5:39 pm August 6, 2009, by David O'Brien
Marc from FL
August 6th, 20097:13 pm
Oh, and I’m predicting a Red Sox win tonight. Partially cause Smoltz is due for a great outing and Joba is due for a poor outing.
August 6th, 20097:14 pm
KK has ben a victim of pour offense, and he gets impacted more greatly because he allows an extra run or so beyond the other starters. That doesn’t make him “bad”. That doesn’t make him “overpaid”.
Rather, he’s just misunderstood. He’s a fine MOR/BOR filler and a solid signing by Wren.
August 6th, 20097:15 pm
stamper………….You are correct in the sense that Peter Moylan has put up better numbers of late. I know that technically he didnt give up 3 earned runs in the San Francisco. However, when the pitcher makes an errors that leads to “unearned” runs……I feel that they should be considered EARNED. I understand the distinction between pitcher and fielder. But still, it wasnt like Moylan didnt have any control over that 8th inning spiraling out of control.
Regardless, I still give Moylan props for pitching better of late. He’s has a couple of these 10-12 inning stretches this year where he will come in and pitch well. However, my thing is that when Moylan is bad, he is BAD…..hence the “inconsistent” label I have put on him. Late in the season, if the Braves can make this a close race……….which Moylan will show up late in an important game? That’s the big question concerning Moylan.
Smoltz isn’t due for a great outing, not until his fastball finds its previous velocity and movement, and his breaking balls rediscover their bight and command.
Wayne in Utah
August 6th, 20097:16 pm
At the time of the KK signing, the Braves didn’t know for sure if they were going to get Derek Lowe. They had already lost out of Peavy and Burnett (thank goodness) and had picked up Javy Vazquez a month earlier.
So at the time of the signing, the Braves starting rotation was
Jurrjens, Vazquez, and then maybe Reyes, Glavine, Campillo, Parr and Carlyle.
Hanson was on the horizon, but even if counting him, you can see that the Braves felt they need to make the commitment to Kawakami.
Kenshin has been pretty much what I expected. A journeyman starter, who has at times struggled and at other times has done well.
When trying to acquire a pitcher of his caliber, his salary is the going price.
We worry too much sometimes what the Braves pay for a pitcher. Our two FA acquisitions were both paid well, as are all capable FA starters.
Nova Scotia Steve
August 6th, 20097:19 pm
Just getting ready to watch Smoltz pitch…my first time all year…
August 6th, 20097:21 pm
I hope that Braves management RESISTS the temptation to bring up Jason Heyward right now. The move is to let him get some seasoning down there. There is more to the game of baseball besides hitting. He needs to continue to learn the other fundamentals like proper base running, fielding his position, working on throws and cut-offs throws from the outfield, etc. Those are things that he would be better off learning in the Minors.
I suspect that at the latest, he will be up on the big club by June of 2010. Let the dude get his seasoning in the Minors until then. June is less than a year away. This approached with Tommy Hanson. Plus the economics of the move makes sense.
August 6th, 20097:22 pm
Youkilis is getting a start in left field tonight (don’t know if this has been happening or not?) and Kotchman is getting the nod at first. Martinez is doing the catching.
August 6th, 20097:24 pm
“Just getting ready to watch Smoltz pitch…my first time all year…”
This will be the first time i’ve seen him pitch this year too. Looks kinda funny in that uniform, but hey he’s a part of that “big” rivalry now. He wanted to see how it felt to pitch in this kind of game. Let’s see how he pitches…..
August 6th, 20097:25 pm
Francona said he just wants to get his big bats in the line-up so he sends Youk is Left Field.
Apparently he also told Youkilis that if he makes an error…direct the media to Francona…cause its his decision to put him out there.
August 6th, 20097:26 pm
True Grit was a great movie and Rooster Cogburn totally blew, it took until 2009 for the 3rd installment to be started. The third installment stars Tommy Hansen as the gruff yet lovable Marshall in “Rooster goes to the ATL”.
Now that trumps all ya’lls trilogies.
August 6th, 20097:27 pm
Damon meet Mr. Split Finger.
August 6th, 20097:29 pm
Smoltz has some good splitfingers tonight, Tex knew enough to lay off, but he has plenty of velocity and movement when he wants it.
August 6th, 20097:32 pm
its only the first inning, but Smoltz looks pretty sharp… we’ll see how that arm holds up against that Yankees lineup. But based on a first look… not a bad first inning at all. Lots of strikes, variety of pitches, changing speeds, and 2 k’s
August 6th, 20097:34 pm
here’s something wacky… Jurrjens has a record of 9-8. THe Braves have a record of 11-12 in games he pitches. His ERA is 2.85. Our run production in games he starts is generally absolute garbage.
you wanna talk about KK being on the rough end of poor production? KK has nothing on JJ.
August 6th, 20097:35 pm
Smoltz’s fastball is 90-92…but I’m not so sure about him being sharp…We shall see after 3 innings
Gov. Clinton Tyree
RHR, you are a harsh woman.
August 6th, 20097:36 pm
… for the record, Braves are 8-12 in games KK starts.
August 6th, 20097:37 pm
Forgot about the timing of the KK and Lowe deals. Wren HAD to get someone to fill out the rotation, even if it might have been for a bit more money (in my opinion) than he was probably worth.
But heck, it all evens out in the end.
The Braves two backend starters earn what, 23 million a year between them?
But then two of the Braves top 3 (Hanson, JJ) earn about a million between them. So all in all we can live with the finances. And KK definitely beats throwing Jo Jo out there every fifth day.
August 6th, 20097:38 pm
NS Steve: I agree on Smoltz. He threw a lot of pitches in the first inning. I wish him all the best but tonight may not end well.
August 6th, 20097:41 pm
Some of you guys crack me up about how bad you talk about Kenshin Kawakami. How soon many of you forget about last year’s rotation and how much we paid them.
Let’s compare the 2008 stats and salaries of Smoltz, Glavine, and Hampton to Kenshin Kawakami’s 2009 stats and salary:
Salary……$7.67mil…..$14 mil………$8 mil…………..$15 mil..
Compare the production that the Braves got out of Smoltz, Glavine, and Hampton (and considering what the Braves paid them last year)……..with the production that the Braves are getting from Kawakami (and considering what the Braves are paying Kawakami this year).
We are getting FAR MORE PRODUCTION out of Kawakami this year, then we did last year from Smoltz, Glavine and Hampton.
Some of you might want to think about that before you bash Kawakami. I am not saying that Kawakami doesnt have room for improvement. Nor am I suggesting that we should be “content” with Kawakami’s performance this year. What I am saying is that we could do a lot worse.
Paul Lentz, since you think an error by a pitcher should be considered an earned run, major league baseball has called for an emergency meeting to change the rule. You are a god,Paul.
August 6th, 20097:42 pm
Just talked to a black-market Komodo dealer. Things look promising.
Just don’t know how long it’s going to take to ship here. Or for that matter, how exactly I go about sacrificing it? Can you drown a Komodo Dragon?
August 6th, 20097:43 pm
This isn’t KK’s numbers versus ther rest of our rotation. WTF are you people even talking about. I’ll take KK over just about any other #5 starter in all of the major leagues, maybe 2 are better. Stop whining, he’s not our problem anyway, our offense needs to deliver more or else we’re not going anywhere this year or next.
paul, comparing a turd to a bigger turd is still comparing two turds. i am not saying i think kk is overpaid, i do, but your argument of comparing him to who the braves overpaid last year and got nothing out of isn’t much of an argument.
August 6th, 20097:45 pm
Tom Waits for no one.
The dodger series will tell us everything we need to know about the fate of the Braves this year…
August 6th, 20097:46 pm
Hope that post wasn’t directed at me, beacuse I didn’t bash the guy — other than to say I don’t think he’s worth $8 million a year.
But at least he’s serviceable. Unlike the guys that were filling out the rotation last year.
I appreciate his solidness (is that a word?)
August 6th, 20097:47 pm
They ain’t cheap I’ll tell you that much…
Let’s worry about getting one first.
I’m not sure if you can drown a Komodo Dragon…but I know the same black-market guy prolly sells guns.
August 6th, 20097:48 pm
of course, you have to remember, that i am also one of the ones that happens to be appalled by the contract we gave lowe as well…
A serious question for the blog
August 6th, 20097:50 pm
Anyone worried about McCann vs. lefties? He hasn’t really hit them that well throughout his career and he has been especially awful this year.
August 6th, 20097:51 pm
appalled by the contract to lowe? wow, strong words. considering we had lost out on peavy and burnett and only had lowe left on the radar and with the mets offering 13mm per………….you think we should have just offered $13.1?
$13.1mm versus $15mm isn’t much of a delta to get appalled over…
August 6th, 20097:52 pm
mccann versus lefties….night be a good night to allow him a day of rest….
I’ve never seen Smoltz throw so many breaking balls
I don’t mind 15mil for a vet like Lowe, but the 4 year contract might hurt us in a couple of years. I don’t know though, Lowe is already 36 or so isn’t he? Doesn’t seem to have lost much over the last decade.
CB………….dude, I in no way think that MLB will change the scoring concerning earned runs when a pitcher makes an error. I was just saying that “in my mind”, he is directly responsible for any runs scoring.
Look, the “theory” behind the unearned runs stat is that when a shortstop makes an error, it was no fault of the pitcher that he got on base. Therefore if he scores, then it wasnt his fault. I was just saying that in my mind, if a pitcher makes an error that allows a runner to get on base…….that he is directly responsible for him being on base.
However, I understand MLB’s interpretation that once a pitcher throws a pitch, he becomes a fielder. Look at it this way: Let’s say that there is a runner on 3rd with 2 outs. The pitcher throws a wild pitch that allows the runner to score. He is automatically charged with an earned run (assuming no errors occurred previously in the inning). However, if the catcher misses the pitch and is charged with a passed ball (allowing the runner to score), then if the hitter eventually makes an out, it becomes an unearned run.
That’s all I was saying. The point is that while Moylan wasnt charged with any earned runs in that 8th inning blow-up……it was his fault that that inning got out of hand (him muffing that bunt that allowed the bases to get loaded).
August 6th, 20097:54 pm
To reiterate. I am surprised HEYWARD has not been promoted to GWINNETT by now. After all, it’s not like being sent to RICHMOND.
August 6th, 20097:55 pm
Lentz… if we’re only gonna talk about last year, would you provide Campillo’s 2008 stats and salary? I think it was something like 8-7 25 starts 3.91 ERA / $400,000.
We are getting FAR LESS PRODUCTION from Kawakami this year, than we did from a 30-year-old journeyman… who was making the league minimum.
The Braves will be very lucky to squeeze 3 more wins out of KK before the season ends. And yes, KK isn’t terrible. I admit that. He has shown glimpses of talent. And yes, while we could do a lot worse, I still would argue that we could also do a lot better.
August 6th, 20097:56 pm
Paul, it’s a dangerous thing to be “in your mind”.
JasonInFL ……………..if you paid attention to the end of that posting, then you would have seen that I said that “I am not suggesting that we should be content with Kawakami’s production”. I said that while there is room for improvement, he isnt nearly as bad as we had last year. Bashing Kawkami seems to be going overboard.
Is there any part of land purchase that’s still affordable in NS? Been looking along the NEW BRUNSWICK coast just above MAINE and have seen several interesting properties.
August 6th, 20097:57 pm
Wouldn’t normally talk about another game here, but since our game hasn’t started…
WTH was Posada doing there? Ran them right out of a huge inning.
I was responding to the fact that you had said “Wait until he has 100 ab’s…”. Well, he is almost there, and has over 100 PA’s. So that’s not good then? (wjones)
weren’t moi who said that, like I just said 100 ABs is nothing. Frenchy had a tremendous 100 first ABs. also as i pointed out Chipper hit .249 for over 500. Betemit hit .355 in 200 PAs in AA and never hit worth crap in the bigs. Tommy Gregg hit .371 in 470PAs in AA and flailed miserably in the show. There is no magic number to be sure, but the certainty figure on 100 PAs is …well pretty uncertain.
Hey I really don’t have anything against them bringing him up, I just think it is potentially better to give him more time. I’m as excited to see him as anybody…well maybe not as excited as Rob
August 6th, 20097:58 pm
yup, paying a #2 pitcher, at best (he is our 4th best pitcher, imo), 15 mill/per for 4 years when said pitcher is 36 and the fact that 15 mill accounts for about 16% of our payroll…pretty much appalled. now, i like lowe, and i understand he will give us innings…and i understand the need for innings after last year’s debacle, but i just don’t think lowe was worth the dollars or the length of the contract. again, i like the guy, and it certainly could have been worse…we could have been the mets and given oliver perez the contract he got!
Doubt Smoltz is ready for a great outing……great pouting maybe…
August 6th, 20097:59 pm
chilidog75……………dude you’re not the only one who has had harsh words about Kawakami. I’ve said along that he is serviceable and a work in progress. I feel that next year will be a better year for him. In the off season he will work on locating his pitches. Still, it isnt like he isnt giving us chances to win ball games this year. Part of the onus is on the offense.
18 Wheels of Love
Maybe the worst attempt to score at home by Posada. Can’t call it a slide, can’t call it taking out the catcher. That was pathetic.
August 6th, 20098:00 pm
paul lentz, i did pay attention bud. and your point about not being content with kk’s production really has nothing to do with my point about your original point.
August 6th, 20098:01 pm
In case anyone’s wondered, Chipper has not been fined for his comments about the umpiring.
August 6th, 20098:02 pm
If the Braves didnt “over pay” for Lowe……the Mets would have. Then guess who we would have been left with? Oliver Perez. The Mets decided to sign Perez for 3 years $36 mil instead. If the Mets wanted Lowe, then you guys would have been RIPPING Frank Wren for signing Perez worse then you have about Kawakami
some beautfiul spots through there richbrave</strong. The Mrs and I spent a lot of time in those there parts…
“”I’ve never seen Smoltz throw so many breaking balls”"
Those aren’t breaking balls Nova, simply gravity at work on lame-armed fastballs…
August 6th, 20098:03 pm
lounging too far away with the old wireless keyboard…some key strokes being left off…and paul, i don’t think for a minute that FW would have signed Perez for that kind of money.
August 6th, 20098:04 pm
I checked with a voodoo priest, and the dragon needs to have it’s head chopped off for the best results.
August 6th, 20098:05 pm
richbrave: To reiterate. I am surprised HEYWARD has not been promoted to GWINNETT by now. After all, it’s not like being sent to RICHMOND.
You’re right rich, being sent to Rich from AA was like a demotion.
Congrats to Kotchman for making the Red Sox starting lineup tonight
NO MORE BOBBY
Braves have big four-gamer in L.A. – DOB
This is the safest headline of the season from DOB. Looks like someone might be buying into the headline jinx theory. Ha!
but aren’t there many more Travis Smith’s and Gregor Blanco’s in AAA?! P-Town
but there are whole bunch in AA who will never even be that good. There are guys who will not even get to AAA and others who will fail at AAA, at least Blanco et al have shown that they can at least do something at that level and a bit in the show.. My biggest point though is the pitching, more and better breaking balls are seen there and most players who can’t hit in the bigs are done in by benders.
You could perhaps take the top25 or so guys from AA and perhaps have a better team than the top 25 or so from AAA at least much of the time, but the rest of the personnel would be better at AAA for the most part. Hey, I’m doneon the subject…at least for now.
August 6th, 20098:06 pm
I like Esco in that five hole!!
ChurchMan – Congrats to Kotchman for making the Red Sox starting lineup tonight.
Congrats to him for getting out of Atlanta!!!
August 6th, 20098:07 pm
Solid lineup tonight. What will Bobby do to screw it up?
Lentz…So now KK has to work on locating his pitches in the offseason? He’s 33 years old for God sake! If he can’t locate them yet the Braves might be screwed. I don’t think he’s a terrible pitcher, but he is painful to watch. Too many deep counts.
August 6th, 20098:08 pm
stamper………..Bringing up Campillo is irrelevant because he has been hurt this year. It wasnt like Frank Wren picked Kawakami over Campillo. However, he did pick Kawakami over re-signing both Hampton and Smoltz. Also, when it became apparent early in Spring Training that Campillo wasnt going to be able to compete for a spot in the rotation, then Frank Wren signed Tom Glavine. I dont think that Glavine would have been signed if Campillo was healthy going into Spring Training.
madison man – I like Esco in that five hole!!
This just doesn’t sound right.
August 6th, 20098:09 pm
NO MORE BOBBY….you’re as dumb and useless to the blog as Robert. Congrats.
Braves Clubhouse Country Club
Watchin’ Smoltz tonight.
The guy is still a warrior and is capable of pitching in the big leagues. I mean look at some of the “crap pitching” wearing big league uni’s these days.
But the fact is…… Smoltz just doesn’t have that nasty slider and huge life and movement on his pitches. He looks very average. It’s a shame.
August 6th, 20098:11 pm
Paul Lentz…Frank Wren didn’t pick KK over Hampton. How many times do I have to say it?? Wren offered Hampton more money than the Astros did. MH chose Houston in oreder to be closer to his kids. And stop acting like KK is a huge upgrade over Hampton anyway.
August 6th, 20098:13 pm
njbraves……….This is Kawakami’s first year in America. It’s obvious that he’s had problems with the MLB strike zone. In Japan, he averaged 1.9 walks per 9 innings. However this year he’s averaged 3.9 walks per 9 innings. What does that tell you? He’s struggled with his control at times this year. However, I’ve seen enough flashes of when he has pitched well to see that he will do better next year. Kawakami is a grinder. Much tougher than Jo Jo Reyes. Kawakami can give up a couple of early runs and then settle down and go 6 innings. Jo Jo will give up a couple of early runs and continue to get ROCKED.
LAROCHE IS BATTING 8th…WTF?
August 6th, 20098:15 pm
RHR, you are a harsh woman. (Skink)
but fair…and funny…and did I mention tall?
August 6th, 20098:16 pm
Paul Lentz….you’re banking on KK getting better because you think he’s a better pitcher than Jo-JO?? Thanks for that assessment. I’m a better pitcher than Jo-JO too. I love how you say you “know” he will be better next year…LOL…you’re too much.
August 6th, 20098:17 pm
a Johnny rocket to right field off Smoltz! I really hate the Red Sox
August 6th, 20098:18 pm
“MLB Network is providing out-of-market fans six unique camera angles to choose from as they take in the Red Sox-Yankees series opener. Register for free and check it out.” – Mlb.ComJust when I thought MLB couldn’t stick down any deeper… *Rolls Eyes*
August 6th, 20098:19 pm
Youkalis in LF is simply hilarious.
Ooo, nolie, now I’m interested.
njbraves ………..do you really think that Hampton took less money to be near his kids? Didnt Mike Hampton leave a winning Mets team to sign with a MONSTROUS contract with the Rockies? Oh yeah, I forgot, he signed with the Rockies because of their “school system”, lol.
Just because it was reported in the papers that Hampton signed for less money, doesnt make it so. If I had a dollar for every time I heard the “I want to be near my kids” line…..I’d be filthy rich.
I would like to see a “direct” quote from Frank Wren saying that he offered Mike Hampton more money to re-sign with the Braves.
Yeah, let’s leave Heyward in AA for another year so he can work on hitting the cutoff man and we can delay his arbitration clock by a year. Never mind what we have to spend to fill right field with a platoon of a couple of journeymen (like the Diaz/Church platoon that’s out there now) for a half season next year.
Better to make sure Heyward is fully developed before we call him up so he never makes a mistake once he’s with the Braves, like diving for a ball he has no chance to get and turning a single into a triple. Never mind if Heyward can get to balls Diaz wouldn’t sniff, he might make a mistake in right. If we leave Heyward in the minors long enough, he won’t have any adjustment period when he sees major league pitching for the first time.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
August 6th, 20098:20 pm
hey does anyone have any clue how to figure out who the braves might take on in inter league next year? im trying to make it to every ballpark to see the braves and im thinking about the 2010 season. What are my chances the braves could be in my left over al cities… here are the ones i have left… this is the order of the ones i want to see the most Cleveland Minnesota Detroit Seattle Texas KC LA Oakland and Tampa.
why cant they just make a regular inter league schedule so i know what years the braves are in what parks in that crappy AL.
i may get a chance to go to 2 next year so if anyone has a suggestion on NL parks here are the 7 i have left, SF Houston AZ Milwaukee CINNCINATI LA And Fla (ill go to Miami in 12 when the new place is done)
… Can anyone tell me who they think we may play next who is different than normal?
PS… BEAT SMOLTZ! (and i hate the yankees!)
OK! OK! This makes a heckuva lotta sense, right? He sticks Adam LaRoche in the eighth spot against the lefty tonight, when Adam’s been on fire and is hitting lefties at a .239 clip. Not that good, of course, BUT…
HE LEAVES McCANN IN THE FREAKIN’ CLEANUP SPOT!!! He’s batting .200 against lefties!! .200!! Oh…oh Bobby…I try to stick up for you, but you have LOST me on this one!
kawi- new strike zone, new batch of hitters, new baseball to throw. there is absolutely an adjustment period, just as there is for hanson coming up from the minors.
time….meanwhile our #5 is better than the #3 of most clubs. that doesn’t hurt. he’d go deeper into games with more offense.
August 6th, 20098:21 pm
Let’s hope KK follow’s Dice-K’s apprach of a decent first year and Cy Young quality second, that would be ta-ta worthy next year. All in all though it really is a pointless arguement, our offense is and has been our problem all year. Our pitching is more than sufficient to make it to and win the post-season. KK probably wouldn’t even start.
Eric in Albany, I’m pretty sure the Braves will play the central division next season but I could be wrong.
Why in the f*** do you bat LaRoche eighth? Just stupid.
August 6th, 20098:22 pm
I see where the Braves settled a dispute over Hampton’s contract..I didn’t read the article, how much did he give the Braves back?
The Yankees are going to light Smoltz up real soon.
Are the Braves the only MLB team with aspirations of a 500 win/loss record, or do the Royals, Reds, Orioles & Padres also aspire to be nothing special? Is Bobby Cox aware that the Braves are playing a team tonight that will most likely win tonights game? I hope that beating the powerful Padres 2 out of 3 hasn’t given this cast of mediocre players a false sense of hope.
njbraves………..Let’s see what he does next year. If I’m wrong, I’ll admit it.
Jim Kaat has his head up his azz comparing Smoltz to Carl Pavano coming to the AL from the NL. In essence just not able to get it done.
Smoltz is coming off major shoulder surgery and is 42 years old. So it’s not like Smoltz is vintage Smoltz right now.
August 6th, 20098:23 pm
paul Lentz…DOB reported it here when it went down. Don’t believe me, no problem. All I’m saying is stop with the KK lovefest. he is not very good, and you have no idea whether he will improve or not. I’ve watched almost all of his starts and I’ve seen very little to make me believe he will ever be more than a 4th/5th starter.
August 6th, 20098:24 pm
Damn, Paul. People get on you like no other. Anders didn’t even endure the wrath that you do.
I said earlier this year that it wouldn’t surprise me to see Heyward reach the majors this year. I still think we’ll see him.
And he’ll hit cutoff men.
All I can say is, “I never wanted to be your weekend lover. I only wanted to be some kind of friend.”
August 6th, 20098:25 pm
A serious question for the blog–
He hasn’t been that bad against lefties until this year.
Year-By-Year AVG Against Lefties:
‘05–.333 (overall AVG .275
‘06–.266 (overall AVG .333)
‘07–.264 (overall AVG .270)
‘08–.299 (overall AVG .301)
I cann get some of the other numbers if anybody wants me to…just got a headache at the present and don’t feel like typing anything extra unless somebody want me to.
LSU…thanks for stopping by…..jag off.
August 6th, 20098:26 pm
What do thr numbers mean beside the players when you post the lineup?
McFann is my favorite obsessed fan I think.
August 6th, 20098:27 pm
I’ll try and remember that DOB. Perhaps a heartly handhshake will do.
Kotchman just hit a two run home run. Sox 3 Yanks 1
Kotchman just hit a 2 run homer off Joba Chamberlain… Can I get a “LOL”?
August 6th, 20098:28 pm
McCann has one homer off a lefty this year–June 8th, 5th inning off Zach Duke. It was a two-runner.
August 6th, 2009
What do thr numbers mean beside the players when you post the lineup?”
it’s the position that they play. 1 is pitcher, 2 is catcher, 3 is firstbase, ect.
Chop It Up All-Stars
Casey Kotchman just jacked one against the Yankees; wow that ballpark is something else. Go Smoltz!!
Thanks, Marc…I think…
Kotchy homered? Yay!
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