12:27 pm July 31, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
August 1st, 20098:05 pm
Nice to see Adam help us win todays game………he was right in the middle of everything……..
Any word on when is yunel coming back?
Haven’t heard that since I lived in Raleigh!
August 1st, 20098:08 pm
Oooo! You going that rout? You wanna piece of me?
He doesn’t fear the Reaper…the Reaper fears him. Notice he hasn’t gotten on base much against the Braves this year–he’s worried about some payback!
you don’t think MFIKY would hurt Riaan, do you?
As long as he doesn’t tell him his name is spelled Riaan he should be fine.
August 1st, 20098:11 pm
LOL! Good stuff about the coloring…
Doc H. Winning on Mc’s day of with Lowe on the mound is always a plus.
I have it on good authority that Victorino lobbied to keep McCann from playing in the All-Star because he’s such a wuss!
August 1st, 20098:13 pm
Do you watch games when McCann does not play? or do you just do scoreboard watching?
Roman Gal Oh, yes! She loved her some Kotchman. I’m not sure if her Braves fan-hood will survive this…
Hey, just introduce her to another player…I hear we’ve got a catcher on our big league roster that’s pretty cute…
August 1st, 20098:14 pm
Yeah sorry McFann, Mac’s good and all, and I luff him and all, but scary he ain’t. Nobody is worried about any payback from Mac. Unless he accidentally flops on them while sliding.
I was a stud during my watercolor days.
Yeah, man…I’ll bet you had all those kindergarten girls inviting you over to their nap-mat.
August 1st, 20098:15 pm
Hey, just introduce her to another player… McFann
She likes McLouth, too. Her first ever Braves game just so happened to be McLouth’s first ever Braves game…
Win tomorrow, win the series.
August 1st, 20098:16 pm
Mixxo: the place hasn’t been the same since you left! Who are you again?
Romangal: Kotchman? Really? I thoughts chicks dug the longball.
August 1st, 20098:17 pm
Two more errorless games at first base since the trade on Friday…
August 1st, 20098:18 pm
I’m with McFann – we gotta hook RGs roomy up.
August 1st, 20098:19 pm
Bobby’s Cox – the girl is not a big fan of flying – regardless of class
August 1st, 20098:20 pm
I’ll reference you to my 7:40 post. Needless to say, after that incident we got “check up” on quite a bit by the staff.
Hey, cut me some slack. Smack-talking/snappy comebacks have never been my fortes.
Sure I watch them…just not with the same intensity. (And if I happen to be in here Blogging when the other team comes up to bat, it’s not as urgent to get back to the TV…)
McLouth…eh, he’s not bad…
Her first ever Braves game just so happened to be McLouth’s first ever Braves game…
Well, that helps, I s’pose.
going to the san diego game on tuesday night. and going to do the stadium tour in the morning
August 1st, 20098:21 pm
will be going to wednesdays game in SD and all the games in LA
August 1st, 20098:22 pm
NCBravesFan Kotchman? Really? I thoughts chicks dug the longball.
That’s a myth. Chicks dig the two-baggers!
Cubs vs reds
Phi vs COL
SF vs HOU
FLA vs NATS
So SF and COL might lose some games to start next week……..Looks like the cubs are in the drivers sit.
Don’t forget, the Cards are in first by but 0.5 games. Their next games are: Astros (playing now), Mets, Pirates, Reds, and Padres.
Lets just hope the Cubs/Cards keep going back and forth so much in the division that in the end one wins the Central while the other is left out of the playoffs completely.
August 1st, 20098:23 pm
Have to agree with your roomie RG, Kotch was a fav of mine with the Angels and with the Braves
Hanley Ramirez is limping.
August 1st, 20098:24 pm
I am that “famous” soundman who worked with Nantucket & The Embers way back when.
Oh….and when I “came up” with Doc Holliday (A&M records), we moved up there for a while. Had a HUGE bandhouse off I-40 out by the airport. There went the neighborhood!
McFann: I love a good double-entendre. Touche’!
Rob from SC
August 1st, 20098:25 pm
Now that the trade deadline is over, the Steven Strasburg watch begins?
August 1st, 20098:26 pm
Mixxo: I was the bouncer there. You & Doc are lucky to be alive.
Speaking of two-baggers…
This time last year, BMac had 28, finished with 42. He’s got 27 so far this year…I’d take 42 again, but he really needs to hit 21 more and nab that record!
August 1st, 20098:27 pm
Don’t know if this was posted yesterday or not…mlb.com’s mid-season list.
Top 25 Prospect List
August 1st, 20098:28 pm
RBI doubles are the best! Would have LOVED a double with two outs and the bases loaded last night…
August 1st, 20098:29 pm
Kotch was a fav of mine with the Angels and with the Braves
I remember reading after we got him from the Angels how many fans loved him. Honestly, having seen him for a year, I’m a little surprised he was so loved…GA, too.
Hey, Blog, where’d those other six posts go?
August 1st, 20098:30 pm
The Braves have a really odd schedule after their august 9th game against the Dodgers…
-Two games series Tues thru Wed (Was)
-Three game seres Fri thru Sun (Phi)
I get the off day on Monday coming from the west coast…but the 2 game series with an off day after that seems odd.
McFann – yeah I hear you. Last night stunk.
I still think we’ve got a run left in us. We just gotta get Yunel back in there (and McCann of course).
August 1st, 20098:31 pm
Ga wasnt so loved in recent years, lotta Angel fans still miss kotch tho, GA? not at all
Oh, I know. I can’t stand those. It’s just like the beginning of the season when they had Opening Night, day off…next two games, day off. Just odd.
lol McFann, you will always get slack from me.
August 1st, 20098:32 pm
RomanGal – he hit a little better in Anaheim as I recall – who knows … maybe he’s an AL kind of guy. I hope he does well – seemed like a nice enough guy. And certainly not a hussy.
August 1st, 20098:33 pm
I’m sort-of indifferent towards Loaf. I liked him when he was our designated hitter during interleague play, and I think he’s alright batting (now), but I hate, Hate, HATE him playing in the outfield!!!
August 1st, 20098:34 pm
I was the bouncer there. You & Doc are lucky to be alive. – NCBravesFan
We used to beat up billy bad-a$$ed bikers at this burlesque joint right down the street from The Switch. They thought us hippies were a buncha pushovers. We stole their girlfriends too.
Hanley is out of the game.
It took a while but Escobar is avenged!!
Where’s Carroll? Did MFIKY get to her?!
August 1st, 20098:35 pm
RG you are singin to the choir
I’m almost more ticked that he swung at that first pitch than I am about the miss-call…he’s gotten so many calls go against him this year I’ve almost–almost–gotten used to it.
I think they’ve got a run in them, too. I know they cann do it!
e just gotta get Yunel back in there (and McCann of course).
Of course. And BMac has to do a little better with men on base. He’s left a ton of guys stranded lately. (Thank heavens for Thursday’s homer…he blows that one, and they most likely lose…)
cabravesfan – in case you didn’t know – wait a minute, why do I hear water running?
August 1st, 20098:36 pm
And certainly not a hussy.
Haha. I dunno…
Thanks. I appreciate that.
Wow…just started pouring. This is rather random…
August 1st, 20098:38 pm
Any news about when is yunel coming back
I am that “famous” soundman who worked with Nantucket & The Embers way back when
Knew a dude who used to boast that the lead singer of Nantucket gave him a boat. Don’t what happened to the boat, but unfortunately the dude committed murder and is doing life now
August 1st, 20098:40 pm
while it is true I am not a fan of flying, I suppose if I had someone to talk me through, combined with the free alcohol in 1st class, I just might be able to make it
maybe it’s raining?
August 1st, 20098:42 pm
Allrighty – time to go read a book for a conference I’m going to this month – y’all have a good night! Let’s go get those Dodgers tomorrow!
August 1st, 20098:44 pm
Here’s to a series win tomorrow…..lets go get ‘em!
August 1st, 20098:49 pm
“Ga wasnt so loved in recent years, lotta Angel fans still miss kotch tho, GA? not at all”
Which is funny since Anderson is a better player here at the end of his career than Kotchman is in his prime.
August 1st, 20098:51 pm
Braveheart, that’s a very good point about baserunning as well. Either our FO is really up-to-date with such statistical numbers (RIP FJM) or that’s just a lucky coincidence.
Lucky coincidence or have the scouts and sabermetricians been saying the same thing along? If you look at the 20/80 scouting scale it basically says the same thing as VORP or WAR. It just doesn’t attach run values.
But if you look the definition of a 40 on the scale, they’re basically replacement level players. 50 is average. 60 is a star. 70 is an annual all star. 80 is a superstar HOF MVP kind of guy.
Kind of the same thing with WAR and VORP. For every 20 runs you go up, WAR & VORP essentially say the same thing. So you could say that for every 10 points on the scouting scale above 40, the scouts are saying you are 20 runs or 2 wins more valuable than the guy graded out at 40.
So when Keith Law said the other day in his chat that he projects Freeman as a 55, does that mean Law projects Freeman as a 3 WAR kind of player?
Of course, though, that just deals with a general overall assessment of runs per every 10 points on the 20/80. It’s preferable to assess run value to each individual component of the scouting scale. I guess to do that, you have to see how many runs the most valuable guys are above average.
So if the top baserunners are worth about 10 runs more than average and 50 is average on the scouting scale, you could maybe say that for every 10 points a scout gives you in the 20/80 above 50, he’s essentially saying you are adding 3.3 runs of value to your team with your baserunning. A guy scouted out at 80 would be worth 10 runs above average, a guy at 70 would be worth 6.6 runs above average, a dude at 60 would be worth 3.3 runs above average, a guy at 40 would be worth -3.3 RAA, a guy at 30 would be worth -6 RAA, and a guy at 20 would be worth -10 RAA.
So if Laroche is seen as an average baserunner, a scout would grade him out at 50 as a baserunner. And if they see Kotchman as a particularly poor baserunner, they could grade him out at 30. I guess you could say it’s a lucky coincidence that as a -6 baserunner, Kotchman is worth about a 30 on the scouting scale, or you could marvel at the way the scouts have been intuitively doing this all these years without knowing the exact run values.
Take this with a grain of salt obviously. I don’t know what Laroche or Kotchman are graded out at on the 20/80 and I don’t know the exact run values assessed for every 5 or 10 point increase or decrease above 40 and/or 50 on the 20/80. But I think you get the general idea of what I’m trying to say.
But here’s a nice little inexact ballpark kind of thing for the overall value relating runs and/or wins to the 20/80:
40 + (WAR*5.25) = overall grade on the 20/80
If you do that formula for last season, overall Chipper graded out as an 80, Tex 75, McCann 70, Yunel 55, KJ 50, Frenchy 33
August 1st, 20098:55 pm
CHIPPER: USE A LIGHTER BAT. Stop being so stubborn and face facts: You are getting older and you need better bat speed. All the great hitters have made adjustments over time especially over the age of 36.
August 1st, 20098:56 pm
I’m still hoping you’re gonna go take that first Pilot lesson and overcome all this irrational fear!
August 1st, 20098:59 pm
can’t see that happening any time soon, sorry
What’s the record for the biggest drop in batting average from one season to the next for a batting titlist?
August 1st, 20099:03 pm
Carroll’s been filing stories for print. you know how this works….anyway, some quotes, at last! And for all the bashing Norton takes on this blog, you must know that your impressions would change if you knew him. But he was great after the game…Here’s a taste, and unlike for print, you guys get the unabridged version:
“It’s weird because I had a conversation in TP in Florida while we were working early saying it wasn’t necessarily the struggles, it’s that I haven’t felt like I produced for the team or come through for the team all year,” Norton said. “He said keep doing your work and battle through it and you will. Not saying I’ve turned the corner but when I started pinch hitting, I think I told you guys last year when I first got here: Mike Lum, the old Brave, said it’s not your average, it’s how many big hits you’re able to get for the team. I’m glad I was able to help today for the first time all year. It has been frustrating. I’m not going to lie about that.”
“There’s a different atmosphere with this team this year,” Norton said. “I think that we’ve played well as of late. The pitching has been there all year and since I’ve come back off the DL, the offense has been there, and I think that you just want to pull your own weight. When you come in the clubhouse and you feel like you haven’t done anything all year. It’s frustrating. I was in the video room with Chip and TP yesterday looking at some left-handed at-bats. It was the pitch I got a hit off last night that I struck out on on the road. trying to make adjustments and see how things turn out.”
August 1st, 20099:04 pm
have it on good authority that he usually smiles during his murderous rampages (RG)
I think that is more like a sneer
August 1st, 20099:05 pm
Many of you have been complaining about Frank Wren signing Kawakami to a 3 year, $23 mil contract. Also, I’ve heard others say that the Braves overpaid for Derek Lowe at 4 years, $60 mil.
However, how would you feel if Frank Wren had signed the Mets’ Oliver Perez to a 3 year, $36 mil contract?
The Mets are up 4-3 going in the bottom of the 5th inning, however Perez has thrown 112 pitches.
Coming into tonight, Perez has 10 starts, 2-3 record, 48 innings pitched, 51 hits, 45 walks, 43 strikeouts, 8 homers given up, with an ERA of 7.17. All for $12 mil a season. And he isnt even averaging 5 innings a start. Talk about “taxing a bullpen”.
August 1st, 20099:06 pm
I bet McFann would go take that introductory flight. I can see her as Capt. McFann – flying the Braves Charter in a few years.
Steve from OH
Braveheart, when FW offers you a job with the front office, put in a good word for me when I apply for the team doctor gig, ok?
I think you raise a really good point, but I would point out that for tools like baserunning and fielding, that type of integration works really well, but I dunno about hitting. Of course, you can always put a grade on a hit tool, power tool, etc., but sometimes tools don’t always translate to production (see: Komminsk, Brad or Francoeur, Jeff) and that’s what I’d like to see more from the FO–using statistical evidence to place a value on a player’s bat–not that I think they don’t, it’s just that they’re not very forthcoming about how exactly they evaluate things like that. Frankly, I love the way they scout, and I’ll take their scouting assessments on baserunning and fielding in particular all day over UZR and EqBRR, and I love how they evaluate their own players and their own system. But when it comes to statistical analysis of major league players, I’m not so sure. But I think that’s more due to the anecdotal things I hear as opposed to concrete evidence, so this might all be moot. I’d really love to know how they place a value on a player, in both wins and dollars.
But yeah, really clever stuff using a scouting scale to estimate WAR. Good stuff.
August 1st, 20099:08 pm
Derek Lowe pointed out how things really fell into place for the Braves in the sixth inning. The wild pickoff throw gets LaRoche to second, Hernandez drives LaRoche in, but if Martin catches that ball, he’s probably out. Hernandez takes second on the throw. If he’d been at first, Lowe was going up to hit, but with him moving into scoring position, Bobby hits Norton.
“It was very fortunate, very lucky,” Lowe said. “(But) doesn’t matter luck or unluck, we needed the win, were able to beat a very good team and a very good pitcher.”
Also, heard after the game that the umpire down the first baseline admitted he blew the call on Andre Ethier’s ball down the right field line in the first inning. that could have changed things, no doubt.
August 1st, 20099:09 pm
Just got back from Turner Field …what a crowd and a great win for the Bravos. It was nice to see the place all but sold out! Had to say the Nate play in CF witht the nice catch and the DP saved the day and again the bullpen was stubborn. All and all a beautiful day to watch baseball with good friends and the Braves came through with a must win. All is well…at least for one day.
The A Bomb
Carroll. . . After hearing that Kotchman was not a good fit in the clubhouse, the only assumption I made is that Norton had to be an AMAZING clubhouse guy.
August 1st, 20099:10 pm
Who…me? Shoot, I’ve never even been on an airplane!
August 1st, 20099:11 pm
FLA back in the game…only down 6-5 now.
Also, I’ve heard others say that the Braves overpaid for Derek Lowe at 4 years, $60 mil.
Can’t judge a contract relative to one other bad contract. It looks like Lowe will be worth close to his contract value this year, but find more concrete evidence than “Lowe vs. Perez.”
August 1st, 20099:12 pm
Yeah, Hurdle’s Boy wasn’t having a very good game…
Also, heard after the game that the umpire down the first baseline admitted he blew the call on Andre Ethier’s ball down the right field line in the first inning.
Yeah, see, SOME umpires admit it when they missed a call…
August 1st, 20099:14 pm
And finally, LaRoche…..He was up most of the night packing, had the car come to get him at 6:30 a.m. then waited four hours in the Boston airport. The delay was over tired pilots from the storms Friday night. He was tired, but happy tho….
“I was a little tired out there, but coming back home gave me a spark of energy for nine innings,” said LaRoche who was 2-for-3 with a walk, scored the tying run and made several nice plays at first. “It felt good.”
I asked that’s what it felt like? Coming home? to which he said yes and….
“It’s weird,” LaRoche said. “I’m standing there next to Bobby on deck, and I’m looking around and I’m like ‘Man, it feels like I never left.’ It feels like I was gone for a month or two, three years later wind up back here. This turned out great. I’m not going to lie and say Boston wasn’t fun, I did not see this coming at all. But if I was going to go anywhere from Boston, this is where I’d want to be. Couldn’t have drawn it up any better.”
That’s a strange thing to hear these days that someone has never been on an airplane. Not making fun by all means hopefully family and friends were so close a flight was never needed and vacations were only a short drive away.
August 1st, 20099:15 pm
A bomb, it doesn’t hurt you. I can tell you that much….
August 1st, 20099:16 pm
Carroll Rogers………..again, I have no doubt that Greg Norton is a “nice guy”. When I refer to him as a “BUM”, its nothing personal. Its a reflection of his ability to hit and help the Braves win.
Also, I’m sure that he is a hard worker and trying to do what he can to perform better. Again, as harsh as this may sound, it’s all irrelevant if he cant play well enough to help us win ballgames.
Still, my concern is whether today’s hit in the clutch was a “one time thing”….or if it is something that he can do for the rest of the season. Also of concern is the lack of power from Norton. A double or homer every now and then would be nice to see from a pinch hitter. That is one of the reasons why I liked Brooks Conrad. Dude did exhibit a little pop in his limited time with the Braves.
If Norton can turn it around, I’ll be glad to admit I’m wrong about him being finished. After all, I would rather be wrong and see the Braves win…..then to be right and see the Braves lose as a result of it.
Interesting show on the History Channel right now as well…
August 1st, 20099:17 pm
Sorry to be so quick on and off, but I’m gonna go enjoy my night for a bit. I’ll post a new blog in the middle of the day tomorrow. though we might be up to page 50 by then!
THIS JUST IN. . .
Fox Sports South is extremely busy editing tomorrow night’s 25 GREATEST BRAVES MOMENTS. . . .
Because moving in at NUMBER 24. . . Diory Hernandez and Greg Norton with hits in consecutive games to move their combined average above the Mendoza line. . .
Sources say the moment that dropped out of the top 25 was Terry Harper separating his shoulder waving someone home. Confirmation upcoming.
And as a special treat for all of us. . . analysis on all 25 moments by Billy Hohn, Angel Hernandez, Joe West and Gary Darling.
Set your TiVos now (because there’s a game).
cabravesfan – big night on the town, or are you gearing up for next weekend?
“Norton must be great in the clubhouse.”
I heard he gives great back rubs!
August 1st, 20099:19 pm
Paul, I don’t think Norton would argue with that. He knows more than anybody how little he’s produced this season….But I’d say things are looking up when the big huge arguments on the blog these days are about one or two guys coming off the bench.
But I’d say things are looking up when the big huge arguments on the blog these days are about one or two guys coming off the bench.
My point exactly.
August 1st, 20099:20 pm
sadly no plans tonight…just trying to figure out what to have for dinner
Next weekend will be much busier- going to Saturday & Sunday games with friends…really looking to seeing my Braves play in person finally
Thanks for the quotes, Ms. Rogers!
I mean it wasn’t like CAsey was Terrell Owens!
August 1st, 20099:21 pm
Who…me? Shoot, I’ve never even been on an airplane! – McFann :Ô:
Yikes! Say it ain’t so Ms. Fanny!
I gotta take you up sometime then. Nothin’ like it.
Steve from OH –
I was just checking that out as well. Very interesting show. Have to give it up to the History Channel they have some excellent shows.
August 1st, 20099:23 pm
Driver8–yeah, they do a nice job. Don’t watch too much TV outside of the Braves, and practically none in the offseason, but when I hear of a good series on HC I usually make time to watch.
What’s got into Matt Holliday since he’s been with the Cards? 2 bombs tonight.
August 1st, 20099:26 pm
I guess that Holiday trade is working out really nicely for the Cards, huh?
.586/.649/.897/1.545 with 1HR, 6 2B and 8 RBI in 8 games coming into tonights games….
Adding to that tonight going 3 for 4 with 2 HR and 2 RBI.
He won’t keep this up the rest of the season, but I’d say the Cards are getting their money’s worth (and prospects’ worth) so far.
August 1st, 20099:27 pm
cabravesfan – I know the feeling(s) – I just had a nice New York strip – wish I could share the half I have here.
Braves fans (the ones I’m talking about are “those fans”, not all of them) aren’t the only ones who go madly insane when everything doesn’t go perfect.
From a Cubs message board speaking about the game today (Cubs .5 games out of first in the division, 1 game out in the Wild Card mind you, so really they have nothing to complain about)
“This team is a <F****** JOKE. Look for the Marlins to take the lead this inning… “
August 1st, 20099:28 pm
It’s so. But I’m sure I’ll get on one someday. Would love to go out to Washington (state) or Alaska to see the wildlife up there–just love wolves, Bald Eagles foxes…all that good stuff!
I like the looks of this lineup…
If it was me I would be working on KJ in RF and platoon him with Matty and let Church hit the road. Bring Conrad back up for back up infield.
August 1st, 20099:29 pm
I’ve never feared flying, though being incinerated by a tumbling bonfire of wings, fuselage, jet fuel, and folks, does concern me. My nephew downloads crash videos so he can send them to me pre-flight. So comforting, and such a nice kid…
Forgot the comma after Bald Eagles in my last post. How embarrassing…
August 1st, 20099:30 pm
Shamus My nephew downloads crash videos so he can send them to me pre-flight. So comforting, and such a nice kid…
Sounds like a barrel of laughs…
Carroll Rogers………….it is nice to know that you think that Greg Norton would agree with me.
Still, I do not think that the 24th and 25th men on the roster are not significant enough to worry about. Having pinch hitters on the bench who can put some “fear” into the opposing pitcher is important. With a team like the Phillies, having a Greg Dobbs and a Matt Stairs “affects” how the other team pitches to the hitter or hitters that precede the potential pinch hitting move.
Another reason I liked Brooks Conrad is his flexibility with where he can play. If Norton was hitting like he was last year, then I could more than accept the fact that he isnt much of a defensive presence.
August 1st, 20099:31 pm
The Braves traded for LaRoche for the specific purpose of getting he patented second half surges…which alway represent that of a 4-hole guy. For that reason, I see no reason why he shouldn’t be batting 4th either. Batting behind Prado and Chipper and in front of McCann and Escobar, he should get a lot of good pitches to hit….and hit for power.
August 1st, 20099:34 pm
Andrew McClutchen, centerfielder for the Pirates, has 3 homers already. 11-4 Pirates top of the 8th. He should get one more at-bat.
Lucky me that I picked him as my centerfielder tonight on my fantasy team.
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