12:27 pm July 31, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
July 31st, 20092:27 pm
HAHA, you people are too uptight, really are. If anyone is Lame its you sitting here on a blog taking everything someone says so seriously. You people need to go outside and get a life.
I get what you are saying. You said getting. However, you said it in a vague type of way that was easy for someone to take it that way.
2nd You guys should check out the message boards at atlantabraves.com where you can actually go to the topic you want to discuss
the message boards at atlantabraves.com is 99% like this blog with the only difference being it’s set up in message board form rather than a blog.
Will Carrol says the Indians got Buchholz. http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/3055535429
July 31st, 20092:28 pm
“3rd Those dogging on KK are NOT smart about baseball. In 19 starts KK has only given up more than 3 earned runs 4 times. That’s right, 15 of 19 starts with 3 earned runs or less. If you don’t think that is worth 8 million on the FA market then you are hollow between the ears.” DOB the Joke
Yeah. But in only 9 of those 19 starts has he lasted 6 innings or longer. One could argue that giving up 4 runs per start, but getting into or past the 7th inning more often than not, would be more valuble to the team than allowing fewer runs, and not lasting. Thus saving the bullpen for later in the year.
On the flipside, my whipping boy Javier Vazquez has NOT gone 6 innings or beyond, only 3 times in 22 starts. Lowe has gone 6 innings or more in 16 of 22 starts. JJJ has gone 6 or more in 17 of his 22 starts, and young Tommy Hanson has lasted 6 innings or more in 6 of his 9 starts.
Make no mistake. KK is as responsible for taxing this bullpen as anybody. I will agree that while in the games he’s pitching, KK ususally gives us good innings. He just doesn’t last long enough.
The guy has middle relief, spot starter written all over him. Or 5th starter. And a team with a 96 million dollar payroll can’t afford to spend 8 million dollars on their 5th starter.
BTW: For those that listen to Jim Rome, he is GOING OFF on Hohn’s “fist–bump” the other night. Calling it disgraceful. Asking: “What’s next? Why not walkout and give high fives to all of the Marlins on the mound?”
Rome is a little over the top and kind of a blowhard, but when you agree with him, he’s damn funny.
Andrew in P-tang
July 31st, 20092:29 pm
Jon, i think its you who needs to get a life buddy
No porn stuff with Shapiro’s wife. Not sure where you’re getting that. I made it very clear.
And Will Carrol is wrong. Buchholz and Bard aren’t in the deal. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 20092:30 pm
Just listenin to soem Bruce Springsteen….great stuff
MLBTR saying that Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard are not in this deal.
Andrew, did you say something? Sorry I dont speak or understand gibberish. Come back to me when you get a life.
July 31st, 20092:31 pm
1:27pm: FOX now says Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard are not in this deal
July 31st, 20092:32 pm
BravesFanChris24, just because a team improves doesn’t necessarily mean that team got significantly better than even a team behind them in the standings. The team ahead that made moves a) could have just received marginally better players and b) the team ahead could have overperformed for most of the year or the team behind could have underperformed for most of the year or both.
Just under 90 minutes left…
I believe you. My whole point is you kind of went of for no reason. He actually went out of his way to not “discredit your sources.”
Anyway, I don’t see anything happening and I am perfectly happy and content with that. I still want to play for this year but with what we have. I hope for a serge and some good baseball out of the boys the rest of the way. I will continue to live and die with each pitch but at the same time it will be easier to take in the long run while looking at the future.
July 31st, 20092:33 pm
Heath, sorry if I hit a nerve. I was just joshing.
BravesFanChris24, All I was implying was that Braves were getting two relievers. Does it matter how? no, it does not.
Rob from SC
Don’t get me wrong, I like Nate McLouth but I understand what he is. He is a .250-270 hitter with 20-25 HR power. He will also steal about 20 bases. You don’t need a team of 9 superstars. I am a Jason Heyward junkie and would call hom up now. He, Escobar, and McCann are the stars for the current and future.
As far as Jordan Schafer is concerned in my eyes, we did not see the real Schafer this season. He did not K much in Spring Training or the first week of the season until he hurt his wrist. I think he can be a .280 12-15 HR 30 SB guy which is what we need because we lack a true leadoff hitter. I love our future OF. McLouth-Schafer-Heyward.
July 31st, 20092:34 pm
Drew I went off because he told me shut up, what kind of douchebag move is that?
Patron Saint of the Lost Art
Hey big news everybody…Brett Favre is going to STAY RETIRED. I will try and find out more as the news comes in.
oh well, the budster will carry us to the promise land…
on a side note, i am certainly glad that he is getting his health issues under control!
Big trade for the Braves coming…
ATL Braves get:
- Tim Hudson
- Omar Infante
G Braves get:
- G. Norton or Kelly Johnson
July 31st, 20092:35 pm
shapiro has had a bad two days in the eyes of their fans.
David O’Brien emailed me and said that he took care of the person who earlier today was using my name to make fake postings. Hopefully this wont happen again.
DOB The Joke
July 31st, 20092:36 pm
N8, you make good points. KK needs to go deeper the longer he is in the league or it will be considered a bad acquisition. I am still giving him a pass cause it is a new league, rotation schedule, etc.
Some quotes I read on here though make him sound like Oliver Perez. That he is not.
thank goodness Paul, we were all really worried
There has not been one post for DOB or CR. Are the trades going down that boring or is there something brewing??……………ummmmmmmmm
July 31st, 20092:37 pm
That’s not the point. I understood what you are saying when you said you just said getting.
My point is how you went off on others for implying you meant via a trade, when in fact, you said it in a vague way to where it was easy for someone to imply it that way.
I wasn’t discrediting you or your sources, I just thought it was via trade because of the way you vaguely said it.
now we can just skip your posts, knowing we aren’t missing something funny an impostor wrote
rob from sc
i agree on schafer, there was nothing in his numbers that said he was going to strike out that much, had to be the wrist. got to give him another shot
It’s all good, just was concerned that I didn’t make myself clear. She was cool…never would have thought I would end up in a baseball GM’s home…very coincidental. I decided to quit my job and take a fun job over the summer while I was looking for a more permanent type of position that didn’t make me travel all around the globe anymore. (I did take the DirecTV job because of the lonely housewives, though… (or girlfriends).
In all seriousness, I can not believe how comfortable many of those women were around me! I see less skin on “Skinamax”!
I think the Wren just pulled a fast one over on the G Braves
I gotta think if those players the G Braves are getting don’t work out they might not be dealing with Atlanta ever again. Hudson AND Infante for Valdez and Norton/Kelly … wow
boy the Redsox are playing any games. They are getting everybody…
John Heyman reporting the Sox and Indians have a deal for Victor Martinez. Bucholz not in the deal. The rich get richer!
July 31st, 2009
Drew I went off because he told me shut up, what kind of douchebag move is that?
LOL, god what a little girl. Mommy he told me to shut up. Wow Jon.
July 31st, 20092:39 pm
1:35pm: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says (via Twitter) pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal.
Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson to the Indians.
wheelz007 – Don’t the G Braves already have Valdez? My memory isn’t what it once was, but I could swear I watched him pitch the same night Hudson pitched his last rehab start.
July 31st, 20092:40 pm
Nova Scotia Steve – did you know there’s a Facebook group for the blog?
Rob from SC -
Cleveland fans may be a little upset right now, but it’s worth giving Shapiro the benefit of the doubt right now, he hasn’t ever really been fleeced in any of his trades. He almost always gets the better end of the deal. Cleveland has the 2nd lowest attendance in baseball, I think. It’s really bad in Cleveland with the state of Ohio, and the city of Cleveland in particular, far above the national unemployment average. The team stinks and fanc can’t afford tickets, so, it makes sense what Shapiro is doing.
DOB the Joke, I don’t mind KK. In the 90’s he would have been perfect for the back end of our rotation. However, if healthy, I’d take Hudson (even at the higher salary) over him next year. And even though I’ve not been the biggest Vazquez supporter (still think we could get a ton for him in a trade), a rotation of Lowe, Vazquez, Hudson, JJJ and Hanson in 2010 would be the best in baseball, 1-5, imo. Maybe not 3 HOF/Cy Young candidates like the 90’s, but possibly our best 1-5 rotation Atlanta has ever seen in it’s deepness and inning eating ability.
But who knows? You might be right. Next year with a year of adjustment under his belt, KK might be one of those guys as well. He’s got good stuff, just needs to command it better, and get deeper into games.
July 31st, 20092:41 pm
Schafer K’s 17 times in 68 ST at-bats ( 1 every 4 times up)
Then only 4 times in his first 19 at-bats before hurting his wrist
I will wait until he is healthy to evaluate him correctly
Like seriously…there’s not even any Braves rumors???
July 31st, 20092:43 pm
Dont you guys realize that Frank Wren made 2 significant moves to improve the bench recently? Right before the All-Star Break, Greg Norton was activated. Last Thursday, Kelly Johnson came back from his rehab assignment.
These guys had great years last year and should be counted on to duplicate that success in the second half.
(uh……..do you guys think that I really believe that nonsense?)
I am not a big Justin Masterson fan.
Maybe I missed that post. But I digress.
Agree ROME is NOT burning. But nothing funny behind the implications of a fist-bump between the ump and one team over the other at any time let alone at the end of a victory for the home team. BILLY HOHN should be banned by MLB for life.
July 31st, 20092:44 pm
Me either. Lefties tear him up. I don’t think he’ll make it as a starter.
July 31st, 20092:45 pm
Thanks man…just joined!
July 31st, 20092:46 pm
Mixxo Yes it was Jerome on the field IIRC. Just a short bit, but with intensity.
OK, thanks. I’ll check foxsports.com again late and maybe it’ll be up. They usually post the interviews (or, they’ve done quite a few of them), but like I said, they prob’ly won’t do it this time…
What does IIRC stand for?
<strong<Nova Scotia Steve–
Nah, I don’t do Facebook.
<—- will wear a fake mustache to every Braves game he attends in protest of Billy Hohn.
July 31st, 20092:47 pm
Do the Yanks have anything locked and loaded to respond?
Anyone watching the MLB Network. Great show. John Hart and Duquette giving great perspective on what’s happening for the GM’s today. Better than listening to those clowns on ESPN.
I feel like every Rob from SC post takes the words right out of my mouth haha
Bowden is better than Masterson. He has a almost sidearm motion. He has good strikeout number, but a hit per inning does not scream filthy stuff. LH hitting .313 against him.
Teams don’t give away top prospects anymore. Theo did a good job again.
However he will never live down the Julio Lugo signing
July 31st, 20092:48 pm
Better Days – Bruce Springsteen….unreal!
So no Braves rumors on the trade front and nothing on anyone going to the DL even though we now have 3 injured players, a has been on the bench in Norton, and a couple never will be’s playing up the middle?!
Sounds like Tommy, Derek, and JJ need to pitch consecutive shutouts this weekend against a very good hitting Dodger team :-/
If Wren stands pat and Braves don’t make it, it’ll be a sad thing, especially if there was a move however small it was he could have done that would have worked and given them that push to make it.
July 31st, 20092:49 pm
I live and breathe baseball, makes my wife real mad sometimes.
Plus Hal Reynolds gives a no holes barred players perspective. He saying while this is a good trade for the Sox there is some fall out. Francona has to deal with Lowell, Varitek and Laroche all of who will lose some if not a lot of playing time. Real world stuff.
July 31st, 20092:50 pm
BravesFanChris24 , I agree. :/
Agree w/ that assessment…listening to Olney and Kurkjian blab on and on about how much they don’t know and then Gammons talk all day long about the Red Sox gets real old after awhile…
I just wish they’d all stop talkin about Roy…I think if he was gonna go, he would have went by now! That and the Phils are out…
July 31st, 20092:51 pm
jeffrey d – Thanks for the FB link. Figured it was about time I joined, also.
Foor everyone mad that Frank Wren is not making any moves answer this one question.
If the following players are off limits
Jordan Schafer (injured)
Who can we trade to get anyone worth while.
Don’t even say Medlen and Jo Jo Reyes.
No prob Nova Scotia Steve….if you’re in a group joining mood (although it seems nobody really cares much about groups anymore) you can also join the McCann’s Cans group I made. I completly forgot about it until I saw it when I went to look up the URL for the blog group. Guess it needs some updating….last time I touched it was when he signed that contract extension.
Do you live in Nova Scotia now? I lived there for about year, but I couldn’t tell you where or anything about it because I was about 5 when it happened. We only stayed for a few months before moving back to the south for good.
I agree there too as even a small deal will pump a club up and say, hey, our front office wants to make a go at this thing.
Rob from SC, Theo’s JD Drew signing wasn’t exactly the best either…nor his Eric Gagne trade…don’t get me wrong, Theo is a good GM, but his mistakes aren’t magnified as much as some others…
July 31st, 20092:52 pm
68 minutes to go…. not that I am counting or anything.
I still fully believe we could trade Kelly to get a decent pen arm or a bat for the bench…
July 31st, 20092:53 pm
Scary Red Sox Lineup In Place for ‘10, if Bay returns:
Rob from SC
I hear ya man. My girlfriend is on me all the time about having to watch the Braves. Oh well..
Keep up the posts so I don’t have to say anything. Long live Escobar and Heyward.
P-Town Brave – I’m not sure the Halladay thing is done. He has a lot more value now then he will in the off season. Essentially because he’s publicly stated he’s going FA after next year. I’d pay a lot more for two shots at a WS with him then just one next year.
Don’t count those freakin Yanks out on that yet.
July 31st, 20092:54 pm
our bullpen is absolutely horrible.
who do we have??
moylan……has given up more games than everybody except maybe bennett
gonzo..,..,like a box of chocolate.
we have medlen who is pretty good and oflaherty who is marginal
so does this look like a pen that needs to stand pat.
Sources: Dodgers making run at Padre stars — 2:48 p.m.
Even with Indians catcher Victor Martinez headed to the Red Sox, there is still a possibility that the Padres will trade first baseman Adrian Gonzalez.
The Dodgers are making runs at both Gonzalez and Padres closer Heath Bell, either separately or in a blockbuster, according to major-league sources.
If the Dodgers acquired Gonzalez, they presumably would send first baseman James Loney to the Padres or trade him somewhere else.
pedroia at second, obviously, not short
I believe Laroche is a free agent, and I highly doubt that he will be a Red Sox next year.
July 31st, 20092:55 pm
McFann ;Ô; – If I Recall Correctly
Nova Scotia Steve – I’ve got Facebook Steve, but hardly use it. Just some family on it is all.
I was born and raised in Nova Scotia…I actually work on radio…but I moved about two years ago…
I’m in Whitehorse,Yukon doin the radio thing here we’re neighbours to Alaska.
Been to Atlanta once… to see four games against the Cubs…also saw em in Montreal and Toronto when they were there…
Would love to move to Altanta…but the paperwork/visa’s etc is drag you have to go through.
July 31st, 20092:56 pm
Dodgers looking at Adrian Gonzalez AND Heath Bell? Yikes.
The Love Child of Dale Murphy and Johnny Cash
Nova Scotia Steve:
I saw Springsteen at Bonnaroo. About an hour into the concert he started talking about building houses of love and sexual healing. I left out of fear that he wanted to hump me. I’m not a big Springsteen fan, though.
Speaking of Kelly Johnson, while I was trying to fall asleep last night, i was thinking about why Kelly Johnson sucks so bad at defense. I think I figured it out. He has terrible hands. Before you disagree, when he plays watch how many balls hit him right in the glove then fall out. It happens even on routine plays. In all seriousness maybe he should try a bigger glove. Either way something needs to be done because he came very close to blowing another game last night.
July 31st, 20092:57 pm
Greg Ansinger is a dope…MLB Network should get rid of him. He is clueless.
Totally agree. MLBNetwork’s coverage today has been far superior to ESPN’s.
Can anyone explain to me why we keep talking about getting a bullpen arm? Especially with Hudson coming back and either having him or KK added to said BP? I’ve been hearing that for a week now and just don’t get it.
July 31st, 20092:58 pm
That would be tough to accomplish without Kershaw ( better be off limits), and Chad Billingsley. James Loney would be included, James McDonald has a very good upside. And OF Andrew Lambo and SP Josh Lindblom. Ivan DeJesus SS is ok.
July 31st, 20092:59 pm
I think fans should cheer Furcal, and bring signs thanking him for staying with the Dodgers. Thanks to his greed and manipulation, we still have Escobar!
July 31st, 20093:00 pm
When you look at the Yankees offseason and now the Red Sox you really do get a good look as to why the NFL dwarfs MLB. I really do believe Selig is a Boston and Yanks fan and loves the rivalry ratings….to hell with everybody else. Someday, maybe a long time from now, the modern day Yankees/Red Sox rivalry will be looked at as a steroid induced, money driven business other than “just a fun rivalry”. It’s all about the money.
Rob from SC
I’m not saying it should be for someone “worth while”, although it would be nice. Something small like an extra bullpen arm (which is needed) or an extra bat that could help in the stretch run that comes cheaply.
Something needs to be done to give an extra push. Yes, some players are coming back, but throwing all the eggs in their basket is quite frankly absurd unless they are sure things. Can you guarantee that they will be sure things?
“I agree there too as even a small deal will pump a club up and say, hey, our front office wants to make a go at this thing.”
Agreed. If the front office isn’t willing to get something done, it shows the players that it’s either you guys make it or no post season appearance and that’s not a good message to send.
It doesn’t have to be a great big deal. Just something to let the players know that we’ll get this or that done, we think with you guys and the extra help, we have a shot to make it.
It helps team psyche.
That deal mentioned during the game between the Marlins and Padres would have been outstanding for the Padres. I knew the Marlins would have said no. Some scouts say Stanton has more upside than Heyward but much more risk involved. Maybin still has great potential.
the Braves do not historically win easy games.
I have to admit that Torre just showed up in LA and made them a power broker. I didn’t give him a lot of credit for his years with the Yanks. Have to admit he deserved more.
July 31st, 20093:01 pm
Furcal sucks balls, booing him is unnecessary…. he does all that too himself.
Canseco says there is now a Hall Of Famer who took steroids – probably talking about Rickey Henderson . They were together on the Oakand A’s when steroids were getting started in the late 1980s .
Escobar better be off limits as well
MLB traderumors says braves are interested in adam laroche WTF
Braves interested in Adam LaRoche ~_~
Furcal was smart. He knew who was contending this year and who wasn’t.
MLB Trade Rumors is reporting that the Braves are interested in Adam LaRoche from Boston…
July 31st, 20093:02 pm
Braves are interested in acquiring Adam LaRoche.
First baseman Adam LaRoche becomes expendable for Boston if they complete the Victor Martinez trade; Jon Heyman of SI tells us via Twitter that the Braves are interested. LaRoche came up with the Braves; they traded him to Pittsburgh for Mike Gonzalez in ‘07.
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