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HeywardTheFuture
August 1st, 2009
2:08 pm
Amen Reality, Kotch’s defense is so overrated because his speed makes him dive for so many balls.
McFann: Freeman and Heyward are both left handed. But they both hit LHP really well.
McFann Ô
August 1st, 2009
2:08 pm
Steve from OH–
Oh, man…so we gotta wait forever before we get another righty! RSF won’t be ready for years…
Robert
August 1st, 2009
2:09 pm
“Although I’m reading 4 months is a good recovery time for the MF surgery”
You’re READING? Well, that’s progress. Tho if I were you I wouldnt throw the coloring books away just yet
McFann Ô
August 1st, 2009
2:09 pm
HeywardTheFuture But they both hit LHP really well.
Well, that’s good to know, at least.
Of course, some players could hit lefties well enough at one point…then all of the sudden he decided to stop…
Reality
August 1st, 2009
2:11 pm
I’m surprised there isn’t a lineup yet.
McFann – Posts are getting strangely eaten, edited, and all kinds of stuff today, it’s weird.
Gone Viral
August 1st, 2009
2:12 pm
“Another guy that just loved playing for Cox”
But hated walls…
Brokeback Mountain II: Adam and Chipper
August 1st, 2009
2:12 pm
You guys ready for the sequel?
Steve from OH
August 1st, 2009
2:12 pm
Yeah Robert, got my Clinically Oriented Anatomy book in front of me now and a few journal articles open on the browser…and getting ready to write for a study myself and a few others are working on. But that’s just a morning’s work for you, right? I mean, your IQ is sooo good, right?
Shamus Thacker
August 1st, 2009
2:15 pm
McFann, how long’s it been since your hard-drive was defragmented or you cache cleared?
McFann Ô
August 1st, 2009
2:16 pm
Reality–
Yep. It’s being extra odd today.
Maybe Ms. Rogers is trying to post the lineup but the Blog is eating it.
Brokeback Mountain II: Adam and Chipper
August 1st, 2009
2:16 pm
When is the next day off? Time for a camping trip to Oklahoma
wjones
August 1st, 2009
2:16 pm
ESPN has LaRoche as #22, is this true Carroll?
“The Kotch-apologists are going to kill themselves if this is the case.
Also, if anyone here actually thinks that Kotchman is anywhere near the level that LaRoche is on needs to get their head examined pronto.”
I’ll post your usual daily post. “Kotchman kills us”. Because look how great we did without him lsat night!
What are you going to say when this trade blows up? I’m hoping it doesn’t, but I don’t like it at all. Since Kotchman just finished a month as one of our best hitters, and also hitting 4 homers, LaRoche has to hit 8 homers to make it a good deal, plus post at least a .280 avg and .350 obp. Otherwise, with his k’s and his learning curve with the infielders, I don’t see how it helped.
McFann Ô
August 1st, 2009
2:17 pm
Shamus–
It uh…well, it’s, uh…
I’m sorry, what now?
Robert
August 1st, 2009
2:21 pm
“Yeah Robert, got my Clinically Oriented Anatomy book ”
You dont need the book. I assure you that’s your ying-yang you’re playing with
HeywardTheFuture
August 1st, 2009
2:21 pm
LOL. How can this trade possibly blow up?
worst case scenario – LaRoche is average offensively thus being better than Kotchman
best case scenario – LaRoche puts up his career .900 OPS after the ASB and blows Kotchman out of the water.
Looks like a win-win to me. I’m baffled by all of the Kotchman supporters. Defense is important but if you can’t score runs you have no chance of winning, and it’s not like LaRoche is that much of a downgrade defensively.
semiballcoach
August 1st, 2009
2:22 pm
shamus—you don’t have to defrag the commodore 64
braves4ever
August 1st, 2009
2:22 pm
Carroll, we need some good substance game updates here, the blog when left to roll along with any good input from you all tends to get like a toddler with a 30 second focus, they lose it. Look at the mindless clutter we have the last few hours. Especially from that Robert who always wakes up from a bad dream and says some stuff that, well I or nobody can explain. whew
Come on give us some game day data to chew on.
Steve from OH
August 1st, 2009
2:23 pm
Awww, is that the best you can do?
JBoog1285
August 1st, 2009
2:25 pm
Here is the lineup ladies and gents:
1. McLouth
2. Prado
3. Jones
4. Anderson
5. LaRoche
6. Diaz
7. Ross
8. Hernandez
9. Lowe
Robert
August 1st, 2009
2:26 pm
“Awww, is that the best you can do? ”
Certainly not. But I wanna keep things at a level you can understand
Steve from OH
August 1st, 2009
2:26 pm
Try me, Robert. Seriously, reply as you would to a person of your supposed IQ.
Shamus Thacker
August 1st, 2009
2:27 pm
McFann, those are a couple routine maintenance items that keep your puter at peak performance. Failure to at least occasionally defragment hard-drive and delete cache (temporary Internet files, short-term memory) can really bog-down your system.
dogsbrekky
August 1st, 2009
2:28 pm
Robert – you try just a little too hard to sound intelligent and for a one trick hating pony like you, we will just assume you are not !
Off you go now mate, spread your hatred elsewhere.
Wren in Doubt
August 1st, 2009
2:29 pm
Folks get back to us after LaRoche strikes out with RISP two or three times in a game as he is want to do. Last I looked Kotchman had driven in two and scored the third run in our last win. He constantly put wood on the ball something that will be a faint memory with LaRoche at first.
But at least we have him at first – wait until next spring when panic sets in when Wren and his band of idiots realize a kid barely out of his teens isn’t ready ready for the major leagues. Hello Craig Wilson or the 2010 version of him.
McFann Ô
August 1st, 2009
2:31 pm
Shamus–
Ah…um…OK.
JBoog1285–
Thanks…guess Ross is gonna play, then…
Robert
August 1st, 2009
2:33 pm
Steve, all you ever have to say is that you think I’m an idiot. Or you get on me for abusing someone who laid into me first
I am expressing my opinion as to what’s wrong with the team, and how to fix it. You dont like it, you are free to disagree, but you’re not liking what I have to say doesnt make me dumb
And get on the guy who started in with me – if you find response to him insulting or someone distasteful to you, then tell him not to start in with me next time
And I’ll add that a lot of dumb people arent lacking in IQ, but rather in common sense – so keep that in mind before you try and gloat about a test score you got in the second grade (see, I am even assuming that someone once told you you have a reasonable IQ)
If you want anything resembling more respect from me, you’re gonna have to earn it. And calling me dumb aint gonna cut that requirement
Robert
August 1st, 2009
2:34 pm
“Robert – you try just a little too hard to sound intelligent and for a one trick hating pony like you, we will just assume you are not”
It is your right to continue being and acting stupid and not my place to intervene
Carry on chief
BravoMan
August 1st, 2009
2:34 pm
Line-up makes since to me. I think McCann could use a day off.
Can’t watch it tho…..Darn you FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shamus Thacker
August 1st, 2009
2:34 pm
What version of Windows you got McFann?
Bobby's Cox
August 1st, 2009
2:35 pm
That might be because thats their business…………analyze men Doc
I don’t know Doc, yes RG does have this strange fascination with this Dijon dude, and McFann with McCann, but for the most part, at least the girls on here are able to separate their crushes and see what’s better for the team. The dudes seem to have stronger crushes on the players and won’t back down. Could be the whole ego thing.
HeywardTheFuture
August 1st, 2009
2:35 pm
It’s going to be epically funny when LaRoche matches Kotch’s season homerun total in a month and everyone shuts up about how great Kotchman supposedly is.
You Kotch people are pathetic. The guy is a horrible offensive player. Oh my God, he has a higher batting average. Give me a break.
Bobby's Cox
August 1st, 2009
2:37 pm
OH Steve,
What do you think about the LaRoche trade?
Robert
August 1st, 2009
2:38 pm
Let’s go back to something you said last night – when you said that next time you’d just tell me that whatever decision was made was correct because Cox said so
Thing is, you already operate under that principle. To you, he is infallible. Nothing can be his fault. He can do no wrong. Even if he puts the wrong guy out there at the wrong time, it was the player’s fault if he failed
There’s no reasoning with that closed mind-set. Open your eyes. Hundreds of players have come and gone thru the organization since the middle of 1990. Did ALL of them suddenly become incompentent in the playoffs all by their lonesome? Did all these guys just let poor old Donk down time and again?
By your reasoning, the anser is yes
By mine, when one simple answer will do, it’s more likely to be the truth than hundreds of seperate excuses and rationalizations
McFann Ô
August 1st, 2009
2:38 pm
Shamus
Heh heh…actually, we have a Mac.
BravoMan Line-up makes since to me. I think McCann could use a day off.
I agree…
bravesfanforever
August 1st, 2009
2:41 pm
I honestly do not understand the trade for LaRoche. Not that my argument has anything to do with ability. I think LaRoche CAN be a better hitter overall but a marginal upgrade really doesn’t do much for us and will he leave after this season? I don’t think it’s automatic that he is leaving and I don’t know who started that. Who is to say that he won’t want to ask Wren for a contract?
Frankly, we need a bridge between Freddie Freeman and what we have now. Could be a year or maybe two. Kotchman was signed for an additional year so why did we trade for LaRoche?
Shamus Thacker
August 1st, 2009
2:42 pm
McFann: Shamus
Heh heh…actually, we have a Mac.
Why did I instantly ponder that as as I hit “submit” on previous post? LMAO
Robert
August 1st, 2009
2:42 pm
And before you come back and try to say it’s me that’s clsoed minded
My mind is MADE UP, beuase I have seen overwhelming evidence. It remains open – in that if Cox were suddenly to change his ways and become competent, I;d acknowledge it. But as long as he continues to do the same stupid things to sabotage the Braves chances of success, I see no current reason to alter my opinion
He has turned World Series winners into Division Champions. He took Division Champions and made them wild card contenders. This year, he has a wild card contender playing .500 baseball.
I’d rather see a change in manager than wait around to see what happens when Donk is handed a .500 team
VaBraveFan
August 1st, 2009
2:44 pm
I think the Braves will be able to Resign LaRoach to a 2 yr deal after the season.
I support Kotchman cause he is a gold glove caliber first baseman, and he is a Solid hitter that gives you good AB’s, not to mention under team control till 2011 at a cheap price.
The Braves should have gotten atleast another mid level prospect in the deal considering LaRoach is a free agent after the season.
Steve from OH
August 1st, 2009
2:44 pm
Steve, all you ever have to say is that you think I’m an idiot. Or you get on me for abusing someone who laid into me first
In the past, I have provided (when applicable) statistical evidence to refute some of your claims about Cox’s lineup choices, pitcher usage, etc., most of which you roundly ignore. Braveheart has done the same. As for the incident you’re referring to, I didn’t care what went on between you and Lew–what I took offense to was your claim that he doesn’t have any credibility because he’s an artist and a pothead–both of which make no difference whatsoever. Quite frankly, I saw that as crossing the line.
I am expressing my opinion as to what’s wrong with the team, and how to fix it. You dont like it, you are free to disagree, but you’re not liking what I have to say doesnt make me dumb
I have provided evidence in the past, most of which you ignore. As for what’s wrong with the team, there is a whole lot wrong with it besides the manager, but you never mention any of that, even though the players in question have far more of an impact on the game than the manager.
And get on the guy who started in with me – if you find response to him insulting or someone distasteful to you, then tell him not to start in with me next time
I didn’t find much of what Lew said to you to be on quite the same level of insults as you laid on him. However, if you have a quote from him that you feel is particularly awful, show it to me and I’ll happily oblige you with this argument.
And I’ll add that a lot of dumb people arent lacking in IQ, but rather in common sense – so keep that in mind before you try and gloat about a test score you got in the second grade (see, I am even assuming that someone once told you you have a reasonable IQ)
I’ve never gloated about anything that I’ve done in my life on here because, frankly, it makes no difference as to my credibility to talk about baseball. As for common sense, look in the mirror, pal. I’m not the one suggesting that the manager needs to teach a bunch of grown men basic fundamentals. Chances are, when the folks on this blog that have worked in baseball disagree with you on that, you’re wrong.
If you want anything resembling more respect from me, you’re gonna have to earn it. And calling me dumb aint gonna cut that requirement
Quite frankly, I don’t want or need your respect. But when you do say something dumb, rest assured that I’ll call you out on it while providing, if applicable, solid evidence as to why. In fact, for most of your rants, I’ve seen little empirical proof as to why exactly you disagree with a move or whatver–mostly just a “Cox is a donk” or whatever. If you want to lobby that argument at me, well, look in the mirror, pal.
Robert
August 1st, 2009
2:45 pm
10 minutes and no response. Even at 10 words a minute he shoulda got thru the post by now.
Maybe the lack of response is telling .. Bye for now. I’ll be back tonight Steve. By then maybe you’ll have found some way to twist what I said around and then make a comeback to it
Hope we overcome the -2 run Donk factor today, cuz tomorrow’s game looks daunting
Duke
August 1st, 2009
2:46 pm
Wren in Doubt, Kotchman may have put wood on the ball put it was bits and pieces of wood most of the time. I won’t miss his weak grounders to the pitcher, that’s for sure.
Steve from OH
August 1st, 2009
2:46 pm
Thing is, you already operate under that principle. To you, he is infallible. Nothing can be his fault. He can do no wrong. Even if he puts the wrong guy out there at the wrong time, it was the player’s fault if he failed
Not really. I was simply making the same logical assertion you were last night, don’t try to see it as anything but that.
BravoMan
August 1st, 2009
2:46 pm
McFann,
Member that pitch he struck out on with the bases loaded????
It was high…one of the many things that pissed me off lastnight. Never watchted such a frustrating game. Should be a good one today though with my boy Lowe on the hill.
MFin04
August 1st, 2009
2:48 pm
Kotchman was never a big run producer. It’ll be good to see what LaRoche can do, if he sucks maybe the Braves will go out and get a first baseman that is better than LaRoche and Kotchman combined.
Hope the bats show up today and McLouth AND Prado can get on base a ton.
Wren in Doubt
August 1st, 2009
2:50 pm
Sorry, I didn’t realize what a offensive machine we had traded for. In 45 more at bats this season LaRoche has one more hit, 7 more doubles, 6 more home runs, 2 more RBI’s. Oh and 3 more GIDP and 55 more strikeouts. World Series here we come.
Piedmont Blues (x-BFIR)
August 1st, 2009
2:51 pm
I’m not going to take time to review the entire blog, but I’m sure someone blamed LaRoche for last night’s loss.
N8, the Braves have to hope that the teams ahead of them in the wild card chase beat up on each other — and that those teams lose to the division leaders regularly. The Rox and Giants play 10 more times. Cubs play the Rox and the Giants. Everybody plays the Phils and the Dodgers several more times.
It would be nice to say all the Braves need to do is take care of business. But they have to do that, and have some help.
Robert
August 1st, 2009
2:52 pm
“In the past, I have provided (when applicable) statistical evidence to refute some of your claims about Cox’s lineup choices, pitcher usage, etc., most of which you roundly ignore”
That’s becuase I dont consider unreferenced and out-of-context citation of SUPPOSEDLY good data a valid arguement
“As for what’s wrong with the team, there is a whole lot wrong with it besides the manager, but you never mention any of that, even though the players in question have far more of an impact on the game than the manager”
We simply disagree here – I contend the manager problem overawes everything else. Fix that, and that it’ll matter a flip fixing the player issues
“I’m not the one suggesting that the manager needs to teach a bunch of grown men basic fundamentals. Chances are, when the folks on this blog that have worked in baseball disagree with you on that”
No, you’re the one who suggested last might that Wren and McGurk need to be teaching fundamentals. And the ONLY guy here that even comes reomtely close to actuyally working “in baseball” (OBrien) is a biased source. Pitching to your kids in the background doesnt make you a baseball coach”
“In fact, for most of your rants, I’ve seen little empirical proof as to why exactly you disagree ”
Try watching ONE game without the presumption that Cox is blameless. It should become crystal clear. And when it does, you’ll see that asking for what you call proof is quite silly. The proof is in front of your eyes. Believe what you see and your brain tells you , not what others with some supposed qualification tell you
Well, hold that last one. I wouldnt be quite so quick to believe what YOUR brain tells you – but, you should get the idea (tho I dont guess you will)
Cheers, bro
VaBraveFan
August 1st, 2009
2:52 pm
I definitly think the Braves will be in better position next year. Wren just needs to find a Power hitter and figure the bullpen out this offseason.
Robert
August 1st, 2009
2:54 pm
“I’m not the one suggesting that the manager needs to teach a bunch of grown men basic fundamentals”
No, instead you are suggesting that when the manager notices that the players lack fundamentals, he should either get the front office executives out there to teach the fundmentals or he should just ignore the problem and play the guys anyway in situations where they arent prepared to succeed
.
Piedmont Blues (x-BFIR)
August 1st, 2009
2:54 pm
Steve from OH,
You’re a very patient man. Hats off, dude.
Lew
August 1st, 2009
2:57 pm
Damned good and successful Artist and Pothead with a Masters. Let’s be clear about that. Neither interfered with my education. I’m overweight too. That never hurt my IQ, either.
Robert’s still a one trick pony and a douchebag, though.
Steve from OH
August 1st, 2009
2:57 pm
Bobby’s, I think it’s a dollar-for-four-quarters trade, personally. I didn’t really see any reason to do it. IMO, it was apparent that Wren wanted more power in the lineup, and he got it. But he traded on-base ability for power and essentially traded for the same hitter he had (by EqA or wOBA) minus the defensive ability. If he’s banking on a typical LaRoche second-half surge, well, that’s a bad piece of reasoning to base a trade on. In fact, as of right now, we traded away more wins than we’ve gained due to Kotchman’s defense. This trade may work out due to Rochy’s propensity to hit in the second half, but even so, as of right now, it’s not a good deal.
Plus, we gave up control over a ML-ready 1B for 2010–which, if their plan is to promote Freeman, I’m not happy about. June at the earliest. I’m sure they have a contingency plan here, but as of yet I don’t see it or it’s coming from outside the system. Can’t like that.
The Bird and Indian
August 1st, 2009
2:58 pm
Robert is bringing his game today. These are are posts he is at least trying to put some insight on. It’s at least better than his one liners that mention the “donk”.
Robert
August 1st, 2009
2:59 pm
““In the past, I have provided (when applicable) statistical evidence to refute some of your claims about Cox’s lineup choices, pitcher usage, etc., most of which you roundly ignore””
YOUR statistcial evidence is unreferenced, out of context, and from who knows where
MINE is the end results of what he was given to work with for the last twenty seasons
And please dont even try to claim that the Braves have not, for all the meaningless division titles, underachieved. We beat four other teams a bunch of times in a row with three HOF starters, and when two of the other four teams were outright pathetic in every one of those years. BIG DEAL. Give ME Madduc, Glavine, and Smoltz, and by god I beleive I could get you to 90 wins too
This is old. I’m arguing with a guy that claims that intelligence has nothing to do with the ability to critique or comment on baseball – OF COURSE he is a Bobby Cox enthusiast!! What was I thinking?
Robert
August 1st, 2009
3:00 pm
“Neither interfered with my education”
Only a pothead could claim that being a pothead didnt interfere with their education. Basically, you are saying that if you’re too dumb to know you’re stupid, then you cant be stupid.
Fire one up Lew, it’s almost game time
Steve from OH
August 1st, 2009
3:00 pm
No, you’re the one who suggested last might that Wren and McGurk need to be teaching fundamentals.
No, I asserted that they run the team. You asked “who runs the team?” I responded “these guys,” with those guys being the front office. They do run the team, after all. You really do squint really hard to look for things to support your arguments, huh?
Johninnc
August 1st, 2009
3:01 pm
wow has LaRoche has just arrived at the ted and Will bat fifth
BravesfaninWis
August 1st, 2009
3:03 pm
I hate Direct TV and their stupid Saturday lineups.. God forbid if they leave a Yankee or Red Sox game off the MLB extra innings package.. Then it seems that every single Fox Saturday game has to include a Yankee or Red Sox game and if they are playing each other that will definitely be the game they play..
If they can play every game throughout the week and on Sunday’s, they should be able to play every game on Saturday’s as well.. I didn’t pay good money to watch the other teams play on Saturday, especially when this is basically the only day that I have off a week..
Anyone know of any free live streams for this game?
Robert
August 1st, 2009
3:03 pm
“Robert is bringing his game today. These are are posts he is at least trying to put some insight on”
I generally dont waste my time. You could have a team of Einstein, Sagan, and Hawking analyzing the Braves’ side issues, and if you handed their solution to Cox, he’d ruin it
The reason I post it over and over again is that when folks try to invoke some other excuse, I say it aint that, it’s more Cox.
Fix the Cox problem, making it worthwhile to discuss other stuff because there’s now hope for results, and you might just be surprised what insight I might be able on occasion to provide
beachcomber
August 1st, 2009
3:04 pm
Lew – Thanks for my best chuckle of the day.
Sorry to see Casey leave. He was really starting to heat up. Wish Adam nothing but the best but surely question giving up a guy we controlled for another year with our phenom probably more than a year away.. What do you expect from a guy who went to Northeast High School (just kidding!).
Steve from OH
August 1st, 2009
3:04 pm
Last response then I’ve got to get back to work:
YOUR statistcial evidence is unreferenced, out of context, and from who knows where
If it’s unreferenced, it’s from fangraphs, BP or B-R. Everyone knows of these sites. I don’t feel the need to reference everything that has an obvious source.
MINE is the end results of what he was given to work with for the last twenty seasons
The ends don’t always justify the means, bro. A serious post hoc ergo propter hoc if I may.
Robert
August 1st, 2009
3:04 pm
“No, I asserted that they run the team. You asked “who runs the team?” I responded “these guys,” with those guys being the front office”
keep going – I responded by that by asking if that meant those guys are responsible for teaching fundamnetals and you said “YES”
jeffrey d
August 1st, 2009
3:07 pm
Yup. Another guy that just loved playing for Cox Robert
Wow….really? So you’re pretty much looking for every possible outlet to blame Bobby Cox. Jeff Bennett asked to be released because the Braves suspended his pay. The Braves suspended his pay because he broke his hand punching a door.
But no, that’s not how you see it. Bobby Cox was just so awful that Bennett begged to be released so he could go to another team. Everything’s Bobby’s fault.
Why did the Braves lose last Tuesday? Because Bobby Cox chose wear blue uniforms when the Braves have never won with blue uniforms on a Tuesday. Why do earthquakes happen? Because Bobby Cox tells kids that Santa’s fake and then he pushes them down. But not before exclaiming “AHEEYUCK!”
BravesfaninWis
August 1st, 2009
3:10 pm
For those that are hating the Kotchman for LaRoche trade, it obviously had more to do then just LaRoche’s possible second half power numbers.. Kotchman put the bat on the ball more often then not, so there has to be something else to it.. Maybe the Braves believe that Freeman will be ready by next year and now have a path cleared for that to happen.. Maybe Kotchman really was a clubhouse downer as I have read that he either kept to himself, or only talked with Garret Anderson..
When I went to the game last Sunday in Milwaukee, it was Anderson and Kotchman warming up.. Then when Anderson started doing sprint runs with Diaz, Kotchman sat down and did leg warmups far from any of his teammates.. I am not saying that its a sure thing that Kotchman wasn’t a “team” player, but it is a possibility.. Anderson doesn’t talk to others as much either, except to Kotchman.. Now that Kotch is gone, Anderson may sit by himself in the dugout..
jeffrey d
August 1st, 2009
3:10 pm
You could have a team of Einstein, Sagan, and Hawking analyzing the Braves’ side issues, and if you handed their solution to Cox, he’d ruin it
What does Einstein know about baseball? That’s like asking Mozart to write a play.
Steve from OH
August 1st, 2009
3:10 pm
I said no such thing, Robert. If I did, I was surely joking because in no way, shape or from do I feel that Wren and the FO are responsible for teaching fundamentals.
Care to cite your source, or may I use yet another one of your arguments against you?
P.S.–if you’re referring to my 10:42, your level of reading comprehension is quite low.
Carroll Rogers
August 1st, 2009
3:10 pm
OK, the first baseman is in the house. LaRoche walked through the clubhouse door at 2:55…wearing faded levis, a gray Nike t-shirt and with a Red Sox bag over his shoulder. “Five whole days there and they gave you a bag?” Chipper Jones quipped….
He got bear hugs from Chipper and McCann, got to his new locker between Matt Diaz and Garret Anderson, saw Mike Gonzalez a few chairs down and goes “I never thought we’ be together. Unbelievable.”
So good cheer all around. Couldn’t do an official interview with him because he wanted to change and get in the batting cage, but I think the bomb scare at LaGuardia this morning affected his travel from Boston. I think he flew from Baltimore to Boston last night. Sure to be tired, but also surely happy to be back here. More as we go.
Robert
August 1st, 2009
3:11 pm
“If it’s unreferenced, it’s from fangraphs, BP or B-R. Everyone knows of these sites. I don’t feel the need to reference everything that has an obvious source.”
So, if you say “The Braves rank 6th in swing percentage” – then everyone just has to take it for granted that your fact is correct? Sorry, I dont work that way
Lots of statistcis can be quoted that are technically “correct” but in fact meaningless because they are being used in isolation or otherwise out of context
Guy named Shaun used to be the master of this technique. Guy knew more statistics than any man alive without having a clue what any of them reall meant
You ask me to “prove” something to you, and yet when asked for proof on your end, wont even cite a reference? Hope you’re not using this tactic on that paper you’re working on
njbraves
August 1st, 2009
3:11 pm
Robert…I’m noticing a theme here. Most People on here think you’re an idiot.
Frankie Knuckles
August 1st, 2009
3:11 pm
SteveOH,
I’m in agreement with your 2:57, but I feel Wren is basing this trade on the fact that he would have non-tendered Kotch next year. At least I hope that’s the reasoning at this point. Wren has managed to create himself a little conundrum this winter. Personally I’m not a big fan of a non power hitting first baseman unless his name is Wally Joyner and his kind is rare. Time will tell if Kotch can fill those shoes.
Carroll Rogers
August 1st, 2009
3:12 pm
Lineup: Prado is back in, McCann gets a day of rest, and LaRoche batting fifth:
1. McLouth CF
2. Prado 2B
3. Jones 3B
4. Anderson LF
5. LaRoche 1B
6. Diaz RF
7. Ross C
8. Hernandez SS
9. Lowe P
jeffrey d
August 1st, 2009
3:12 pm
P.S.–if you’re referring to my 10:42, your level of reading comprehension is quite low.
Steve, you’re talking to a person that thought “your and idiot” was an epidemic typo that only this blog happened to be making.
Robert
August 1st, 2009
3:13 pm
“I said no such thing, Robert. ”
The exchange is somewhere between pages 22 and 26 of this blog – you can look it up – and then try to claim you were joking I suppose
This is getting nowehere – you either claim everything you say is common knowledge, or you deny having said it.
njbraves
August 1st, 2009
3:13 pm
Steve from OH….stop wasting your time. It’s like arguing with a brick wall. Robert is never going to admit that he was wrong. All he will do is insult you and reference a donkey.
Question on everyone's mind
August 1st, 2009
3:14 pm
So, we traded Saltalamacchia, Andrus, Feliz, Jones, and Harrison for Stephen Marek?
BravesfaninWis
August 1st, 2009
3:14 pm
I can’t believe a team like the Rays would sign that fool Jeff Bennett.. He is nothing more then a Blaine Boyer, and he will falter on that team as well.. I can’t wait to see highlights when Bennett blows a game for the Rays and is yelling in his glove like we witnessed so many times before..
The Braves should have released him long before the punching the wall incident, but that was a good reason anyways.. People act like it was the Braves fault on what went down with Bennett.. The Braves didn’t make him pitch badly, the Braves didn’t make him blow a game, and the Braves certainly didn’t make him punch a wall resulting in a broken hand.. He deserved to be fined, and he definitely deserved to be released..
Robert
August 1st, 2009
3:14 pm
“Robert…I’m noticing a theme here. Most People on here think you’re an idiot”
I’ve noticed a theme too. Many people here, yourself included, ARE idiots. Lend what credence you will to their opinions
Carroll Rogers
August 1st, 2009
3:15 pm
yes LaRoche is wearing 22. …..sorry for delay getting game day stuff to you. Waiting on LaRoche is why..
njbraves
August 1st, 2009
3:16 pm
Robert…you blame every single thing that goes wrong on Bobby. Yet, we’re supposed to assume that you’re intelligent?? Come on man. All you do is bash Cox and say he is the reason the Braves don’t win. That’s it. I have never seen you post one positive thing about the Braves.
BravesfaninWis
August 1st, 2009
3:17 pm
I am glad that LaRoche is back if for no other reason then he has great relationships with Chipper, McCann, and McClouth which should lighten all of them up and make them have fun.. Who would have thought that Gonzalez and LaRoche would be on the Braves at the same time when they were traded for each other?
beachcomber
August 1st, 2009
3:17 pm
Ms. Rogers – Neat post. Especially the part about LaRoche’s interaction with Gonzo. A bit unusual to be sharing a locker room with a guy you were traded for.
twoiron
August 1st, 2009
3:18 pm
This used to be an enjoyable read. But lately with all the personal attacks and slap backs, it seems all i have been doing is hitting page down to avoid all this crap.
jeffrey d
August 1st, 2009
3:18 pm
I’ve noticed a theme too. Many people here, yourself included, ARE idiots. Robert
Oh I get it. So everybody’s an idiot except for you. Glad we cleared that up.
Braveheart
August 1st, 2009
3:18 pm
Wren and company though are responsible for hiring the folks who properly train these guys in the fundamentals before they reach the majors, and they are responsible for drafting and signing guys who are well schooled in the fundamentals, and they are responsible for not calling those guys up to the majors until they are well educated in the fundamentals. A major league ballfield is not the place to learn or teach fundamentals.
If you are 25 years old, after 2 years of tee ball, 4 years of Little League, 6 years of Babe Ruth ball, 3 years of junior high ball, 4 years of high school ball, 3 or 4 years of college ball, 3 years of summer ball while in college, 3 to 6 years in the minor leagues, and you still need to be taught the fundamentals while in the major leagues, that’s not a Bobby Cox problem, that’s a you problem.
Carroll Rogers
August 1st, 2009
3:18 pm
Talked to Escobar. He’s got a wrap on his right wrist today and did not take bp. But he’s planning to take bp and groundballs tomorrow and if all goes well, he thinks he’ll be back in the lineup for the start of the San Diego series on Monday
CrimeDog
August 1st, 2009
3:18 pm
To quote Robert:
“There’s no reasoning with that closed mind-set. Open your eyes. Hundreds of players have come and gone thru the organization since the middle of 1990. Did ALL of them suddenly become incompentent in the playoffs all by their lonesome? Did all these guys just let poor old Donk down time and again?
By your reasoning, the anser is yes
By mine, when one simple answer will do, it’s more likely to be the truth than hundreds of seperate excuses and rationalizations”
By that logic, since everyone on this blog emphatically disagrees with you, I’ll assume the truth is that you’re wrong. After all, it’s much more logical than hundreds of seperate excuses and rationalizations.
Cooper S
August 1st, 2009
3:19 pm
“So, we traded Saltalamacchia, Andrus, Feliz, Jones, and Harrison for Stephen Marek?” – question on everyone’s mind
Yeh, that and half a year of Mahay, a year of Teixeira, a year of Kotchman, half a year of LaRoche, and Brett DeVall (a comp pick for Mahay).
You *kinda* have to include those things. Sorry if it makes your point less valid.
BravesfaninWis
August 1st, 2009
3:21 pm
Thanks for the update on Escobar Carroll.. We need his bat and defense back in this lineup.. That is why Infante’s injury was such a big blow.. Hernandez is not the answer as a backup plan IMO.. To bad we couldn’t use Johnson as a SS seeing as though he was originally a SS back in the day..
McFann Ô
August 1st, 2009
3:21 pm
Shamus Why did I instantly ponder that as as I hit “submit” on previous post?
Yeah, I mean, you should have known.
BravoMan Member that pitch he struck out on with the bases loaded????
It was high
That’s what I hear…I just barely saw the pitch, myself–had my eyes partly covered and then left the room after the call. Didn’t return to watch the rest of the game, either. Second time this year I’ve pulled that one…
That game was bad, though…and I still can’t believe BMac swung at that first pitch. I guess it was kinda close, but that was ball one to me, and then after the miss-call, his count would have been 3-2, and he’d have gotten another shot. Oh well…I guess…
Ms. Rogers Prado is back in, McCann gets a day of rest
Good.
Thanks for the info stuff.
CrimeDog
August 1st, 2009
3:22 pm
BravesfaninWis-
Unfortunately, Johnson isn’t too much of an upgrade over Hernandez at this point. Still, the rest of the lineup has to compensate for Escobar’s absence today.
Rick
August 1st, 2009
3:24 pm
The key guy is still out – this team is not the same without Escobar .
Johninnc
August 1st, 2009
3:24 pm
btw with Adam in the lineup Did norton got DFA?
BravesfaninWis
August 1st, 2009
3:24 pm
CrimeDog
I know, but I guess I would rather take a chance with a guy like Johnson who has seen more major league pitching then Hernandez has.. Plus KJ has more speed on the bases.. I know, its like comparing solid crap to diarrhea, but it is what it is..
CrimeDog
August 1st, 2009
3:26 pm
Haha interesting comparison, but I get your meaning. Johninnc-
No, Canizares got sent back down.
BravesfaninWis
August 1st, 2009
3:26 pm
CrimeDog,
I know what you are saying.. I guess I would rather have a guy like KJ who has seen much more of major league pitching then Hernandez has, and KJ has more speed on the bases.. It’s like comparing solid crap to diarrhea, they both stink..
MFin04
August 1st, 2009
3:27 pm
Dear Lord – CR tell us that Greg Norton isn’t on the team. Tell us that Barbaro is still on the team. I’m sure he can pinch hit and hit .100 for the rest of the year. I’m sure of it. I have insider information that says he can.
BravesfaninWis
August 1st, 2009
3:27 pm
Sorry for the double post, but my first one didn’t seem to post at that time..
The Bird and Indian
August 1st, 2009
3:29 pm
I think this trade will work out well. You know that Adam will make that clubhouse happier. Don’t downplay how important that it. Kotchman never wanted to come here. Adam outta be playing hard to get that big contract. I think I’m gonna like it. We all know this guy can hit some bombs. He is also a second half player, I’m just gonna like having another guy that’s a nice threat to hit one out. It’s not a huge move but it is one that should give us just a nice little power boost. I was glad we didn’t try to package prospects in a move.
BravesfaninWis
August 1st, 2009
3:29 pm
Carroll
Any word yet on who is off the team in order for LaRoche to be activated? I am hoping Norton, but something tells be its Barbaro because he had a bad game at the plate last night, and Cox like the switch hitters..
Johninnc
August 1st, 2009
3:29 pm
thanks CrimeDog .I guess Bobby is the kind of manger that will let you keep your job even when you get the job done.Where can I apply for a job with the braves to become a hitter