njbraves……..expecting Hudson to be back in mid-August is one thing. However you cant file a claim with the insurance company solely based on “expectation”. No insurance money is going to be paid out until after the season, at the earliest. Again, you are dealing with MILLIONS of dollars in a potential insurance claim. Frank Wren had to set his team budget BEFORE the season began.
August 6th, 20099:31 pm
Mark from Florida:
I predict braves 0 dodgers 5.3
with these numbers:
Lowe goes 9 innings, 7 hits, 6 ER, 0Ks 4 BBs
Wolf 5 innings 0 hits 4 ER 4Ks
Dodger Pen 4 innings, 0 hits, 1 ER, 12Ks
Escobar 0 for 5,
McLouth 0 for 4, walk,
Anderson 0 for 4, RBI
August 6th, 20099:32 pm
how did don imus get that? his wife is pretty hot, especially in that tight white t-shirt…man
August 6th, 20099:34 pm
sorry, just flipping the channels and caught a glimpse. threw me off a little..
August 6th, 20099:36 pm
StingerSplash, I sorry but Godfather does not compare to the Matrix. I believe its one of the greatest trilogys in movie history.
Man, that is just so wrong on so many levels. while I got as big a kick out out of The Matrix trilogy as anyone, to compare a pastiche of ideas ripped off from a dozen anime (Japanese cartoons) and hard core sci-fi like William Gibson to one of the seminal works in film history doesn’t suggest a lot of historical perspective.
The first two Godfather films are brilliant works. The Matrix trilogy is great popcorn cinema.
Smoltz is doing the James Caan bit in The Godfather this season- stubborn, and headed for a baaaaad ending.
August 6th, 20099:37 pm
stamper……..Campillo has been hurt all year long. If Kawakami was starting instead of a healthy Campillo, then I could understand your point. I am not disputing the fact that Campillo pitched better last year than Kawakami has this year. No doubt about that. However, given Campillo’s injury, saying that he pitched better last year than Kawakami has this year is irrelevant.
However, before the season started, many on here would have rather seen the Braves sign Smoltz and Hampton than sign Kawakami. That makes my argument RELEVANT because of the choices that Frank Wren had in the off season.
If Campillo was healthy at the beginning of the season, he would have been pitching in the 5th spot when Glavine got hurt. And when it became apparent that Hanson was ready to be called up, Kawakami could have very well been the one sent to the bull pen. However, he was hurt, so your argument is irrelevant.
August 6th, 20099:39 pm
gotta call in my wager, who do i need to go with?? need some help…heart’s telling me bravos, gut is telling me la…and that i’m hungry..
August 6th, 20099:40 pm
Damn, Smoltz got rocked. Again. (DOB)
Smoltz is suffering from “Cole Rohrbough Disease”
August 6th, 20099:41 pm
Lentz….dear God man…what is it that you don’t understand. Wren did try to sign both Hampton and Smoltz..HE DID!! No matter how many times you say he didn’t, the truth is he did.
August 6th, 20099:42 pm
Reading through the posts here, and I see the one about Smoltz “being due” for a good outing. This comment reminds me of similar calls made about Dale Murphy when he went into a perpetual power/hitting slump. Skip Caray must have said at least hundred times Murphy was due for a homerun during Dale’s last two years as a Brave.
Face it. Time waits for no one. Smoltz is done. There is no way he “bounces back” to anything. He is done.
Chipper’s time is coming, too. I really hate to see that happen.
August 6th, 20099:44 pm
watch princ’s solo at the end of this video……
August 6th, 20099:46 pm
Is it just me or does it just sound like there is a perpetual “Boooo” at Yankee Stadium?
They probably keep flashing a picture of Paul Lentz on the big screen.
August 6th, 20099:49 pm
Tonight’s game is yet another reason why the NL games, especially why those pitched by Mad Dog in his prime, are way better than these AL games. Mad Dog would be finished already in the showers with his 8 or 9 IP win….still in the top of the 6th in this poor excuse of a baseball game.
njbraves………..I believe that Frank Wren did some “posturing” when it came to his alleged attempts “re-sign” Smoltz and Hampton. It’s called “covering your A$$”. He made an offer to appease many Braves fans. I’m sure that he knew that openly deciding to not sign Smoltz would cause an uproar.
I want a GM who will sign the best players he can. I dont want my GM to make moves to APPEASE weak minded, sentimental fans.
August 6th, 20099:51 pm
Chipper’s time is coming, too. I really hate to see that happen.
I’m not ready to write off Chipper yet, but even if “he’s declining”, one can argue that for sure, the biggest concern is that the Braves HAVE no replacement in the minors currently or arriving anytime soon.
This “Hicks” fella isn’t going to do it.
Braves are in need of a top tier 3B prospect…in the next 2-3 years.
Probably one we acquire via trade?
Gave some misinformation about Braves’ hotel in L.A. a while back. They used to stay at downtown Marriott, but now stay at the Langham Hotel & Spa in Pasadena. Ritzy place, grand old joint. CBS and Fox were having their fall-season big events there last night and tonight, so lots of stars on hand, I’m told.
August 6th, 20099:52 pm
The bloggers who crucified Frank Wren for not re-signing John Smoltz are very quiet these days. Perry Laurentino claims it is still early and games like tonight is why Smoltz is a still a starter. I guess he does not realize it is August 6th
The Matrix had Keanu Reeves … who couldn’t act dead if his life depended on it.
The Godfathers had Pacino, DeNiro, Brando, Duvall, Caan, Vigoda, a young Bruno Kirby (RIP), never mind a plot and a storyline that wasn’t impenetrable.
Has it ever occured to you that you can be a GM that does the right thing, and still manages to have good PR and good will toward the fan base?
Why does Frank Wren have to make the “right moves” and come across as a (fill in the blank here) when he does them?
August 6th, 20099:53 pm
Wow, Hooters. I’ll watch that.
Seriously, I don’t know what is more exciting, the Hooters promo or finally seeing a Martin Prado interview.
Has anybody else ever seen or heard him interviewed before? That was a first for me. He’s a badass.
I’m still pissed at Soriano for blowing that game in Miami. I was waiting for GA to finally hit a game winning homerun so they would interview him after the game. I’ve never heard a word out of the guy.
Thanks for nothing Rafael.
We better win this damn game! Who the F does Randy Wolf think he is? What is he, 5-6? Give me F***ing a break.
This game better be over by the second inning. Somebody hit a homerun tonight.
Matt Diaz hitting in front of LaRoche??? Come on Bobby, for Christ’s sake!!!
OK, njbraves, here are BMac’s numbers against lefties on a Wednesday in July (don’t know why you wanted me to post this since not everyone cares about BMac’s numbers…but, since you asked:
BMac was 2-8 (.250) with 2 RBI and 1 K against lefties on a Wednesday in July this year.
sounds from the Buick Open:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seLsX5FWT6A
CBS and Fox were having their fall-season big events there last night and tonight, so lots of stars on hand, I’m told.
Can you get the Jonas Brothers’ autographs for me?
August 6th, 20099:54 pm
David O’Brien – Why don’t you give out the players hotel room numbers while you are at it?
I can’t speak for everyone, but I’ve been quiet on this issue since the season started. This was an OFF-SEASON issue. Once the season began, no use of going back to it, unless a day like today comes, when I have to admit I was dead wrong for wanting to nail Wren to a cross for the whole “Smoltz fiasco”.
“By the way, Juan Pierre is batting ninth tonight, Wolf’s hitting eighth”
Total LaRussa move..
August 6th, 20099:55 pm
cabravesfan – I believe it’s getting late on the East Coast – although it seems unusually light tonight – your job is to keep me up through the game tonight (having trouble typing – distracted by Caddyshack and things).
Watching Smoltz tonight, all I can think is that Francona is going to have go Old Yeller tonight and put the old boy down and out of his misery.
August 6th, 20099:56 pm
Bravefaninok – Like the Prince solo.
But doesn’t hold a candle to Derek Trucks.
That dude just frickin rips. The whole thing’s outrageous, but there’s a little phrasing 2:40-2:45 that make my jaw drop every time.
David O’Brien, my fingers are crossed for you that Penelope Cruz is there. Although, I hear she’s pregnant. Sorry to bring the bad news.
DOB: Did you get a chance to ask McLouth if he really listens to
August 6th, 20099:57 pm
Damn, they interviewed Marteen? I missed it. Wha’d he say?
August 6th, 20099:59 pm
We all should kiddnap Matt Diaz and beat the crap out of him until he learns not to swing at every pitch when he’s at the plate with runners on base. This guy swings at pitches outside of the stadium!! Give me CHURCH!!
WTF Nate? It’s Ah-cost-uh, as in like when he leaves the game we feel like we’ve been accosted because he gives up runs and, uh… I don’t know.
Anyway, hope that helps…
August 6th, 200910:00 pm
IO- I’m pretty sure Boog n Joe asked him about it that night after the game. He said it was his first concert when he was like 15, but he doesn’t actually have any of her music on his verizon wireless v-cast phone.
Very happy I get to listen to Vin call this game…
First Time Poster
August 6th, 200910:01 pm
My my, hey hey
Rock and roll is here to stay
It’s better to burn out than to fade away
My my, hey hey
- Neil Young
(Couldn’t let Def Leppard get credit for that one ((or anything, really)), Jurrjens4NLCY. Nice handle, though)
August 6th, 200910:02 pm
I just picked up a conversation between Torre and Bench Coach Bob Schaefer:
Torre: Hey Bob.
Schaefer: Hey Joe, did ja hear Cox put LaRoche in the 8 hole tonight?
S: Yeah, he said some ‘em bout out-stupiding you.
T: That crazy son of a *****, I’ll show him.
(Walks to lineup board, SL)
S: Whatcha doin?
T: I’m moving Juan into the 9th spot, that’ll show Cox who the really crazy mother ****er is…
i suggest if anyone hasnt heard vin scully do a game to watch him work he is amazing. man what a treat!
August 6th, 200910:03 pm
DOB. Dare you to get a San Fran ball cap and walk around the park.
August 6th, 200910:04 pm
Hey McFann, I know you’re always annoyed when your boy is batting 4th. I agree, but I just found some numbers that agree with us.
He’s batting .419 with a 1.145 OPS in 31 ABs in the 5 hole. Maybe Bobby should check out this link:
August 6th, 200910:05 pm
We’re only 12 and 8?
That’s pathetic. That’s not getting us anywhere. If we win two it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. I’m guessing the last one is pretty big. Don’t want to fly home with a loss.
I swear to God, I don’t care if they get swept… if they come home and don’t completely tear the Nationals to shreds I might murder somebody. Those games better not even be close.
I want double digit runs, fastballs in somebody’s ribs. Kill the Nats.
But beat the Dodgers also.
August 6th, 200910:06 pm
John Smoltz has an era of 8.32 and has yet to have a quality start. Put it in the bank you will not hear the words “I suck” from him.
First time poster, TY, I learned something new today.
Steve from OH
Although the Killswitch Engage version is pretty good.
Oh buddy…nowhere close to the Dio version…
PWH–the big problem (IMO) with WAR is the fact that they use the small sample sizes of UZR in their year-to-year WAR calc’s. Since you’re supposed to use 3-year samples for UZR, that’s a big flaw in WAR.
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