(Staff writer Carroll Rogers is filling in for David O’Brien this weekend for the Dodgers series.)
Well, it’s trade deadline day, and here we are. Not exactly brimming with anticipation at a pending move, but hey, that’s probably a good thing. I still bet the Braves add a piece for the bullpen if they can. I can’t remember the last July 31st where they did nothing.
Though I have to say we’ve had much more activity on the trade front earlier this season than normal, for the Braves, so that might skew things. Nate McLouth was a big trade, so was Jeff Francoeur, all things considered.
And it does seem this trade deadline around baseball has featured more early moves than some years. Every day this week has been boom, boom, boom.
DOB is going to follow the trade situation today – the deadline is 4 p.m. – and I’ll be covering the game, but either way, you folks will be getting your news.
DODGER BLUES:
So we have the Dodgers in town this weekend, as the big series keep coming. They’ve had quite a season, these Dodgers, who bring the best record in baseball to town at 63-39 (.618). And only the Angels (28-20) have a better road record than the Dodgers, who are 29-22 on the road this season.
They do come in on a little down-note. After going 5-2 coming out of the All-Star break, the Dodgers have gone 2-5 since, including a season-worst four-game losing streak, while dropping series to the Marlins and Cardinals.
Manny Ramirez has been cool too, going 4-for-26 (.154) in his last six games with nary an RBI. And that was the least of his problems yesterday, when it was revealed both he and David Ortiz were among the infamous 104 who tested positive for PEDs in 2003.
Neither one is a big surprise, at this point, but to have that kind of black-and-white confirmation puts a big old taint mark on the magical Red Sox 2004 World Series, no matter how you look at it.
FURCAL RETURNS:
Speaking of tainted, I’m wondering how Rafael Furcal will be received tonight at the Ted in his first trip here since the free agent fiasco of this past winter, when the Braves made a run at signing Furcal, only to, it appeared, get used by Furcal’s agent Paul Kinzer to get a better deal with the Dodgers.
Furcal has denied that he or his agents had agreed to a deal with the Braves. He was always a fan favorite here for his speedy and gritty play. I have a feeling all is not quite forgotten though. Not yet. But we’ll have to see.
NEW LA RELIEVER:
The Dodgers just picked up Orioles closer George Sherrill, a left-hander, to help lighten the load for their bullpen coming down the stretch. That adds to an already formidable back end with Jonathan Broxton, an NL All-Star, who has 24 saves in 27 chances. Sherrill had 20 saves for the Orioles. Sherrill will join the Dodgers tonight in the ATL.
(I pause to tell you it’s pouring outside my window right now. My window could be a car windshield in a car wash. Let’s just get this all out before tonight, is all I’m asking. Yeah, looks like chance of rain decreases as the night goes on 40 percent at 6 p.m., 30 percent at 7 p.m., 20 percent at 10 p.m.)
OLD FRIEND:
We’ll also see an old friend in Jason Schmidt, who hasn’t pitched against the Braves since August 29, 2006, when he was with the Giants. He gave up eight runs (four earned) in 3 1/3 innings that day and walked four.
Schmidt won his first game in two years on July 20, coming off multiple shoulder surgeries, holding Cincinnati to three runs in five innings. But then on Sunday, he gave up five runs in three innings to the Marlins. He’s teetering on something, and he’s got to hope it’s not the end of his career. He’s 36 now and has been in the majors for 13 years.
I have a happy memory of writing about Schmidt though, one of those neat little stories you come across. He’d told me about an eighth grade teacher who asked his class to talk about what they wanted to be when they grew up, and when Schmidt said major league baseball player, the teacher was skeptical and told him to come up with something more realistic. I ended up tracking down that teacher and talking to him for the story. He was a good interview and had gotten a kick out of seeing Jason reach the bigs.
I just looked back to see Schmidt only pitched two seasons with the Braves, after coming up through their minor league organization – 1995 and 1996. Shoot, he’s started more games against the Braves (18) than he did for them (13). He’s 5-6 with a 6.45 ERA in 22 games (13) as a Brave. He’s 5-8 with a 5.00 ERA in 18 games against them.
CRIME DOG TO THE HALL?
It’s a fitting topic for trade deadline day, if you ask me. To discuss this, I steal from Mr. Marc Topkin, a veteran Rays beat writer for the St. Pete Times who happens to be a super nice guy and a member of our notes group.
Here’s what he wrote about former Brave Fred McGriff, who will go on the ballot for the next Hall of Fame election (from here to the end is written by Topkin):
“With each new revelation about steroids and PED use, his all-natural candidacy should look better and better.
McGriff, who is now a special advisor for the Rays, should measure up pretty well numbers-wise with 493 homers, 1,550 RBIs, a .284 average. Further research by Rays VP Rick Vaughn makes them look even better, noting that all eligible players with similar triple crown category numbers are in, and that McGriff compares very favorably with other first baseman in the Hall, as well as those in his era.
And then there’s this: ‘I take a lot of pride knowing I worked hard to play the game for 18 or so years,’ McGriff said. ‘I know I can take to my grave I didn’t do steroids, performance-enhancing drugs, whatever you want to say. I played the game the correct way.’
That being said, the question then becomes how much better McGriff’s numbers should look given that so many of his contemporaries have either admitted, been accused of or caught cheating.
McGriff is cautious to provide the answer. ‘To say my numbers should be judged better because some of those guys are considered having used steroids, I don’t know if that’s the right wording,’ he said.
He’d prefer to be judged on his consistency, on his reputation among his peers, and his work ethic, and not on the flaws of others.
Former Rays GM Chuck LaMar said there should be little debate. ‘Fred McGriff is a Hall of Gamer in my mind,’ he said. ‘And there’s no question he did it the right way.’
McGriff vs. 1Bs in Hall of Fame
HRs OBP SLG BA
Fred McGriff 493 .377 .509 .284
Orlando Cepeda 379 .350 .499 .297
Harmon Killebrew 573 .376 .509 .256
Willie McCovey 521 .374 .515 .270
Eddie Murray 504 .359 .476 .287
Tony Perez 379 .341 .463 .279
OK, there will be plenty of updates coming your way this afternoon. More from the ballpark….
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Bravo
July 31st, 2009
12:31 pm
Will Furcal be booed?
the hopes of the braves nation rest in your hands mr. hanson
July 31st, 2009
12:36 pm
first?
flange1
July 31st, 2009
12:37 pm
Boo Furcal and manny! I will tomorrow!
the hopes of the braves nation rest in your hands mr. hanson
July 31st, 2009
12:37 pm
damn….second.
yes, raffy will be booed.
Drew
July 31st, 2009
12:37 pm
It takes a lot to get booed in Atlanta. Hope so, just for the sake of it but I don’t know if I’d count on it
N8
July 31st, 2009
12:37 pm
Sorry to start this blog with a long post, but wasn’t sure if DP would go to the old blog to see it, so I’m copying and pasting it (that and I think it’s a valid argument to all the Kotchman bashers):
DP, normally a team wouldn’t have to do so. But a team that has 45 percent of it’s payroll tied up into it’s rotation, and has only so much money to go around.
So your reference to the pitching staffs of the 90’s is a worthless comparison, because money wasn’t an issue back then. In case you’ve forgotten, along with those great pitching staffs, we usually had 4 or 5 high-priced all star caliber everyday players to go with the expensive pitching staff (the bullpen is where JS skimped on payroll back then).
In this day and age, even though McCann is signed to a “friendly” contract, with the dollars tied up in the pitching, we cannot afford to acquire a 1B with power. One needs to be developed (say, perhaps like Freeman?)
We could have Adam Dunn at 1B, but that would have meant passing on one of the pitchers. So if you’ve read any of my posts in the last 6 months, you’ll know that while Dunn’s defense was a turn off for me (I would have put him in the OF and kept Kotchman), I was all for another bat and one less pitcher in the off-season.
But here is an example. Take the Brewers. They have a monster at 1B in Prince Fielder (23 HR and 89 RBI), which are obviously better numbers than McCann has put up. But their main catcher? Jason Kendall. 0 HR, 26 RBI. Rivera, their backup catcher has 0 HR and 2 RBI.
So, combined they have 24 HR and 117 RBI out of 1B and catcher.
McCann has 12 HR and 52 RBI. Ross, McCann’s backup, has 6 HR and 15 RBI. Kotchman has 6 HR and 41 RBI. Prado has had 1 HR and 3 RBI while filling in for Kotch at 1B.
So, combined, they have 25 HR and 111 RBI. Not really that far off of the production that those guys have. And we’re talking about Fielder, one of the best power hitters in the game.
My point is that different teams get production from different positions. Cal Ripken provided more offense for the Orioles, than Ozzie Smith did for the Cardinals. Meaning the Cards had to get their offense elsewhere.
We have one of the best hitting catchers in baseball. Appreciate it. Respect it, and get over the fact that we don’t have a big bat at 1B.
We’re years removed from having big production at every positions like we did in the 90’s and early 00’s.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
12:37 pm
If they only going to make a small move…it would be nice to get a reliable guy for the ‘pen.
timthebrave
July 31st, 2009
12:37 pm
I think the “crime dog” will make the hall of fame. I definitely have some great memories of him playing in Atl. Braves need to keep winning series. We would have won the last one except for the blown save. Not blaming Soriano since he has been awesome this year and it was bound to happen. Go Braves!
CaseyRome
July 31st, 2009
12:37 pm
Oooh, might be first today!! Anyway, let’s go Braves..
Roman Gal
July 31st, 2009
12:37 pm
Lost his luster? Shamus
Nah…I’ve still been talking about him. I just didn’t last night since he decided that he wanted a Golden Sombrero.
Roman Gal
July 31st, 2009
12:38 pm
If you were the GM and could trade Freeman, Schafer, Medlin, Kotchman and a lower level arm to the Padres for Adrian Gonzalez, would you do it?
No. Absolutely not.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
12:42 pm
I still think it’s interesting that we discuss trades with the Padres with Towers as the GM. Haven’t we realized that the guy is just not reasonable with his trade requests? If we are going to throw out trade scenarios for a power 1B, we are far better to dream about trading with Cleveland.
Renegator
July 31st, 2009
12:42 pm
Quiet day so far on the trade front.
Rock On....the denizen formerly known as Dadgum
July 31st, 2009
12:43 pm
You can count on Furcal being booed….loudly and often.
Could this be a preview of a 1st round playoff? If the Braves make it then probably so.
Got a feeling either Conrad or KJ is traded today.
brent a.
July 31st, 2009
12:43 pm
I’ve got tickets for this one and it looks like a rain-out
TnBrian
July 31st, 2009
12:44 pm
Furcal should booed like never before. He’s a lying sack of dog crap, he and his agents. For Sheurholz, who is a classy, well respected man to come out public and say he’s never seen such disgusting actions in all his years tells me Furcal and his agent are scum.
LuisG
July 31st, 2009
12:45 pm
I agree with Heath, that’s something that has to be made, but who’s that guy still available on the market? Will we just sit and wait until Hudson gets back (probably to come out of the pen)?
LuisG
July 31st, 2009
12:46 pm
And also: what will we be willing to give in return for that reliever?
Rock On....the denizen formerly known as Dadgum
July 31st, 2009
12:46 pm
TnBrian…..yep, they don’t fit the good ole boy mode do they now.
ChipperFan
July 31st, 2009
12:47 pm
If you were the GM and could trade Freeman, Schafer, Medlin, Kotchman and a lower level arm to the Padres for Adrian Gonzalez, would you do it?
Yup, in a heartbeat
chc4
July 31st, 2009
12:48 pm
Heard on the radio that Selig was looking into the Bill Hohn incident Wednesday night but can’t find anything about it online. Anyone have details?
flange1
July 31st, 2009
12:49 pm
N8,
Great post at 12:37, might be your best ever.
To me the things all of these folks who want to trade for A-Gon or V-Mart is who do you give up for these guys? and then how do you pay the guys you get?
Both San Diego and CLeveland are looking to cut payroll and add prospects. Neither wants Kotchman or KJ and trying to throw JoJo out as something of substance is absurd.
San Diego asked for Maybin and Miller for HEATH BELL. That is basically what the Marlins got for D. Willis + M Cabrera.
An talks with San Diego will start with Heyward and Hanson. If we can push them off of those 2 guys, then you will give up 2-4 of the best pitching prospects in the system, Freeman, Cody Johnson and Jordan S. and we would still be light…
NOT happening.
Juts hope for a reliever and maybe an upgrade for the 25th man. A RH hitter with pop would be great with KJ on the bench. If he can play 1B, great, if he can play OF even better.
DP
July 31st, 2009
12:53 pm
Given Furcal’s performance this year, the fans should applaud him tonight for reneging on the contract offer. Maybe they can have a ceremony where Frank Wren presents him with a bouquet of roses at home plate. Escobar is a much better all around shortstop and much cheaper than Furcal. The contract Wren offered to Furcal would have been an awful lot to play him out of position at second given the Braves budget limitations.
Wren has made some good moves but he also got lucky that Furcal and Griffey decided to go elsewhere.
Geo123
July 31st, 2009
12:54 pm
Roman Gal,
It’s good tha tyou wouldn’t make the trade because the Padres wouldn’t even answer the phone on an offer like that for Gonzalez. They have already said numerous times that they would have to be “blown away” in order to trade him. That probably means Freeman plus Hanson plus more . Especially since they want Buchholz plus Westmoreland, + Masterson from the Red Sox (they supposedly would want Bard to if they added Bell to the trade. Gonzalez IS their franchise right now and in order for them to trade him they would need to be offered more than his value. To me he either goes to the Red Sox or he stays in San Diego…
Lew
July 31st, 2009
12:54 pm
Carrol and the AJC staff are remedying the Identity theft problems. Thanks Carroll.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
12:55 pm
If I were the Padres owner, Towers would be gone. He is over-valuing his talent so much that he still has Peavy on his roster (and and injured Peavy at that) and he probably will still have Gonzalez and Bell at the end of the day too. Sure, Gonzalez is a great player, but Gonzalez will never see a winning season in San Diego at this rate and trading him would give the team a far better chance to improve in the near future.
Lew
July 31st, 2009
12:55 pm
I hope Furcal is soundly booed at every opportunity tonight AND all weekend-a well deserved honor.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
12:56 pm
Bowman on ESPN News right now.
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
12:56 pm
N8, the Braves haven’t really strayed all that far from their run differential in recent years. Through the first half of last season, they had one of the best run differentials but things “corrected” themselves toward the latter part of the season, once the injuries started piling up. In other words, I don’t think there is any reason to believe that the Braves will significantly underperform their run differential.
That said, obviously run differential isn’t a crystal ball as it regularly happens that a team’s record strays pretty drastically from its run differential. But things like run differential are among the best tools available for trying to assess what your team is likely to do because there is no such thing as a crystal ball.
Plus, as I mentioned on the last blog, the current Braves team is clearly better than the Braves team from the first few months of the season.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
12:57 pm
…basically Bowman said he doesn’t think there will be any moves.
Lou Vales
July 31st, 2009
12:57 pm
Grew up a Tigers fan and still follow them closely. I believe they got Washburn for “almost” nothing. French “may” someday be a marginal 5th starter and Robles throws “hard”–as do may. Pretty good piece to go with Verlander, Jackson and Porcello.
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
12:57 pm
I hope Bowman uses that opportunity to explain the Hohn situation. Everyone needs to be on his case until he’s suspended for the remainder of the season.
NORRIS
July 31st, 2009
12:58 pm
boweman doesnt have anything to say. the braves arent going to do anything. zzzzzz
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
12:59 pm
Hey Folks! Happy Friday…
So a couple things…
1. What’s up with Mike Gonzalez and his wild pitches this year…again I said it before…I’m worried about the guy.
2. Kenshin Kawakami and I have burried the hatchet.
3. Garret Anderson is such a professional.
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
1:01 pm
Lou Vales, I’m not sure Washburn will qualify as a Type A or B free agent, and the arbitration number for him next year would be awful. So I think the M’s just tried to get whatever they could for the guy.
McFann ;Ô;
July 31st, 2009
1:01 pm
Thanks for the new Blog, Ms. Rogers!
The Dodgers just picked up Orioles closer George Sherrill, a left-hander
Crud.
Mixxo
July 31st, 2009
1:01 pm
Nuthin’ yet huh?
Oh, and screw Furcal. Guy’s a joke and was when he was here too. Add Manny to that list.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
1:01 pm
I like MLB Network better than ESPN these days, but that Greg Amsinger guy has to go.
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
1:01 pm
Nate McLouth was a big trade, so was Jeff Francoeur, all things considered.
This is an important point. Some are piling on Wren for not making moves at the deadline. But he made a couple of significant moves already. The McLouth trade was one of the biggest of the season. I would argue that Wren deserves more credit for making moves early rather than waiting until there is two months of the season left. Kind of silly to say that Wren isn’t doing anything because the McLouth trade didn’t happen on or around July 31.
Packerman
July 31st, 2009
1:01 pm
I’ve got to admire Bronson Arroyo for coming out and letting everyone know that he is probably on the list. Everyone who thinks they’re on the list should man up and do the same. Come out and tell everyone what they took and when they took it. The backlash from the public would be so much less if they just did this themselves instead of having a couple of names leak out every couple of months.
NORRIS
July 31st, 2009
1:02 pm
they got sherill yesterday
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
1:02 pm
We have roughly 19-20 mil freed up at the end of this season after Hudson and Anderson walk, and we “dispose” of KJ. Soriano could probably be locked up for 12mil a year for four years, he’s already making 6.5. I think McLouth gets a 2mil pay raise next year, so we still have 11.5-12.5 mil for locking up JJJ, Escobar, and/or Hanson. If Gonzo walks that’s another 3.5 mil freed up.
That doesn’t get us any bats, but with Freeman and Hewyard coming up soon, we may not need one. Then JV comes off the books at the end of next year to open up another 12 mil to lock up guys.
Then KK the year after that opens up 8, then Lowe opens up 15 the year after that. Maybe Chipper resigns or doesn’t, big money there too. Point being, if we just keep locking up young talent for cheap as our costly vets come off the books, then we have no need to “blow up” the team, or frantically sign every FA that can hit for power. We have a good future right now as is.
I don’t think Kotchman will be around long enough for his pay increases down the road to matter a whole lot. (No offense to the Kotch, but Wren won’t hesitate to move him for the cheaper/slugger Freeman).
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
1:04 pm
And who cares about the steroids list? As a 15 year old in 95′ I knew most professional athletes were using steroids or some variation. Are any of you really shocked by any of this? It doesn’t matter, Selig needs to stop using this as a PR stunt and close the book on it already so we can start talking baseball again.
Mixxo
July 31st, 2009
1:05 pm
Nova Scotia Steve
Hiya Skoshe! BMAC showed me something last night…….”leader-style.”
Looks like we have our own “Varitek” …..finally.
Haven’t had anyone like that in years. Hoss has never been that guy, just not his make-up.
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
1:06 pm
Chipperfan, that’s overpaying for Adrian Gonzalez, hell, Freeman for Adrian straight up is over paying. I said it last night and I’ll say it again, Adum Dunn looks like Willie Mays compared to Adrian Gonzalez, there’s a reason the “super-slugger” is signed for dirt cheap – aside from a hot start this season, the dude sucks.
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
1:07 pm
“SI’s Jon Heyman (via Twitter) hears the Red Sox are still in talks for Gonzalez. Buchholz, Lowrie, and Masterson are “in the mix” with the Padres asking for Westmoreland and Anderson.”
How about all five? Bring that Red Sox machine-like farm system down, Towers.
Baba O'Riley
July 31st, 2009
1:07 pm
How about a Tommy Hanson fastball in Fookie’s ribs?
stamper
July 31st, 2009
1:08 pm
based on everything we have seen so far this year… lows and highs… if you were the Atlanta GM, would you try to resign Garret Anderson?
cphizzle
July 31st, 2009
1:08 pm
heck yes put McGriff in the hall hands down no question
Lou Vales
July 31st, 2009
1:09 pm
Marc from Florida, NOBODY should care and they would not if garbage like Clemens and others quit lying about it. When something means nothing don’t lie about having done it. Right?
Baba O'Riley
July 31st, 2009
1:09 pm
Marc- Freeman for Gonzalez is overpaying??? Most absurd comment of the day.
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
1:10 pm
stamper – THAT is a good question, for it depends on whether or not I think Schafer is still the real deal or not and how soon Heyward comes up.
Andy K.
July 31st, 2009
1:10 pm
stamper, idk, depends on where Schafer is at going into sext year…I say if he’s ready, Put McLouth in LF, Schafer in CF, and platoon Diaz and Church in RF until Heyward is ready.
richbrave
July 31st, 2009
1:10 pm
richbrave
July 31st, 2009
1:01 pm
DOWN ON THE FARM:
LUIS de LUNA continues to sparkle like the glinting diamonds on the waters of the CARIBBEAN. Now 59 innings into the DSL, he is dominating with a 1.07 ERA and 0.68 WHIP. A shining 8-1 record is enhanced by his 59-29 IP to H ratio, and the fact that he has 56 SO’s and only 11 BB. With almost a SO per inning, he’s looking good. He’s started 10 games so far, all on the road, and is lasting roughly six innings, excellente’. His results are 0.66 ERA in 41 IP, 16 H allowed, 3 ER, 8 BB, 35 SO, and a 1.16 GO/AO. He’s being used in home games as middle relief where in 5 G, he’s allowed 13 H in 18 IP, 3 BB and 21 SO’s.
DAP
July 31st, 2009
1:11 pm
Marc from FL, $12mil PEr for soriano? wow. i dont think i would do that…and i dont think it will take that. thats pretty steep.
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
1:13 pm
Didn’t Fuentes sign for $11 with the Angels? I’ll have to look at when him and Cordero signed for recently, I $12 is a liberal estimate though.
Baba O'Riley
July 31st, 2009
1:14 pm
Adrian Gonzalez is only 27 years old.
cphizzle
July 31st, 2009
1:14 pm
with any luck at all we will not have church on the team next year better yet trade that dude today
NORRIS
July 31st, 2009
1:15 pm
mlb trade rumors site is getting busy. teams are wheeling and dealing. Of course that is everybody except us. zzzzzzz
braves4ever
July 31st, 2009
1:16 pm
richbrave, refresh me on this kid Luis De Luna, is he in AA?
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
1:16 pm
Shaun
“Some are piling on Wren for not making moves at the deadline. But he made a couple of significant moves already. The McLouth trade was one of the biggest of the season. I would argue that Wren deserves more credit for making moves early rather than waiting until there is two months of the season left. Kind of silly to say that Wren isn’t doing anything because the McLouth trade didn’t happen on or around July 31.”
That’s not the point. I think what some of us are meaning is that right now, there’s not enough to actually make it to the post season this year.
Yes the McLouth trade was huge and a good thing, he should be commended for. As well as rebuilding the starting rotation and trading Francoeur.
Those all have been done and it has helped for sure. However, even with the offense hitting better and scoring runs, there’s still some holes that won’t let us compete this year. I know the argument would be “wait til next year, 2009 is just a rebuilding/retooling year”, but honestly, you’d want to compete THIS year as well and they can with a minor move here or there by today’s deadline or an August deal, but today more specifically.
Hudson/Infante would be like nice additions, but don’t be fooled, they aren’t sure things at this moment. If they were, they’d be coming in a little too late.
I don’t really think anyone is piling on Wren and forgetting what he has done, it’s just that while he has done a lot and it has worked, there’s more that needs to be added to have a better shot at competing this year, when Braves still can.
I’m not saying mortgaging the future or anything, but if a deal can occur that won’t give up the farm and it helps, why not go for it? Instead of standing pat and not do anything and then if we’re out this season, there’s no reason to complain, since nothing was really done, to help further the chances. That’s not shunning or forgetting what he has done early in the season or in the off season.
Packerman
July 31st, 2009
1:16 pm
The Fish are looking into acquiring Nick Johnson. Might we be interested in Jorge Cantu? A three-way, intra-divisional, deal could happen. Not sure if we have any interest at all in Cantu, but I like his power potential, and he has to be affordable if he’s on Florida’s roster, right? He can play first or third by the way. Not a terrible investment if the price is right.
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
1:17 pm
Thanks cphizzle, I forgot to add earlier that Church is off the payroll too, so we got some money coming up to lock up young talent.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
1:19 pm
Hey Mixxo!
This is kind of funny I had to stop watching the game around the 5th inning…so I went home and was watching the game through gameday on my phone.
I was shaving when B-Mac hit that homer…
Enough said!
Heath
July 31st, 2009
1:19 pm
Heyward could very well be in the OF on opening day next year. That said, there will be a lot of decisions to be made about the following OFs:
-Diaz
-GA
-Church
I say Diaz is the only one that is guaranteed a spot, and for only one reason–he’s a RH bat. So, if Heyward is indeed ready on opening, it might be hard to offer GA another one-year contract (which they would have to do before ST). I could, however, see the Braves with GA, McLouth, and Heyward in the OF with Diaz and Schafer on the Bench. I think the guy that is most likely to be the odd man out is Church. I bet they offer him a contract and trade him instead of releasing him.
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
1:20 pm
My comment didn’t post, but go to baseballreference.com and compare Adrian Gonzalez and Adam Laroche, Laroche is having a down year right now, but point being Freeman will easily be as good and most likely be better both defensively and offensively than these guys.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
1:20 pm
Twins acquire Orlando Cabrera
Glass Half Full
July 31st, 2009
1:21 pm
Church is arb eligible
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
1:22 pm
All depends on how the relief market shapes up. I could see Soriano getting a contract similar to Fuentes. Given that K-Rod got three years and 36 million, I can’t imagine any teams willing to go to more than three years for Soriano with his injury history. What will be interesting is whether or not the Braves offer him arbitration so that they can at least receive two high draft picks for him if he departs via free agency. He is making a little over 6 million, so I would assume his arb. number could climb above 8 million. Would the Braves be willing to pay him that much for one season? We’ll see.
McFann ;Ô;
July 31st, 2009
1:22 pm
Mixxo BMAC showed me something last night…….”leader-style.”
Looks like we have our own “Varitek” …..finally.
Yeah! He’s the mann!
Nova Scotia Steve–
You missed it? How sad…
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
1:24 pm
That’s not the point. I think what some of us are meaning is that right now, there’s not enough to actually make it to the post season this year.
How is there not enough? Not saying the Braves are guaranteed to make it but the roster as currently constructed is good enough. Braves are probably more talented than any team with a shot at the NL Wild Card.
I’m not saying mortgaging the future or anything, but if a deal can occur that won’t give up the farm and it helps, why not go for it?
I agree but how do you know such a deal can occur? I think if such a deal could occur, Wren would do it. I think it’s clear that Wren is not shy about making some bold moves.
DP
July 31st, 2009
1:24 pm
The Braves don’t have the budget to spend $12 million a year on a one inning closer and despite being lights out this year, Soriano doesn’t have the history of durability to justify a 4 year deal. I’d be shocked if the Braves offer him more than $8 million a year on a 2 or 3 year deal.
The Yankees will probably offer him 4 years $36 million to be a setup guy unless they’ve sworn off hard throwing ex-Braves relievers after their disastrous multi-year deals for Steve Karsay and Kyle Farnsworth.
N8
July 31st, 2009
1:26 pm
Flange1, Thanks. Appreciate it.
“Plus, as I mentioned on the last blog, the current Braves team is clearly better than the Braves team from the first few months of the season.” Shaun
Agree with your point in general, and especially with the portion I posted above. That being said, the Phillies are obviously better as well, with the addition of Cliff Lee, and the Giants improved themselves as well.
I’m not against us “going for it” this year. I just think with Wren’s stance on standing pat, and with the teams we’re chasing improving their clubs, that our chances of catching them have been seriously reduced. We played excellent ball in recent weeks and still are 8 back in the division and 4 in the wild card.
On June 30th, we were 4 back in the division, and 4 back in the wild card. On May 31st, we were 7 back in the division and 4 back in the wild card.
My point, is that after an incrdibly hot stretch of baseball, we really haven’t gained any ground. Add in the Phillies getting Lee and the Giants adding Sanchez, we are REALLY going to have to pour it on to gain ground.
While I like our club, and think we’ll play ball at a higher winning percentage in the second half, compared to the first half, I don’t like our chances of catching and passing all the teams we need to catch and pass to win the WC, and barring sweeping the Phillies for the rest of the year, don’t like our chances of catching or passing them, either.
Since 2002, here are the win totals for NL Wild Card winner: 95, 91, 92, 89, 88, 90, 90
So, let’s assume that the Wild Card winner only wins 88 games this year (best case scenario for us). We have 52 wins right now, with 60 games to go. To reach that bare minimum of 88 wins, we would need to go 36-24 the remainder of the season.
I’m not sure this team has it in them to play 12 games over .500 for the next 60 games. It would also require the Giants (who are 10 games over .500) to go 22-38, the Rockies (who are 8 games over .500) to go 23-37, the Cardinals (who are 7 games over .500), to go 22-35, and the Marlins (who are 4 games over .500), to go 25-35.
That’s what those teams have to ALL do to reach exactly 88 wins. Assuming that 88 wins is the “magic number” for the wild card, and there is no reason to believe that it won’t have to be at least that much, sine in 7 years, it’s never been less than that.
Like I said. The odds are not in our favor. Once again, our June killed dug a hole and essentially killed our chances.
Since we can’t assume that all of those teams will fail that badly, (if any – since we just lost 2 of 3 to the Marlins, failing to move past them one at a time), the Braves need to go on a 1993/post acquiring McGriff type of run to just play better than all of them.
With the pace that the Giants are on (with the Rockies and Cards not far behind), I think it’s going to take 92+ wins to win the Wild Card.
Which means that the Braves will need to go 40-20 in the last 60 to overtake all of them.
Let me know if you think THAT is going to happen withour Wren making a move or two in the next 2.5 hours.
GoBraves123
July 31st, 2009
1:26 pm
twins get orlando cabrera
DAP
July 31st, 2009
1:28 pm
marc from fl, fuentes got $17.5 mil for two years. thats 8mil this season $9.5 mil next season.
soriano might get $12mil, i dont know…but id dont think hed get that much AND 4 years…
Andrew in P-tang
July 31st, 2009
1:30 pm
braves wont make a move…lets call up heyward
True Blue
July 31st, 2009
1:30 pm
5 bucks says there will be more dodger fans than braves fans tonight!
Go Dodgers!
cphizzle
July 31st, 2009
1:32 pm
what are the chances KJ ends the day as a brave?
True Blue
July 31st, 2009
1:33 pm
We just got Halladay!
Packerman
July 31st, 2009
1:33 pm
Yesterday we would have had to go 37-24 to get to 88 wins. Now its only 36-24! That’s only .600 ball! Holy crap, this is doable! lol
Winning 88 games isn’t going to be easy for this team, but you’ve got to start somewhere. Might as well take last night’s win and make it the start of something.
The Truth
July 31st, 2009
1:33 pm
Franklin Wren is not going to offer Soriano arbitration. He should do what I say:
TRADE SORIANO
TRADE GONZO
TRADE VASQUEZ
Get back prospects that can help in 2010 and beyond.
DP
July 31st, 2009
1:33 pm
N8, you’re way off on the calculations of what the other wild card contenders would have to do for the Braves to pass them with 88 wins. 88 wins is 14 games over .500. If the Giants are 10 games over .500 now, they would be at 88 by playing 4 games over .500 the rest of the way. If they go 22-38 they would be 6 games under .500, 78 wins instead of 88.
Not to say that passing that many teams from 4 games back with 60 to go isn’t a big task, because it is. One bad week all but knocks the Braves out of the wild card with that many teams in front because everybody can’t lose at the same time.
stamper
July 31st, 2009
1:35 pm
n8…i could be wrong, but i think your math is off..
braves4ever
July 31st, 2009
1:35 pm
One big reason the Braves are Not going to make a move is Heyward, Why go out and bring in a trade that will only be a temp 1-2 year guy when if they make no moves but bring up Heyward in Sept there is room for him to get real playing time, a trade blocks him for a year or two. Its a no-brainer fill the ranks from within. Give the kid a chance to show what he can do in Sept ,we lose nothing,and have a lot to gain.
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
1:35 pm
5 bucks says there will be more dodger fans than braves fans tonight!
Go Dodgers! True Blue
Is there some sort of code that opposing fans who visit for a series to talk smack have to have rhyming names?
N8
July 31st, 2009
1:35 pm
I’m not sure this team has it in them to play 12 games over .500 for the next 60 games. It would also require the Giants (who are 10 games over .500) to go 22-38, the Rockies (who are 8 games over .500) to go 23-37, the Cardinals (who are 7 games over .500), to go 22-35, and the Marlins (who are 4 games over .500), to go 25-35.
Sorry. I was “10 off” on all of the records for the Giants, Rockies, Cards and Marlins. Should have used a calculator.
The Giants would need to go 32-28, the Rockies would need to go 33-27, 32-25, and the Marlins 35-25.
Not sure what the hell I was thinking. Either way, it would require all of the teams ahead of us to play worse than they have, and for us to play far above it.
Sorry for the bad math. But the point remains the same. And that’s assuming that the “goal” for all of those teams is 88 wins. The Giants are currently on pace for 89 wins.
flange1
July 31st, 2009
1:36 pm
Unless the Braves are blown away, I think the odds of KJ being a Brave until the end of this season are very good….
DAP
July 31st, 2009
1:38 pm
marc from FLcompare Adrian Gonzalez and Adam Laroche, Laroche is having a down year right now, but point being Freeman will easily be as good and most likely be better both defensively and offensively than these guys.
im guessing you are talking about minor league numbers…even so, i dont see how you can predict freeman will be as good as laroche or gonzalez. both had better number than freddie freeman does.
oh, and they both spent 6 years in the minors. are we gonna have to wait 3 more years for freeman to be ready?
also, just throwing this out there, you know who else had better numbers in the minors than freeman? scott thorman. im just saying. prospect are just prospects.
N8
July 31st, 2009
1:38 pm
Wow. I’m taking a break. I copied and pasted the first paragraph of my previous post in the “box” so I wouldn’t have to scroll up to see it. Then I hit submit comment before deleting it.
But yeah, as my previous post stated, I was way off mathematically. The number of “wins” for those totals to be correct, was 78 wins.
So, if you think 78 wins will win the wild card, then feel free to use the numbers from the first post.
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
1:39 pm
Agree with your point in general, and especially with the portion I posted above. That being said, the Phillies are obviously better as well, with the addition of Cliff Lee, and the Giants improved themselves as well.
The Phillies definitely improved but the Braves aren’t trying to catch the Phillies. The Phillies probably have the division won already.
The Giants didn’t improve that much. I still say they fall short of the Braves’ talent even with their moves. Garko is an average firstbaseman at best and Sanchez is not a great player.
By the way, I agree with your overall point I think. While we disagree on the Braves’ chances, I agree that Wren shouldn’t give up too much talent to improve this year’s team (that doesn’t need improving when they already have a decent shot at the Wild Card).
KillerHohn
July 31st, 2009
1:39 pm
That’s what Atlanta should do. For no good reason, trade Gonzalez, Soriano and Vazquez. It doesn’t matter what they get back, just trade them.
TnBrian
July 31st, 2009
1:39 pm
True Blue = loser. You got steroid Manny, a drunk,lying midget as your SS, a catcher who has Screech hair, and they still haven’t won anything in 20 years.
CB
July 31st, 2009
1:40 pm
The Braves could do what many teams do, go young with a lot of the payroll being directed at starting pitching. This would mean an outfield of McLouth,Heyward and Schafer with a fourth outfielder who is a right handed bat,the infield would remain the same. Under this scenario one of Lowe or KK would have to go, leaving the team to use most of the rest of budget for arbitration raises and bullpen.
NORRIS
July 31st, 2009
1:40 pm
the braves need to call up Heyward NOW! DFA norton.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
1:43 pm
Shaun
“How is there not enough? Not saying the Braves are guaranteed to make it but the roster as currently constructed is good enough. Braves are probably more talented than any team with a shot at the NL Wild Card.”
There’s offensive talent don’t get me wrong and you’re right the talent could be better than some other teams in the race, but even during the recent hot streak of the offense it has been hit and miss in crucial situations. That is a product of not having enough consistency. Regardless of the hot streak and even that they are hitting better, there’s still some inconsistency.
A consistent bat would help. As much as I would like an A-Gon or someone else of that ilk, if Braves can get a bat of the ilk of Willingham which would come cheaper, both money and prospect package wise, then the deal should be made. I know Willingham isn’t exactly the best model of consistency due to injuries, but more often than not, he’s on when he’s healthy. I’m not saying go for him only, but if a bat of the same ilk (cheap money and prospect package to get him) can be had, why not go for it?
Then there’s the bullpen. A product of fatigue from over usage. With or without Tim Hudson, bullpen needs help period. Because if nothing is done to help the bullpen, might as well call it a season, which would be clearly absurd when Braves are still in the race and could compete this year.
I’m not saying a HUGE thing should be done trade wise, but standing pat and going with what’s here, it seems like a clear sign of waiving the white flag, even though Braves are still in the thick of things.
If Hudson and Infante can help to the point where it puts Braves over the edge and can somehow be that push into the post season, I’ll gladly accept a nice plate of crow.
However, being realistic here, I’m not holding my breath. If nothing is done, then I’m more sure that there won’t be any crow eating into my future.
The other point, you do have a point there.
Mixxo
July 31st, 2009
1:44 pm
Nova Scotia Steve & McFann ;Ô;,/strong>
It wasn’t necessarily the HR he hit, although that was fantastic, but moreso the after-game comments of his with a sincere “sense of purpose” tone behind them. I’ve seen flashes of this from him throughout the year, but last night was a bit more urgent and animated.
Also, a little trivia here, those RBI’s of his in the 10th were his FIRST in his MLB career…..in extra innings.
Packerman
July 31st, 2009
1:44 pm
Not sure why the Braves would have to be “blown away” to deal Kelly. We don’t exactly have a dearth of 2B/utility men in our organization. Infante, Prado, and Conrad can all play 2B, and are all as good or better in the field and with the bat. Kelly for a bullpen arm or a decent prospect should be acceptable.
Mixxo
July 31st, 2009
1:45 pm
Yikes!
Didn’t mean to strong the whole post, but ok.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
1:47 pm
I can live with an outfield of McLouth-Schafer-Heyward to open the season.
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
1:48 pm
N8,
I like the way Baseball Prospectus does their projections. They have projections where they simulate the rest of season 1,000 times and nudge teams’ records towards what they projected teams to do during the preseason.
Currently they give the Braves about a 45 percent chance to make the playoffs. They give the Rockies about a 47 percent chance. The Cubs are at 44 percent. The Giants are at 18 percent. So according to their method, the Braves have about as good a chance as any other Wild Card contender. Also, according to their projections, around 89-90 wins will likely take the Wild Card.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
1:48 pm
Adrian Gonzalez is a .260 hitter. Yes he has power, but nowhere near good enough for what the Padres are demanding.
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
1:48 pm
NORRIS,
I’m “drinking the koolaid” because I say Obama is an intelligent human being? Yeah, OK buddy. And what conclusions can you draw from my personality by me stating Obama is an intelligent person? That’s right, nothing. For the record I didn’t vote for Obama and don’t agree with a lot of what he’s doing. But he’s smart. Smarter than you or me or probably anyone else that posts in this space. It has nothing to do with whether you like his political agenda or not (I don’t like most of it). You don’t get to be president if you’re an idiot. So don’t be a f****** dumbass and say he’s an idiot then attack me when I point out you’re wrong.
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
1:48 pm
True Blue – don’t know where you saw that the Dodgers got Halladay but it’s nowhere in the AP
kdbanks
July 31st, 2009
1:48 pm
Shin Soo Choo! Shin Soo Choo! Shin Soo Choo! Come on Frankie…Get him!
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
1:49 pm
kdbanks
The Indians are rebuilding; why on earth would they trade a good cheap outfielder
NORRIS
July 31st, 2009
1:50 pm
unless shaffer shows something different he isnt the answer. Its not like he was just not getting on base. He was a strike out machine.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
1:50 pm
Time is clicking. Hopefully, something is done. A bullpen arm would be a start.
TBrown
July 31st, 2009
1:51 pm
People that can’t spell “Schafer” shouldn’t be allowed to talk about him.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
1:51 pm
Time is ticking* ~_~
wilymo
July 31st, 2009
1:52 pm
I’m pretty sure that given the economy and his injury history that Soriano would be pretty happy getting a deal like Fuentes or Wood got last year. If he gets in the neighborhood of $10-12 per I don’t think he can expect anything more than two years with maybe an option like Fuentes got. My guess is a 2 year deal in the $9-10 per range, or 3 years in the $7-8 mil per range.
McFann ;Ô;
July 31st, 2009
1:52 pm
Mixxo–
Thanks for reminding me! I gotta check foxsports.com for a post-game interview. I’d really like to hear what he said. So did Jerome interview him on the field?
Also, a little trivia here, those RBI’s of his in the 10th were his FIRST in his MLB career…..in extra innings.
Yikes…I knew his AVG and stuff in extras weren’t spectacular, but…
indeed!
Packerman
July 31st, 2009
1:52 pm
I’ve got a BS in economics from MIT, and a Masters from Harvard. Can I talk about Obama’s intelligence?
LOL. That’s all a lie, but I just thought I’d have a little fun…
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
1:52 pm
Guys…
We need to beat Jason Schimdt tonight badly…
Heath
July 31st, 2009
1:52 pm
Rob from SC -
Adrian Gonzalez would benefit greatly from being traded. I’m not saying that he would go froma .260 hitter to a .320 hitter, but two things that a trade will give him:
1.) A better lineup in which to hit, giving him better pitches to hit
2.) A better park in which to hit.
If he were to be traded to a contender, I can see him hitting for 20 to 30 point higher in his BA.
Andrew in P-tang
July 31st, 2009
1:53 pm
braves wont do anything
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
1:53 pm
Herschel Talker
July 31st, 2009
1:54 pm
Manny Ramirez likes men
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
1:56 pm
That’s A-Gon’s problem. Reason why some say he’s overrated due to his low average is because of what lineup he’s in. I mean seriously, look at Pads lineup. Put A-Gon in a Yankee or a Red Sox or even a Braves lineup, I’m sure his average would be much better and his would probably be able to hit more HRs.
GboroBravo
July 31st, 2009
1:56 pm
From MLBTR:
Red Sox To Acquire Victor Martinez
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 12:55pm CST]
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from the Indians.
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
1:56 pm
http://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/3055091029
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
1:56 pm
“USA Today’s Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from the Indians.”
This made sense. It’s like they have too many prospects. They needed to do “something” to upgrade their team. I wonder if they gave up Buchholz. I would think they would of had to, but ya just never know.
raleighbravesfan
July 31st, 2009
1:56 pm
Marc from Florida, I agree with everything you have said about the players and the payroll. The future is looking good, and we may have enough this year. A little bullpen help couldn’t hurt, but I don’t want to give much away.
I don’t agree about the steroids. I think it taints the game, and nullifies the records. It also is a terrible example for the kids. However, I know I am an old fart.
Carroll Rogers
July 31st, 2009
1:58 pm
seriously, don’t bring politics over to this blog too. end it now.
DAP
July 31st, 2009
1:58 pm
rob from scAdrian Gonzalez is a .260 hitter. Yes he has power, but nowhere near good enough for what the Padres are demanding.
but what are they asking for exactly? and from looking at his stats, its looks like adrian gonzalez is a little bit better than ryan howard. thats a pretty big bat, no?
Heath
July 31st, 2009
1:59 pm
Two hours left…
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
2:01 pm
I’m talking about the man not his methods.
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
2:01 pm
N8, BravesFanChris24 and others,
Most of the teams in the Wild Card hunt are over-performing their preseason projections and they aren’t particularly under-performing based their run differential. The Cubs are really the only team that has under-performed preseason expectations, but in hindsight I don’t think it’s a huge surprise that the Cubs are where they are given that they are relying on lots of veterans slightly past normal peak age.
What does all of that mean? Well, it means that none of the teams in the Wild Card hunt are likely to go on an extreme tear, and run away and hide. This is a big reason I think the Braves have just as good a shot as any team to pull it out even with the roster as is.
Again, the Braves spent most of the year with guys like Francoeur, Johnson and Schafer in the everyday lineup and they still kept pace.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:01 pm
DAP
MLBTRADERUMORS said that GM’s are saying the Padres want 3 times what Toronto wanted for Halladay.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:02 pm
For the last time, Schafer is INJURED. You can’t hit with a severely injured wrist.
BL
July 31st, 2009
2:02 pm
Marc from Fla
It is the media that won’t stop with all the dang steroids talk. These lists were not suppossed to be made public, which is why most of the athletes probably agreed to get tested. But magically somehow the media finds a way. Selig doesn’t know what day it is anyways.
I agree, tired of all the banter.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
2:03 pm
Kenshinty Kawacrappy…
I had to get it out at least once…it’ll be the last time for today
stamper
July 31st, 2009
2:03 pm
holy balls, Cody Johnson strikes out a ton!… he has a solid OPS with tons of pop, but really?
128 k’s in 339 ABs? wow.
DAP
July 31st, 2009
2:03 pm
roc from sc, haha, gotcha. he wont be traded, then.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:03 pm
If Cleveland trades Victor Martinez to Boston and does not get Buchholz back, their GM better get fired now
cphizzle
July 31st, 2009
2:04 pm
well said nova scotia steve, well said sir
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
2:04 pm
Shaun
While you bring up a good point there, it doesn’t mean anything concrete really. Anything can happen in baseball. I’m not discrediting your point with the projections, but that doesn’t exactly mean some of the teams can’t go on a tear.
See Rockies in 07 for prime example.
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
2:04 pm
DAP,
Adrian Gonzalez isn’t just a little bit better than Ryan Howard. He’s a whole heck of a lot better than Ryan Howard. Even armed with Citizens’ Bank Park, Howard’s OWin% is .650 opposed to Gonzalez’s .684 (having to play in Petco). Gonzalez has hit .262/.371/.599 away from Petco this year. And OPS+ favors Gonzalez by 26 points (130 to 156). Howard is good at hitting home runs, that’s about it. Adrian Gonzalez is good at many other things. And the defense!
Heath
July 31st, 2009
2:05 pm
Rob from SC -
Shapiro in Cleveland has a pretty good track record of getting prospects that turned out to be pretty good. Shapiro’s job is not going to be in jeopardy.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
2:05 pm
And even Rays last year.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:05 pm
Red Sox are about to acquire V-Mart, where the heck are they going to play him?
DAP
July 31st, 2009
2:06 pm
PWHjort, i agree.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
2:07 pm
V-Mart likely to catch and 1B. LaRoche could give V-Mart a day or so off.
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
2:07 pm
If Cleveland trades Victor Martinez to Boston and does not get Buchholz back, their GM better get fired now
Why? What if they get Bowden and Lars Anderson instead? Or Bard/Masterson/Tazawa/Reddick/Westmoreland. Buchholz isn’t the only premium piece in their system. I personally like Bowden better. And it isn’t like the Indians are going to be competitve through the life of V-Mart’s contract. Might as well move him for as much as you can get now. Even if that isn’t Buchholz.
Andy K.
July 31st, 2009
2:07 pm
I think the plan is to let V-Mart replace Varitek next year
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:08 pm
A fair trade for the Red Sox and Padres would be
San Diego Gets:
Clay Buchholz
Daniel Bard
Lars Anderson
Jed Lowrie
Manny Delcarmen
Boston Gets:
Adrian Gonzalez
Heath Bell
BravesfaninWis
July 31st, 2009
2:08 pm
It would be a shame for the Braves to do nothing while the division and wild card are up for grabs.. With the current team they are not going to win either one.. We need a power bat to put in between Chipper and Mac and until we do that, we are nothing more then mediocre..
This team has shown in the last few weeks that we can be very good, and also very bad.. We have some holes to fill and if we don’t fill them, it just tells the fans that they aren’t serious about winning this year..
As for Furcal, I hope he gets booed heavily each and every time he is up to bat.. The guy deserves it after what he did to us this past off season..
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:09 pm
PWHjort
Big talent difference between Buchholz and Bowden
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
2:09 pm
BravesFanChris24, right. Anything can happen in baseball but that doesn’t mean it’s likely to. It’s just as likely that the Braves will be the team to go on a tear. No one can predict the future. The best anyone can do is take all the available data and try to make the best guess of what is likely to happen. And clearly the best guess of what is likely to happen is that the Braves remain right there with the other Wild Card contenders, which means they are just as likely as the others to win the thing.
CLE
July 31st, 2009
2:09 pm
No, Shapiro’s job won’t be in jeopardy, but there are plenty of Indians fans who wish it would be if he trades away Martinez to the Red Sox. Plenty around here still fuming over the Cliff Lee trade.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
2:09 pm
Speaking of Mark Shapiro, I have an interesting story. Three years ago I decided to quit my job because I was traveling about 90% of the time. While I was looking for a new job that summer (’06) I decided to work at DirecTV over the summer to do something fun. (A guy I knew met a TON of women at DirecTV and had a great time during the summer months…ya, I know, but that is not part of this story.) I actually got a service call to go out to Shapiro’s house. He was not there, just his wife. At first, it did not hit me who he was until I went in to his office as saw all the pictures and memorabilia. His wife was a really nice woman…
abwright
July 31st, 2009
2:10 pm
It’s too bad the Braves had to play the Pirates early in the season, when they actually had some players.
Here’s hoping that San Diego trades their whole major league team at the deadline. That would give the Braves six easy games in the second half.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:11 pm
Braves are getting two relievers here very soon, my sources say so.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:12 pm
Trading Adrian Gonzalez opens 1B for Blanks
McFann ;Ô;
July 31st, 2009
2:12 pm
Hmm…foxsports.com doesn’t have any new video up yet. I’m sure this will be one time when they don’t post anything.
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
2:13 pm
Yes, there’s a talent gap between Buchholz and Bowden. But I’d rather build my rotation with Bowden, more mature, smarter, doesn’t get nibbler’s fever, isn’t going to be inconsistent, and has a better chance of panning out as an above-average starter. Even if his ceiling isn’t that of Buchholz’s.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
2:13 pm
Shaun
Good point there. The difference is though, the teams ahead have done something to further their chances. If Braves don’t, then that decreases their chances in my opinion. Unless like I said, Hudson and Infante are those sparks, but that doesn’t appear likely, especially coming from two injuries.
Andrew in P-tang
July 31st, 2009
2:13 pm
http://www.talkingchop.com/2009/7/31/970458/braves-sign-shortstop-prospect
Heath
July 31st, 2009
2:13 pm
…Shapiro’s wife was telling me about cool stories with the club and stuff like that. (Nothing non G-rated.)
Drew
July 31st, 2009
2:13 pm
abwright… you really think that is a good thing?
*See record vs. Nationals*
Chop Chop
July 31st, 2009
2:14 pm
Heath,
If you ever get tired of blogging, you might have a future as an adult movie screenplay writer.
Andrew in P-tang
July 31st, 2009
2:14 pm
Original Jon- shut up, you have no sources.
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
2:14 pm
PWHjort, Buchholz has a higher ceiling than Bowden. Bowden is a #3, at best, from what I’ve read. Buchholz has the ability to be a frontline guy.
Mixxo
July 31st, 2009
2:14 pm
McFann ;Ô;
Yes it was Jerome on the field IIRC. Just a short bit, but with intensity.
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
2:16 pm
It would be a shame for the Braves to do nothing while the division and wild card are up for grabs.. With the current team they are not going to win either one.. We need a power bat to put in between Chipper and Mac and until we do that, we are nothing more then mediocre..
I don’t think the division is up for grabs but the Wild Card definitely is.
However, no need to grab a great bat (unless the Braves can get one a pennies on the dollar, which isn’t likely). Again, the Braves kept pace in the Wild Card with the likes of Francoeur, Kelly Johnson having a down year and Schafer in the lineup everyday. They certainly have a decent shot at the Wild Card without making a drastic move that could compromise their future.
DOB The Joke
July 31st, 2009
2:16 pm
1st DOB is a joke!
2nd You guys should check out the message boards at atlantabraves.com where you can actually go to the topic you want to discuss.
3rd Those dogging on KK are NOT smart about baseball. In 19 starts KK has only given up more than 3 earned runs 4 times. That’s right, 15 of 19 starts with 3 earned runs or less. If you don’t think that is worth 8 million on the FA market then you are hollow between the ears.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:16 pm
Andrew in P-tang, wow, such violent behavior, what a douchebag move that was on your part. Jerk.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
2:16 pm
Original Jon
“Braves are getting two relievers here very soon, my sources say so.”
I’ll believe it when I see it. Not discrediting you or your sources ~_~
Heath
July 31st, 2009
2:16 pm
Chop Chop -
Everything was G-rated with Shapiro’s wife, she was a nice woman that told me some cool stories. Can’t say the same about all the women I met over the few months I did that job though……
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
2:16 pm
Anyone on here on Facebook???
Mixxo…McFann…Heath…
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
2:17 pm
Efrim,
See my 2:13.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:17 pm
And yes, I do have sources, A-hole
Andrew in P-tang
July 31st, 2009
2:18 pm
Stop crying like a little girl Jon.
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
2:18 pm
I have a feeling Shapiro didn’t get Buchholz in the deal.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:18 pm
wish we kept Charlie Morton
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
2:19 pm
For those of you responding to the steroid comments earlier. I agree completly that it’s a bad example, but at the same time, I don’t think any of these info coming out should really be *new* news, I just think this is Bud Selig milking it for everything it’s worth, that and a baseball media that’s trying to talk about something “different” for a change. Worst possible day though, this is the 3rd most exciting day during the regular season and most of what I’ve heard today is steroid talk by baseball media.
To the Adrian responses… I’m a little biased against Adrian probably, and made that comparison cause he’s basically an Adam Laroche with a little more pop. However, take him out of the Padre’s stadium half of the year and he might flourish. Still though, if that is the case we all know the Braves would fork up the money to lock him up long-term, and then we don’t have Kotchman, Freeman, or Gonzalez…
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:19 pm
Original Jon
what names are you hearing
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:19 pm
BravesFanChris24, yeah, now, I never said Braves were trading for 2 relievers, I said they were getting to relievers very soon. meaning Hudson coming back moving Kawakami to the pen and Buddy Carlyle. Oh, and a-hole in P-Tang, my sources are DOB and Carroll. Douchebag.
Packerman
July 31st, 2009
2:20 pm
Adult films featuring the Indians’ GM’s wife are G-rated? Wow…
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
2:20 pm
And Carroll, get with you IT staff and see what they can do to make it so comments can be edited, please, thanks bunches!
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:20 pm
Why dont you stop acting all bad behind your computer screen you little bitch and go pop your zits before your Mom gets home so she can apply the Proactiv to your face. You puss.
Andrew in P-tang
July 31st, 2009
2:22 pm
ouch it must be easy to get under original jon’s skin…what a wuss..original jon has no sources
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:22 pm
See, if you would have read my post and understood it, then you would know I never once said Braves were trading for relief help. I said, and I quote “Braves are GETTING two relievers here very soon, my sources say so.” Nowhere does it say trade or whatnot, it says getting.
richbrave
July 31st, 2009
2:23 pm
braves$:
Much deeper than that. DOMINICAN SUMMER LEAGUE.
Drew
July 31st, 2009
2:23 pm
Original Jon… how do you expect people to take that comment on the day of the TRADE deadline?
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:23 pm
Again, Andrew, if you would have read my original post and not acted like a douchebag mother f&^ker, then you would have understood what I was saying, but you didnt bother and you jumped the gun.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
2:23 pm
Kawakami/Carlyle to bullpen doesn’t sound that bad, but it’s not a sure thing for effectiveness and having to wait for Hudson is also not a good for that to happen.
I’d rather have a bullpen arm that you acquire in trade they can have now, then have KK and Carlyle. That way, you won’t have to wait too long for it to be too late.
If that happens, then the bullpen could be in decent shape.
However, that would leave a hole in the offense, unless Infante could be that spark.
Andrew in P-tang
July 31st, 2009
2:24 pm
stop acting important jon
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:24 pm
Drew, exactly how it was written.
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
2:24 pm
Tigers get Washburn, that’s a deal that makes sense, he’s a good fit with them.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
2:24 pm
Original Jon
You did say getting, but it could imply trading for.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:24 pm
Im not acting important, stop acting like I give a crap about what you say.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:24 pm
from BA
No. 5 JASON HEYWARD, RF
BRAVES
Team: Double-A Mississippi (Southern)
Age: 19
Why He’s Here: .455/.500/.818 (10-for-22), 2 2B, 2 HR, 8 RBIs, 6 R, 3 BB, 5 SO
The Scoop: In a week and a half, Heyward will blow out the candles on his 20th birthday cake, but he probably won’t have to wait until his 21st birthday to reach the major leagues given his current pace. Heyward, the No. 1 prospect in baseball, is hitting .416/.495/.714 with 13 walks and nine strikeouts in 22 games with Mississippi. Heyward’s offensive tools and feel for the strike zone are already outstanding, but the scary thing is that he’s still a little less than a decade away from his peak years.
Andrew in P-tang
July 31st, 2009
2:24 pm
Jon needs block from the blog until he comes off the roid rage.
Lame
July 31st, 2009
2:25 pm
ORIGINAL JON
SHUT UP
Braves are GETTING HAHA HOW FUNNY never said TRADE
Get a life bro
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
2:25 pm
wow, dodgers really trying to strengthen their pen…hard after heath bell as well…oh well, at least we have buddy carlyle coming back…not much more we could ask for really…
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:25 pm
Just because you all take it that way doesnt mean thats what i was saying.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:25 pm
I am my own sources
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:25 pm
LOL, laughable at best.
richbrave
July 31st, 2009
2:26 pm
ROB from SC:
Thank you. CM continues his uneven pace for the PIRATES, but is vastly improved this year over last. He’s going to make a solid middle of the rotation guy for them. And if he really steps up his game in a couple years, he’s off to the RED SOX or YANKEES.
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
2:26 pm
Good point there. The difference is though, the teams ahead have done something to further their chances. If Braves don’t, then that decreases their chances in my opinion. Unless like I said, Hudson and Infante are those sparks, but that doesn’t appear likely, especially coming from two injuries.
What have the teams ahead of the Braves in the Wild Card race done to make themselves significantly more talented than the Braves?
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t blame a team like the Giants for trying to improve their offense with Garko and Sanchez. Absolutely the right moves for them when they gave up expendable pieces and improving even by a few runs could mean the difference in winning the Wild Card and losing.
But the moves that the teams made don’t make them significantly more talented than the current Braves roster.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:27 pm
HAHA, you people are too uptight, really are. If anyone is Lame its you sitting here on a blog taking everything someone says so seriously. You people need to go outside and get a life.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
2:27 pm
Original Jon
I get what you are saying. You said getting. However, you said it in a vague type of way that was easy for someone to take it that way.
ChurchMan
July 31st, 2009
2:27 pm
2nd You guys should check out the message boards at atlantabraves.com where you can actually go to the topic you want to discuss
–
the message boards at atlantabraves.com is 99% like this blog with the only difference being it’s set up in message board form rather than a blog.
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
2:27 pm
Will Carrol says the Indians got Buchholz. http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/3055535429
N8
July 31st, 2009
2:28 pm
“3rd Those dogging on KK are NOT smart about baseball. In 19 starts KK has only given up more than 3 earned runs 4 times. That’s right, 15 of 19 starts with 3 earned runs or less. If you don’t think that is worth 8 million on the FA market then you are hollow between the ears.” DOB the Joke
Yeah. But in only 9 of those 19 starts has he lasted 6 innings or longer. One could argue that giving up 4 runs per start, but getting into or past the 7th inning more often than not, would be more valuble to the team than allowing fewer runs, and not lasting. Thus saving the bullpen for later in the year.
On the flipside, my whipping boy Javier Vazquez has NOT gone 6 innings or beyond, only 3 times in 22 starts. Lowe has gone 6 innings or more in 16 of 22 starts. JJJ has gone 6 or more in 17 of his 22 starts, and young Tommy Hanson has lasted 6 innings or more in 6 of his 9 starts.
Make no mistake. KK is as responsible for taxing this bullpen as anybody. I will agree that while in the games he’s pitching, KK ususally gives us good innings. He just doesn’t last long enough.
The guy has middle relief, spot starter written all over him. Or 5th starter. And a team with a 96 million dollar payroll can’t afford to spend 8 million dollars on their 5th starter.
BTW: For those that listen to Jim Rome, he is GOING OFF on Hohn’s “fist–bump” the other night. Calling it disgraceful. Asking: “What’s next? Why not walkout and give high fives to all of the Marlins on the mound?”
Rome is a little over the top and kind of a blowhard, but when you agree with him, he’s damn funny.
Andrew in P-tang
July 31st, 2009
2:29 pm
Jon, i think its you who needs to get a life buddy
Heath
July 31st, 2009
2:29 pm
Packerman -
No porn stuff with Shapiro’s wife. Not sure where you’re getting that. I made it very clear.
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
2:29 pm
And Will Carrol is wrong. Buchholz and Bard aren’t in the deal. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
2:30 pm
Just listenin to soem Bruce Springsteen….great stuff
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
2:30 pm
MLBTR saying that Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard are not in this deal.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:30 pm
Andrew, did you say something? Sorry I dont speak or understand gibberish. Come back to me when you get a life.
C's
July 31st, 2009
2:31 pm
1:27pm: FOX now says Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard are not in this deal
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
2:32 pm
BravesFanChris24, just because a team improves doesn’t necessarily mean that team got significantly better than even a team behind them in the standings. The team ahead that made moves a) could have just received marginally better players and b) the team ahead could have overperformed for most of the year or the team behind could have underperformed for most of the year or both.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
2:32 pm
Just under 90 minutes left…
Drew
July 31st, 2009
2:32 pm
Original Jon
I believe you. My whole point is you kind of went of for no reason. He actually went out of his way to not “discredit your sources.”
Anyway, I don’t see anything happening and I am perfectly happy and content with that. I still want to play for this year but with what we have. I hope for a serge and some good baseball out of the boys the rest of the way. I will continue to live and die with each pitch but at the same time it will be easier to take in the long run while looking at the future.
Packerman
July 31st, 2009
2:33 pm
Heath, sorry if I hit a nerve. I was just joshing.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:33 pm
BravesFanChris24, All I was implying was that Braves were getting two relievers. Does it matter how? no, it does not.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:33 pm
richbrave
Don’t get me wrong, I like Nate McLouth but I understand what he is. He is a .250-270 hitter with 20-25 HR power. He will also steal about 20 bases. You don’t need a team of 9 superstars. I am a Jason Heyward junkie and would call hom up now. He, Escobar, and McCann are the stars for the current and future.
As far as Jordan Schafer is concerned in my eyes, we did not see the real Schafer this season. He did not K much in Spring Training or the first week of the season until he hurt his wrist. I think he can be a .280 12-15 HR 30 SB guy which is what we need because we lack a true leadoff hitter. I love our future OF. McLouth-Schafer-Heyward.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:34 pm
Drew I went off because he told me shut up, what kind of douchebag move is that?
Patron Saint of the Lost Art
July 31st, 2009
2:34 pm
Hey big news everybody…Brett Favre is going to STAY RETIRED. I will try and find out more as the news comes in.
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
2:34 pm
oh well, the budster will carry us to the promise land…
on a side note, i am certainly glad that he is getting his health issues under control!
wheelz007
July 31st, 2009
2:34 pm
Big trade for the Braves coming…
ATL Braves get:
- Tim Hudson
- Omar Infante
G Braves get:
- Valdez
- G. Norton or Kelly Johnson
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:35 pm
shapiro has had a bad two days in the eyes of their fans.
Paul Lentz
July 31st, 2009
2:35 pm
David O’Brien emailed me and said that he took care of the person who earlier today was using my name to make fake postings. Hopefully this wont happen again.
DOB The Joke
July 31st, 2009
2:36 pm
N8, you make good points. KK needs to go deeper the longer he is in the league or it will be considered a bad acquisition. I am still giving him a pass cause it is a new league, rotation schedule, etc.
Some quotes I read on here though make him sound like Oliver Perez. That he is not.
Thanks
July 31st, 2009
2:36 pm
thank goodness Paul, we were all really worried
chixluvthebraves2
July 31st, 2009
2:36 pm
There has not been one post for DOB or CR. Are the trades going down that boring or is there something brewing??……………ummmmmmmmm
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
2:37 pm
Original Jon
That’s not the point. I understood what you are saying when you said you just said getting.
My point is how you went off on others for implying you meant via a trade, when in fact, you said it in a vague way to where it was easy for someone to imply it that way.
I wasn’t discrediting you or your sources, I just thought it was via trade because of the way you vaguely said it.
Paulie Boy
July 31st, 2009
2:37 pm
Lentz
now we can just skip your posts, knowing we aren’t missing something funny an impostor wrote
kelevra
July 31st, 2009
2:37 pm
rob from sc
i agree on schafer, there was nothing in his numbers that said he was going to strike out that much, had to be the wrist. got to give him another shot
Heath
July 31st, 2009
2:37 pm
Packerman -
It’s all good, just was concerned that I didn’t make myself clear. She was cool…never would have thought I would end up in a baseball GM’s home…very coincidental. I decided to quit my job and take a fun job over the summer while I was looking for a more permanent type of position that didn’t make me travel all around the globe anymore. (I did take the DirecTV job because of the lonely housewives, though… (or girlfriends).
In all seriousness, I can not believe how comfortable many of those women were around me! I see less skin on “Skinamax”!
ChurchMan
July 31st, 2009
2:37 pm
wheelz007
I think the Wren just pulled a fast one over on the G Braves
I gotta think if those players the G Braves are getting don’t work out they might not be dealing with Atlanta ever again. Hudson AND Infante for Valdez and Norton/Kelly … wow
NORRIS
July 31st, 2009
2:37 pm
boy the Redsox are playing any games. They are getting everybody…
Anders
July 31st, 2009
2:37 pm
John Heyman reporting the Sox and Indians have a deal for Victor Martinez. Bucholz not in the deal. The rich get richer!
Andrew in P-tang
July 31st, 2009
2:37 pm
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
2:34 pm
Drew I went off because he told me shut up, what kind of douchebag move is that?
LOL, god what a little girl. Mommy he told me to shut up. Wow Jon.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
2:39 pm
1:35pm: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says (via Twitter) pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal.
From MLBTR
Packerman
July 31st, 2009
2:39 pm
Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson to the Indians.
Andyman
July 31st, 2009
2:39 pm
wheelz007 – Don’t the G Braves already have Valdez? My memory isn’t what it once was, but I could swear I watched him pitch the same night Hudson pitched his last rehab start.
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
2:40 pm
Nova Scotia Steve – did you know there’s a Facebook group for the blog?
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=53472692450
Heath
July 31st, 2009
2:40 pm
Rob from SC -
Cleveland fans may be a little upset right now, but it’s worth giving Shapiro the benefit of the doubt right now, he hasn’t ever really been fleeced in any of his trades. He almost always gets the better end of the deal. Cleveland has the 2nd lowest attendance in baseball, I think. It’s really bad in Cleveland with the state of Ohio, and the city of Cleveland in particular, far above the national unemployment average. The team stinks and fanc can’t afford tickets, so, it makes sense what Shapiro is doing.
N8
July 31st, 2009
2:40 pm
DOB the Joke, I don’t mind KK. In the 90’s he would have been perfect for the back end of our rotation. However, if healthy, I’d take Hudson (even at the higher salary) over him next year. And even though I’ve not been the biggest Vazquez supporter (still think we could get a ton for him in a trade), a rotation of Lowe, Vazquez, Hudson, JJJ and Hanson in 2010 would be the best in baseball, 1-5, imo. Maybe not 3 HOF/Cy Young candidates like the 90’s, but possibly our best 1-5 rotation Atlanta has ever seen in it’s deepness and inning eating ability.
But who knows? You might be right. Next year with a year of adjustment under his belt, KK might be one of those guys as well. He’s got good stuff, just needs to command it better, and get deeper into games.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:41 pm
Schafer K’s 17 times in 68 ST at-bats ( 1 every 4 times up)
Then only 4 times in his first 19 at-bats before hurting his wrist
I will wait until he is healthy to evaluate him correctly
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
2:41 pm
Like seriously…there’s not even any Braves rumors???
Paul Lentz
July 31st, 2009
2:43 pm
Dont you guys realize that Frank Wren made 2 significant moves to improve the bench recently? Right before the All-Star Break, Greg Norton was activated. Last Thursday, Kelly Johnson came back from his rehab assignment.
These guys had great years last year and should be counted on to duplicate that success in the second half.
(uh……..do you guys think that I really believe that nonsense?)
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:43 pm
I am not a big Justin Masterson fan.
Drew
July 31st, 2009
2:43 pm
Original Jon…
Maybe I missed that post. But I digress.
richbrave
July 31st, 2009
2:43 pm
N8:
Agree ROME is NOT burning. But nothing funny behind the implications of a fist-bump between the ump and one team over the other at any time let alone at the end of a victory for the home team. BILLY HOHN should be banned by MLB for life.
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
2:44 pm
I am not a big Justin Masterson fan.
Me either. Lefties tear him up. I don’t think he’ll make it as a starter.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
2:45 pm
jeffrey d
Thanks man…just joined!
McFann ;Ô;
July 31st, 2009
2:46 pm
Mixxo Yes it was Jerome on the field IIRC. Just a short bit, but with intensity.
OK, thanks. I’ll check foxsports.com again late and maybe it’ll be up. They usually post the interviews (or, they’ve done quite a few of them), but like I said, they prob’ly won’t do it this time…
What does IIRC stand for?
<strong<Nova Scotia Steve–
Nah, I don’t do Facebook.
Drew
July 31st, 2009
2:46 pm
<—- will wear a fake mustache to every Braves game he attends in protest of Billy Hohn.
Anders
July 31st, 2009
2:47 pm
Do the Yanks have anything locked and loaded to respond?
Anyone watching the MLB Network. Great show. John Hart and Duquette giving great perspective on what’s happening for the GM’s today. Better than listening to those clowns on ESPN.
TBrown
July 31st, 2009
2:47 pm
I feel like every Rob from SC post takes the words right out of my mouth haha
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:47 pm
Bowden is better than Masterson. He has a almost sidearm motion. He has good strikeout number, but a hit per inning does not scream filthy stuff. LH hitting .313 against him.
Teams don’t give away top prospects anymore. Theo did a good job again.
However he will never live down the Julio Lugo signing
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
2:48 pm
Better Days – Bruce Springsteen….unreal!
P-Town Brave
July 31st, 2009
2:48 pm
So no Braves rumors on the trade front and nothing on anyone going to the DL even though we now have 3 injured players, a has been on the bench in Norton, and a couple never will be’s playing up the middle?!
Sounds like Tommy, Derek, and JJ need to pitch consecutive shutouts this weekend against a very good hitting Dodger team :-/
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
2:48 pm
If Wren stands pat and Braves don’t make it, it’ll be a sad thing, especially if there was a move however small it was he could have done that would have worked and given them that push to make it.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:49 pm
TBrown
Thanks man
I live and breathe baseball, makes my wife real mad sometimes.
Anders
July 31st, 2009
2:49 pm
Plus Hal Reynolds gives a no holes barred players perspective. He saying while this is a good trade for the Sox there is some fall out. Francona has to deal with Lowell, Varitek and Laroche all of who will lose some if not a lot of playing time. Real world stuff.
Brian
July 31st, 2009
2:50 pm
BravesFanChris24 , I agree. :/
P-Town Brave
July 31st, 2009
2:50 pm
Anders-
Agree w/ that assessment…listening to Olney and Kurkjian blab on and on about how much they don’t know and then Gammons talk all day long about the Red Sox gets real old after awhile…
I just wish they’d all stop talkin about Roy…I think if he was gonna go, he would have went by now! That and the Phils are out…
CLE
July 31st, 2009
2:51 pm
jeffrey d – Thanks for the FB link. Figured it was about time I joined, also.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:51 pm
Foor everyone mad that Frank Wren is not making any moves answer this one question.
If the following players are off limits
Jason Heyward
Tommy Hanson
Javier Vazquez
Jair Jurrjens
Freddie Freeman
Jordan Schafer (injured)
Who can we trade to get anyone worth while.
Don’t even say Medlen and Jo Jo Reyes.
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
2:51 pm
No prob Nova Scotia Steve….if you’re in a group joining mood (although it seems nobody really cares much about groups anymore) you can also join the McCann’s Cans group I made. I completly forgot about it until I saw it when I went to look up the URL for the blog group. Guess it needs some updating….last time I touched it was when he signed that contract extension.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=2228821447
Do you live in Nova Scotia now? I lived there for about year, but I couldn’t tell you where or anything about it because I was about 5 when it happened. We only stayed for a few months before moving back to the south for good.
P-Town Brave
July 31st, 2009
2:51 pm
BravesFanChris24-
I agree there too as even a small deal will pump a club up and say, hey, our front office wants to make a go at this thing.
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
2:51 pm
Rob from SC, Theo’s JD Drew signing wasn’t exactly the best either…nor his Eric Gagne trade…don’t get me wrong, Theo is a good GM, but his mistakes aren’t magnified as much as some others…
Heath
July 31st, 2009
2:52 pm
68 minutes to go…. not that I am counting or anything.
P-Town Brave
July 31st, 2009
2:52 pm
Rob-
I still fully believe we could trade Kelly to get a decent pen arm or a bat for the bench…
Andy K.
July 31st, 2009
2:53 pm
Scary Red Sox Lineup In Place for ‘10, if Bay returns:
1.Ellsbury-CF
2.Pedroia-SS
3.Youkilis-3B
4.Bay-LF
5.Martinez-C
6.Ortiz-DH
7.LaRoche-1B
8.Drew-RF
9.Lowrie-SS
TBrown
July 31st, 2009
2:53 pm
Rob from SC
I hear ya man. My girlfriend is on me all the time about having to watch the Braves. Oh well..
Keep up the posts so I don’t have to say anything. Long live Escobar and Heyward.
Anders
July 31st, 2009
2:53 pm
P-Town Brave – I’m not sure the Halladay thing is done. He has a lot more value now then he will in the off season. Essentially because he’s publicly stated he’s going FA after next year. I’d pay a lot more for two shots at a WS with him then just one next year.
Don’t count those freakin Yanks out on that yet.
NORRIS
July 31st, 2009
2:54 pm
our bullpen is absolutely horrible.
who do we have??
acosta…….stinks
moylan……has given up more games than everybody except maybe bennett
gonzo..,..,like a box of chocolate.
we have medlen who is pretty good and oflaherty who is marginal
so does this look like a pen that needs to stand pat.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
2:54 pm
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596/MLB-trade-deadline-buzz:-Friday’s-edition
Sources: Dodgers making run at Padre stars — 2:48 p.m.
Even with Indians catcher Victor Martinez headed to the Red Sox, there is still a possibility that the Padres will trade first baseman Adrian Gonzalez.
The Dodgers are making runs at both Gonzalez and Padres closer Heath Bell, either separately or in a blockbuster, according to major-league sources.
If the Dodgers acquired Gonzalez, they presumably would send first baseman James Loney to the Padres or trade him somewhere else.
Andy K.
July 31st, 2009
2:54 pm
pedroia at second, obviously, not short
TBrown
July 31st, 2009
2:54 pm
Andy K.
I believe Laroche is a free agent, and I highly doubt that he will be a Red Sox next year.
Mixxo
July 31st, 2009
2:55 pm
McFann ;Ô; – If I Recall Correctly
Nova Scotia Steve – I’ve got Facebook Steve, but hardly use it. Just some family on it is all.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
2:55 pm
Jeffrey D
I was born and raised in Nova Scotia…I actually work on radio…but I moved about two years ago…
I’m in Whitehorse,Yukon doin the radio thing here we’re neighbours to Alaska.
Been to Atlanta once… to see four games against the Cubs…also saw em in Montreal and Toronto when they were there…
Would love to move to Altanta…but the paperwork/visa’s etc is drag you have to go through.
Anders
July 31st, 2009
2:56 pm
Dodgers looking at Adrian Gonzalez AND Heath Bell? Yikes.
The Love Child of Dale Murphy and Johnny Cash
July 31st, 2009
2:56 pm
Nova Scotia Steve:
I saw Springsteen at Bonnaroo. About an hour into the concert he started talking about building houses of love and sexual healing. I left out of fear that he wanted to hump me. I’m not a big Springsteen fan, though.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:56 pm
Speaking of Kelly Johnson, while I was trying to fall asleep last night, i was thinking about why Kelly Johnson sucks so bad at defense. I think I figured it out. He has terrible hands. Before you disagree, when he plays watch how many balls hit him right in the glove then fall out. It happens even on routine plays. In all seriousness maybe he should try a bigger glove. Either way something needs to be done because he came very close to blowing another game last night.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
2:57 pm
Greg Ansinger is a dope…MLB Network should get rid of him. He is clueless.
Fluffy McNutter
July 31st, 2009
2:57 pm
Anders
Totally agree. MLBNetwork’s coverage today has been far superior to ESPN’s.
Bravosss
July 31st, 2009
2:57 pm
Can anyone explain to me why we keep talking about getting a bullpen arm? Especially with Hudson coming back and either having him or KK added to said BP? I’ve been hearing that for a week now and just don’t get it.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
2:58 pm
Anders
That would be tough to accomplish without Kershaw ( better be off limits), and Chad Billingsley. James Loney would be included, James McDonald has a very good upside. And OF Andrew Lambo and SP Josh Lindblom. Ivan DeJesus SS is ok.
curtis jones
July 31st, 2009
2:59 pm
I think fans should cheer Furcal, and bring signs thanking him for staying with the Dodgers. Thanks to his greed and manipulation, we still have Escobar!
TnBrian
July 31st, 2009
3:00 pm
When you look at the Yankees offseason and now the Red Sox you really do get a good look as to why the NFL dwarfs MLB. I really do believe Selig is a Boston and Yanks fan and loves the rivalry ratings….to hell with everybody else. Someday, maybe a long time from now, the modern day Yankees/Red Sox rivalry will be looked at as a steroid induced, money driven business other than “just a fun rivalry”. It’s all about the money.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:00 pm
Rob from SC
I’m not saying it should be for someone “worth while”, although it would be nice. Something small like an extra bullpen arm (which is needed) or an extra bat that could help in the stretch run that comes cheaply.
Something needs to be done to give an extra push. Yes, some players are coming back, but throwing all the eggs in their basket is quite frankly absurd unless they are sure things. Can you guarantee that they will be sure things?
P-Town Brave
“I agree there too as even a small deal will pump a club up and say, hey, our front office wants to make a go at this thing.”
Agreed. If the front office isn’t willing to get something done, it shows the players that it’s either you guys make it or no post season appearance and that’s not a good message to send.
It doesn’t have to be a great big deal. Just something to let the players know that we’ll get this or that done, we think with you guys and the extra help, we have a shot to make it.
It helps team psyche.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:00 pm
That deal mentioned during the game between the Marlins and Padres would have been outstanding for the Padres. I knew the Marlins would have said no. Some scouts say Stanton has more upside than Heyward but much more risk involved. Maybin still has great potential.
BL
July 31st, 2009
3:00 pm
abwright
the Braves do not historically win easy games.
Anders
July 31st, 2009
3:00 pm
I have to admit that Torre just showed up in LA and made them a power broker. I didn’t give him a lot of credit for his years with the Yanks. Have to admit he deserved more.
PMC
July 31st, 2009
3:01 pm
Furcal sucks balls, booing him is unnecessary…. he does all that too himself.
Rick
July 31st, 2009
3:01 pm
Canseco says there is now a Hall Of Famer who took steroids – probably talking about Rickey Henderson . They were together on the Oakand A’s when steroids were getting started in the late 1980s .
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:01 pm
Escobar better be off limits as well
Paul Wall
July 31st, 2009
3:01 pm
MLB traderumors says braves are interested in adam laroche WTF
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:01 pm
Braves interested in Adam LaRoche ~_~
True Blue
July 31st, 2009
3:01 pm
Furcal was smart. He knew who was contending this year and who wasn’t.
Brien
July 31st, 2009
3:01 pm
MLB Trade Rumors is reporting that the Braves are interested in Adam LaRoche from Boston…
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/braves-interested-in-adam-laroche.html
Coxlover
July 31st, 2009
3:02 pm
Braves are interested in acquiring Adam LaRoche.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:02 pm
First baseman Adam LaRoche becomes expendable for Boston if they complete the Victor Martinez trade; Jon Heyman of SI tells us via Twitter that the Braves are interested. LaRoche came up with the Braves; they traded him to Pittsburgh for Mike Gonzalez in ‘07.
Lennie G
July 31st, 2009
3:02 pm
ROACHYYYY????
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
3:02 pm
If Wren stands pat and Braves don’t make it, it’ll be a sad thing, especially if there was a move however small it was he could have done that would have worked and given them that push to make it.
I agree there too as even a small deal will pump a club up and say, hey, our front office wants to make a go at this thing.
A small deal is just that, a deal that isn’t going to make much of an impact. Why give up a young player that could turn in to something just to acquire a player who is only going to make a minimal difference? And why give up really talented young players to improve your playoff chances in the short term when the playoff chances are already decent?
Not saying a deal shouldn’t be made if it’s right. (Perhaps Wuertz for an expendable “non-prospect” for example.) But Wren has lots of things to weigh, as this team could be a truly great one as soon as next season.
Fluffy McNutter
July 31st, 2009
3:02 pm
Bravosss
We keep hearing about a bullpen arm, mostly because of how the main four guys in the pen have been overworked so far this season. We could use another reliable option so that Bobby won’t have those four guys running on fumes or on the DL come the stretch run.
TBrown
July 31st, 2009
3:02 pm
Tough to envision the Dodgers giving up Kershaw or Billingsley. They need to add to their rotation, not take out of it.
Jeffro
July 31st, 2009
3:02 pm
TnBrian….Very good point. I like.
geauxbraves2000
July 31st, 2009
3:02 pm
Why would the Braves be interested in LaRoche?
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
3:03 pm
GET ADAM LAROCHE….GET HIM…
Then flip Kotchman and someone else for a reliever?
Make sense??
Dan_in_NC
July 31st, 2009
3:03 pm
Jon Heyman (Sports Illustrated) says that the Braves might be interested in Adam LaRoche to fill a reserve role? WTH?
curtis jones
July 31st, 2009
3:03 pm
Don’t know if you heard, but 3 Braves pitchers are “charity bag boys” at a Publix store in Atlanta this afternoon. Medlen and Logan are doing okay, but Kawakami keeps trying to put items in the bag, and misses low and outside.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:03 pm
That would help the offense. Could acquire him on the cheap, since that would open for V-Mart to be 1B and Red Sox know it.
Drew
July 31st, 2009
3:03 pm
Bravosss… the thinking is with the innings on the 3 late innings guys (Moylan, Gonzo, MFIKY (Liked it so much I had to use it.) The Braves would like to have another 7th or 8th inning guy to throw out there and give the Big 3 a rest now and then.
NORRIS
July 31st, 2009
3:03 pm
yeah we may get hudson back for the pen or KK. But that is just one arm. We need a bullpen period. I think they all sit out there nightly and bet on who gets to lose it tonight.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:03 pm
Kotchman>LaRoche, right? Am I wrong on this?
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:03 pm
MLB traderumors say we want LaRoche
THWG
July 31st, 2009
3:03 pm
I’m very pleased with MLB Network. I enjoy their coverage. I wish they’d show Sunday Night Baseball rather than the homers over at BSPN.
Anders
July 31st, 2009
3:03 pm
Brian – The NFL dwarfs the MLB because the NFL players have about 10% of the power of the MLB players period. The NFL controls their product better than anyone. They spread the wealth and work well together.
Oh yeah, and all that gambling sure helps.
max
July 31st, 2009
3:04 pm
Braves interested in Adam LaRoche.
http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/3056023193
Kentavo
July 31st, 2009
3:04 pm
Why would Braves be interested in LaRoche?
I can see a RH platoon partner for Kotch, but not another lefty.
Curt
July 31st, 2009
3:04 pm
Makes sense to me, get LaRoche for a song and RELEASE Norton!!!!!!
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:04 pm
LaRoche does have big second halves.
THWG
July 31st, 2009
3:04 pm
Heath- Yes. But LaRoche>Norton
Herschel Talker
July 31st, 2009
3:04 pm
BravesFanChris24 at 3:02:
Don’t you think people on this blog know who Adam LaRoche is and when he got traded? You are a clown. And you like men.
What is the general consensus on this blog about Jo Jo Reyes and Kelly Johnson for Albert Pujols? I’d even throw in Greg Norton.
Dan_in_NC
July 31st, 2009
3:05 pm
The Sox are probably asking for Heyward, Medlen and a low level prospect for LaRoche? lol.
stamper
July 31st, 2009
3:05 pm
braves and laroche again? wha wha?
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:05 pm
MLB Network even mentioning the Braves’ interest in LaRoche.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:05 pm
Would be a good move. Trade for LaRoche and release Norton.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:05 pm
LaRoche > Norton
Herschel Talker
July 31st, 2009
3:05 pm
curtis jones at 3:03: lmao.
Jeffro
July 31st, 2009
3:05 pm
MLB now sayin Sox shopping LaRoche and Braves are interested…..If that happens that will solve nothing. Kotchman might not hit a ton of homers…but he hits for better avg then Laroche.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:06 pm
Maybe we can get a RP for Kotchman if we get LaRoche
Mixxo
July 31st, 2009
3:06 pm
Roachy!?
Paul Lentz
July 31st, 2009
3:06 pm
Anders……….for once I have to totally agree with your 3:03pm posting.
Renegator
July 31st, 2009
3:06 pm
Just under an hour to go. Where is DOB with trade news?
kelevra
July 31st, 2009
3:07 pm
this might work out better than trading for him from the pirates. the red sox just want to get rid of him now, where the pirates actually want value
TnBrian
July 31st, 2009
3:07 pm
I gotta admit that I thought we should’ve have gotten LaRoche before Boston did and now maybe they’re coming around on the idea. He’s a second half hitter, at least he ahs been before, and definitely has more power than Casey. Who knows, maybe they platoon?
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:07 pm
THWG -
Me > Norton. LaRoche would be an expensive bench piece…and do we really need a 1Ber on the bench? (A $7M bench player)
NORRIS
July 31st, 2009
3:07 pm
yes yes!!!! send norton to south georgia somewhere and let him teach little league. He is a nice guy. He could do that good.
Laroach, bring him on!
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:07 pm
Herschel Talker
“Don’t you think people on this blog know who Adam LaRoche is and when he got traded? You are a clown. And you like men.”
Normally I wouldn’t respond to absurd asinine comments from someone like this, but let me explain why I said what I said.
To the naysayers of a potential deal to get LaRoche back, I was just mentioning the notion he has big second halves as a reason why it wouldn’t be a bad thing.
I know people on the blog know it. I was restating it for the potential naysayers.
braves4ever
July 31st, 2009
3:08 pm
Curtis jones, I had to laugh at that!
abwright
July 31st, 2009
3:08 pm
If Braves were going to make a minor move, a veteran, switch hitting pinch hitter would be a good, under-the-radar move to make. Should be able to pry away a guy from the Pirates for not much in the minor leagues. Heck, if the Pirates are looking to move salary (even a little bit), could get someone for a bag of balls just by assuming his salary.
However, such a deal can get done after the trade deadline without too much fuss.
A bullpen arm or utility guy would be nice, but, Infante and Hudson coming back make giving up anything for something that won’t be around next year a poor decision.
Braves selling is not out of the question. I would be less shocked if the Braves move a pitcher in return for minor leaguers than if the Braves moved minor leaguers for a bat.
Even if this Braves team makes the play-offs, I’m not convinced that they will do anything against the Dodgers. We’ll see tonight whether the Braves might be competitive with the Dodgers. Braves are nicked up; Dodgers bullpen arms must be falling off.
timthebrave
July 31st, 2009
3:08 pm
Three points to make 1.When Hudson comes back we will have another bullpen guy. Him or KK will be in the bullpen. 2. How does Norton still have a job? He is completely overmatched by 88 mph fastballs. I can bat .100 if Bobby needs someone to strike out off the bench. 3.Go Braves!!
Johninnc
July 31st, 2009
3:09 pm
Norton need to work on developing a much better anti virus then norton 360
Anders
July 31st, 2009
3:09 pm
Laroche to the Braves?
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:09 pm
Saying basically a done deal one MLB Network (V-Mart trade).
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
3:09 pm
My guess is LaRoche would mean the Norton Era is over.
Duke
July 31st, 2009
3:10 pm
Think LaRoche over Kotchman would please me. A little more pop, think he would do well if he were back with Chipper and Bobby. Has good second halves and has adequate defense to KrotchFace. Plus we could possibly get a reliever for him.
THWG
July 31st, 2009
3:10 pm
I’m sure any deal would involve the Sox paying most of his prorated $7M salary. With only 2 months left, he’d be making more like 1 or 2 anyway.
TnBrian
July 31st, 2009
3:10 pm
Anders, ok, ok. Calm down, I’m just venting about the Yankees/Boston “rivalry”. You’re right too so now we can move on. The Braves looking at LaRoche so how about your Mets? Oh, sorry Anders. Probably hit a nerve there.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:10 pm
Kotchman has been mashing lately
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:10 pm
Boston has to eat a lot of salary…. $7M salary is a lot for a bench player in ATL.
Paul Lentz
July 31st, 2009
3:11 pm
I just dont see the Braves trading for Adam LaRoche. The only possible way would be if Boston were to pick up the rest of LaRoche’s salary for the season, which would allow the Braves to finally cut Greg Norton.
If LaRoche played more than one position, then it would make more sense. I just dont see it happening.
abwright
July 31st, 2009
3:12 pm
BTW, was Gonzalez’s velocity down last night? The radar gun had him registering 97, which is BS. Announcers indicated that his velocity had been down since the elbow injury. Could Gonzo’s arm be about to explode?
Herschel Talker
July 31st, 2009
3:13 pm
BravesFanChris24 – I’m all for getting LaRoche. I’m totally on board with ya. I was just screwing with ya. You’re my boy, blue.
Cameron
July 31st, 2009
3:14 pm
Mlbtraderumors.com is reporting that the Braves are interested in bringing back LaRoche, who is now expendable since the Sox acquired V Mart. If so, they need to hurry the deadline is 4 p.m.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:14 pm
Red Sox Officially Acquire Victor Martinez
Package: Pitchers Nick Hagadone, Justin Masterson and Bryan Price.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
3:14 pm
Shaun (3:09),
Yeah, I see Norton being DFA’d if LaRoche deal is done.
Wonder if you’ll see Kotchman shopped around for a reliever in a waiver trade in August, too.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:16 pm
Since V-Mart is a Re3d Sox, I’m pretty sure it won’t take much to get Adam back.
TBrown
July 31st, 2009
3:17 pm
Guys, calm down. Laroche is the guy we’re adding to the bullpen..
Packerman
July 31st, 2009
3:17 pm
We apparently got LaRoche…
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:17 pm
It’s official. Braves acquire Adam LaRoche!
jukeandjive
July 31st, 2009
3:18 pm
We get Laroche? MLBTradeRumors reporting…
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
3:18 pm
I don’t think Laroche will make much of an impact if we get him, but my wife and I love him and Renteria. We cheer for those two guys everytime we see them – it certainly wouldn’t make me cry to have him on board again.
AlabamaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:18 pm
abwright
July 31st, 2009
3:08 pm
The best switch-hitting pinch hitter option is currently playing for Gwinnett.
Taylor S
July 31st, 2009
3:19 pm
Done deal it seems … No word on who’s going to Boston.
Smoltzy
July 31st, 2009
3:19 pm
just heard on xm that the braves got laroche
UGAFan
July 31st, 2009
3:19 pm
we got roachy! i guess kotchman is out??
toga party
July 31st, 2009
3:19 pm
For the first time, I’m actually hoping I get the Away feed on MLB EI tonight.
flange1
July 31st, 2009
3:19 pm
BRAVES GOT LAROACH!
Smoltzy
July 31st, 2009
3:19 pm
why in gods name did we get another left handed bat
Edward( Bobby Retires after 2009 or Bust )
July 31st, 2009
3:19 pm
Gordon Edes: The Red Sox have traded 1B Adam LaRoche to the Braves.
http://twitter.com/bigleaguestew/status/3056265440
Andrew in P-tang
July 31st, 2009
3:19 pm
hahahahahahahaha this is funnyyyyyyyyy
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
3:20 pm
I’m guessing Boston would take on some of LaRoche’s contract if the rumors are true. They would probably view it as part of the price to get Martinez.
ship-builder1
July 31st, 2009
3:20 pm
Braves need to look into Luke Scott from the O’s
TnBrian
July 31st, 2009
3:20 pm
Marc, weird you say that your wife loves LaRoche because my girlfriend who doesn’t even pay hardly any attention to the Braves ask about LaRoche all the time. Kinda glad we got him back but what about Casey? Gonna get intersting real soon.
Jeffro
July 31st, 2009
3:20 pm
Bowman says Laroche to Boston would require Gonzo?
Renegator
July 31st, 2009
3:20 pm
Where is DOB? I thought he was blogging trade rumors today…
Mitchie-san
July 31st, 2009
3:20 pm
LaRoche? There has to be more moves coming. This alone doesnt make sense…
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:20 pm
Yankees Acquired Jerry Hairston Jr.
David O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
3:20 pm
While LaRoche does have a career OPS about 90 points higher against righties than Kotchman, it’s only slightly better than Kotchman’s this season.
And in terms of overall OPS, they are almost identical this season, LaRoche at .768 and Kotchman at .763. Laroche has twice as many homers (13) as Kotchman (6), but RBIs are almost identical (43-41) and Kotchman’s hit for a 44-point higher average for the season, .282 to .248.
And Kotchman’s hit almost 100 points higher with RISP, .313 to .218.
As a pinch-hitter, LaRoche is 12-for-55 (.218) with one homer and a .550 OPS in his career.
That said, LaRoche is a lot better than Norton, in any role. And Kotchman has had some injuries and/or sickness. Be nice not having to move Prado to 1B if Kotchman misses a few games.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
3:20 pm
The heck with LaRoche! After a double-play grounded into and ANOTHER strikeout in two consecutive games, the time has come! Norton won’t get a hit because everytime he goes to the plate, he remembers his abject futility.
Bobby Cox, you moronic, blithering idiot, CUT NORTON!!! Mike Lum at his present age NOW would be a better option off the bench. Bring Conrad up! Fans are rarely right in such matters; this is the rare instance where everyone in this blogosphere (and Atlanta, for that matter) is right – except you! Bennett is gone because he was an angry nitz. Get rid of Norton NOW!!!
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
3:20 pm
You have to think that maybe us re-acquiring LaRoche is a pre-cursor to another trade.
David O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
3:21 pm
flange1: I’d be surprised if Chipper gets suspended. Really surprised. When’s the last time you heard of a major league player being suspended for comments about umpiring or whatever? That’s rare in baseball, compared to other sports, because of the immense power of the union. Thankfully. (I like that ballplayers feel like they can say what’s on their mind sometimes in instances like this.)
Andrew in P-tang
July 31st, 2009
3:21 pm
braves trade kotchman and church to nat’s for willingham
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:21 pm
This is a good move, but came straight out of LF ~_~
Smoltzy
July 31st, 2009
3:21 pm
Can someone take the team away from Frank Wren. Why , why ,why do we have another left handed bat. Why , why ,why,
The Bird and Indian
July 31st, 2009
3:21 pm
Adam!
TnBrian
July 31st, 2009
3:22 pm
Couldn’t have been much to get him because it’s obvious Wren is picky about his players/prospects. Not even going to take a guess as to who went but I’ll bet it wasn’t much.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:22 pm
Rockies Acquire Joe Beimel
Taylor S
July 31st, 2009
3:22 pm
Who did we trade for him ?????
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:22 pm
So DOB, who’s going to BOS in return?
Smoltzy
July 31st, 2009
3:23 pm
Dave O’brien, there is no way anyone can justify the Braves getting another left handed bat. This is not acceptable.
flange1
July 31st, 2009
3:23 pm
Thanks for the response DOB.
Any chance Kotch could be traded?
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
3:23 pm
Oh, and thank you, Frank Wren, for not making any trades.
I mean that sincerely.
Mitchie-san
July 31st, 2009
3:23 pm
who did we give up????
Edward( Bobby Retires after 2009 or Bust )
July 31st, 2009
3:23 pm
Time to go get an outfielder now. Flip Kotch for something!
Renegator
July 31st, 2009
3:23 pm
There he is! (referring to DOB)
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
3:24 pm
LaRoche > Nick Johnson?
Probably not b/c Johnson could play the OF (about as well as Norton) in a pinch, but the price should be lower.
I keep thinking Casey’s going to be flipped for a reliever, even if it’s in a waiver deal. Maybe when Infante’s ready to return …
Anders
July 31st, 2009
3:24 pm
DOB- I agree completely with your 3:21. That said Chipper may want to swing at the border line strikes – at least for a while. I get the feeling he won’t be getting those calls.
Mixxo
July 31st, 2009
3:24 pm
Hoss & Roachy are homeys!
bravesgirlnc
July 31st, 2009
3:24 pm
You know Hoss is pretty pumped about this move.
Lennie G
July 31st, 2009
3:24 pm
I’m scratching my head with this Roachy deal. Kotchman must be saying WTF??
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
3:24 pm
We got Laroche cause he’s cool, knows Chinese boxing, owns a hunting company with Chipper, and has a swing that will give our announcers something to talk about the rest of the season just back off back off!
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
3:25 pm
Smoltzy,
Your guy might be available in August. If he is, however, it’s because he’s done, unfortunately.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:25 pm
Priates send Sean Smith to Blue Jays
LOL Pirates
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
3:25 pm
wow, very surprised by this one…reports are that the braves were trying hard for frasor from toronto for the pen but couldn’t match up…laroche, really?
Sonny
July 31st, 2009
3:26 pm
Adam LaRoche coming back?? Wow
Anders
July 31st, 2009
3:26 pm
Marlins out on Nick Johnson and Heath Bell. Whew!
Brooklyn Braves Brawler
July 31st, 2009
3:26 pm
Sent Kotchman to the BOSox for Roachy. I hate LaDouche
ship-builder1
July 31st, 2009
3:27 pm
We need out fielder we need to go after Luke Scott…
18 WOL
July 31st, 2009
3:27 pm
Adam makes no sense if Kotchman is still on the team. Increased payroll for about the same production and he’s a FA after this year – Kotchman is not. They have to be flipping Kotchman somewhere. WHile I like Adam, I was beginning to like Kotchman.
Mixxo
July 31st, 2009
3:27 pm
Kinda feel bad for Krotchy tho.
He’s a good guy.
Coxlover
July 31st, 2009
3:27 pm
it says on wikipedia that Casey Kotchman is a Boston Red Sock, is that true ?
P-Town Brave
July 31st, 2009
3:27 pm
I am also in the camp who just doesn’t get this unless another trade is coming soon or Boston is paying his entire salary to come remove Norton from this team…
We still need another RH hitter and a RH 8th inning guy…
Kate
July 31st, 2009
3:27 pm
baseball musings says bosox get kotchman for laroche
Coxlover
July 31st, 2009
3:28 pm
Wikipedia says the Braves traded Kotchman to the Red Sox for Adam LaRoche
David O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
3:28 pm
They are definitely talking and could be very close to getting LaRoche. Just had someone who knows tell me it’s not a bogus rumor.
Smoltzy
July 31st, 2009
3:28 pm
did we trade laroche for kotchamn? Are you kidding me!!!!!
Who is going to play first next year???
Mike Hancho
July 31st, 2009
3:28 pm
See ya Norton!
Doc
July 31st, 2009
3:28 pm
Is the LaRoche move about opening up first base for next year? Kotchman would have been under contract for another year while LaRoche becomes a free agent. Now, first base is open for a power bat or Freddie Freeman (though likely too soon for him still).
Raphy "Witch Doctor" Soriano
July 31st, 2009
3:28 pm
Is it true…. Krotchman for LaDouche? Why, I’ll give my red apple for your red apple?
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
3:28 pm
I spoke too soon! The LaRoche trade makes no sense whatsoever! There is no versatility with LaRoche, no speed, and a piteous pinch-hitter. Kotchman has played better and now he is going to the bench. Or worse, traded.
Frank Wren, you’re stupid too.
cabravesfan
July 31st, 2009
3:29 pm
Really not sure I can get on board with Adam LaRoche. I like him, always have, but it makes little sense for the team.. Casey is a better all around player then Adam and the last thing we need is another left handed bat. Unless the Sox are planning on eating a large chunk of that $7 mill, I don’t like this all that much
Coxlover
July 31st, 2009
3:29 pm
Yes, Casey Kotchman is gone. Adam LaRoche is taking his place.
Kate
July 31st, 2009
3:29 pm
who has time to update wikipedia already??
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:29 pm
DOB
Are we giving up anything good
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
3:29 pm
Rox got Joe Beimel. Dang well better not be for Seth Smith. LH or not, the guy can freakin’ play.
kelevra
July 31st, 2009
3:29 pm
dude im watching mlb network and they’ve actually spent as much time on the pirates and marlins as the sox and yanks…go figure. this is actually a really good trade deadline show
flange1
July 31st, 2009
3:29 pm
NESN is suggesting it is Kotch for Laroche.
We would have to get more than that! LaLa is a free agent after this year….
PMC
July 31st, 2009
3:29 pm
so what is it time to start stocking up on the aderol or what? I mean the guy barely had his head in the game when he was here the first time… remember through the wickets?
At least we are in the 3 months of the year he actually tends to hit well anyway.
Paul Lentz
July 31st, 2009
3:29 pm
where is the CONFIRMATION that the Braves acquired LaRoche? I havent seen anything yet to confirm this.
Jeffro
July 31st, 2009
3:29 pm
If Kotch is gone for LaRoche….I don’t know….seems like a downgrade.
Herschel Talker
July 31st, 2009
3:29 pm
Is LaRoche over Kotchman really that much of an upgrade? An upgrade, yes. But not a huge one. I would have liked to keep Kotchman and have picked up LaRoche and released Greg Norton. That would really have strengthened the team.
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
3:29 pm
we need a damn reliever and not another marginal bat!!
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:29 pm
Call up Heyward, that should be our big move
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
3:30 pm
I don’t think they traded Kotchman straight up for Laroche, that would make zero sense for reasons already sated on the blog, Wikipedia isn’t always right…
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
3:30 pm
maybe we get a reliever as well? saito? someone? anyone?
Mitchie-san
July 31st, 2009
3:30 pm
no no no, we had better not have done this deal staight up. I would rather have Kotchman if thats the case!
True Blue
July 31st, 2009
3:30 pm
it’s official: it was Gonzalez for Laroche.
The Love Child of Dale Murphy and Johnny Cash
July 31st, 2009
3:30 pm
Kotchman for LaRoche doesn’t make sense straight up. Kotchman is better and cheaper. I really hope the deal is something else.
Rick
July 31st, 2009
3:30 pm
They said on XM Radio it is Kotchman to Boston for LaRoche.
ship-builder1
July 31st, 2009
3:31 pm
makes no sense to trade Kot. for adam when Kot cheap and goin b here for couple more years till freeman ready makes no sense unless a big bat may be comin in and involves Kot. being traded
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:31 pm
I would not do a LaRoche for Kotchman deal straight up. And why would the Red Sox trade for Kotchman with V-Mart and Youkilis already on the team? This doesn’t seem to make sense for either team.
Bravosss
July 31st, 2009
3:31 pm
This is terrible
Kotch >>>>>> Defense
Even RBI’s
Even BA
Laroche slightly better in HR (20-14 in 08)
RISP – Kotch
K’s Laroche by a busload.
Terrible
tale of woe
July 31st, 2009
3:31 pm
Kotch for LaRoach – Kotch to Cleveland? More prospects to Atlanta????
keylargo
July 31st, 2009
3:31 pm
Not a word from the MLB Network on LaRoche. I hope it does not happen. Sideways move.
BravesinTN
July 31st, 2009
3:31 pm
Does anyone not think that Kotchman being error-free all seaon means something?
Cheese
July 31st, 2009
3:31 pm
I like kotchman better and he’s been playing better offensively recently and he’s lights out defensively but MLB trade rumors is reporting the braves have acquired LaRoche…for who idk?
Brooklyn Braves Brawler
July 31st, 2009
3:31 pm
They said deal is done on XM Baseball! I liked Kotchman alot, not a big fan of LaDouche at all and glad we traded him then. Oh well. I just hate the bad at-bats and that lond a$$ swing that get tied up inside.
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
3:32 pm
Maybe this is all part of some 3-way trade that’s still unraveling?
Jeffro
July 31st, 2009
3:32 pm
V-Mart is officially done deal per Heyman.
stoph
July 31st, 2009
3:32 pm
The Sox picked up Victor Martinez, that freed up LaRoche who’s returning to the Braves. Impact on the Braves in ‘09 – nada. Impact in 2010, make room for more rookies.
Bravedawg
July 31st, 2009
3:32 pm
Funny how everyone has killed Kotchman all season long, and now that he might be traded it’s armageddon around here…
Greg Olson Homers
July 31st, 2009
3:33 pm
Why would Boston trade for another 1st baseman. The whole point of moving Laroche was because they just got a first baseman and don’t need him. I am gonna wait for confirmation of the trade and pieces before I start jumping down Wren’s throat.
Coxlover
July 31st, 2009
3:33 pm
MLB Network just said LaRoche is a Brave, Kotch is a Red Sock
BravesFanInPA
July 31st, 2009
3:33 pm
Gammons just said kotch for roachy. sox feel kotch better fit on bench
THWG
July 31st, 2009
3:33 pm
How does this help either team? The Sox have like seven first basemen.
AlabamaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:33 pm
MLB Network says it looks like Kotch is out.
TnBrian
July 31st, 2009
3:33 pm
Chill people. Wren ain’t dumb umless he suddenly drank some ignorant juice over night, but I feel more to come for the Braves.
Paul Lentz
July 31st, 2009
3:33 pm
Some of you guys are unbelievable, lol. No confirmation on LaRoche being traded to the Braves. Yet many of you are commenting on it like it has already happened.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:33 pm
Jon Heyman said the with LaRoche possibly coming to Braves, Kotchman is out there.
I think Braves get LaRoche for a minor leaguer and Kotchman goes for bullpen help.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:33 pm
Martinez to BOS is official… So, LaRoche to ATL could happen, but I can not see Kotchman going back to BOS…they need him less than they need LaRoche. I would guess they might be looking for a 3rd partner to make the deal happen.
cabravesfan
July 31st, 2009
3:34 pm
Bravedawg-
Not everyone’s killed him all year- some of us actually like the guy
David O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
3:34 pm
LaRoche wouldn’t be as a backup, the rumor that made no sense given his pinch-hitting and left-handedness. They’re getting him as a starter if they get him, and it looks like they are. Kotchman would be dealt away.
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
3:34 pm
Everyone calm down. It’s not Kotchman for LaRoche. http://twitter.com/matthewpouliot/status/3056627249
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
3:34 pm
Roachy’s always been a beast with the bat in the second half. (Not this year, but you never know how fast a player will adjust to a different league).
I’ll take double-digit HR the rest of the season from our 7th place hitter, yes indeed.
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
3:34 pm
wren just confirmed kotchman and kimble for laroche
N8
July 31st, 2009
3:34 pm
This has to be a pre-curser to another deal, right? I’m not gonna fly off the handle and rip Wren for this. But, if Wren did this straight up for Kotchman for LaRoche he’s gonna have a lot of splainin’ to do. WTF?
KillerHohn
July 31st, 2009
3:34 pm
I know why Atlanta traded Kothcman. He’s been hitting lately. Scared Frank Wren slam to death.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
3:34 pm
My God, we keep Norton, we trade Kotchman for a guy with a lower BA by 40 points! – have we become the idiot franchise of the NL East, replacing the Mets all of a sudden???
kelevra
July 31st, 2009
3:35 pm
its not for kotchman, they got rid of laroach b/c they have too many firstbaseman
keylargo
July 31st, 2009
3:35 pm
MLB just said John Heyman reported LaRoche would be shipped to ATL. No details
flange1
July 31st, 2009
3:35 pm
http://www.nesn.com/2009/07/red-sox-adam-laroche-traded-to-braves-for-casey-kotchman.html?mtr
David O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
3:35 pm
I’m hearing Kotchman would go to Cleveland. But that’s not certain.
SP
July 31st, 2009
3:35 pm
Kotchman in 75 July ABs: .320 AVG, .934 OPS
Larcohe in 77 July ABs: .169 AVG, .502 OPS
Don’t expect any fires in the pressbox tonight…
Fred Claus
July 31st, 2009
3:36 pm
Seems like yet another desperation move by Wren. LaRoche is not the answer.
Wow and people say Wren has a plan. I don’t see a plan but rather a guy adrift who falls into deals over pays for players.
Can we please get a new GM.
He is batting .500 at best like his team. We can do better.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:36 pm
Has to be a three team deal or ATL already has to have something in the works for Kotchman elsewhere. I would have to assume that. Kotchman to BOS makes no sense.
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
3:36 pm
wren just on mlb tv
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:36 pm
I don’t think Kotch is going to BOS straight up. The way Jon Heyman spoke is if Adam would go to Braves and Kotch would be out there. Meaning Kotchman would be on the market.
Could trade Kotchman for relief help.
Of course, I could be wrong.
Bravedawg
July 31st, 2009
3:36 pm
cabravesfan – I’m with you. I’ve been defending him all year!
DAP
July 31st, 2009
3:36 pm
heathKotchman>LaRoche, right? Am I wrong on this?
no, i think they are pretty comparable in that the both play great defense…roachy has more power but kotchman hits for a better average.
this cant be all…either norton is gone and laroche will be forced to pinch hit or the braves have another trade planned….
you know, roachy started as a pitcher…maybe this is our bullpen help?
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
3:37 pm
Who is kimble? I hope it’s not Craig Kimbrel you’re talking about…
FaninFaytown
July 31st, 2009
3:37 pm
surely if Kotch goes to Cleveland then we are gonna get a reliever from them or something? surely?
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
3:37 pm
dob, as part of the v-mart trade or a separate trade for the braves? we getting more than laroche?
Smoltzy
July 31st, 2009
3:37 pm
Red Sox’ Adam LaRoche Traded to Braves for Casey Kotchmanby Adam Hirshfield on Jul 31, 2009 3:31:57 PM With the Red Sox pulling off the big trade for Cleveland catcher/first baseman Victor Martinez, that leaves the team with Martinez, Kevin Youkilis, Mike Lowell and recently acquired Adam LaRoche sharing time at the corner infield spots.
Now you can add Casey Kotchman in LaRoche’s place.
LaRoche, who the Red Sox picked up on July 22 from the Pirates, has been traded to the Atlanta Braves for fellow first baseman Casey Kotchman.
With Martinez and Kotchman added to the Red Sox’ lineup, there’s still a glut at the corner infield spots, meaning that another deal is likely on the horizon prior to the deadline
KotchWatch
July 31st, 2009
3:37 pm
Tommy Hanson Fan, did he say that he had lost his mind and has been admitted to a physiatric ward?
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:37 pm
Kotchman to Cleveland?
Maybe this:
BOS gets prospect from ATL
ATL gets LaRoche from BOS and Wood from CLE
CLE gets Kotchman
Chopper2Chipper
July 31st, 2009
3:37 pm
Kotch to Cleveland makes perfect sense, especially given the alleged discussions of players to be added with respect to the Sox/Cle deal. I hope that we have something else coming, however.
AlabamaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:37 pm
DOB, would the Braves be getting any prospects from the Indians?
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
3:37 pm
A nugget from Bowman: http://twitter.com/mlbbowman/status/3056696334
Wrens Right Hand
July 31st, 2009
3:37 pm
Curt
July 31st, 2009
3:04 pm
Makes sense to me, get LaRoche for a song and RELEASE Norton!!!!!!
A+ Curt
Smoltzy
July 31st, 2009
3:37 pm
that is what NESN reported
Doug
July 31st, 2009
3:37 pm
Which Red Sox reliever do we get? Saito?
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
3:38 pm
I told you guys this is the 3rd most exciting day of the season, after opening day and the last day (for teams in the race anyway). Next year let’s make it a point not to talk about crap like PEDs and such cause it ruined my mojo all day till this Laroche stuff, lol.
OklahomaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:38 pm
??????????? I’m confused! ??????????
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
3:38 pm
Fred Claus,
Get a clue, man.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:38 pm
Kimbrel is going nowhere
Paul Lentz
July 31st, 2009
3:38 pm
Still no confirmation on the rumored LaRoche trade. I’m not going to comment on it until I get some confirmation on it and learn the details. No sense in going there.
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
3:38 pm
craig kimbrel and kotchman to boston for laroche…just on mlb tv
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
3:38 pm
GET LAROACH….I’m so pumped right now…I’m NOT DOING ANY WORK FOR THE REST OF THE DAY!!!
FloridaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:38 pm
LaRoche is a big-time 2nd half player though. You have to give him that. Although Kotchman and LaRoche are similar players, I think LaRoche gives the Braves a boost in power, something they sorely need.
I also don’t think LaRoche being a FA at the end of the year is that big of a deal. He loves Atlanta, I could see him re-signing here.
I understand it from both sides, although I’d like it better for the Braves if the Sox ate some of LaRoche’s salary this year or threw a low-level prospect at us.
tale of woe
July 31st, 2009
3:38 pm
That is what I said DOB…I am better than the rumor mill!
Jeffro
July 31st, 2009
3:38 pm
I’m sorry I just think this is a stupid trade. I’ve said before….we should do nothing to screw with the offensive chemistry we have had going. First KJ comes up and since that point offense has struggled…..I know on the bench but still….then LaRoche? This is retarded.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
3:38 pm
Send Wren and Cox to the state of Texas. They still give the criminally retarded the electric chair over there.
John
July 31st, 2009
3:39 pm
Apparently…My Boy…Kelly Johnson….is still hangin’ on…”run…clock…run”
BravesFanInPA
July 31st, 2009
3:39 pm
does this mean tonights line up could be:
mcclouth cf
kj 2b
c jones 3b
mccann c
loaf lf
diaz rf
norton 1b
hernandez ss
hanson sp
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
3:39 pm
Rob from SC,
I hope you’re right. He’s been striking out batters like no other.
timthebrave
July 31st, 2009
3:39 pm
This trade makes no sense. Another left handed hitting first baseman. Don’t do it
Daniel
July 31st, 2009
3:39 pm
wow- this really doesn’t make any sense from the Braves perspective at this point. I really hope we didn’t just trade Kotchman for LaRoche straight up.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:40 pm
Cleveland has Relievers
Rafael Perez – L
Joe Smith – R
Kerry Wood expensive
Anders
July 31st, 2009
3:40 pm
Rolen to the Reds. Who cares?
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
3:40 pm
Kimbrel has to mean we’re getting something from Cleveland …
The rumor all along was that it would take a third team to make the V-Mart deal happen. I never imagined the third team would be the Braves.
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
3:40 pm
mlb tv just reported that we sent laroche and schafer to red for votto
Jeffro
July 31st, 2009
3:40 pm
Rolen to Reds? Hmm.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:40 pm
Frank Wren is no dummy
OklahomaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:41 pm
Wren has been spectacular but………………I don’t get this. More power but more K’s. Also I think Kotchman is spectacular in the field but, why is he so indecisive on plays at the bag.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:41 pm
BravesFanInPA -
Prado said he thinks he’ll be ready today when asked last night. If a deal does actually go down, Prado may may 1st tonight and KJ at second with no other roster changes.
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
3:41 pm
we have to be getting another piece, right? i mean, we have to…
KotchWatch
July 31st, 2009
3:41 pm
I’d take one of the Red Sox relievers, but not any of the Indians. It reminds me too much of Bob Wickman.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:41 pm
tommy hanson fan
It is people like you who bring down this board
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
3:41 pm
Adam LaRoche career 1st half: .252/.326/.447 3.5 HR%
Adam LaRoche career 2nd half: .295/.356/.544 5.1 HR%
DAP
July 31st, 2009
3:41 pm
i love all the knee jerk reactions about how wren is an idiot. just let it play out guys. its very obvious we dont have all the info yet.
Sir Stealth
July 31st, 2009
3:41 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT LaDOUCHE NOOOOOOOOO
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
3:42 pm
Rosenthal…confirms…LaRoach deal
Geo123
July 31st, 2009
3:42 pm
Heath,
Atlanta doesn’t have the money to do that…
AlabamaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:42 pm
Please tell me Norton will be gone after today!
Luke H.
July 31st, 2009
3:42 pm
The deal sure frees up money for next season. Marginal difference between the players but this will give us some cash to spend in the off-season as LaRoche will be off the books. Also he is best of friends with Nate McLouth which can only be good for the clubhouse. Plus, LaRoche surely has more upside even though his numbers might not be as great… remember he DID hit 32 homers once.
Also, Steve from Nova Scotia. Where are you from in NS?
Anders
July 31st, 2009
3:42 pm
17 minutes 40 seconds. Loving the MLB Network!
OklahomaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:42 pm
MiamiBeach, Wren should be considered for GM of the year. Do you remember who was pitching for us this time last year?
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:43 pm
Getting LaRoche only makes sense if we can get something useful for Casey Kotchman
Brooklyn Braves Brawler
July 31st, 2009
3:43 pm
What a dumba$$ trade. Kotchman is a consistent hitting Mark Grace-type 1B and we get the terets having, long swing taking, slow running Adam LaDouche.
Geez
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:43 pm
Geo123 -
Could be cash considerations involved to make it go through.
nemov
July 31st, 2009
3:43 pm
My favorite LaRoche memory is him getting beat to first base on a routine ground ball.
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
3:43 pm
Nova Scotia Steve,
No he didn’t. Just said they’re discussing it.
TennesseePaul
July 31st, 2009
3:43 pm
Is Ken’s report true?? I’m on page one. But I’m scanning through now.
Bob Wickman
July 31st, 2009
3:43 pm
KotchWatch
July 31st, 2009
3:41 pm
I’d take one of the Red Sox relievers, but not any of the Indians. It reminds me too much of Bob Wickman.
I resent that
John
July 31st, 2009
3:43 pm
AB
If Norton is not gone…soon !!…I fear Paul’s head may explode…all over this site.
Shawn
July 31st, 2009
3:43 pm
XM radio reporting–Votto to Braves for LaRoche/Schafer! Great deal Wren!
Chris from the Rock
July 31st, 2009
3:44 pm
The madness!!!
ship-builder1
July 31st, 2009
3:44 pm
Martinez to BOS not a 3-team deal it has already be confirmed and braves not in the deal.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:44 pm
I would say we gave Boston a decent prospect that we don’t care about.
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
3:44 pm
john heyman just reported that we sent votto and vaz to texas for cruz and feliz
FaninFaytown
July 31st, 2009
3:44 pm
ok kids we obviously dont know whats really happening so lets all be quite with our griping until we know for sure
Mike
July 31st, 2009
3:44 pm
Gammons saying it’s a straight up trade – Laroche for Kotchman
Daniel
July 31st, 2009
3:44 pm
tommy hanson fan- are you lying?
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
3:44 pm
This is a shocker if true, but no, Wren is no dummy, there’s more to this than Kotch for Lorache, bet on it. And there’s some truth to it if DOB’s sources agree and Ken Rosenthal + 20 other outlets are talking about it.
True Blue
July 31st, 2009
3:44 pm
Who’s votto?
Chris from the Rock
July 31st, 2009
3:44 pm
I say LaRoche is an upgrade..his defense is certainly inferior. But remember, he’s always been a second half hitter.
Crazy Trades McGee
July 31st, 2009
3:44 pm
Julio Teheran:
(written by Kevin Goldstein)
Julio Teheran, RHP, Braves (short-season Danville)
Thursday’s stats: 8 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 11 K
Teheran has been much-hyped since the Braves signed the Colombian product for $850,000 two years ago, but some seem to be disappointed because he’s still in the Appalachian League. Keep in mind that he’s only 18 years old, as his stuff is still borderline outstanding with plus-plus velocity and about as good a changeup as you find in a teenager. There’s really no change in his outlook, and he’s still ahead of schedule.
AndyC
July 31st, 2009
3:44 pm
I am not a huge Kotchman fan but this seems like a slight downgrade with the acqusition of LaRoche. I hope this is not the only move….
THWG
July 31st, 2009
3:45 pm
I’m assuming there’s more to this deal than simply Kotch for LaRoche. Makes no sense unless we’re flipping Kotch elsewhere for a reliever or something.
Daniel
July 31st, 2009
3:45 pm
ok- obviously you are. that is uncool.
driver8
July 31st, 2009
3:45 pm
According to 680the fan the deal is official per the Boston Globe. I guess Adam is back as a Brave.
Kevin in Chatty
July 31st, 2009
3:45 pm
IF WE GET VOTTO, WREN HAS HIT A COMPLETE HOME RUN.
Chopper2Chipper
July 31st, 2009
3:45 pm
This is awesome! This is one of my favorite (and least productive) days of the year.
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
3:45 pm
why do you crack heads have to post such nonsense? man, that’s annoying…
OklahomaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:45 pm
Do you also remember the 3 times in the last month when Casey doesn’t know when to cover the bag, toss to the pitcher, or beat the runner out.
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
3:45 pm
Crazy Trades McGee,
That’s the 2nd time in 3 outings that the Cartagena Kid has gone 8 innings.
AlabamaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:45 pm
Shawn
July 31st, 2009
3:43 pm
Dude just stop
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:46 pm
ESPN website now saying straight up swap between BOS and ATL 1Bers.
ChurchMan
July 31st, 2009
3:46 pm
If Kotchman to Boston is true .. the Red Sox sure are stacking up on first basemen.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:46 pm
Votto is going nowhere
Anders
July 31st, 2009
3:46 pm
Rockies get ?????
MFin04
July 31st, 2009
3:46 pm
Interesting to see all these rumors. I’ve been hearing LaRoche for Kotchman…if that’s the only move…it’s a horrible move…if its a series of moves…might be a good idea…we shall see.
Matt
July 31st, 2009
3:46 pm
Braves just got LaRoche for Kotchman, HORRIBLE TRADE!!!!!
Glen W
July 31st, 2009
3:46 pm
i am pretty sure tommy hanson fan had his toungue in cheek. But I just heard we sent cruz and feliz to the orioles for huff and scott.
Matt
July 31st, 2009
3:47 pm
Lose his great glove for a guy who hits .250………………..
OklahomaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:47 pm
the blog has officially gone bananas
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
3:47 pm
no im not
stamper
July 31st, 2009
3:47 pm
everyone needs to stop being douchey. like now.
tale of woe
July 31st, 2009
3:47 pm
LOL – We aint getting Votto…
The deal is done…Adam is back…Wren is an idiot if we didnt get more for Kotchman unless we want Freeman up here
MFin04
July 31st, 2009
3:47 pm
Apparently Chipper wasn’t happy with Casey K’s hunting abilities?
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
3:47 pm
Makes no sense. I hate the move.
Kotchman 2009 RAR: 8.9.
LaRoche 2009 RAR: 4.5
Dumbfound
July 31st, 2009
3:47 pm
Boston officals confirms Adam Laroche for Kotchman straight up ! This is the Boston people confirming !!
Brooklyn Braves Brawler
July 31st, 2009
3:47 pm
There is now way there is a Votto deal going down. Roachy sucks, KJ sucks and Norty is still here. Geez!
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:47 pm
I not skeptical of this trade if it is just straight up Kotchman for LaRoche.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:48 pm
I love Frank Wren, but if it is Kotchman straight up for LaRoche is doesn’t make sense unless Kotchman has issues in the clubhouse
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
3:48 pm
done deal cruz and feliz are braves per rosenthal
Geo123
July 31st, 2009
3:48 pm
Heath,
For LaRoche and Wood? You’re talking a ton of money. LaRoches is owed about 2.5 million for the rest of this year and Wood is signed for next year also at 10.5 million!! The Indians are trying to get rid of payroll they aren’t going to pay for him to go away. Wood is owed about 13 to 14 million for this year and next…
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
3:48 pm
I’m dizzy
OklahomaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:48 pm
I say we send shawn and robert to xm for billy ripken
toga party
July 31st, 2009
3:48 pm
Odd, this doesn’t feel like “standing pat”.
Dr Hoo
July 31st, 2009
3:48 pm
Can’t be straight up LaRoche for Kotchman…has to be something else going on. We couldn’t possibly do a trade that made us worse on offense, worse on defense, and gave us a much higher payroll.
AndyC
July 31st, 2009
3:49 pm
DOB
I’m scared. Make the crazy people stop!
ChurchMan
July 31st, 2009
3:49 pm
I’ll be curious to see how Wren sees LaRoche as an upgrade over Kotchman, how they got better instead of going sideways
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:49 pm
Oops…meant to say I am skeptical if it is straight up.
Good Grief
July 31st, 2009
3:49 pm
Adam Laroche = Casey Kotchman although both do something just a tad better than the other. Adam will add a bit more power into the line up whereas Casey is a better contact hitter. I think defensively there is no drop off…
Anders
July 31st, 2009
3:49 pm
Could be all that Kotchman would rather still be on the Angels talk from earlier this year caught up with him?
Tony Almeida
July 31st, 2009
3:49 pm
Loaf won’t have anybody to talk to anymore
The Bird and Indian
July 31st, 2009
3:49 pm
Everyone just chill until everything is done.
Tennessee Brave
July 31st, 2009
3:49 pm
Votto to Braves confirmed boys-be patient!!!! Good move Wren!
OklahomaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:50 pm
Nova Scotia, I’ve just thrown up on myself. al;kfyauie6r8e3r4y6 3p2io;qnhj;
ship-builder1
July 31st, 2009
3:50 pm
Wren has really messed up if this is only trade he would make today to trade good solid cheap Kot. for struggling Adam.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:50 pm
Flurry of trades in the last 30 minutes….sheesh.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:50 pm
This does give us money to play with next year.
I wonder what the whole trade is.
Brooklyn Braves Brawler
July 31st, 2009
3:50 pm
This is such a stupid deal, words can’t describe it. Adam is not a cleanup hitter of any substance. He’s not a real good hitter period!
Chopper2Chipper
July 31st, 2009
3:50 pm
Votto confirmed where?
The Bird and Indian
July 31st, 2009
3:50 pm
I just saw Votto possibly? I didn’t think it was possible.
THWG
July 31st, 2009
3:50 pm
Another source reporting it’s a straight swap. This is just silly.
True Blue
July 31st, 2009
3:51 pm
lol you’re right. I never thought of that. Loaf is going to be a loaner.
Paul Lentz
July 31st, 2009
3:51 pm
It would be wise for you guys to just be a little patient on getting the details from this rumored LaRoche deal. Frank Wren has shown that he is a pretty astute GM. No sense in panicking until the rumored details are released.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:51 pm
So, if it is a straight up trade…do they put LaRoche in the 4-hole and move McCann and Esco to the 5th and 6th spot permanently?
tale of woe
July 31st, 2009
3:51 pm
LMAO – Stop the Votto stuff….
Mixxo
July 31st, 2009
3:51 pm
9:00 left and My Head Is Spinning !!!!!
Mitchie-san
July 31st, 2009
3:51 pm
“We couldn’t possibly do a trade that made us worse on offense, worse on defense, and gave us a much higher payroll.”
—Exactly! Theres got to be more…
Dumbfound
July 31st, 2009
3:51 pm
By Kotchman getting traded for Adam Laroache straight up, You know what this means people !! Greg Norton is still on this Damn team !!!!!!!!!!!!!
FaninFaytown
July 31st, 2009
3:51 pm
straight up? lol wow
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:51 pm
LaRoche for Kotchman straight up.
nfieldr
July 31st, 2009
3:51 pm
Wonder if Kotch for LaRoche is strictly one for one, if Kotch’s clubhouse presence played any part in decision
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:52 pm
MLB Network says trade is straight up now too.
VP
July 31st, 2009
3:52 pm
According to Steve Phillips this is a straight up deal for Laroche.
David O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
3:52 pm
Canizares called up to play 1B tonight, I’m told. not announced yet.
tale of woe
July 31st, 2009
3:52 pm
MLB Network is confused on the trade…Straight up trade…WEIRD…Don’t Like it
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
3:52 pm
tommy hanson fan’s pulling everybody’s chain. Unless he isn’t.
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
3:52 pm
Every source so far says that it’s a Kotch for Lorache straight up trade… So now the question, who’s the source that’s feeding all these people? Another thing I hate is all of them talk about the Red Sox doing this cause it’s convenient for them, like all the other teams other than the Yanks just do what they say or something, lol.
Dominic
July 31st, 2009
3:52 pm
I heard from a guy that we flipped Laroche for Pujols and Holliday. That gives us some right handed pop. Awesome!!!
ship-builder1
July 31st, 2009
3:52 pm
Adam for Kot straight up trade confirmed and MLB TV is very confused for both sides
NO MORE BOBBY
July 31st, 2009
3:52 pm
Would love to have another McGriff type guy at 1B again.
BravesFanInPA
July 31st, 2009
3:52 pm
steve phillips luvs the move for braves
Anders
July 31st, 2009
3:52 pm
Phillips likes the deal too. That’s good enough for me – no damage done to my Mets {:
BUZZMEAT
July 31st, 2009
3:52 pm
UMMM Larouche is a FA next year, Who plays 1st next year???? Prado?
Good Grief
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
They should have threw Kelly Johnson in as well
kayne
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
MLB Network just reported it…Kotchman for LaRoche. That is all.
Alex
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
LaRoche? really?
The Bird and Indian
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
I figured Canizares would play today. Wren made sure Cox couldn’t start Gregory at first.
Bravosss
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
OklahomaBrave – You’re beings sarcastic about Kotch’s d right? I mean, you know, him being the best defensive 1B in the MLB (maybe even with Tex) I hope so..
Chop Chop
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
There’s a definite defensive drop-off between Kotchman and LaRoche. LaRoche hasn’t fielded well the last two seasons.
I don’t care much for Kotchman or LaRoche, though.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
OK Brave: signing D. Lowe was a result of not signing AJ Burnett and Smoltz – pure luck and the jury is still out for the next three years on Lowe. Kenshin K. has been a bust for the money shelled out. The Vasquez trade was his shining moment. Furcal non-signing – pure luck. Hanson was a no-brainer. Not getting Peavy – dumb luck, thanks to the Padres’ greed. Now Wren trades Kotchman, a contact hitter who takes pitches and was part of the good chemistry this lineup has had recently, for a guy who has average power and strikes out like a mini Adam Dunn.
Uh, yeah, sure, whatever. He was moron, despite himself in December.
Now, he’s just a moron.
OklahomaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
I bet Votto is dizzy too.
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
braves sent vasquez to boston for bucholtz and masterson per heyman
Raphy "Witch Doctor" Soriano
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
BULA BULA BULA!
DOB's Mom
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
Laroche for Kotchman straight up. Hmm, I guess Chipper and Nate get their buddy back.
nemov
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
Maybe we’re to put LaRouche in a time machine and trade him to the Red Sox for Babe Ruth. That’s actually more likley that the Votto stuff.
KotchWatch
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
Old, stinky Braves never really go away, they just keep coming back. This is Greg Colbrunn Part II.
VP
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
Meanwhile, sources tell ESPN’s Peter Gammons that Boston has spun off first baseman Adam LaRoche in a trade to his former team, the Atlanta Braves. LaRoche will return to Atlanta in exchange for first baseman Casey Kotchman. The Red Sox reportedly view Kotchman as a better fit in a bench role, and the Braves are looking for more offense in LaRoche. He would have filled only a very limited role had LaRoche remained in Boston after the acquisition of Martinez.
N8
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
DOB is mysteriously absent in recent minutes. Something else is brewing.
Glen W
July 31st, 2009
3:53 pm
Now Rosenthal says that the Pads and Dodgers are working on a deal involving Gonzlaez. To the Dodgers? Are you kidding me. They really don’t care about their fans…
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:54 pm
Even MLB Network saying this is the strangest deal of the day….as it stands.
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
3:54 pm
Whether you think this trade is a good idea or not, we’re forgetting the important factor –
Greg Norton is starting tonight
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:54 pm
MLBN Guys saying trading for Kotchman could be a prelude to a deal for A-Gon for Red Sox.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
3:54 pm
OK, straight up makes sense. We still have to get rid of Norton, however.
Bravosss
July 31st, 2009
3:54 pm
“steve phillips luvs the move for braves”
There’s the proof, it’s an absolute loser.
ChurchMan
July 31st, 2009
3:54 pm
I hate it when you trade a player one year and come back and try to get them a few years later.
You traded them for a reason, at least stick with your decision
tale of woe
July 31st, 2009
3:54 pm
Norton DFA
annoying
July 31st, 2009
3:54 pm
tommy hanson fan stfu already
The Bird and Indian
July 31st, 2009
3:54 pm
A few days ago everyone talked about how Kotch wasn’t powerful enough and didn’t give us any offense and now we trade for a productive second half player with pop and everyone is mad??
TennesseePaul
July 31st, 2009
3:54 pm
I don’t like this deal. Not very much at all.
Neftali Feliz, Matt Harrison, Elvis Andrus, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Beau Jones –>Ron Mahay, Mark Teixeira –> Casey Kotchman, Steve Marek –>Adam LaRoche.
On the flip side, now it is as if Mike Gonzalez was acquired for Brent Lillibridge.
My “favorite” memory of Adam LaRoche: I attended a Dodgers/Braves game (how fitting). Adam hit a Grand Slam to put the Braves up in the top of the inning. Bottom of the inning Adam misfields a ball. Then a walk. Then Adam “fields” another ball on the infield and stands there and looks at the fans and the grass while every one advances safely to their base to load them up. Meltdown Bradely hits a grand slam to put the Dodgers up. Dodgers win. Adam LaChoke is still standing there day dreaming.
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
3:54 pm
thats one helluva talent young staff….JJ..hanson..feliz..bucholtz…wow
True Blue
July 31st, 2009
3:54 pm
Braves Got bucholtz for vasquez per bowman
David O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
3:54 pm
Kotch for Roch, done deal. straight up
beachcomber
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
Enter your comments here
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
jeffery d
Canizares will play 1B tonight.
TnBrian
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
but…wait…huh? WOW, GREAT TRADE! This sucks! FIRE WREN! Great move Wren, you hit a homer! I’m confused, dizzy and have diarreah! I feel GREAT!
This place is bad for my health and I’m 27 for Christ Sakes!
OklahomaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
Bravooss, I believe nothing hit to Kotch get’s passed him but he’s looked confused on a couple of plays including last night on where he should be. That being said Kotchmans D >>>>> Laroche
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
How much longer is LaRoche under contract?
VP
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
Tommyhansonfan,
Get off that medication man.
BravesinTN
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
IF it’s a straight up trade, seems to me they’ll either go FA for 2010 at 1B or it’s Freeman’s turn. This might be a “stand-pat” move (most think this is a lateral move?) and more of a move for 2010. Anybody know any 1B free agents next year?
kelevra
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
i dont know if it has been mentioned but laroche is a big time second half player
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
oops, nevermind…just saw DOB’s post
BUZZMEAT
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
Canizares at 1b? is this one day or do we finally cut Norton???
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
No, BUZZMEAT, Bobby will make sure Norton starts at 1B next year.
ChurchMan
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
DOB is mysteriously absent in recent minutes. Something else is brewing.
lol, I don’t think a one minute break qualifies as something else brewing. Unless you expect him to post every minute on the minute.
tale of woe
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
Adam could NEVER hit lefties…I really don’t like the trade the more I think about it….
Chris from the Rock
July 31st, 2009
3:55 pm
Rolen to the Reds? That’s a head scratcher.
lexbrave
July 31st, 2009
3:56 pm
what an f’n stupid trade for Wren, thought he was doing some great things in atlanta..but this one ..wow…just stupid
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:56 pm
Norton DFA for Canizares?
KotchWatch
July 31st, 2009
3:56 pm
OK, you Braves fans who wanted a big bat. There you go. Are you picking up on the sarcasm?
VP
July 31st, 2009
3:56 pm
Laroche is a FA at the end of the year.
Pete Orr
July 31st, 2009
3:56 pm
FML
LaRoche??? Really??? Dumb trade
OklahomaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:56 pm
TnBrian, LMFAO!!!
Biff Pocoroba
July 31st, 2009
3:56 pm
Mr. EMotion Adam LaRoche on his way back … lord help us
keylargo
July 31st, 2009
3:56 pm
Kotchman will leave with one Braves record. 126 games and zero errors.
John
July 31st, 2009
3:56 pm
Hold on Kelly…Hold on My Boy !!
nolarw
July 31st, 2009
3:56 pm
just heard kotchman was traded ?
tale of woe
July 31st, 2009
3:56 pm
MLB updating trade NOW
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
LaRoche has more power, but is not as good as a contact hitter. Kotchman is a little better defensively too. The only thing that I can think is that, as another blogger mentioned, maybe this appeases Chipper and McLouth who are currently under performing.
AlabamaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
DOB, does Wren think he will be able to resign LaRoche after this season? Adam is a FA after this season right?
Braves
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
We just did the worst trade ever!
MFin04
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
LaRoche has a same OBP and 20-30 homers a year, while Casey K is 10-15
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
braves are freeing up money to sign albert after 2010
Jake W.
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
Guess we weren’t standing pat, kotchman seemed to be heating up, liked the glove. I don’t get it, I guess they are counting on LaRoche’s big 2nd half. Only reason I can figure.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
LaRoche does have more pop in his bat, the guy has 13 homers on the year.
Homer
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
FIRE DOB!!!
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
According to Bill Shanks, Kotchman was a A****** in the clubhouse
Bravosss
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
OklahomaBrave – Ok, but what about all the diving stops, in the gap and preventing doubles down the line. Bailing out Esco and Chipper constantly….
Shaun
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
The Reds trade a younger, good thirdbaseman AND a minor leaguer for Scott Rolen. How does that make any sense for the Reds?
tmac
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
Not crazy about LaRoche, but he’s better than Kotchman. Man, that guy is very replaceable at a power position. I think it improves the team.
Kevin in Chatty
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
The only reason I could see this trade making sense is if they plan to platoon Infante and Laroche when Infante comes back…of course, Kotch was a lefty too so I really have no idea.
OklahomaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
Pete Orr, what have you been up to these days?
Threadkiller
July 31st, 2009
3:57 pm
Well, Good Luck to Casey!! Now he has a shot to get a ring!!
Dr Hoo
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
LaRoche is 7m, one year, through arbitration, Kotch was almost 3m, one year, also through arbitration. LaRoche FA at end of year, I think Kotch still arb eligible? We just acquired salary for a worse hitter and worse defender?
Hillbilly
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
OklahomaBrave — “I bet Votto is dizzy too.
Should I feel guilty for laughing my @$$ off at this one?
VP
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
What’s up with these rumors about Vazquez to Boston also?
Heath
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
Marlins do go ahead and get Nick Johnson from the Nationals.
njbraves
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
Dumb trade. La Roche sucks, always has.
Wrens Right Hand
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
I got more coming guys
AlabamaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:56 pm
We can only hope.
THWG
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
This is pretty silly. Not gonna lie.
Rob in Fayetteville
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
If all the Braves get is Roachy in this, then it is indeed a head scratcher…..you don’t disrupt the kind of chemistry the Braves created in the past month unless there’s something that really improves the club. It’s the Braves’ loss, in my opinion, if this Kotchman for Roachy trade goes through. This only gives the Braves another high strikeout, occasional power guy, when we had a Gold Glove caliber 1B who makes good contact, and was beginning to show some pop as well…..
FaninFaytown
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
Honestly, regardless of stats or anything else… i HATE watching laroche hit lol
HeywardTheFuture
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
Kotch killed us.
Good job Frank!
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
LOL at homer coming in with his usual “Fire DOB”.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
If this means Freddie Freeman maybe up next year, it’s a good deal. Plus it gives Braves extra cash, since LaRoche is a FA after this year.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
Bill Shanks said that the Braves would have considered non-tendering Kotchman in the off season. Not a happy camper in the clubhouse
The_Superhoo
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
Braves trade kotch to sox for Roach
Ugh. Way to go wren. Horrible move
chris from md
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
DOB,
I doubt you remember this, but I suggested this very trade a few weeks ago when LaRoche was a Pirate. You said the same thing you said today– no real improvement. But the potential power numbers make me like the move. I don’t love it but Rochy did hit 32 homeruns in ‘06. Kotchman’s high is what– 14? Surprised by the Kotchman love.
Chris from MD
Bravosss
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
John @ 3:56. I’m with ya, man! lol 2 mins…
nemov
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
I never liked LaRoche. I was happy when he left. The fact we just aquired him for Kotch tells me all I need to know about this lineup.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
3:58 pm
ok just got back from the bathroom…
I took my A-D-D pills…
What happened???
lol….8O
Renegator
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
This deal makes ABSOLUTELY no sense unless Kotchman was in Donk’s doghouse.
TennesseePaul
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
“You traded them for a reason”
To acquire a player mostly. Sometimes, as in the case of Ryan Church’s exit from NY, it was to remove a player.
I don’t think Adam was ever traded by the Braves so the team could get rid of him. He was traded at his peak value. After the best season he’d had in his career. In return the Braves got what was, at the time, a hard throwing left-handed closer on a saves streak to shore up what was, at the time, one of the worst bullpens in the majors.
Chop Chop
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
At least Roachy is a good right-handed bat.
Oh.
Cactus Jack
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
ROACHY!!!!!!!
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
So we just downgraded defensively, added a question mark offensively, and added about $4 million in salary? Awesome.
richbrave
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
tmac:
Couldn’t disagree more.
timthebrave
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
I’m pissed. What a terrible deal
Andrew in CT
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
How is Roachy’s ADD these days? There better be a two month prescription of adderall coming back from Boston
Jeff321
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
I don’t like this LaRoche trade one bit.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
Wow mlb network says Yankees gave up Austin Jackson for Hairston. What a amazing trade for the Reds
OklahomaBrave
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
Bravooss, like I said I think he has been tremendous at 1st. If you wan’t me to I will say he’s the best defensive player to ever lace em up. Just confused sometimes.
18 WOL
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
I don’t agree with the move.
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
don’t understand this move at all. but, luckily for the braves, frank wren is a heck of a lot smarter than i am.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
So we traded Adam LaRoche and Brett Lillibridge for Mike Gonzalez and then traded Brett Lillibridge for Javy Vazquez and then swapped Casey Kotchman for LaRoche.
So we traded Lillibridge and Kotchman for Gonzo and Vazquez? Cool.
(Yes, I know it’s more complicated than that, but still …)
Tavis
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
DOB or Carroll, is there a clubhouse reason behind this move. I know Chipper and McClouth loves LaRoche, but was there an issue with Kotchman? Did he ever fit in this clubhouse setting?
Does this move open up (or prove the ease of) Freeman at 1B and Heyward at RF?
This is a very unique move that’s for sure.
JerseyBraves
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
so, now we have just traded for a guy who is not a very good 1b, isn’t hitting over .250, just so we could get 7 more home runs and 2 LESS RBIs. No improvement, so why make this deal?
VaBraveFan
July 31st, 2009
3:59 pm
LaRoach might play better since its a fresh start back with his original team. He will supply more power than Kotchman but our defense will be worse….. Kinda confusing how it was st8 up we could have got a prospect as well or somthing, Kotchman is under team control for 2 more years…… And Kotchman has been playing great
nemov
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
everyone is baffled about this – http://www.nesn.com/video.html?videoId=6542
wheelz007
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
Have no clue why we made this deal.
No idea!
TennesseePaul
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
Wren’s got one minute to flip LoChoke for Ryan Braun.
I think he can do it.
Cheese
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
Noooooo! not Kotchman!!!!!
Chris from the Rock
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
I know this is off the subject, but has anyone noticed what Nunez is doing in AAA? His ERA is around 2.00. Time to call him up.
Lunatic Fringe
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
With all these trades going down, I bet there will be a lot of empty benches tonight!
I also am not agreeing with the LaRoche for CK straight up. Not much upgrade if any. The only reason I can see is to free up money for next year.
dmack2027
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
How does that move make sense at all for the Braves, if they did not get any prospects back?
Laroche is a free agent after this year. Kotch is cheaper, and under control for several more years.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
To me, LaRoche back to ATL is not a Wren move..that is a Bobby move.
KotchWatch
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
Braves flip LaRoche, Cole Rohrbough and Jordan Schafer to Cincinatti for Joey Votto? Seriously, Votto is the centerpiece of the Reds team. On the Vazquez to Boston rumor or made up romor, hogwash.
Real Deal
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
Just saw on MLB Network that the Braves sent Mike Gonzalez and James Parr to the Brewers for JJ Hardy.
TennesseePaul
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
Damn. It’s too late.
John
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
Trade good or bad ? Very close…deciding factor…who is faster?? I gotta go with… Tha Roach…
Brooklyn Braves Brawler
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
Larouche has q split personality and cant hit inside fastballs, he can’t go oppo. field and he is a downgrade defensively plus he is pricey. Ijust don’t get the reason for doing this unless it is to make Chipper and B-Mac happy!
DAP
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
kotchman for laroche doesnt make sense for either team. that cant be it.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
2:56pm: FOX Sports says the Blue Jays will get Edwin Encarnacion and a minor leaguer. Rolen is expected to approve the deal.
ChurchMan
July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm
Maybe LaRoche will be a slight upgrade on offense, hard to tell right now. He’s a Brave now, so we have to hope for the best
ship-builder1
July 31st, 2009
4:01 pm
Laroche is not an upgrade at anything when you have Kot. hitting like the way he has latly and you cant get anybetter than Kot. on Defense
Mitchie-san
July 31st, 2009
4:01 pm
Well theres our new clean up hitter…
bravos2249
July 31st, 2009
4:01 pm
Did the Braves really just trade for LaRoche…..!!!!!!!
TDub
July 31st, 2009
4:01 pm
Thirty minutes ago my universe was in perfect order.
OklahomaBrave
July 31st, 2009
4:01 pm
Wren knows what he’s doing. Probably a squash either way you look at it. He comes off the books at years end and frees up more payroll.
FaninFaytown
July 31st, 2009
4:01 pm
It makes more sense if, indeed, Kotch was not a good clubhouse guy but I guess thats a little surprising to me. Still hope the Sox pick up some of that contract.
David O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
4:01 pm
By David O’Brien
dobrien@ajc.com
A trade-deadline surprise: Adam LaRoche is back with the Braves.
The Braves traded for their once-and-again first baseman on Friday, opening a spot for him by sending Casey Kotchman to Boston in a swap of smooth-fielding first basemen that gives the Braves improved power at that position.
LaRoche, who’s eligible for free agency after this season, has hit a career-low .248 with 13 homers and 43 RBIs in 93 games, including 87 games for Pittsburgh before being traded to the Red Sox on July 22 for two minor-league prospects.
Kotchman has been on a hot streak lately that’s raised his average to .282 with 41 RBIs, but he still has only six homers, and Braves first basemen are tied for last in the National League with seven homers. Their .401 slugging percentage is better than only Arizona’s first basemen (.390).
In LaRoche, the Braves get a slick-fielding left-hander who came up in the Braves organization and played his first three seasons for Atlanta from 2004 to 2006. His best season was 2006, when he hit .285 with 32 homers, 90 RBIs and a .915 on-base plus slugging percentage (OPS).
LaRoche, 29, has hit 20 or more homers in four consecutive seasons, and totaled 46 homers with 173 RBIs for the Pirates during the 2007-2008 seasons. He’s making $7.05 million and is eligible for free agency once more before potential free agency after the 2010 season.
The Braves brought up Barbaro Canizares from Class AAA Gwinnett to play first base in Friday night’s series opener against the Dodgers.
VP
July 31st, 2009
4:01 pm
Halladay to the Angels according to Jayson Stark.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
4:01 pm
dmack2027
July 31st, 2009
4:01 pm
This after trading Tex for Kotch, the reason being we have a cheap first baseman under control for several years to bridge the gap to Freeman.
Wren in Doubt
July 31st, 2009
4:01 pm
Horrible. Simply horrible.
richbrave
July 31st, 2009
4:01 pm
LaROCHE hit 32 homers while highly sedated. His ADD disorder really limits his natural talent severely.
Drew
July 31st, 2009
4:02 pm
LaRoche is loved in every clubhouse. I don’t get this from a pure stat acquisition but as a clubhouse/comoradory I do understand it. He does put up good numbers in the 2nd half but we’ll see if that happens again. A little more power but definitely more K’s and I swear I may break something if I have to see him go through another “weak groundball to 2nd” streak again.
Cactus Jack
July 31st, 2009
4:02 pm
Frank needs to DFA Norton and Keep Barbaro on the team
Doug
July 31st, 2009
4:02 pm
Other than home runs, what is LaRoche better than Kotchman at? What happened to “standing pat”?
I guess we’ll see a lot of Martinez at catcher and Kotchman at first for the Red Sox. They sure have had a good day.
ChurchMan
July 31st, 2009
4:02 pm
Heath
To me, LaRoche back to ATL is not a Wren move..that is a Bobby move
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I would at least hope Wren had most of the input in the deal. Otherwise what’s the point of having him in that position if Bobby is going to be doing most of the work anways?
timthebrave
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
WHY???? The Braves actually are willing to pay more money to get worse at fielding and worse at hitting. This is so we can have Norton play first base isn’t it?
John
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
So…we’ll have Barbarino Canizares at 1B tonight ??
Jeff321
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
Bill Shanks said that the Braves would have considered non-tendering Kotchman in the off season. Not a happy camper in the clubhouse
Translation: – This one has Bobby Cox written all over it. Only problem is, WTF does clubhouse etiquette have to do with winning the World Series?
AlabamaBrave
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
Marlins got Nick Johnson apparently.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
No, its more like we traded Mark Teixeira for Adam LaRoche.
Josh
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
The Braves just traded Casey Kotchman straight up for Adam LaRoache. Frank Wren is an idiot.
KotchWatch
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
I have touted the job Wren has done but this makes ZERO sense. ZERO.
jay
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
LaRoche is definitely a better hitter than Kotchman, and I say that as a pretty big Kotchman fan. And here’s a thought: get Chipper’s mediocre glove away from 3B; Chipper is next year’s firstbaseman. And the year after, until Freeman is ready (if Freeman is ready; no prospect is ever a sure thing).
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
There’s more to baseball than homeruns, and Lorache doesn’t even do that part well for a 1B. This trade is officially *almost* as bad as Tex to the Angels for Kotchman and a failed reliever prospect (note I said “almost”).
MFin04
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
LaRoche has more power, can hit 4th or 5th in the lineup. Should get some good pitches to hit batting 4th between Chipper and McCann.
Kotchman was never going to be what the Braves needed at first and was SLOW AS HELL. That can’t be understated.
Hope he doesn’t get screwed out of a gold glove though…the man has been great at first.
Dumbfound
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
Halladay going to the Los Angelos Angels !
Epinephrine
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
How do people not love this move?
1) LaRoche is = to Kotchman on defense. Don’t give me the crap about the errors. It’s easy not to make errors when you have the range of a flagpole. He gets the ones hit straight at him? Nice. What else?
2) LaRoche is superior to Kotchman offensively. Quoting LaRoche’s stats from this year in comparison, rather than his career numbers, is absurd. How many RBIs do you think Kotch would have put up in the Pirates lineup? A whole lot of protection there, let me tell you. Of course Kotch has more RBIs this year-he hits behind Esco, Mac, Chipper, GA, and Prado. Shocking, really. Anyone want to venture what Kotchman’s numbers would be if he hit cleanup for the Pirates?
3) LaRoche is a torrid second half hitter, which makes it even crazier to compare their stats from this year.
4) LaRoche fits in extremely well with this clubhouse, already being good friends with Chipper, Mac, and McLouth. Kotchman only spoke to freaking GA for crying out loud.
5) Yes LaRoche is more expensive, but so what? The Braves are spending the money, not you. And it’s not like this is a long term deal-or if it is, it will be restructured. This is all til Freeman arrives anyway.
So again, how do people NOT like this move?
keylargo
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
I guess all you Norton lovers are happy now. He’ll get the start at 1B tonight>>>>
Bravosss
July 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
Gotcha OKBrave, thanks for explaining and you may have a point about the confusion….
Sam The Man
July 31st, 2009
4:04 pm
Kotch was a bust. You can’t have a guy at 1st base with no power. A double here and there just won’t cut it.
From the sound of things, Kotch wasn’t going to be here next year so why not beef up the offense this year. LaRoche can definitely give it a ride.
Everyone is reacting like Kotch was a stud or something…I don’t get it.
This sounds like a very solid trade to me. Good job Wren!
The Bird and Indian
July 31st, 2009
4:04 pm
Marlins got Nick
TennesseePaul
July 31st, 2009
4:04 pm
So long Crotchmen
Edward( Bobby Retires after 2009 or Bust )
July 31st, 2009
4:04 pm
If any of you actually think that Kotchman is on the same level as LaRoche you need your head examined. This is a good upgrade and will do wonders for clubhouse morale.
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
4:04 pm
Maybe the players wanted Kotchman gone.
Chopper2Chipper
July 31st, 2009
4:04 pm
The Sox can use Kotch as a late inning defensive replacement for V-Mart.
THWG
July 31st, 2009
4:04 pm
So where’s LaRoche gonna hit?
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
4:04 pm
ok ok ok wait…where is the “KOTCHMAN IS KILLING US” fanclub???
indianabravesfan
July 31st, 2009
4:05 pm
LaRoche sucks, a horrible trade. Kotchman is the better player and Wren is a moron!!!!
VP
July 31st, 2009
4:05 pm
Kanizarres and not Norton at 1B tonight.
bravos2249
July 31st, 2009
4:05 pm
It’s amazing how we ended up with LaRoche, Vazquez and Gonzo…for like 3 players….
Well there goes Casey’s GG attempt.
Are we now the Pirates of the South?
I mean Gonzo, McLouth, LaRoche
AlabamaBrave
July 31st, 2009
4:05 pm
DOB, does that mean Norton will be DFA?
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
4:05 pm
I like this deal.
As much as I like Kotchman, him being traded is good because that leaves spare cash next season because obviously LaRoche is free agent.
For the ones clamoring for Kotchman to leave because “Kotchman kills us”, kidding or not, no need to back track.
Then another reason, Freddie Freeman stays in organization. And if he is as good as people claim, then maybe he’ll be up next year. If that’s the case, why not acquire someone with more power than Kotchman (especially in second half) and if it’s true that Kotchman was having clubhouse issues, then another good reason.
As far as the “chemistry” argument.
LaRoche is good friends with Chipper and McLouth. Seems to me that’s good chemistry there.
richbrave
July 31st, 2009
4:06 pm
HEATH:
I’m with you. I smell a rat.
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
4:06 pm
LaRoche just traded to ELI LILLY for better ADD drugs
P-Town Brave
July 31st, 2009
4:06 pm
Am I the only one who just really does not get this trade AT ALL?!
I mean…WOW! What else is there to say really?!
Boonie27
July 31st, 2009
4:06 pm
We better have gotten money in the LaRoche deal!!!!
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
4:06 pm
Marlins Acquired Nick Johnson
3:00pm: A 180 in this rumor – FOX now says the Marlins acquired Johnson for Double A lefty Aaron Thompson, with the Nats paying Johnson’s remaining salary.
MLBTR
LT-A blogger
July 31st, 2009
4:07 pm
This trade is not that big of a deal. Interesting to see if it winds up opening a hole next year, i.e. not resigning Roachy and/or Freeman not being ready.
My question is: who is officially slowest on the team now?
ChurchMan
July 31st, 2009
4:07 pm
Johnson for a Double A pitcher AND the Nats are paying his salary.
See the Braves need not worry about paying players they trade for this year if teams can get the other team to pay the rest of his salary
DAP
July 31st, 2009
4:07 pm
im stunned.
Noah
July 31st, 2009
4:07 pm
can anyone verify Kotchman wasn’t happy in the clubhouse? Why?
Brooklyn Braves Brawler
July 31st, 2009
4:07 pm
Oh well, I will root for my team (Braves) regardless, even if LaDouche is on it!
Patrick
July 31st, 2009
4:07 pm
THE BRAVES HAVE OFFICIALLY LOST THEIR MINDS!!! KOTCHMAN FOR LAROCHE????? THATS A TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TRADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sean Millar
July 31st, 2009
4:07 pm
I just heard the Braves traded Kotchman to Boston for LaRoche.
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
4:07 pm
ok ok ok wait…where is the “KOTCHMAN IS KILLING US” fanclub???
They died.
TennesseePaul
July 31st, 2009
4:07 pm
LaRoche is a free agent at the end of the year, no? Will he even qualify as a type B player?
Heath
July 31st, 2009
4:08 pm
Drew -
I think this is as much about potential and team chemistry as anything. Chipper and LaRoche remained good friends in the past years and LaRoche and McLouth apparently became good friends in Pittsburgh. If LaRoche plays to his potential in the second half of this year and if this makes Chipper and McLouth happier too, it could end up being a good deal. LaRoche is not that big of a defensive downgrade, so, they are mostly equal there….higher HR/RBI potential, lower average though.
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
4:08 pm
I am a tremendous tool
gibbs
July 31st, 2009
4:08 pm
Braves get Adam Laroche for Kotchman in trade with Red Sox??? Interesting….
John
July 31st, 2009
4:08 pm
I think The Scowl….NOT covering 1B….got Kotchman the heave-ho…
braves4ever
July 31st, 2009
4:08 pm
Good move, not a big upgrade ,but time will tell if the clubhouse gets tighter which would turn out better on the field.
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
4:08 pm
I love Laroche, but he’s not an upgrade. He strikes out more, isn’t nearly as good as Kotch defensively (think he has 8 errors this year already?), doesn’t situational hit nearly as well, and is just as slow and bad of a base runner. Neither are great, but Laroche is far from an upgrade in any way, especially with this season being the worst of his career so far. And just when Kotckman was getting hot…
This trade sucks, just bad, just really bad baseball.
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
4:08 pm
i am stunned that there wasn’t another move…one for a bullpen arm, but oh well…let’s see what tommy gun can do against the dodgers…
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
4:08 pm
I just heard the Braves traded Kotchman to Boston for LaRoche.
What???? Where’d you hear that??
curtis jones
July 31st, 2009
4:09 pm
I like the deal. Serious offensive upgrade.
tale of woe
July 31st, 2009
4:09 pm
Adam is a type B free agent
Unknown
July 31st, 2009
4:09 pm
We should have went after Russell Branyan.
Noah
July 31st, 2009
4:09 pm
Remember if this offseason is like last you will be able to get good players for cheap money.
Epinephrine
July 31st, 2009
4:09 pm
Unreal, also, about people calling Frank Wren an idiot. Dude has made nothing but dynamite trades so far, and when the Braves ride one of LaRoche’s second half hot streaks to the wild card, it’ll be amusing to come back and read the comments on here.
semiballcoach
July 31st, 2009
4:09 pm
rochy will hit 4th
BL
July 31st, 2009
4:09 pm
DOB or Carroll. Any word if LaRoche will make it by game time? Possibly start?
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
4:09 pm
ELI LILLY just traded LaRoche to Pfizer for long lasting ADD formula
bravos2249
July 31st, 2009
4:10 pm
I wonder what Number he’ll wear since Escobar is the current 19…..I personally think LaRoche will cherish this. He is getting another chance with the Braves. It’s truly a fresh start for him…hopefully he’ll take the bull by the horns.
18 WOL
July 31st, 2009
4:10 pm
It’s not a serious upgrade at 1B. It’s just not that significant for the money. And we lose a 1B for next year.
MFin04
July 31st, 2009
4:10 pm
LaRoche’s numbers are so skewed with Pittsburgh. He should have a lot better #’s in the Braves lineup. He gives us another deep ball threat. That can’t be understated when this team has very little power.
If the Braves need to resign LaRoche they can. Chipper and McLouth are great sellings points for LaRoche. If they don’t want to resign him, they can let him walk. It’s not like the Tex deal where he was going to leave no matter what. Braves have the option of keeping Adam or not. It’s really up to them, one would think.
nemov
July 31st, 2009
4:10 pm
While I’m no fan of LaRoche this is basically an onion for a lemon trade. Neither player is going to do much. LaRoche fits in our clubhouse better.
Chopper2Chipper
July 31st, 2009
4:10 pm
Epinephrine,
Agreed. Wren’s done a fantastic job as GM. JJ, McLouth, etc.
Freddy G
July 31st, 2009
4:10 pm
Just when I was praising Frank Wren he has a made a move that I hate. I may be the only Fan who likes Kotch despite his lack of power. I liked tha fact that he was clutch and I really believe the power would come later. Because Wren has made such good moves in the past he deserves the benefit of the doubt, I surely hope he is right again.
o-me
July 31st, 2009
4:10 pm
Chipper and LaRoach are hunting buddys. Braves will have to pay 2 million for 2 months for LaRoach unless Red Sox agreed to pay it. But its a done deal.
No relief pitcher?
Welcome back LeRoach, now kick some a@@.
TennesseePaul
July 31st, 2009
4:10 pm
“Kotch was a bust”
For all the trash being piled onto Kotchman, I will tip my cap to him. Not one single error in his entire Braves career. That’s pretty solid. The man posted a 1.000% fielding percentage for his Braves career.
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
Canzaris (or whatever his name is) will be playing 1B tonight, suggesting Adam won’t be in ATL until tomorrow or late tonight.
Tomas
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
I dont like the deal. Kotchman was flawless defensively, and his hitting was starting to come around. I believe the Braves did this simply because they believe that Adam Laroche will start hitting his usual second half numbers. I hope Boston at least the Braves some cash considerations.
tale of woe
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
Halliday to the Angles
ABravesFan
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
WHY?
Not a fan of this move.
richbrave
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
Well, we just got our power bat, 2009 edition. He comes ANDRES GALLARAGA, CRIME DOG and SID BREAM all rolled into one.
FaninFaytown
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
VP you say Canizares and not Norton as if there was any chance Norton started? Maybe I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure he hasnt started a game this year? maybe there has been one
Luke H.
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
Laroche is surely an upgrade, especially with the upside of a guy who loves Atlanta and hit 32 HR here one time. Also off the books at the end of the season giving us the liberty to do what we feel.
nemov
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
Barbaro Canizares is playing 1b tonight. He got called up for tonight’s game.
Noah
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
I hope he doesnt hit 4th. Just what we don’t need, a sub .250 hitter in cleanup.
TDub
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
I feel like I just traded a girlfriend with big boobs and no butt for a girlfriend with a big butt and no boobs.
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
Did the Pirates have a candlelight vigil for all their traded players?
Heath
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
Churchman -
Managers have a lot of input, in conjunction with GMs, on trades…especially established, HOF managers like Cox. He has a certain type of clubhouse he wants to keep and if he things LaRoche is better, he probably tells Wren he wants to swap them, and then Wren goes out and sees if he can make it happen. Even though JS was an establish GM, I bet there was nearly no trades made that didn’t get run by Cox too.
jay
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
Kotchman’s career OPS+: 103. LaRoche’s career OPS+: 113. Kotchman is better with the glove. For this year, which is all that matters right now, it is a fair deal, and LaRoche’s upside on offense makes it worth the gamble (do we so easily forget his 2006 with ATL? The only Braves with better numbers than that this year are Chipper and McCann). I’m not saying that we’ll see the LaRoche of 2006, but we might. And despite Kotchman’s recent hot streak, LaRoche is simply more of a lineup presence.
Dr Hoo
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
Well, I guess we need to pray that Adam’s poor offensive numbers were due to playing in that Buc lineup and he will magically be rejuvenated with better hitters in front and behind of him. And maybe we can get him to sign cheap next year to bridge to Freeman since he loves his buds on the team here so much. Still seems an odd move.
Thrillbot
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
The more I think about this deal, the more I love it … Adam LaRoche is a power upgrade we needed in our lineup in 2009 and Kotchman, whether the non-tender rumors are true or not, would have eventually needed to be moved to open up a spot for Freeman and would have roughly brought back zero talent when that time came. Now, the Braves upgrade the position for this year and offer themselves flexibility for next year.
indianabravesfan
July 31st, 2009
4:11 pm
big downgrade at 1st. LaRoche is horrible. i don’t get it. i want an explanation!!
stynes
July 31st, 2009
4:12 pm
I’m a little confused by the LaRoche trade. I don’t hate it but I’m not sure that it’s an upgrade. They’re very similar players. LaRoche perhaps with more power, a little less contact.
I’d be curious to hear more about the financial numbers and people’s thoughts regarding opening up a spot next year.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
4:12 pm
LaRoche, I remember, seemed to be the guy that always grounded into the Double Plays all the time, and he has 10 so far this year. ON pace to break his old record of 18 DPs
Unknown
July 31st, 2009
4:12 pm
At least we know Kotchman won’t be the 1B next year. We can make a run at Branyan who is a FA after this season.
Chris from the Rock
July 31st, 2009
4:12 pm
ESB rates LaRoche as just below Type-B status right now, but it’s really close. Seeing how he’s a 2nd half hitter, he’ll probably end up a Type-B.
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
4:12 pm
Laroche was just DFA’D by Pfizer (wouldn’t pay attention)
Redstick19
July 31st, 2009
4:12 pm
Wow. If this is not a precursor to another move, then I am done with this team. Kotchman is CLEARLY the better player and we gave him away for a worse fielder, worse hitter and a bigger contract. This is even worse than crap for crap- this is player on the rise given away for crap. Kotchman was hot as of late- and that’s how the ATL rewards him? Talk to you all next season, becuase the Braves just lost me as a fan this season. Sit back and watch this team sink, not rise in the Wild Card standings.
VP
July 31st, 2009
4:12 pm
Some people mentioned Vazquez getting shipped to Boston? What’s up with that?
JerseyBraves
July 31st, 2009
4:12 pm
we needed less strikeouts. now we’ve got more on the way.
unbelievable
July 31st, 2009
4:12 pm
there is a reason Kotch is gone, some people here are acting like he’s a superstar. Geez, just dont see how you can be mad about the deal or happy either. Laroche is a second half player and Kotchman isnt great. Its a move that probably wont have much of an impact either way.
The A Bomb
July 31st, 2009
4:12 pm
Just don’t get it.
Franceour for Church
Kotchman for LaRoche
It’s like regurgitating your food.
Can’t wait to start watch LaRoche take that one-handed swing and a miss again. . . and then forget to go the bag on a ground ball five feet from the first-base bag. . .
WREN — to quote Jack Buck. . . “I can’t believe what I just saw.”
Ugh.
ChurchMan
July 31st, 2009
4:13 pm
I love Laroche, but he’s not an upgrade. He strikes out more
Kotch struck out 5 times in 23 games this month.
Roche struck out 20 times (in 20 games where he had more than 1 at-bat, which happened in only 1 game) this month
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
4:13 pm
This is a good team chemistry move. LaRoche is good friends with Chipper and Nate. I think that will execute on the field. The lineup got deeper too.
1. Nate
2. Prado/KJ
3. Chipper
4. LaRoche/McCann
5. McCann/LaRoche
6. Garret Anderson
7. Yunel Escobar
8. Church/Diaz
Not bad at all to be quite honest.
Tony Almeida
July 31st, 2009
4:13 pm
Has anybody heard the news? Michael Jackson died.
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
4:13 pm
Can’t say I really like this move. Also, who is playing first base for us past next season? Starting Freeman there in April would be insane. Perhaps they evaluated the free agent market and saw some cheap first baseman that they could add. Very bizarre trade.
Paul Lentz
July 31st, 2009
4:13 pm
I’m going to go to the gym, get a workout in and clear my head. Hopefully when I get back home there will be more details concerning the trade. Then I will post my feelings on the trade.
David O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
4:13 pm
Red Sox are also giving Braves some cash to help offset difference in remaining salary
ship-builder1
July 31st, 2009
4:13 pm
Adam hasnt hit 32 homes run anytime since that time with ATL. guy is hitting low 200s cant be an upgrade maybe a home run or 2 upgrade but he goin to get out way to many more times
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
4:13 pm
Edward: why wait? Sh!t-can Bobby NOW!
tommy hanson fan
July 31st, 2009
4:13 pm
We lost a ton for 10 extra homers a year. A TON.
Chris from the Rock
July 31st, 2009
4:14 pm
Nice analogy TDub!
N8
July 31st, 2009
4:14 pm
So let me get this right. We basically traded all those prospects for Tex, who was eventually traded for Kotchman, who was traded for LaRoche, who was initially traded for Gonzo? So the net “gain” is all those prospects for Gonzo?
Wow. If Wren was going to take on payroll, why not really go for it. Teams all over MLB making themselves better today, and we took a sideways step, and took on payroll.
This really makes no sense. Only thing I can think of, with LaRoche being a free agent after the season, is that Freeman will get called up in September (or sooner) and get his shot to win that job next year.
If that is the case, I’m OK with it. But then why not wait and trade Kotchman for a marginal prospect in the winter, and save the money now.
I just don’t see how Adam LaRoche is going to help us win that many more (if any) games this year.
BravesinTN
July 31st, 2009
4:14 pm
When do pitchers and catchers report?
TBrown
July 31st, 2009
4:14 pm
TDub – Very good summary. Hilarious too
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
4:14 pm
Dr Hoo, Laroche will have better hitters in front and behind him now?
All I know is Wren needs to explain this move cause it makes no sense at all. It basically sounds like the Red Sox demanded and we complied.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
4:14 pm
Where’s the “Kotchman is killing us” crowd? Don’t back track now.
kelevra
July 31st, 2009
4:14 pm
guys everybody saying we seriously won this deal plus laroche has power is type B free agent and a second half player. not nearly as bad as yall r making it out to be
Tavis
July 31st, 2009
4:14 pm
I think we won this trade. DOB, do you have a Chipper Jones quote?
BBraves
July 31st, 2009
4:14 pm
Not that I want Norton playing 1B tonight but why is he on this team if he can’t hit or play defense???????
Drew
July 31st, 2009
4:14 pm
Marlins acquire Nick Johnson says MLBTraderumors
Interested Observer
July 31st, 2009
4:15 pm
So we apparently didn’t get the reliever we needed, but we improved the pre-game card game. Let’s just say I’m skeptical right now. I like LaRoche, just don’t think it improved much of anything.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
4:15 pm
I hear the Altanta Black Crackers are interested in aquiring Greg Norton…
Taylor S
July 31st, 2009
4:15 pm
Doesnt really matter on the Type B free agents status IMO. Odds are he would accept arb.
THWG
July 31st, 2009
4:15 pm
“Where’s the “Kotchman is killing us” crowd? Don’t back track now.”
You didn’t hear? They were shipped to Boston as part of the deal.
unbelievable
July 31st, 2009
4:15 pm
Jersey braves only two teams in the NL has strck out less that the braves. The Braves dont strike out much
Herschel Talker
July 31st, 2009
4:15 pm
If the Frank Wreck think an increase in clubhouse chemistry is what they need, then the Braves are screwed for years to come. Maybe Booby is behind this. Another clown. Two jerks.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
4:16 pm
How did we go from needing a reliever to getting Adam LaRoche? This really baffles me.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
4:16 pm
In 6 games with BOS, LaRoche hit:
.263/.263/.526/.789 with 2 2B, 1HR, 3RBI in 19 ABs.
pinkygonzales
July 31st, 2009
4:16 pm
the fact of the matter is this. our line-up is one without a lot of threats. and although casey played great defense, and could get you a single every once and while, LaRoche is a bigger threat. Add in the fact that he will be playing in a better line-up than he was in Pittsburgh, I like this trade. the only that concerns me is that LaRoche is a free agent and I don’t know if Freeman is ready for next year. Kotchman only made sense for this year and next year. After he was gone anyway. LaRoche has more power, and that is what this line up needed.
Hillbilly
July 31st, 2009
4:16 pm
TDub — I feel like I just traded a girlfriend with big boobs and no butt for a girlfriend with a big butt and no boobs.
Paging Wurlitzer Committee. Post of the year candidate.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
4:16 pm
Chris24: you must be Bobby’s on. Why would anyone want to platoon Prado with KJ? Only Bobby or a brain-dead idiot would.
P-Town Brave
July 31st, 2009
4:16 pm
Once again…
I DON’T GET IT!!!
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
4:16 pm
Poor Kotchman….last year he gets traded for Mark Teixeira. This year it’s Adam LaRoche. Next year it’ll be Corky.
civilized white trash
July 31st, 2009
4:16 pm
tony almedia
he did? When?
richbrave
July 31st, 2009
4:17 pm
I’m betting there were NO takers for NORTON. And I’m guessing he was shopped plenty.
N8
July 31st, 2009
4:17 pm
I thought Wren was looking for bullpen help?
Noah
July 31st, 2009
4:17 pm
Hope he hits 7 or 8, don’t mess up the middle of the order.
ship-builder1
July 31st, 2009
4:17 pm
We needed a reliever and power corner outfielder instead we get rid of a consistant bat and gold glover and pick up a consistant OUT!
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
4:17 pm
TDub
I think I’d rather a girlfriend with a big butt and small boobs…
Drew
July 31st, 2009
4:17 pm
Nick Johnson for AA lefty Aaron Thompson… and the Nats are paying most of the salary. Why couldn’t we pull THAT trade off?
Bravosss
July 31st, 2009
4:17 pm
Power bat?? Avg 25 HR and 89 RBI a year. That all goes down at the Ted. And another lefty bat. Ugh, miserable.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
4:17 pm
MiaBchBravesFan
I wasn’t meaning that as a platoon.
Prado will need some days off, no?
The A Bomb
July 31st, 2009
4:17 pm
Oh, stop it. . . Kotchman has been moving the lineup as much as anyone lately, , , ADDAM will just have the director in the TV truck cue up the end-of-the-inning music. . .
Now McLouth has some competition for the best one-handed swing and a miss on the team. . .
We just traded a GOLD GLOVE FIRST BASEMAN for. . . I can’t even go on.
monty
July 31st, 2009
4:18 pm
I don’t get the trade at all. We traded Adam away because of his momentary lapses in the field. He was in everyone’s doghouse.Bloggers were all over him. Kotchman has been coming on strong as of late. Seems like we just downgraded except for a handful of homers and increased payroll? Read the Pittsburg blogs when he was traded to Boston. No one was shedding a tear over there, most were saying “good riddance”!
P-Town Brave
July 31st, 2009
4:18 pm
We add salary for a marginal upgrade IF at all and waste a perfectly good player to use as a piece in a much better trade for a guy who is goin to be a FA and may not even make type-B status…
Once again, I DON’T GET IT!!
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
4:18 pm
This is just stupid, gambling on a mediocre player who’s having a horrible season to suddenly shoot off and carry us to the post-season… You can compare the players all you like, but the overall concept of what management is trying to accomplish with this trade is terrible and I’m not watching the game tonight out of protest!
Boonie27
July 31st, 2009
4:18 pm
I’ll be happy if the Red Sox sent us cash to make up the difference in salaries.
chc4
July 31st, 2009
4:18 pm
The people that say Kotch is a far better player than LaRoche are delusional.
Freddy G
July 31st, 2009
4:18 pm
Someone mentioned in this blog that Chipper may have been in Frank Wren’s ear to make this move, and one has to wonder if Wren would do that based on Chippers suggestion. I recall that the trade in 2007 for Tex when we gave up all those prospects was at the urging of Chipper and it did us no good, but made Texas a much better club. Kotchman was most solid defensively, imagine not making an error, plus he was getting on base. I hope Laroche is not as lazy as he was the last time he wore a Braves uniform.
Mitch
July 31st, 2009
4:18 pm
This is not good !!!!!
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
4:19 pm
Then I will post my feelings on the trade.
Paul Lentz
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Mario Mendoza
July 31st, 2009
4:19 pm
“He’s making $7.05 million and [b]is eligible for free agency once more before potential free agency after the 2010 season.[/b]”
say what?
huh?
July 31st, 2009
4:19 pm
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
4:17 pm
TDub
I think I’d rather a girlfriend with a big butt and small boobs…
Huh? Do you know something I don’t know?
THWG
July 31st, 2009
4:19 pm
NS Steve- To each his own.
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
4:19 pm
i would hope the braves are getting money…i mean, if we are going to take on payroll, it shouldn’t be for a marginal upgrade at 1st…
unbelievable
July 31st, 2009
4:19 pm
so people are mad that we traded away Kotchman who isnt that we traded our 1B who has this line .282/.354/.409/.764 for a guy who in his career has posted this line after the allstar break .295/.356/.544/.899.
I think I can see what Wren was going for here
abwright
July 31st, 2009
4:19 pm
I’m still stunned by the Kotchman for LaRoche trade. I liked Adam in ATL, despite that bonehead play. I doubt that this move makes much difference in the overall team’s statistical performance.
My big question…Kotchman was whose Brayan Pena?
beekay
July 31st, 2009
4:19 pm
Everyone complained of Kotch’s lack of power and couldn’t wait for Freeman to come up…now we get power and everone cries about his battin average…something tells me we could have dealt for Adrian Gonzalez and people would moan that his pants were too tight or that he didn’t bunt well…give me a break !! Welcome back Roachie
brent a.
July 31st, 2009
4:19 pm
In a race with a pregnant woman, Kotchman and LaRoche would tie for third.
Chris from the Rock
July 31st, 2009
4:19 pm
Luckily I have a girl with big boobs and a big butt!
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
4:19 pm
LOL
tralfaz
July 31st, 2009
4:20 pm
not about baseball, just so chipper can have someone in the dugout to talk huntin with
recently disgruntled braves fan
July 31st, 2009
4:20 pm
Wren is wretarded!
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
4:20 pm
This is my favorite blog yet
Luke H.
July 31st, 2009
4:20 pm
WHERE IS NS STEVE FROM??? I am likely the only other Nova Scotian on here haha
brent a.
July 31st, 2009
4:20 pm
Which bonehead play was that abwright?
The “Mother’s Day Lolligag”, or the “Game 4 of the NLDS lolligag”?
Epinephrine
July 31st, 2009
4:20 pm
Bravoss, how is he “another lefty bat”? We have the same number of lefties as we did yesterday. It’s pretty amusing watching the idiots hoist themselves by their own petards. Looking back on the comments in this blog is going to be amusing in about a month.
TnBrian
July 31st, 2009
4:21 pm
I agree 100% that this move was based some on the fact with that chemistry thing. I never met, heard the man talk, or even saw him act up while he was here but I feel sure that Casey had the personality of a fish. Not saying LaRoche doesn’t but apparantly Chipper and McLouth are good friends with him and those are two pretty big players on the team.
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
4:21 pm
Alright I’m stepping away for awhile. Everyone’s essentially posting the same thing. But I will say this:
Quit acting like Casey Kotchman was a superstar.
TennesseePaul
July 31st, 2009
4:21 pm
Efrim: “Can’t say I really like this move. Also, who is playing first base for us past next season? Starting Freeman there in April would be insane. Perhaps they evaluated the free agent market and saw some cheap first baseman that they could add. Very bizarre trade”
Agreed. I see where it puts more power in the line up, but LaRoche is not consistent with it. I really hope he goes on a two month tirade and belts a lot, but I wouldn’t count on it.
And the future… that is something indeed. Compensation picks are only retreived for type B if arbitration is offered, and some other team signs him prior to the 2010 draft, correct? I don’t see any return coming from LaRoche in that system.
Who’s on first next season? Maybe Canizares? Couldn’t be Freeman. That would ruin him. Turn him into a Schafer.
Perhaps this is the most value they could get for Kotchman. Sort of like Francoeur.
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
4:21 pm
For those of you that don’t think Kotch is a better first baseman, then WHY would the Red Sox send us Lorache and money to cover the rest of his salary to get Kotch? Think about it, we got… we go… WE GOT MCGRIFF’D!
MattyRoss
July 31st, 2009
4:21 pm
TDub…can she cook? That’s all that really matters.
The A Bomb
July 31st, 2009
4:21 pm
And next year, what do we do about 1B?
Wait through ANOTHER MISERABLE ADDAM LaRoche April, May and June?
brent a.
July 31st, 2009
4:22 pm
Can someone enlighten me as to LaRoche’s contract status?
When I first heard about the deal, I thought it might be interesting to see what Adam does the next two months.
But, not sure I want to see anymore of him after that.
Dr Hoo
July 31st, 2009
4:22 pm
Why the Pirates got rid of him for two mid-level prospects:
“Why it didn’t work here? At times he was very good and at times it was a struggle,” Pirates GM Neal Huntington said. “He didn’t show a lot of energy, didn’t show a lot of passion and fire, but this was a guy who cared a lot and did a lot of good things for us in the clubhouse.”
monty
July 31st, 2009
4:22 pm
Correct me by all means if I’m wrong but hadn’t Casey’s power stroke been coming on recently? a few Hr’s recently ,doubles and big RBI! I wonder what everyone else on the team thinks about this but Hoss?they’re good buddies)
ship-builder1
July 31st, 2009
4:22 pm
Yall keep sayin stuff bout Adam a better 2nd half player yet he hasnt done anything this 2nd half…
THWG
July 31st, 2009
4:22 pm
Kotchman was Esco’s on the field Brayan Pena. Esco will be very upset when he learns he has to actually throw the ball at LaRoche’s chest, not just somewhere in the vicinity of the bag.
Chop It Up All-star
July 31st, 2009
4:23 pm
I’m neutral on the trade of Kotchman for LaRoche, but I’m a little disappointed the Braves didn’t address their need for an upgrade in the bullpen.
kelevra
July 31st, 2009
4:23 pm
and everyone needs to remind themselves that js made the tex deal not wren and yes nobody can deny that was a bad deal for us but when it came time to trade him he only had 2 months left on his contract and he had a below average first half so we got what we could. but leave wren alone because that was not his mess
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
4:23 pm
Luke
I’m from Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
Crazy Trades McGee
July 31st, 2009
4:23 pm
The Red Sox are sending cash… Read DOB’s comments.
David O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
4:23 pm
Just looking at his career numbers:
LaRoche is a .259 career hitter with a .733 OPS before the All-Star break, and a .295 hitter with a .900 OPS after the break.
VP
July 31st, 2009
4:23 pm
@ Brent.A
Laroche is a free agent after the year.
MiamiBrave
July 31st, 2009
4:23 pm
DOB
Just an aside from the trade, been reading some people post what Shanks said about Kotchman
Any insight you can provide on this?
Thanks
Epinephrine
July 31st, 2009
4:23 pm
Casey’s “power stroke”. Now that’s funny.
brent a.
July 31st, 2009
4:23 pm
Buster Olney likes it.
Tomas
July 31st, 2009
4:23 pm
Carroll or DOB, you should make a poll, to see what people think about this trade Good or Bad or Indifferent.
J.T
July 31st, 2009
4:23 pm
what is this the pirates all-star team in atlanta now?????????/
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
4:24 pm
Here is why. LaRoche would not have re-signed with Boston. Next Year Boston lets go of Varitek, moves Martinez to catcher, Youkilis to third and Kotchman plays first.
The trade is fine, I was not a big Kotchman fan and LaRoche is ok. Call Heyward up
GboroBravo
July 31st, 2009
4:24 pm
Jake Peavy Dealt To White Sox Again
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 3:22pm CST]
Not sure what to make of this, but SI’s Jon Heyman tweeted that Padres pitcher Jake Peavy was dealt to the White Sox again. Heyman is not sure if Peavy OK’d it. He says the Padres get minor leaguers.
THWG
July 31st, 2009
4:24 pm
Jake Peavy to the White Sox.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
4:24 pm
The payroll flexibility of this is an underrated fact in this trade. A lot of people seem to forget it.
Johninnc
July 31st, 2009
4:24 pm
DOB will adam make it in time tonight maybe to PH?
GTSteve
July 31st, 2009
4:24 pm
I feel shocked
Bravedawg
July 31st, 2009
4:24 pm
Brent A – link? Or is it on TV?
Buster Brown
July 31st, 2009
4:24 pm
This is LaRoche’s 162 game average for career
.269 – 25 home runs – 89 rbi
This is a lot better for us than Kotch
UNCBrave
July 31st, 2009
4:25 pm
Kotchman is a little better defensively but LaRoche has hit 25+ HR in 3 straight seasons…
THe only thing that doesn’t make sense is that LaRoche is a FA after this year. If the Braves re-sign him before the end of the year, that makes sense…If Laroche does not get signed before the end of the year, I don’t understand it…
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
4:25 pm
Can’t find any news of a Halladay trade
Noah
July 31st, 2009
4:25 pm
Ok after looking at stats I have no problem with this. Kotchman was our #8 hitter so not a huge loss and LaRoche only has 1 error this year so seems ok defensively. OPS is same for both around 770. As long as he doesnt hit 4 or 5 I am good with it.
TennesseePaul
July 31st, 2009
4:25 pm
Well, in LaRoche’s defense…. just look what he did with his last team: .263/.263/.526 He could use some walks, but that power!
What’s that? Only 16 at bats?….
kdbanks
July 31st, 2009
4:25 pm
I’m so confused.
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
4:26 pm
So in other words DOB, Laroche is having a below average season by his own standards and so the Red Sox, who regretted the trade immediately when they got him, decided to make it sound like a sweet deal to Wren to send him here plus cash so that the Red Sox could get the best fielding 1B in the majors right now. K, got it. Gawd I’m too mad, taking a break from the ol’ blog.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
4:26 pm
This blog is crazy today..We’re at 10 pages hours before the game even starts!!!
UNCBrave
July 31st, 2009
4:26 pm
Buster Brown,
I agree except that Laroche is a FA after this year
ship-builder1
July 31st, 2009
4:26 pm
cant go off his stats in past he his not hitting this year and this is the year we traded for him…dumb
timthebrave
July 31st, 2009
4:26 pm
We can still trade for Jeff Francouer since he hit 30 hr a few years ago as well
Dumbfound
July 31st, 2009
4:26 pm
You people on this blog who don’t think LaRoache isn’t a up grade than Kotchman, Is a FOOL !!!!! That MAN Laroache have far better power than that Slow Dirt Bag Kotchman !! You all are STUPID !!!
Buster Brown
July 31st, 2009
4:26 pm
DOB you are exactly right. A lot better hitter 2nd half for career.
Fluffy McNutter
July 31st, 2009
4:26 pm
DOB
Lots of talk today about Kotchman not being a good guy in the clubhouse. Any truth to that?
MFin04
July 31st, 2009
4:26 pm
Good trade. Not great. Losing Kotchman doesn’t really hurt this team. It’s not like the team suffered defensively with Prado at first. At least not enough to really notice/change the outcome of games.
This trade gives the Braves more power in the middle of the lineup and also makes the 6-8 hitters VERY good. Escobar, Anderson, Diaz/Church are very good hitters to be that low in the order.
It also makes the team faster. Not that Adam is that much faster than Casey, but a slow 7th or 8th hitter is not good, because you can’t easily bunt him over or score on singles. Not Kotchman at least.
I’d rather have a slow power-hitting number 4 guy than a slow contact 8 hitter. Now we can have a little faster guy in the 8th spot, that can get bunted over and score more easily.
Fred Claus
July 31st, 2009
4:26 pm
No one was planning to do this. VMART trigger the whole deal.
Wren reacts, he doesn’t plan.
Pirates called him about McLouth.
Mets called him about Frenchy
For all we know the Sox called the Braves once they snagged VMART.
I see reactions not anything proactive.
Let’s hope hunting buddy chemistry pays off for many b/c Chipper is slumping and is not showing much regular power, McLouth has looked bad at the plate for weeks and LaRoche is hitting 240-ish to go with his 8 errors this year.
I just heard the Phillies, Giants, Marlins, Cards and Rox yawn at this move. The Mets are envious but that goes w/o saying.
Josh from Columbus
July 31st, 2009
4:27 pm
DOB,
I gotta save I’m surprised by this one David. Perhaps there is something in the works to deal LaRoche and someone else for a bat? Not sure but this is just very surprising.
richbrave
July 31st, 2009
4:27 pm
KOTCHMAN for LaROUCHE and financials. Sure looks like a pull out all the stops move to get BC back into the playoffs in 2009. Whew. FRANCOUER with good potential and almost never hurt, in exchange for CHURCH with little upside, and RYAN is hurt all the time. The other blockbuster move toward the playoffs. Funny we don’t seem any closer to either the wild card or the FILTHIES. Well, we’ll have to see how it all plays out, or not.
Goodoleboy58
July 31st, 2009
4:27 pm
Jake Peavy Dealt To White Sox Again
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 3:22pm CST]
Not sure what to make of this, but SI’s Jon Heyman tweeted that Padres pitcher Jake Peavy was dealt to the White Sox again. Heyman is not sure if Peavy OK’d it. He says the Padres get minor leaguers. Peavy is currently recovered from a torn ankle tendon.
Ben
July 31st, 2009
4:28 pm
D.O.B. Was Kotchman a cancer in the clubhouse ?
LaRoche Again?
July 31st, 2009
4:28 pm
Did Chipper threaten to boycott games until the Braves brought LaRoche back?
So we move Frenchy and get LaRoache back? This team just amazes me! One step forward and two steps back!
What a joke!
Marc from FL
July 31st, 2009
4:28 pm
The Mets are probably wondering why they didn’t Nick Johnson, lol, if anyone really needed a 1B it was them.
FaninFaytown
July 31st, 2009
4:28 pm
wow Peavy to the white sox
abwright
July 31st, 2009
4:28 pm
brent a. 4:20 pm … “Which bonehead play was that abwright?
The “Mother’s Day Lolligag”, or the “Game 4 of the NLDS lolligag”?
The “Mother’s Day Lolligag” was the one sticking in my mind. That was a classic! Ahhh…good times.
Buster Brown
July 31st, 2009
4:28 pm
You guys are thick skulled idiots. This will be a better deal for us. He will hit for same average as Kotch with more power. Rafeal Belliard had more power than Kotch.
Chris from the Rock
July 31st, 2009
4:28 pm
Peavy traded? Selig has to approve traded involving guys in the DL, right?
Noah
July 31st, 2009
4:29 pm
Who cares about signing LaRoche. For $7 million (his salary this year)you will be able to get a good bat. Last year it would have gotton you Orlando Hudson plus left a few million free. Since salaries have gone down not being tied into a contract is a good thing.
brent a.
July 31st, 2009
4:29 pm
Who had 4:23 PM for “when DOB will post Adam LaRoche’s 2nd half numbers”?
Gone Viral
July 31st, 2009
4:29 pm
DOB: This is what you posted earlier: “He’s making $7.05 million and is eligible for free agency once more before potential free agency after the 2010 season.”
The first one should be arbitration, I think. It’s like this in the main story on AJC as well.
Cheers.
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
4:29 pm
I am be by myself but I understand this completely!
The Braves needed more power and they got it….LaRoche has had 30+hr seasons ….Kotchman will never hit that many
LaRoche is liked here and will do well in the second half in a comfortable position
LaRoche is NOT a real downgrade defensively but is a big upgrade in Power
Also, he is a Free Agent at year’s end and Kotchman has 2 more years of arbitration…the Braves don’t want that! Freeman will likely be here next year or Prado will move to first base and KJ will play 2nd
I don’t think it is a bad deal at all and niether will many of you if LaRoche hits 10-15 hrs the rest of the season
LaRoche Again?
July 31st, 2009
4:29 pm
Oh yeah…. and LaRoche salary is twice what Kotchmans is!
So tell me this makes sense?
MFin04
July 31st, 2009
4:29 pm
LaRoche and Chipper are great friends. If the Braves want to keep Adam after next year, they’ll just send Chipper in to negotiate with Adam.
If they don’t want him, they don’t resign him, it’s that simple.
Bravosss
July 31st, 2009
4:29 pm
Buster Brown
That’s just 13 more RBI/season than Kotchman. And as for the HR, who cares HOW you get the RBI.
Gone Viral
July 31st, 2009
4:29 pm
“Only problem is, WTF does clubhouse etiquette have to do with winning the World Series?”
Everything.
recently disgruntled braves fan
July 31st, 2009
4:30 pm
LaRoche never has his head in the game, this makes absolutely NO SENSE! Kotchman wasn’t the best 1B but he got the job done a lot better than LaRoche ever has….so what if he can add a couple more homers a year, Kotch was way better at handling Escobar’s throws from SS and he was a consistent hitter in an inconsistent bottom of the order.
This move, in no way, helps the Braves for the next 2 months/….
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
4:30 pm
Everyone better hope Cañizares starts at first next year. If Freeman starts next year, they will ruin the poor kid. He needs to spend next year’s first half at MS, then spend the second half at Gwinnett.
If Cañizares can hit between .260-.270, knock in 70, and hit 20 out, it will be a successful bridge to the Heyward & Freeman Era.
CUT NORTON!!!
David O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
4:30 pm
yes, LaRoche free agent after season. I forgot that he played only 110 games his rookie year because of the shoulder injury, but he got service time in that period when on DL
brent a.
July 31st, 2009
4:30 pm
Olney was on TV. Said that LaRoche was “comfortable” in Atlanta, and that he (Olney) now considered Atlanta a “sleeper.”
huh?
July 31st, 2009
4:30 pm
Also hearing the Peavy went to the White Sox.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
4:30 pm
I like the deal for 2009 because you could hope that Casey would hit a few doubles and occasionally run into a pitch and knock it out of the park.
Rochy has legitimate XBH power and makes the middle of the lineup stronger. He *should* produce runs because he has in the past. Kotchman *might* produce runs *if* all the stars were properly aligned, etc. — and he never really has up ’til now.
You do have to wonder what the Braves will do at 1B next year. Unless they’re willing to offer LaR arbitration for one season until Freeman’s ready.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
4:30 pm
PS – does anyone know LaRoche’s second half split from last season?
MFin04
July 31st, 2009
4:31 pm
The difference in salary has been paid by the Red Sox, I believe DOB said that?
Rob from SC
July 31st, 2009
4:31 pm
I thought Wren called the Pirates about McLouth
Bravosss
July 31st, 2009
4:31 pm
coach smith – LaRoche had one 30+ HR season (32 in ‘06). It’s the only reason his avg is close to 26/yr.
groundfog
July 31st, 2009
4:32 pm
DOB: Was Kotch really that disliked in the clubhouse?
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
4:32 pm
If we were going to trade our first baseman anyways, then why didnt the Braves try to get V-Mart instead of LaRoche?
Red Sox Nation
July 31st, 2009
4:32 pm
We’ve been trying to find a way to get rid of Laroche for a while, eventually had to pay a team to take him, but thanks Bravos! We’ll gladly take Kotchman off your unappreciative hands. Enjoy Adam’s 10 bombs, .270 AVG, and 5 errors down the stretch!
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
4:32 pm
Tennesee Paul, I think we would probably just have ended up non tendering Kotchman, I guess??? So in turn, it’s just a swap straight up one for one. Wren thinking that LaRoche is just poised to have a better second half than Kotchman offensively. So Kotchman would have been non tendered….so what does that mean for KJ and CHurch?(although I know Johnson still has more value than the other two, right?)
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
4:32 pm
That Peavy story’s funny (”Dealt to the White Sox again”), whether or not it happens.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
4:33 pm
Peavy To White Sox Is Official
Pads get Clayton Richard (LHP) , Adam Russell (RHP), Aaron Poreda (LHP) & Dexter Carter (RHP)
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
4:33 pm
Original Jon,
Because V-Mart was going to cost a lot more, maybe?
Luke H.
July 31st, 2009
4:33 pm
NOVA SCOTIA STEVE… me too haha… I’m from Port Hawkesbury. Wait, are you Steve MacArthur by any chance???
huh?
July 31st, 2009
4:33 pm
Original Jon -
CLE was really only looking for pitching. What 2 or 3 pitching prospects would the Indians have gotten from ATL that would be OK for ATL to deal?
MFin04
July 31st, 2009
4:34 pm
You have to look at how a guy fits in the lineup as well.
Casey K was never going to hit higher than the 7 or 8 spot in the order.
LaRoche can hit in the 4/5 spot. That makes the rest of the lineup stronger throughout.
VP
July 31st, 2009
4:34 pm
WOWWWWW!!!!!
Jake Peavy went to the Whitesox.
AlabamaBrave
July 31st, 2009
4:34 pm
Peavy to Pale Hose is official. If they make it to the playoffs, that is one heck of a rotation to go against: Peavy, Gavin Floyd, John Danks, Mark Buehrle
THWG
July 31st, 2009
4:34 pm
Peavy to the White Sox, I’d assume that’s pending Peavy waiving his no trade clause and the commissioner’s office has to approve it since Peavy is on the DL.
Dwight Schrute
July 31st, 2009
4:34 pm
Does anybody have tickets to the gun show?
Bravosss
July 31st, 2009
4:34 pm
IMO – Olney’s opinion and a dollar leaves me with 4 quarters.
Calvin
July 31st, 2009
4:34 pm
Wow Peavy to CHW…Wow
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
4:34 pm
I really hope the Braves don’t see putting Freeman at first as 20 year old in April of next year. That really wouldn’t be the best way to handle his development. He isn’t Heyward. Just sayin….
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
4:34 pm
Bravosss
that is still ONE MORE 30hr season than Kotchman will ever have
also, get this straight on the money difference people : THE RED SOX ARE PAYING THE BRAVES MONEY TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE IN SALARY
so it doesn’t cost the Braves more money
ernesto
July 31st, 2009
4:35 pm
Wow, didn’t see that coming…and can’t say that I really get how that trade makes us better.
Especially after this season.
Dumbfound
July 31st, 2009
4:35 pm
The Phillies, Gaints, Cardinals, Sox maybe yawning at this trade, Let’s see what they will be doing when Tim Hudson gets back !!! P.S. Michael Vick is a New England Patriot ! Just Signed !
ADDawg
July 31st, 2009
4:35 pm
White Sox get Peavy……
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
4:35 pm
Original Jon: Hell, why didn’t we go for the Nat’s Johnson instead of LaRoche, for crying out loud!
Man, the Renteria trade seems like it was a lifetime ago.
Rock On....the denizen formerly known as Dadgum
July 31st, 2009
4:35 pm
Well we still have both Norton and KJ on the 25 man roster but lost Kotchman? Whattttt? I can just see DOB shaking his head on this one. Absolutely NOBODY saw this coming. There is no upgrade here that I can see on the surface. All I can remember is Laroche striking out a lot with a very slow long swing. Defense is probably a wash but to make this trade with other needs more pressing is somewhat quizzacle. Gotta run but there is more to this than meets the eye. I hope!
The A Bomb
July 31st, 2009
4:35 pm
What are we going to do next?
Send McLouth to the Mets for Francoeur?
WREN: This team struggled all season to jell. . . and now that we’re hitting you trade a starter? Real fans realize that when you put a bunch of coal in a bag and shake it up real hard, what will come out of the bag is. . . COAL!
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
4:35 pm
Well, assumed to be official.
Peavy being on DL and all.
David O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
4:35 pm
Just to clarify, here’s my corrected and cleaned up early story. going down to talk to Wren in dugout now.
By David O’Brien
dobrien@ajc.com
A trade-deadline surprise: Adam LaRoche is back with the Braves.
The Braves traded for their once-and-again first baseman on Friday, opening a spot for him by sending Casey Kotchman to Boston in a swap of smooth-fielding first basemen that gives the Braves improved power at that position.
LaRoche, who’s eligible for free agency after this season, has hit a career-low .248 with 13 homers and 43 RBIs in 93 games, including 87 games for Pittsburgh before being traded to the Red Sox on July 22 for two minor-league prospects.
The Braves also receive cash from Boston to cover the difference between the remaining money owed LaRoche, who has a $7.05 million salary this season, and Kotchman, who’s making $2.885 million.
Kotchman has been on a hot streak lately that’s raised his average to .282 with 41 RBIs, but he still has only six homers, and Braves first basemen are tied for last in the National League with seven homers. Their .401 slugging percentage is better than only Arizona’s first basemen (.390).
In LaRoche, the Braves get a slick-fielding left-hander who came up in the Braves organization and played his first three seasons for Atlanta from 2004 to 2006. His best season was 2006, when he hit .285 with 32 homers, 90 RBIs and a .915 on-base plus slugging percentage (OPS).
He was traded to the Pirates after the 2006 season for closer Mike Gonzalez.
LaRoche, 29, has hit 20 or more homers in four consecutive seasons, and totaled 46 homers with 173 RBIs for the Pirates during the 2007-2008 seasons.
The Braves brought Barbaro Canizares up from Class AAA Gwinnett to play first base in Friday night’s series opener against the Dodgers.
LaRoche is a .259 career hitter with a .733 OPS before the All-Star break, and a .295 hitter with a .900 OPS after the break.
DawgfaninJesup
July 31st, 2009
4:35 pm
This trade means nothing. one stiff for another. this team is not going to win the series this year anyway, but we have a descent team for next year if Bobby et al have the sense to put Heyward on the team and now that we need a 1st baseman we should add Freeman as well. if he doesn’t work out we can always have Prado play 1st next year and KJ at 2nd.
unbelievable
July 31st, 2009
4:37 pm
has anyone heard or seen a Kotchman quote from any games or anything. The only thing Ive ever heard him talk about was leaving the team when his mom was ill. He never gave quotes after the game and lets face it, he was a very average 1B nothing more, nothing less
Frank Wren
July 31st, 2009
4:37 pm
Wow you guys are really going nuts here huh? K, let me explain. I didn’t think we had a shot at winning this year, but didn’t want to make it obvious we were giving up. I also wanted to save some money on the bottom line. This deal does it all, we save some money and actually make it look like we’re improving the team. Brilliant! But no, seriously, I just saved us $500,000!
o-me
July 31st, 2009
4:37 pm
DOB has already told us Boston was paying money to make up the 2 million left on his contract. He will be a free agent at end of year. He will be happy in big A with his friends and bust his a@@ to get new Contract. Give the man a chance before you have heart trouble. Wren is pretty damn smart and P-TOWN BRAVE if you don’t get that to bad. You made your point. He may not be the best dog in the hunt but he will point and retreave.
Hell getting Norton out of here is more important.
SouthernBelleBrave
July 31st, 2009
4:37 pm
The RedSox sent ‘cash considerations’ to the Braves as the difference in salary.
I still don’t understand this trade. I was really hoping we’d get more bullpen relief.
I REALLY wish we would DFA Norton and bring back Conrad…who had better numbers all around.
nemov
July 31st, 2009
4:37 pm
Why does LaRoche bat better in the 2nd half? It’s because in the first half he’s not paying attention! ::rimshot:: I’ll be here all week.
RC
July 31st, 2009
4:38 pm
The fact that Red Sox are sending cash to Braves makes it all make sense. Even in a DOWN year, LaRoche has slugged almost 40 points higher than Kotchman this year. And while is average is significantly lower, his on-base percentage is only 27 points lower, showing that he’ll take a walk from time to time (and I know a hit is usually better than a walk, but as shown by the slugging, Kotchman’s hits are all singles anyway). The defense isn’t QUITE as good with LaRoche as Kotchman, but it’s not a huge gap either. All year we’ve been asking for more power in the lineup….now we’ve got it. I’m not willing to say this is a good or a bad move, but I do see the reasoning and understand why it was done. And there is DEFINITELY more offensive upside with LaRoche than Kotchman.
LaRoche Again?
July 31st, 2009
4:38 pm
Second half my butt. Adam can tell any team he’s on to “hang in there the first half guys while I take a nap. If we’re not 10 out after the all star break I may contribute a little bit!”
So in essence we traded for a half season performer that we got rid of a couple of years ago.
Good Grief
July 31st, 2009
4:38 pm
Amazing how NOBODY could see all of the trades that happened in the last hour coming – NOBODY.
After thinking this deal over…I like the move for the Braves. Im a big believer in when guys are happy that they play the game much better. I don’t care what Adam’s numbers are this year after looking at where he played most of the season. We’re still heavily left handed though…but I like the power that he now adds to our line up – yes his 13 HR’s playing out of a pitchers ball park.
TennesseePaul
July 31st, 2009
4:38 pm
Yes. My initial reaction was of disapproval. Mainly on the sour taste that is Adam LaRoche.
But, when looking at the possibility of no solid return for Kotchman, a DFA in the off-season, and the fact that he hit 8th in the line up, it isn’t that bad.
The fear sets in when I postulate where Bobby will put him in the line up.
So long as Adam doesn’t get cute and attempt to bunt again, the Braves should be fine for the most part.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
4:39 pm
Efrim,
Freeman’s showing no indication he’s anywhere near ready for the ML. 2011 looks like the earliest he’ll be up. As I say, maybe the Braves offer LaRoche arb this winter and he signs for one more season. Or they go after Nick Johnson …
THWG
July 31st, 2009
4:39 pm
Wonder why Peavy signed off on the trade to the Chi Sox this time.
Jeffro
July 31st, 2009
4:39 pm
I just think it funny that we now have LaRoche, Norton, and KJ on the roster….
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
4:39 pm
I dont know, maybe Kotchman, Medlin, Rohrbaugh, and another low level, but good projected arm for V-Mart. Wouldnt that have worked?
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
4:40 pm
i was still holding out hope that a trade for a reliever would be reported since sometimes these things come in a few minutes late, but alas; i have given up hope…
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
4:40 pm
i was still holding out hope that a trade for a reliever would be reported since sometimes these things come in a few minutes late, but alas; i have given up hope…
richbrave
July 31st, 2009
4:40 pm
EFRIM:
Correct-a-mundo. FREEMAN has a ways to go yet.
ship-builder1
July 31st, 2009
4:40 pm
So when is Wren goin to go get a player that fits the needs of ATL ( corner outfielder and bullpen)
JasonInFL
July 31st, 2009
4:40 pm
sorry for the double submission…
huh?
July 31st, 2009
4:40 pm
Red Sox beat writer saying that BOS wanted Kotchman because he would be a better bench guy than LaRoche.
Noah
July 31st, 2009
4:40 pm
I too wanted bullpen help but everyone seemed to want the bat and I think they got a bat, better then Kotchman and you dont loose defense as LaRoche has 1 error this year.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
4:40 pm
Luke Hardiman
Who’s the biggest Braves fan you know from Port Hawkesbury hahaha…How the hell are ya????
Johnnyd333
July 31st, 2009
4:41 pm
everyone needs to calm down…our 1B had 7 HOMERS this year…Laroache brings a power bat to our line up and sets up freddie freeman for next year. Baby Braves version 2.0 coming to Turner Field 2010
blazon
July 31st, 2009
4:41 pm
does Adam LR still suffer from ADD? haven’t heard anything to the contrary…
brent a.
July 31st, 2009
4:41 pm
Wren has a track record of successful trades.
I’m sure we will re-visit this one in detail the first week-end in October.
bravesfan27
July 31st, 2009
4:42 pm
so adam is back. lets talk about that move. I think it was a great move .He has pop and he still is very good defense at 1st. go braves
Scoots
July 31st, 2009
4:42 pm
Seriously, how could you guys not have seen this trade coming?
richbrave
July 31st, 2009
4:42 pm
Aw-w-w. LUKE and STEVE. It’s like a first date all over again.
BL
July 31st, 2009
4:42 pm
Yeah let LaRoche hit into a few DP’s and we’ll see how everyone feels about our “clubhouse chemistry”. LaRoche used to have Francoeur status on here, and that is when he hit bombs more frequently. Won’t take long for that status to return so get ready.
Noah
July 31st, 2009
4:42 pm
off the wall idea: Braves move Chipper to 1st next year to keep him healthy and sign Adrian Beltre to play third (plays the game super hard, great defensively, decent bat).
Tribe114
July 31st, 2009
4:42 pm
Kotchman for LaRoche? WHY?
Johnnyd333
July 31st, 2009
4:43 pm
And why does everyone here all the sudden LOVE kotchman? come on he is streaky at best with no power….at least laroache is streaky with power….not to mention we will be rid of him after this year LETS GO FREDDIE FREEMAN AND HEYWARD cant wait!
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
4:43 pm
TenneseePaul, I agree. It isn’t an awful deal, just really bizarre.
Piedmont Blues, I’d bet the Braves evaluated the potential free agent first base market before making this trade. I can’t imagine they would consider Freeman as a 20 year old at first next year, but there is still so much time between now and next season that the Braves may stumble upon a new first baseman for the future(through trade, that is). Just never know, too early, I guess.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
4:43 pm
At least Peavy ends up in Chicago like he wants ~_~
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
4:43 pm
richbrave…lol
hahahah I used to play hardball with his brother…
He’s a good dude and a big Braves fan!
THWG
July 31st, 2009
4:43 pm
The guys at MLB Network understand the move from the Braves’ point of view, but don’t get why Boston did it. My guess is that they figure Kotch is a good late inning defensive replacement.
The A Bomb
July 31st, 2009
4:43 pm
Good lord — we probably have Johnson, Canizares and Hernandez in the lineup tonight. . . against the best team in the NL….
And by the way, for the person who asked DOB if LaRoche will get to the park in time to pinch hit tonight. . .
Sorry buddy, that spot is FILLED by a guy 6 for 51.
Besides, LaRoche will probably take the wrong plane and end up in Reno.
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
4:44 pm
One good step: The BRAVES RELEASE JEFF BENNETT
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
4:44 pm
Step 2: DFA NORTON and bring up CONRAD
huh?
July 31st, 2009
4:44 pm
Looking at flights on line…I don’t see how LaRoche could possibly be available tonight unless I am missing something (charter maybe).
im4ball
July 31st, 2009
4:44 pm
To me its kind of an odd trade considering the salary difference and the fact the LaRoche’s contract is up soon. I know the Red Sox ate some of his salary but what happens when the contract is up?
Is this just a rental for power or do the Braves sign him to a long term contract.
This deal would have made a lot more sense if LaRoche were right handed. I do like his power numbers and that should make up for the difference in batting average though Laroche strikes out a lot.
monty
July 31st, 2009
4:44 pm
Laroche strikes out 1 out of every 4.2 AB’s. Casey strikes out 1 out of every 10.4 AB’s. Quite a difference! Get prepared for the McClouth and Laroche show, between the 2 of them there will be many whiffs with runners on base! Adam will not spray the ball either like Case does, he is a dead pull hitter. THink Adam Dunn with 1/3 the power!
Chris from the Rock
July 31st, 2009
4:45 pm
Any news on Prado’s and Escobar’s availability for tonight?
Dr. Watson
July 31st, 2009
4:45 pm
Defense is not a wash here, unless Laroche has gotten rid of the brain pharts that used to occasionally pop up. I had forgotten the had that much power. Still, I think Kotchman is the better player. Weird, weird move.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
4:45 pm
Well, not to change the subject…but any news on the line ups for tonight?
Goodoleboy58
July 31st, 2009
4:45 pm
Guess that game winning 3 RUN HR from BMAC last night sparked old memories from Bobby… lol i kid i kid
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
4:45 pm
And Piedmont Blues, Laroche won’t be offered arb. He would have too high a number for the Braves. I think they will look for a one year stop gap of some sort. There should be quite a few. Nick Johnson, Aubrey Huff, Laroche, Delgado, heck Kotchman when he is non tendered!
RC
July 31st, 2009
4:46 pm
Peavy to White Sox
TK
July 31st, 2009
4:46 pm
Think about it fellas. Kotchman was great defensively, but offensively adequate at best, but not a threat, and was never going to hit above the 7 or 8 spot in the order. In LaRoche, we have a 4 or 5 hitter with a lot of pop and a good fielder. That alone makes the entire lineup better. Additionally, Adam will be a positive influence in the clubhouse. Who would you rather face: Kotch or Roche? Granted, the last 2 moves by Wren seem weird, trading RF for RF and 1B for 1B, but I believe we have upgraded those positions and the lineup significantly and the team is better off as a result. We have a good shot at resigning Laroche as well due to his old Pirate buddies and good friend Chipper. The only thing I am concerned with now is that we are stocked with LH hitters and the Philthies are stocked with LH pitchers.
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
4:46 pm
With LaRoche coming back. Waiting for Hudson/Carlyle/Infante won’t be as hard, if no deal was made.
bravesfanmetsland
July 31st, 2009
4:46 pm
This has been some series of weird trades for the Braves. Our deadwood RF for another teams. Our deadwood 1b for another teams? Tow in a couple weeks, position for position swaps? When was the last time that happened?
Goodoleboy58
July 31st, 2009
4:46 pm
monty id take a strike out over a weak roller to 2nd base for EVERY out
BT
July 31st, 2009
4:46 pm
Still a little mystifying other than getting out from under Kotchman’s contract. Addition by subtraction. The part of the story that I have missed is if we are bringing up Canizares (which I think is a good idea) we have to get rid of someone. Has this been announced?
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
4:46 pm
I’m glad to see Roachy back….drop him in that 4th or 5th hole in that line-up….
TennesseePaul
July 31st, 2009
4:47 pm
Efrim: KJ and Church… I’d have dumped Norton and brought up KJ while keeping Conrad on the team. Problem going forward is KJ will be too expensive as a bench player. But taking at bats away from him for Norton isn’t going to improve KJ’s trade value in the off-season. The only reason Norton has a job is he is a switch hitting Veteran. That’s it. He isn’t good at either of those two qualities.
Church… I could see him being gone after this season. Sounds like Heyward is on a pace to be up by July of 2010. Right field, from my point of view, is covered. Stop gaps can be found in the mean time.
UNCBrave
July 31st, 2009
4:47 pm
DOB,
Any sense from the Braves that they will sign LaRoche to an extension??
Freeman is NOT ready for MLB next year…Maybe 2011
RC
July 31st, 2009
4:47 pm
“Defense is not a wash here, unless Laroche has gotten rid of the brain pharts that used to occasionally pop up.” – Dr. Watson
Did you even watch the Marlins series that just finished? Kotchman had TWO of those brain farts in a 3 game series. I still say defense is a wash.
Slugger - www.theweeklyscene.com
July 31st, 2009
4:48 pm
Kotchman fan here… guy went out and did his job.
A man of few words that went out and worked hard day in and day out.
You have to miss players like that in pro sports (McCann’s of the world).
LaRoche is pretty similiar in that regard, just wish they kept Kotchman.
Lew
July 31st, 2009
4:48 pm
I’ll go along with Rock On on this. Quizzacle.
Sure hope he’s really happy to be back, Chipper and McLouth are real happy he’s back and they all go on a tear.
What will the plans for next year be now?
umm HUH?
July 31st, 2009
4:48 pm
HE IS NOT A POWER BAT!!! He had one good season. AVG 89 RBIs. That’s not a power bat. Polish it however you want DOB, this was a loser.
BL
July 31st, 2009
4:49 pm
So much for Peavy and his “I love the NL style of play”
AustinBrave
July 31st, 2009
4:49 pm
LaRoche makes his home in Atlanta and is best friends with Chipper. I bet he signs on for other year or two.
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
4:49 pm
BT
The Braves released Jeff Bennett, maybe that is the roster spot
o-me
July 31st, 2009
4:49 pm
blazon…alot of people have ADD. About 70 % of the kids in school have some form of ADD. GET OVER IT.
AlabamaBrave
July 31st, 2009
4:49 pm
BT
July 31st, 2009
4:46 pm
Canizares will take Kotch’s spot and be sent back when LaRoche arrives.
brent a.
July 31st, 2009
4:49 pm
The Braves now have two starters who began the season as starters for the Pittsburgh Pirates, perhaps the least successful NL franchise of the last 17 years.
Ritchie from Scotland
July 31st, 2009
4:49 pm
Ok a slight offense upgrade I suppose. Good guy to have around aswell apparently but I really liked Kotchman’s defense and although LaRoche is capable he’s no Casey. I suppose we’ll see, it depends if LaRoche has another good second half like he usually does. However, we are now VERY left handed.
Frank Wren
July 31st, 2009
4:49 pm
What a great move. I cant believe I keep pulling these off. I just traded a guy with no power for a guy who has hit 32 dingers in a year. LOL. And I got the Red Sox to pay the difference in the contracts.
I am on a roll. First I stole McClouth now this. Plus Adam and Chipper are like best friends. Ill bet anything Adam picks his game up when he gets here.
GM of the year baby !!!!!!!!!
Heath
July 31st, 2009
4:50 pm
So, is this how everyone sees the lineups now:
Vs. Righties
1.) McLouth
2.) Prado
3.) Chipper
4.) McCann
5.) LaRoche
6.) Escobar
7.) GA
8.) Church
Vs. Lefties
1.) McLouth
2.) Prado
3.) Chipper
4.) McCann
5.) GA
6.) Escobar
7.) LaRoche
8.) Diaz
Something like that?
PWHjort
July 31st, 2009
4:50 pm
Hey guys, I don’t know if anyone has posted this, but the Braves traded Casey Kotchman for Adam LaRoche.
The A Bomb
July 31st, 2009
4:50 pm
Yeah — this deal makes us better. . .
For duck season, rabbit season, dove season, deer season. . .
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
4:50 pm
umm HUH?
he is a Pwer bat…he has a career average of 26 HRs a year my friend
Frank Wren
July 31st, 2009
4:50 pm
However, we are now VERY left handed.
ummm Kotchman batted left handed? how did this move make us more so?
bravesfanmetsland
July 31st, 2009
4:50 pm
Come on, this is a good thing. Adam is the last guy in the Braves lockerroom actually doing perscribed drugs
Ritchie from Scotland
July 31st, 2009
4:50 pm
sorry that should have been still VERY left handed
line up card
July 31st, 2009
4:51 pm
for the roster illiterate: Canizares called up today. LaRoche not here today. Kotchman gone. they won’t add laroche until tomorrow. that way no one is sent down tonight. tomorrow canizares will likely go back to gwinnett. we can hope against hope that norton is realeased & canizares stays. but we know that’s to good to be true.
brent a.
July 31st, 2009
4:51 pm
thanks to whomever mentioned MLB Network. I’d forgotten about that channel.
Dumbfound
July 31st, 2009
4:51 pm
Getting Tim Hudson back is like getting another big trade ! I think the Braves leads the majors in Era. Let’s see the Dodgers, Cardinals, Chicago, Rockies, Phillies, Boston, Yankees, Giants top that !!!!!! Only going to get better when Huddy gets back !!!
UNCBrave
July 31st, 2009
4:51 pm
BT,
I think that Kotchman’s roster spot has allowed Canizares to fill it..UNFORTUNATELY, I don’t think Norton was DFA..
Any thought that CONRAD could be brought up at SS for Yunel? Conrad was playing SS at Gwinnett
I think the Braves didn’t get an ARM b/c HUDSON is coming back and Kawakami to the BP and that’s your bullpen arm
I’m still surprised Kelly Johnson is a Brave though
umm HUH?
July 31st, 2009
4:51 pm
because of one 32 HR season…
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
4:51 pm
Ritchie from Scotland
and others: you crack me up saying “Now we are very left handed”
NEWS FLASH
Kotchman was a lefty too
Chris
July 31st, 2009
4:52 pm
Man, those injuries to Esco and Prado, although minor, could not of come at a worse time with the Dodgers in town.
McFann ;Ô;
July 31st, 2009
4:52 pm
OK, so I leave the house thinking we’re gonna survive this deadline without disrupting our ML team which, as we all know, has been playing some pretty good baseball…
Come home and…WTHeck?? They traded Casey? For LaRoche? No offense to Adam, but I’m not thrilled with this.
If I Recall Correctly…thanks Mixxo.
Bill M.
July 31st, 2009
4:52 pm
Stupid,Stupid, Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!! This is like swapping apples for apples. They must think Freeman is going to be ready or sign someone for one year.
Del
July 31st, 2009
4:52 pm
Not a good trade in my opinion. What we gain with a few more homers we will more than lose by a less capable glove.
Frank Wren
July 31st, 2009
4:52 pm
Kotchman has 39 career homers Adam has 124. This was a no brainer folks
BehindEnemyLines
July 31st, 2009
4:52 pm
This piece of sheer idiocy should be the end of the Wren era. He’s an outmatched buffoon and this trade seals that label forever. The team finally plays reasonably well for at least a while & what does this walking example of the Peter Principle do? Goes out & gets a headcase that represents zero upgrade, one we were actually lucky enough to have rid ourselves of in the first place. The only reasons that Wren isn’t the most incompetent part of the Braves organization are Greg Norton and now Adam “Oh, were there only two outs?” LaRoche.
I can’t even begin to come up with the last Braves trade that seemed more completely upside down and with less possible positive outcome than this one, and I was able to easily find silver linings & logic behind the Tex rental so it’s not as though I’m the world’s toughest trade analyst.
The sad part is that Wren is in a position to do far more long term damage than any of the players. Putting him in the job was a horrible mistake. Leaving him in the job for another minute is even worse.
David O'Brien
July 31st, 2009
4:52 pm
“A little surprised but not overwhelmingly surprised, which is how the game is, the business is,” Kotchman said. “Not a whole lot goes through my mind because it’s something you know is in their hands, to make moves or not. I’m just thankful for the opportunity to be here and play for Bobby Cox. That’s been a privilege to play for him and his staff, the teammates here. Headed to Boston.”
monty
July 31st, 2009
4:52 pm
MAybe LAroche is Nate’s Bryan Pena.
Rufus
July 31st, 2009
4:52 pm
The Braves, really did it, they got rid of LaRoche, because he fell asleep at home plate, on first base, in the drug-out, etc..
The Pirates had enough, with a non-productive player, and what team, when out of their mined attitude, picks this clown up, of course the mighty Braves.
I would rather keep Kotchman.
The Braves, proof with this trade that they don’t care about the team, and less about the fans.
I hope LaRoche, does better, then just good, and a lot better than when he was last with the Braves.
I would rather have a minor leaguer playing first then LaRoche.
The Braves should really consider putting K. Johnson, in the outfield, he’ll do less damage out there.
Time will tell.
UNCBrave
July 31st, 2009
4:53 pm
BTW, we don’t have to face PEAVY anymore
RC
July 31st, 2009
4:53 pm
Coach Smith,
Bennett was on the DL, so therefore was not on the 25-man roster when released by the Braves.
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
4:53 pm
Noah LaRoche has 8 errors this year bud.
Noah
July 31st, 2009
4:53 pm
Good deal. We trade our #8 hitter and most say get a 4 or 5. Personally I think Adam should bat more like 7 but we will see, either way a few more HR’s could help win a few games.
Bill
July 31st, 2009
4:53 pm
Welcome back LaRoach. Thanks DOB for up dates on trades.
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
4:53 pm
Brian Jordan on 680thefan just said Kotchman’s personality didn’t fit in with the Braves
McFann ;Ô;
July 31st, 2009
4:53 pm
“I’m just thankful for the opportunity to be here and play for Bobby Cox. That’s been a privilege to play for him and his staff, the teammates here.”
Yep…
Luke H.
July 31st, 2009
4:54 pm
haha Rich Brave
STEVE!!! haha I was thinking it was you the whole time. I added the Steve+Nova Scotia+Braves+Media pretty well then I guess. Things are alright man, I’ll facebook you right away. You like the LaRoche deal? I missed the guy. Lots of upside.
McFann ;Ô;
July 31st, 2009
4:54 pm
coach Kotchman’s personality didn’t fit in with the Braves
Why not?
beekay
July 31st, 2009
4:54 pm
Where are the comments from the liberal lefty from the left coast, Mr. Lentz or did someone steal his handle again
BT
July 31st, 2009
4:54 pm
Coach Smith and Alabama Bennett counts only on the 40 man. my guess is there is going to be a DFA done before the game or tomorrow when Roachy is available.
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
4:55 pm
What’s interesting in all of this is that we found out that Kotchman was probably going to be non tendered this offseason. Kotchman wasn’t even THAT bad, folks. Got on base 35% of the time and played excellent defense. I suppose that wasn’t going to be worth around 4 million, but it says something about what Wren might do with Church and Johnson if they aren’t able to trade them(Church is going to get non tendered, imo, not sure on KJ).
Original Jon
July 31st, 2009
4:55 pm
Ritchie from Scotland, we were already very left handed, we traded one left handed bat for another.
mustrdgasnroses
July 31st, 2009
4:55 pm
Heath,
That would be what I’d expect to be the case..though, it’s a bit odd to have GA in the 8 spot, but where else is he going to bat? Fourth? As much as McFann would like him to, I doubt he will be.
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
4:55 pm
McFann ;Ô;
the personality thing is what Brian Jordan just said on the radio
said he was too quite and didn’t spend time or talk with people
brian
July 31st, 2009
4:55 pm
I see that Peavy went to the White Sox for much less than what the Braves were talking about sending San Diego. Definitely no one of Yunel’s stature
Frank Wren
July 31st, 2009
4:56 pm
BehindEnemyLines, this deal labels me?
I sent Tex to the Angels for Kotchman in the first place, this trade isn’t nearly as bad!
bravofan
July 31st, 2009
4:56 pm
Wow really Frank Wren? ok Im sure Braves wont forget Laroche not hustling over to first base to get that out a few years ago! I strongly encourage anyone at the Ted tonight to please BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Rafael no class low life disrespectful Furcal when he steps up to bat after all the terrible things he did to the Braves!!!!!!!
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
4:56 pm
BT
I hope that next move is NORTON is DFA
Noah
July 31st, 2009
4:56 pm
There must be something clubhouse wise as a few sources have mentioned it regarding Kotchman. If this helps that is just a bonus. Can’t really loose, no long term commitment and can probably, given the market, bring Adam back next year for less money if you want.
o-me
July 31st, 2009
4:56 pm
coach smith did he say why it didn’t fit Braves personality?
I like Kotch but Laroach will do better, I believe.
brian
July 31st, 2009
4:57 pm
McFann – the reports are that he never integrated himself in the locker room and stayed a loner. At best he hung out Anderson
umm HUH?
July 31st, 2009
4:57 pm
Kotch has gotta be ticked. Sweet starting role here to a spot on the pine in Boston. Eh, at least he has a shot at a ring there.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
4:57 pm
I love the LaRoach deal…Frank Wren has done an excellent job with this team.
I very impressed…and he took a lot…and I MEAN A LOT of heat in the offseason.
Guy is cool and clam man
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
4:57 pm
TN Paul: If the Braves feel they have to keep KJ, the only logical call is to have KJ play LF next year. The infield of McCann, 1B (Cañizares), Prado, Escobar, and Jones is solid. If Heyward is ready, an outfield of KJ, McClouth, and Heyward is probably the look for 2010.
This is all predicated on KJ gaining his stroke back, and how in love the Braves are with their former no. one pick.
RC
July 31st, 2009
4:57 pm
“I see that Peavy went to the White Sox for much less than what the Braves were talking about sending San Diego. Definitely no one of Yunel’s stature”
This is why the Braves don’t give no trade clauses….
Geo123
July 31st, 2009
4:58 pm
Original Jon,
No that trade would not have worked… The Indians picked up a couple of very good pitching prospects for Martinez. Masterson is better than anyone you put on that list.
You already know based on what he was traded for that Kotchman didn’t have much value. Plus the Indians have Matt LaPorta who is a far better prospect ready to tak eover at first…
Frank Wren
July 31st, 2009
4:58 pm
Kotch didn’t want to play horse shoes with everyone after the games and go hunting in his spare time, this is why he was traded.
brian
July 31st, 2009
4:58 pm
I agree about Furcal. I hope people boo like crazy. I hope to hear it big time on the old Peachtree TV
Luke H.
July 31st, 2009
4:58 pm
1. McLouth
2. Prado
3. Jones
4. McCann
5. Escobar
6. Anderson
7. LaRoche
8. Diaz/Church
I wouldn’t mind seeing Heyward get the call up at this point. Esp. with the lack of Infante these days. Could be the spark the Bravos need.
BT
July 31st, 2009
4:58 pm
Possibly a lot of turnover before 2010. Two thirds of our outfield could be gone, our two closers probably will be gone, much of our bench including KJ, Norton (if he lasts that long) will be probably gone.
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
4:58 pm
o-me
all Jordan said about Kotchman was
said he was too quite and didn’t spend time or talk with people
Rufus
July 31st, 2009
4:58 pm
All the pollution in Atlanta has affected the decision making in the Braves organization.
The A Bomb
July 31st, 2009
4:59 pm
So Norton must be phenomenal in the clubhouse, right?
Greg in TN
July 31st, 2009
4:59 pm
Afternoon denizens…
Been a busy trade deadline bonanza as usual, and the Braves, fresh off of their win last night to avoid the sweep at, ahem, Land Shark Stadium, home of the Florida
MarlinsHohns bring back a familiar face to 755 Hank Aaron Drive in one Adam LaRoche.Certainly the deal is not a defensive upgrade, although let’s be honest, Kotchman’s job in Boston doesn’t look to be as a starter. Varitek will catch, Victor Martinez will play first and either Kotchman or LaRoche are on the outside looking in. Frank Wren is gambling on the typical Adam LaRoche second half to help infuse a little pop into the lineup.
With LaRoche eligible for FA at the end of the year, it does open the team up for the possibility of having Freeman manning 1B should his development continue as it has so far in Mississip’. Jason Heyward’s otherworldly numbers have gotten all of the pub since their promotion, however Freeman is putting up excellent numbers as well (2 HRs, 18 RBIs, .305 BA, .795 OPS).
It’s Rafael Furcal night at the ball park, but for a completely different reason that it would have been before this past offseason. Warm up your vocal chords Atlanta.
Ritchie from Scotland
July 31st, 2009
4:59 pm
to all the guys correcting me, thanks but I corrected myself just after my post. We are still very left handed I meant.
brian
July 31st, 2009
4:59 pm
exactly RC – good point
DOB – you got back one of your more entertaining Braves to go interview
PMC
July 31st, 2009
5:00 pm
Really, this deal works for what the team needs right now. Laroche can hit 4th if need be. He can drive in runs he’s got the ability to hit 8-15 homers the rest of the way and he’s cheap for the rest of the year and isn’t long term. I seriously doubt anyone is going to pick him up for the 7.05 million the pirates signed him for this year.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
5:00 pm
The A Bomb…
Now that’s some funny stuff!!!
Heath
July 31st, 2009
5:00 pm
LaRoche splits this year:
Batting #4 224 ABs .272/.362/.482/.844
Batting #5 91 ABs .198/.255/.374/.629
Batting #6 11 ABs .091/.167/.091/.258
Batting #7 16 ABs .313/.313/.625/.938
mustrdgasnroses
July 31st, 2009
5:00 pm
coach smith,
Kotch went on the bereavement list just after he arrived last year, didn’t he? I don’t suppose anyone knows what for?
Chris from the Rock
July 31st, 2009
5:00 pm
A roster move still has to be made to place Canizares on the 25-man roster. Everybody keep your fingers crossed for a Norton DFA!!!
Poorjeff
July 31st, 2009
5:00 pm
The RED SOX look more like the Braves everyday. Give’m hell Laroach.
Dr. Watson
July 31st, 2009
5:00 pm
That play the other night where Escobar picks off the sleeping Marlin at first? That doesn’t happen now, because Laroche will be asleep, too.
BT
July 31st, 2009
5:00 pm
Coach Smith if Norton makes it through this change of events I will be shocked.
WTF
July 31st, 2009
5:01 pm
Kotchman for LaRoche is the best they could do?
Arf.
Slugger - www.theweeklyscene.com
July 31st, 2009
5:01 pm
coach Kotchman’s personality didn’t fit in with the Braves
Why not?
—
Because people don’t appreciate the ‘blue-collar’ baseball player until they’re gone.
PMC
July 31st, 2009
5:01 pm
I hope Furcal puts the first three hits from short into the seats.
Don’t drink to much on the way home you freaking BUM!
Frank Wren
July 31st, 2009
5:02 pm
mustrdgasnroses , his mother was sick.
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
5:02 pm
mustrdgasnroses
he did becuase his mom was sick but she recovered
Chop Chop
July 31st, 2009
5:02 pm
I just want Bobby to play Kelly and Roachy on the right side every day. Of course, I like to hear the sound of bloggers’ heads exploding.
driver8
July 31st, 2009
5:02 pm
For those of you who can listen to 680the Fan on the radio in Atlanta or online….Frank Wren will be on the Buck and Kincaid show at 5:30pm this evening to discuss the trade. That should answer everyone’s questions regarding why this went down. Just and FYI for everyone!
RC
July 31st, 2009
5:02 pm
mustrdgasnroses,
Kotchman’s mother was fighting a disease (I think lymphoma, but can’t remember for sure) and he left the team to be with her during treatment. Fortunately, the treatment went well and her disease was in remission last I heard, but I think it’s the type of thing you can never be sure is completely gone. Again, I am not clear on details, other than his mother was sick and now her disease is in remission.
Chop Chop
July 31st, 2009
5:02 pm
The Braves might make a move for a reliever before August 31. I can’t imagine they’d be able to do much else.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
5:03 pm
Looking over the batting order splits, it looks like LaRoche is another guy that REALLY benefits from a lot of protection. (Batting between McLouth who was in the 3-hole and Sanchez in the 5-hole could definitely give LaRoche some good pitches in the 4-hole.
Bat Masterson
July 31st, 2009
5:03 pm
Jesus, what a damn joke of a trade. I get used to Kotchman, he starts to hit, so we trade him and bring back Sleepy.
Poorjeff
July 31st, 2009
5:03 pm
Its not how you play but how you act in clubhouse? That sounds backward to me.
Luke H.
July 31st, 2009
5:03 pm
Hey gang,
JOIN THE ANTI-BILL HOHN GROUP ON FACEBOOK. I also recommend writing to the commissioner’s office with a complaint – can’t hurt.
Yeah Steve, Wren did take a lot of sh*t. Things are coming together. Although this next little stretch is make-or-break. 10 of 15 against the Dodgers and Phillies? Woah.
McFann ;Ô;
July 31st, 2009
5:04 pm
Personality. Hmm. Whatever…
Still cheesed. Not crazy about this one.
And oh look! Kotchy’s in the AL now! Can’t win a GG if you switch leagues…
ADD LaRoche Is Coming bac....Look There's A Squirrel!
July 31st, 2009
5:04 pm
LaRoche was a DP and K machine when he was here. He is career low in BA this year almost 40 points lower than Casey. He slugs higher, but he sits down about once a game without putting the ball in play! Casey has about as many rbi’s as LaRoche this year and Casey ain’t even supposed to be an rbi guy by rep.
Not crazy about this trade. Homers or “power” in a vacuum is kinda stupid.
Vinings Jim
July 31st, 2009
5:04 pm
I apologize to all the fine denizens whose posts I’m skipping over, but there are too many of you. Quick summary: – “Great trade” – “stupid trade” – “I don’t get it”
Bravosss
July 31st, 2009
5:04 pm
mstrd – kotch went on the bereavement list bc his mother was sick.
McFann ;Ô;
July 31st, 2009
5:04 pm
driver8–
Thanks. May hafta tune in to that.
mustrdgasnroses
July 31st, 2009
5:05 pm
Heath,
I suppose with those splits, the logical place for Laroche would be the four hole or 7, as in your lineups. Doesn’t have a lot of at bats in the seven slot though.
Mitch
July 31st, 2009
5:05 pm
My wife will never watch the BRAVES again !!!!
garyfrombham
July 31st, 2009
5:05 pm
This one is a clunkers-for-cash. We got rid of Adam once because he couldn’t get it done. What the heck does this mean? This is a downgrade. Lunkheaded trade!
RC
July 31st, 2009
5:05 pm
The real loser in all these trades is the Red Sox. I don’t know what they gave up for LaRoche, but I’m pretty sure it’s a package they wouldn’t have traded straight up for Casey Kotchman. Plus they lost Mark Kotsay, who is essentially Kotchman with speed and can play OF.
UNCBrave
July 31st, 2009
5:05 pm
AGAIN, who plays 1B in 2010??
Fred "The Dorf" Dorfman
July 31st, 2009
5:06 pm
Supposedly the Braves are on the verge of acquiring Adam LaRoche from Boston for Kotchman. Stay tuned…
Murph Rocks
July 31st, 2009
5:06 pm
Guys — today’s blog may need to be saved for the all-time best list by DOB. I was out to a late lunch and just scrolled through the responses as the news came in. It was like listening to Skip Caray with a split personality — and the other personality is Ozzy Osbourne.
Keep it up, folks. This blog has been “double pits to chesty” so far.
It would only get better if Norton knocks in the game-winning homerun tonight and trips over third as he’s rounding it. This blog would melt down with commentary.
RC
July 31st, 2009
5:06 pm
“AGAIN, who plays 1B in 2010??”
Whoever Vazquez is traded for in the offseason.
RHR
July 31st, 2009
5:06 pm
The return of Roachy huh? Maybe being on the same team as Chipper will make him better, otherwise i dont see it as an upgrade.
Poorjeff
July 31st, 2009
5:06 pm
Driver8, relay the new I can’t get 680…thanks
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
July 31st, 2009
5:06 pm
While I know some are dissing this deal, I think it is a good one and one I told you would likely be made. LaRouche is just as good defensively as Kotchman and he has way more power. Even if LaRouche doesn’t hit for a high average he will hit some homers which is what this offense needs. I still think another waiver deal could take place here in a week or so.
mustrdgasnroses
July 31st, 2009
5:07 pm
Thanks coach smith, Frank Wren, and RC…wasn’t sure if it might’ve had some lingering effect on his mood, if not his play.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
5:07 pm
mustrdgasnroses -
LaRoche could do well in the 5-hole in ATL because he would be hitting behind McCann and in front of Escobar…the protection is more important. I think that is why he did so much better in the 4-hole in Pittsburgh….pre-McLouth trade.
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
5:07 pm
those of you who are citing Kotch vs Roche’s batting avg
remember that Kotchman has done alot to raise his batting average over the last 2 weeks (he hasn’t been a .280 hitter all year long)
and he does it with singles and doubles
this is what it comes down to:
Make a mistake vs Kotchman and it is a single or a double
Make a mistake against LaRoche and it is a double or likely a HR
RC
July 31st, 2009
5:07 pm
“It would only get better if Norton knocks in the game-winning homerun tonight and trips over third as he’s rounding it. This blog would melt down with commentary.”
At least that would mean he remembered to touch 3rd….
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
5:07 pm
“AGAIN, who plays 1B in 2010??”
TBD. We have all offseason to talk about that. There is this thing called free agency, and this other thing called the Winter Meetings…..
Tomas
July 31st, 2009
5:08 pm
Freddie Freeman
Smoltzy
July 31st, 2009
5:09 pm
Did the Red Sox put me on waivers so the Braves can add me to the bullpen yet !!!!
Frank Wren
July 31st, 2009
5:09 pm
By the way all your numbers are scewed cause Kotchman batted 8th most of the year and the 8th hitter in the NL almost never gets a good pitch to hit. Oh I’m sorry, this isn’t my blog, carry on!
*whistling* I just saved us 480k biatch!
RC
July 31st, 2009
5:09 pm
Coach smith’s 5:07 post hit the nail on the head. That’s why this trade was made, and knowing that the Red Sox are making up the difference in salary I’m ok with that.
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
5:09 pm
RC
“At least that would mean he remembered to touch 3rd”
LOL
BUT
Norton doesn’t even remember what it feels like to touch first base!
gcs
July 31st, 2009
5:09 pm
WREN, WTF??!! An overpaid free agent-to-be with ADD for a Golden Glove candidate making a third the salary signed thru the next couple of seasons. Again WTF?
If you are just looking for an excuse to bring up Barbaro Canizares then trade Kotchman after the season is over and get something for it.
.
monty
July 31st, 2009
5:10 pm
NOt sure what the Braves were thinking!
Two hitters headed in opposite directions. Read them and weep Braves fans.
July Stats: Casey-avg.320-OBP.427-slug.480-OPS.873……LAroche avg.169-OBP.190-slugg.312-OPS.507.
NOw explain. ANd put a good spin on it by all means!
driver8
July 31st, 2009
5:10 pm
Poor Jeff
If possible try their website they have live streaming audio @ 680thefan.com. Otherwise I’m sure a bunch of us will be discussing what Frank Wren says here in a bit.
Shamus Thacker
July 31st, 2009
5:10 pm
Trade a Frenchy, get a Frenchy, and one who gives even less of a damn…
Bama Aaron
July 31st, 2009
5:10 pm
I’m shocked that most people on this board seem to like this move. I think it’s horrible. You’re giving up a player that is hitting roughly 45 points higher than the player you’re getting. And Kotchman will take a walk occasionally. This is completely stupid. And frankly I don’t care if he was a loner in the locker room…they don’t all have to be buddies to win a game. And all we get back is a player I was happy to be done with a few years ago???? Stupid….just stupid….
Efrim
July 31st, 2009
5:10 pm
“Freddie Freeman”
Right….and then he’ll probably be sent down in June and then we’ll trade a smaller package of players to a team like the Pirates for their first baseman.
McFann ;Ô;
July 31st, 2009
5:11 pm
Heath LaRoche could do well in the 5-hole in ATL…
Oh goody! Just what we needed: Another #5 hitter!
RC
July 31st, 2009
5:11 pm
“By the way all your numbers are scewed cause Kotchman batted 8th most of the year and the 8th hitter in the NL almost never gets a good pitch to hit. Oh I’m sorry, this isn’t my blog, carry on!”
That being the case, why has Kotchman only walked 32 times this season? If they are bad pitches, don’t swing at them.
mustrdgasnroses
July 31st, 2009
5:11 pm
Heath,
Wouldn’t the four hole offer as much or more protection? Batting behind Chipper, and in front of McCann would certainly qualify, I would think. As it stands right now, considering LaRoche’s usual second half numbers, I’d say he is a bigger power threat than anyone else in our line up.
Fred "The Dorf" Dorfman
July 31st, 2009
5:11 pm
Barbaro can start out 2010 as the Braves 1B.
Atticus
July 31st, 2009
5:11 pm
LaRoche sucks, I was so happy when he left. Now I gotta watch that HUGE hole in his swing AGAIN!!! He was the only guy I couldn’t stand watching hit, even worse than Andruw.
Great deal, fantastic. I will say it and say it again, 4 straight years without a playoff.
Great job on the pitching staff, but you had a AA player in center who they played hurt, a pitcher in over his head in right and a second baseman who they waited half a season on.
4 straight years. Great job. Phils get Cliff Lee and Braves fans keep talking about two players in AA.
TennesseePaul
July 31st, 2009
5:11 pm
Peavy was traded for the #’s 2 and 3 prospects in the White Sox system… their top two pitching prospects, according to BA’s preseason ranking.
Of course, the White Sox didn’t have a single prospect in the top 100…
Peavy, injured, finally agreed to a team in a league he flat out refused to go to earlier.
Robert (Chipper Is The Best)
July 31st, 2009
5:11 pm
The lineup will likely look like this I would think:
1. McClouth
2. Prado
3. Chipper
4. LaRouche
5. McCann
6. Escobar
7. Anderson
8. Church/Diaz
I think LaRouche should hit between Chipper and McCann because Chipper is disciplined enough to handle being pitched around and hitting in front of McCann will give him more pitches to hit.
Poor Man's Claudell Washington
July 31st, 2009
5:11 pm
Nova Scotia (per your 4:57):
Frank Wren = Clam Man: King of the Bottom Feeders.
Motto: One team’s trash (or Laroche) is another team’s treasure.
monty
July 31st, 2009
5:12 pm
We just added another Greg Norton! He was good last year!
Poorjeff
July 31st, 2009
5:12 pm
Norton=that dog wont hunt!!!
Chop Chop
July 31st, 2009
5:12 pm
It’s a different spelling, but Freddie Freeman doesn’t impress me too much.
rawdog
July 31st, 2009
5:12 pm
Wasn’t LaRoche booted out of ATL for being aloof half of the time? He looks like he has down syndrome. Hopefully Furcal will return to ATL and he and Manny will get wasted after the the game and miss the final 2 games due to incarceration. I hear Manny grew his hair long because he likes his hair pulled. Club Miami is calling those two for a late nite fiesta.
Bat Masterson
July 31st, 2009
5:12 pm
Costello- who’s on first?
Abbott – right
The A Bomb
July 31st, 2009
5:13 pm
WHY DID HOHN PULL OUT THE PIECE OF PAPER THE OTHER NIGHT????
HOHN: Bobby, get out here right now!
COX: Yes, Billy?
HOHN: All right Bobby, if this dugout doesn’t shut up right now, I’m throwing Kotchman out of every game I ump with you guys until I retire!
The Bird and Indian
July 31st, 2009
5:13 pm
Kotchman never seemed happy. I think the first time I saw him smile was last night to Chipper about that throw to first. You can’t downplay the effect of players playing happy. You know Adam will be excited to play on a team that has a chance to win. I’m not surprised he wasn’t performing for the Pirates. I am expecting a little fire from Adam and maybe even some from Nate, Chipper, and Mac. Adam is a second half player who can hit some shots. He’s not an average guy but he still gets on base at a solid rate. He is actually a pretty slick fielder with better range that Kotch. He only has 1 error this year actually. Everybody calm down because this gives us the power we need for the rest of the season and then some freedom for the off season to evaluate Adam for this year to see if we wanna resign him or run at another 1st baseman. Just think if he hits towards the top we could have Yunel Escobar as an 8 hitter. That’s a pretty deep lineup if you ask me. We didn’t give up any prospects at the deadline either which I was extremely happy about. Don’t underestimate Adam’s swing that’s like a breath of fresh air. This guy can rake when he’s on. He even hit a tower in his first game with Boston up on the green monster for opposite field power. This isn’t a huge deal but I think it will help us for the run this year.
Heath
July 31st, 2009
5:13 pm
Maybe comfortability is important to LaRoche:
.330 .381 .592 .973 Home
.159 .269 .287 .556 Away
Basically equal number of ABs away and at home. Hopefully his comfort with a reunion with the Braves will translate well.
Sir Stealth
July 31st, 2009
5:13 pm
If we bat LaDouche cleanup that really would be too much to bear. I hope that any of that speculation is completely off, otherwise Chipper better work on his take out slides at second.
Herschel Talker
July 31st, 2009
5:14 pm
Casey Kotchman likes men
RC
July 31st, 2009
5:14 pm
monty,
Using your stats, I will attempt to explain. Season stats: LaRoche – .772 OBP. Kotchman – .764 OBP. That’s INCLUDING the last month where Kotchman was doing awesome and LaRoche doing terrible. If LaRoche is still leading him after that month, imagine how much better he’s likely to be when he ISN’T playing below his level (and Kotchman isn’t playing above his).
Luke H.
July 31st, 2009
5:15 pm
Remember when we had Rico Brogna?
groundfog
July 31st, 2009
5:15 pm
I like the trade. It’s obvious the Braves were not going to tender Kotch, and Laroche’s upside in the second half is huge-he is a much better second half player. We know what we had with Kotch-we will get at least that with Adam and maybe a Spark.
The Bird and Indian
July 31st, 2009
5:15 pm
I meant Yunel as a 7 hitter my bad.
Tomas
July 31st, 2009
5:15 pm
If Freeman isn’t ready for next season just sign a first baseman to a 1 year deal. First basemen
Rich Aurilia (38)
Russell Branyan (34)
Miguel Cairo (36)
Frank Catalanotto (36) – $5MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Tony Clark (38)
Carlos Delgado (38)
Nomar Garciaparra (36)
Ross Gload (34) – $2.6MM club option
Eric Hinske (32)
Nick Johnson (31)
Adam LaRoche (30)
Doug Mientkiewicz (36)
Kevin Millar (38)
Chad Tracy (30) – $7MM option with a $1MM buyout
Daryle Ward (35)
Dmitri Young (36) -$6MM option vests with 500 PAs in ‘09
Carlos Delgado, Nick Johnson, Russel Branyan, or Adam Laroche
The A Bomb
July 31st, 2009
5:15 pm
Wait a second, how much more comfort did ADDAM need with the Pirates. . . Heck his freaking brother was in the infield with him!
Poorjeff
July 31st, 2009
5:15 pm
Roachy has 2 months to improve his value for free agents. Lets just see what he does before we throw him under the bus. I’m betting he produces!
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
5:16 pm
I am be by myself but I understand this completely!
I’m be by myself too.
Luke H.
July 31st, 2009
5:17 pm
Wonder if Bill Hohn has already added Adam LaRoche to his hate list?
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 2009
5:18 pm
RE: Frank Wren: King of Bottom Feeders
I would hardly call Derek Lowe, Javier Vazquez, Nate McLouth bottom feeders…
Smoltzy
July 31st, 2009
5:18 pm
If anyone is seriously reading this blog lets try to make sense of the trade. The Braves found a way to add a player with some power. We did lose a great fielder in Kotchman but if the Braves were not going to tender him next year then in all honesty we made a good swap here. In reference to not getting a reliever like some might think we need ithink the following was the mentality; the Braves were waiting to see what we can get out of Huddy , if we are still in contention and we still have the waiver trade deadline a full month away.
alsim
July 31st, 2009
5:18 pm
So after LaRoche goes elsewhere in the offseason, basically all the Braves got for Mark Teixeira is Stephen Marek.
Remember they traded Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, Neftali Feliz and Beau Jones to Texas to get Teixeira. That’s right, five players for Stephen Marek.
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RHR
July 31st, 2009
5:18 pm
I mean, what about the bullpen? 1b? Really? A Gonzalez yes…Roachy? Meh. I guess we’ll see.
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
5:18 pm
I am be by myself but I understand this completely! coach smith
I think we’re all be by ourselves today.
keylargo
July 31st, 2009
5:18 pm
Jesus, what a damn joke of a trade. I get used to Kotchman, he starts to hit, so we trade him and bring back Sleepy. Bat Masterson
He always reminded me more of Dopey.
coach smith
July 31st, 2009
5:19 pm
I want to know how LaRoche “Left a bad taste in many people’s mouths” or why they wanted him to go so bad?
His last year here he hit 32 freakin HRs! had over 90RBI
why is that soooo horrible?
becuase he made one or two bone headed plays? jeez! KJ did that in one game last night and Escobar does it a good bit!
Now as a pitcher goes through the lineup he seriously has to worry about McLouth, Chipper, McCann, LaRoche, Escobar and to an extent Prado and GA taking them deep at any given time
pithcers had NO fear of Kotchman, that is why he had so few walks (especially hitting 8th)
having another power hitter will turn the lineup over more
I think Laroche will hit 6 or Maybe 7
Tomas
July 31st, 2009
5:19 pm
A Bomb, he hit 270, with 25 homeruns last year with basicly his brother batting behind him
President of Matt Diaz Fan Club
July 31st, 2009
5:20 pm
I guess Kotchman was the odd man out because he wasn’t a partner in Buck Commander: http://www.buckcommander.com/command_post/. Apparently C. Jones and LaRoche are good friends.
KotchWatch
July 31st, 2009
5:20 pm
Dmitri Young is going to retire. He won’t be playing first base.
brent a.
July 31st, 2009
5:21 pm
I think my favorite part of this blog is all the people who log on and are just now getting the news about the the trade – and reading their knee-jerk responses, almost 90 minutes into the discussion.
Mitch C
July 31st, 2009
5:21 pm
I liked the Laroche-Kotchman deal, until I read that Adam is a free agent after this year. Frank must be of the thinking that the only way we have a chance at the wild card, is to get a power bat. My question is: Who plays first base for us in 2010 if Adam leaves as a FA?
Good deal if we turn it on and make the wild card. Bad deal if we dont make it, and Laroche leaves as a FA.
Mitch
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
5:21 pm
Efrim,
Agreed. Wren looked at the possible FA first basemen and said, why not upgrade for the last two months of this year if it doesn’t cost us any (or much) cash?
Does make 2010 interesting.
The good news is, 2009 ain’t over yet!
BravesFanChris24
July 31st, 2009
5:21 pm
This move maybe a short term head scratcher, but long term, it give Braves what they need. Flexibility in payroll and also possible call ups for player some clamor for, say guys like Freeman/Heyward.
I think while it might be a short term head scratcher, it still has positives for short term (meaning this year).
Bat Masterson
July 31st, 2009
5:22 pm
Further than I was willing to go Keylargo.
P-Town Brave
July 31st, 2009
5:22 pm
Better idea if we plan on hitting Adam 4th (and also, I as well can not still fully grasp that I am discussing this):
McLouth
Prado
Jones
LaRoche
Escobar
McCann
Anderson/Diaz
Church/Diaz
I would also like to see Norton get the boot and look at possibly keeping Canizares and having him play 1-2 times a week if there is a lefty out there as Adam has been horrid against LHP.
groundfog
July 31st, 2009
5:22 pm
The Atlanta Pirates may have a shot at the playoffs now lol
Shamus Thacker
July 31st, 2009
5:23 pm
Are players now required to be social butterflies?
Tommy Lee always wanted to play baseball, lets put him at 1st!
If that doesn’t work-out, I hear Charlie Sheen is sick of doing sitcoms.
Frank Wren
July 31st, 2009
5:24 pm
This is all part of my evil plan to move Lowe to 1B next year and turn Yunel into our new closer!
monty
July 31st, 2009
5:25 pm
RC
BLAH,BLAH,BLAH on your 5:14 post!
If a frog had wings he’d fly! “Imagine this and imagine that” THis ain’t make believe! We can’t sit around waiting for Adam to get his mojo back. The fact is we dealt a “hot guy” for a “cold guy”(try ice cold, worse month than Frenchy ever had probably) at an inopportune time, while we are trying to win the wildcard! And we are calling it an “upgrade”? Some of you will fall for anything! Thats just me. You are welcome to pie in the sky fairy tales if you wish. Lets hope for all of us who care about the Braves that Adam can somehow flip a switch!
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 2009
5:25 pm
alsim,
Or look at it the way I did. They traded Casey Kotchman and Brett Lillibridge for Javy Vazquez and Mike Gonzalez.
You make the call.
Atticus
July 31st, 2009
5:25 pm
Upgrade?? The dude has a HUGE hole in his swing. He is NOT a clutch hitter. At least Kotchman shows some clutch lately. Look at what Laroche did in July, he sucks. I couldn’t stand to wacth him strikeout all the time then, even less so now.
brent a.
July 31st, 2009
5:26 pm
my guess is that Kotch was not traded because of “clubhouse issues” but rather; Brian Jordan was simply mentioning that Kotch was a loner as part of his parting shots in regards to the trade.
That said, when you consider that Kotch was a loner, and LaRoche is so popular because he hunts and cuts the crotch out of Chipper’s sliding pants, Wren thought it would be a good idea to get LaRoche back for the same amount of money as he was paying Kotchman, and see what happens.
LaRoche homers tomorrow . . .
Fluffy McNutter
July 31st, 2009
5:26 pm
I’d trot this lineup out there, FWIW…
1. McLouth
2. Prado
3. Chipper
4. McCann
5. Escobar
6. GA
7. LaRoche
8. Diaz/Church
Escobar has actually hit RHP better (.336-8-43 with .905 OPS) than LHP (.238-3-15 w/.705 OPS) this season. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7938/splits;_ylt=AlrnZFmt_GnHECOlADQDDXWFCLcF
Marc in FL
July 31st, 2009
5:26 pm
I like Laroche, my wife likes him, I hope he succeeds for us this year. But this trade really doesn’t make much sense. It’s a gamble that Laroche is going to have a huge second half, I hope he does, for all of our sakes!
TnBrian
July 31st, 2009
5:26 pm
I reckon the Braves feel the pen is fine for now or they’re still shopping around for a cheap MRP of somekind… at least an effective one and I don’t know how cheap those guys are. LaRoche is kind of a low risk, high reward guy. He can be a little unpredictable with the bat but you know he’ll hit more HR’s than Kotch. Just a step below defensively.
Shamus Thacker
July 31st, 2009
5:26 pm
Where’s that bus!? I’m ready to throw La Wretch under it, IMMEDIATELY!
jeffrey d
July 31st, 2009
5:27 pm
I am be by myself but I understand this completely! coach smith
I think we’re all be by ourselves today
Atticus
July 31st, 2009
5:27 pm
4 straight years……no playoffs Frank. Keep bitching about Atlanta fans not supporting the team….and keep missing the playoffs.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 31st, 2009
5:27 pm
RC: if they trade Vasquez, Frank Wren should be hung.
Trade KK to anyone stupid enough to take him and his salary. The Braves cannot exercise the option on Hudson: too much money, and they have to re-sign Gonzalez and Soriano.
A rotation of Lowe, Vazquez, Jurrjens, Hanson, and Medlen will more than suffice for 2010. With Hudson, Francoeur, Anderson, Church, Kotchman, Norton, Diaz, Ross, and LaRoche gone this winter, the Braves will save a TON of $$$’s by not extending contracts or arbitration to these folks.
Using KJ (if they still want him in LF for 2010), Heyward, Cañizares, Blanco, B. Jones, Schafer, Sammons, and Conrad will also save lots of bench money. If Schafer gets it together, even McClouth would become expendable for 2010.
The freed-up money could be used to also sign Escobar and Jurrjens long-term, as well as keep a formidable rotation intact (Vazquez is gone after 2010, saving more millions to sign Hanson long-term) and keeping the tandem of Gonzo/Scowl in our bullpen.
semiballcoach
July 31st, 2009
5:27 pm
wren about to be on 680
monty
July 31st, 2009
5:27 pm
brent A
way to pat your own arse on the back! LOL
wheelz007
July 31st, 2009
5:28 pm
Here’s a good question:
Why would the Red Sox want Casey Kotchman?
I have thought about this and thought about this for about 30 minutes…. the only thing I can come up with:
Kotchman’s low salary.
Does anyone else wonder the same thing?
groundfog
July 31st, 2009
5:28 pm
Wren up next on 680
driver8
July 31st, 2009
5:28 pm
Frank Wren explains everything on The Buck and Kincaid Show – 680 The Fan in a few minutes for those interested in explanation on the trade.
Vinings Jim
July 31st, 2009
5:28 pm
Wren on 680 in five minutes (theoretically)
Samuel
July 31st, 2009
5:28 pm
Yay! Kotch has a higher average! Woo! Even with that higher average, his slugging percentage is still lower than LaRoche’s.
isoSLG (2009, Career)
Kotch – .127, .140
LaRoche – .198, .217
What do the Braves need? Power. What did the Braves get? More Power.
P-Town Brave
July 31st, 2009
5:28 pm
Maybe Barbaro fills that RH bench bat I was looking for, but I seriously doubt I have that much confidence there as he is a rookie AND heck, Diory certainly didn’t translate his game well from AAA to the bigs…
Either way, just a strange group of events today…
Anyone have any idea how bad the lineup is going to look tonight?!
McLouth
Johnson
Jones
McCann
Canizares
Anderson
Diaz
Hernandez
Oy vey!
Atticus
July 31st, 2009
5:29 pm
brent, it is not the same amount as Kotch. Laroche makes 7 mil, Kotch 2mil. FA at the end of the year, Kotch I think has two more.
But you don’t make this deal in the middle of the chase when we have been hot.
AlabamaBrave
July 31st, 2009
5:30 pm
Is Yunel out for sure tonight?
NC Braves Fan
July 31st, 2009
5:32 pm
Will be interesting to hear what Wren has to say. It sure sounds like Kotchman was going to be non-tendered, because at least to me it doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to do the trade otherwise.
He must not have fit in. But who knows for sure?
tralfaz
July 31st, 2009
5:32 pm
“Look at what Laroche did in July, he sucks. I couldn’t s