12:27 pm July 31, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
July 31st, 20095:12 pm
We just added another Greg Norton! He was good last year!
Norton=that dog wont hunt!!!
It’s a different spelling, but Freddie Freeman doesn’t impress me too much.
Wasn’t LaRoche booted out of ATL for being aloof half of the time? He looks like he has down syndrome. Hopefully Furcal will return to ATL and he and Manny will get wasted after the the game and miss the final 2 games due to incarceration. I hear Manny grew his hair long because he likes his hair pulled. Club Miami is calling those two for a late nite fiesta.
Costello- who’s on first?
Abbott – right
The A Bomb
July 31st, 20095:13 pm
WHY DID HOHN PULL OUT THE PIECE OF PAPER THE OTHER NIGHT????
HOHN: Bobby, get out here right now!
COX: Yes, Billy?
HOHN: All right Bobby, if this dugout doesn’t shut up right now, I’m throwing Kotchman out of every game I ump with you guys until I retire!
The Bird and Indian
Kotchman never seemed happy. I think the first time I saw him smile was last night to Chipper about that throw to first. You can’t downplay the effect of players playing happy. You know Adam will be excited to play on a team that has a chance to win. I’m not surprised he wasn’t performing for the Pirates. I am expecting a little fire from Adam and maybe even some from Nate, Chipper, and Mac. Adam is a second half player who can hit some shots. He’s not an average guy but he still gets on base at a solid rate. He is actually a pretty slick fielder with better range that Kotch. He only has 1 error this year actually. Everybody calm down because this gives us the power we need for the rest of the season and then some freedom for the off season to evaluate Adam for this year to see if we wanna resign him or run at another 1st baseman. Just think if he hits towards the top we could have Yunel Escobar as an 8 hitter. That’s a pretty deep lineup if you ask me. We didn’t give up any prospects at the deadline either which I was extremely happy about. Don’t underestimate Adam’s swing that’s like a breath of fresh air. This guy can rake when he’s on. He even hit a tower in his first game with Boston up on the green monster for opposite field power. This isn’t a huge deal but I think it will help us for the run this year.
Maybe comfortability is important to LaRoche:
.330 .381 .592 .973 Home
.159 .269 .287 .556 Away
Basically equal number of ABs away and at home. Hopefully his comfort with a reunion with the Braves will translate well.
If we bat LaDouche cleanup that really would be too much to bear. I hope that any of that speculation is completely off, otherwise Chipper better work on his take out slides at second.
July 31st, 20095:14 pm
Casey Kotchman likes men
Using your stats, I will attempt to explain. Season stats: LaRoche – .772 OBP. Kotchman – .764 OBP. That’s INCLUDING the last month where Kotchman was doing awesome and LaRoche doing terrible. If LaRoche is still leading him after that month, imagine how much better he’s likely to be when he ISN’T playing below his level (and Kotchman isn’t playing above his).
July 31st, 20095:15 pm
Remember when we had Rico Brogna?
I like the trade. It’s obvious the Braves were not going to tender Kotch, and Laroche’s upside in the second half is huge-he is a much better second half player. We know what we had with Kotch-we will get at least that with Adam and maybe a Spark.
I meant Yunel as a 7 hitter my bad.
If Freeman isn’t ready for next season just sign a first baseman to a 1 year deal. First basemen
Rich Aurilia (38)
Russell Branyan (34)
Miguel Cairo (36)
Frank Catalanotto (36) – $5MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Tony Clark (38)
Carlos Delgado (38)
Nomar Garciaparra (36)
Ross Gload (34) – $2.6MM club option
Eric Hinske (32)
Nick Johnson (31)
Adam LaRoche (30)
Doug Mientkiewicz (36)
Kevin Millar (38)
Chad Tracy (30) – $7MM option with a $1MM buyout
Daryle Ward (35)
Dmitri Young (36) -$6MM option vests with 500 PAs in ‘09
Carlos Delgado, Nick Johnson, Russel Branyan, or Adam Laroche
Wait a second, how much more comfort did ADDAM need with the Pirates. . . Heck his freaking brother was in the infield with him!
Roachy has 2 months to improve his value for free agents. Lets just see what he does before we throw him under the bus. I’m betting he produces!
July 31st, 20095:16 pm
I am be by myself but I understand this completely!
I’m be by myself too.
July 31st, 20095:17 pm
Wonder if Bill Hohn has already added Adam LaRoche to his hate list?
Nova Scotia Steve
July 31st, 20095:18 pm
RE: Frank Wren: King of Bottom Feeders
I would hardly call Derek Lowe, Javier Vazquez, Nate McLouth bottom feeders…
If anyone is seriously reading this blog lets try to make sense of the trade. The Braves found a way to add a player with some power. We did lose a great fielder in Kotchman but if the Braves were not going to tender him next year then in all honesty we made a good swap here. In reference to not getting a reliever like some might think we need ithink the following was the mentality; the Braves were waiting to see what we can get out of Huddy , if we are still in contention and we still have the waiver trade deadline a full month away.
So after LaRoche goes elsewhere in the offseason, basically all the Braves got for Mark Teixeira is Stephen Marek.
Remember they traded Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, Neftali Feliz and Beau Jones to Texas to get Teixeira. That’s right, five players for Stephen Marek.
I mean, what about the bullpen? 1b? Really? A Gonzalez yes…Roachy? Meh. I guess we’ll see.
I am be by myself but I understand this completely! coach smith
I think we’re all be by ourselves today.
Jesus, what a damn joke of a trade. I get used to Kotchman, he starts to hit, so we trade him and bring back Sleepy. Bat Masterson
He always reminded me more of Dopey.
July 31st, 20095:19 pm
I want to know how LaRoche “Left a bad taste in many people’s mouths” or why they wanted him to go so bad?
His last year here he hit 32 freakin HRs! had over 90RBI
why is that soooo horrible?
becuase he made one or two bone headed plays? jeez! KJ did that in one game last night and Escobar does it a good bit!
Now as a pitcher goes through the lineup he seriously has to worry about McLouth, Chipper, McCann, LaRoche, Escobar and to an extent Prado and GA taking them deep at any given time
pithcers had NO fear of Kotchman, that is why he had so few walks (especially hitting 8th)
having another power hitter will turn the lineup over more
I think Laroche will hit 6 or Maybe 7
A Bomb, he hit 270, with 25 homeruns last year with basicly his brother batting behind him
President of Matt Diaz Fan Club
July 31st, 20095:20 pm
I guess Kotchman was the odd man out because he wasn’t a partner in Buck Commander: http://www.buckcommander.com/command_post/. Apparently C. Jones and LaRoche are good friends.
Dmitri Young is going to retire. He won’t be playing first base.
July 31st, 20095:21 pm
I think my favorite part of this blog is all the people who log on and are just now getting the news about the the trade – and reading their knee-jerk responses, almost 90 minutes into the discussion.
I liked the Laroche-Kotchman deal, until I read that Adam is a free agent after this year. Frank must be of the thinking that the only way we have a chance at the wild card, is to get a power bat. My question is: Who plays first base for us in 2010 if Adam leaves as a FA?
Good deal if we turn it on and make the wild card. Bad deal if we dont make it, and Laroche leaves as a FA.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
Agreed. Wren looked at the possible FA first basemen and said, why not upgrade for the last two months of this year if it doesn’t cost us any (or much) cash?
Does make 2010 interesting.
The good news is, 2009 ain’t over yet!
This move maybe a short term head scratcher, but long term, it give Braves what they need. Flexibility in payroll and also possible call ups for player some clamor for, say guys like Freeman/Heyward.
I think while it might be a short term head scratcher, it still has positives for short term (meaning this year).
July 31st, 20095:22 pm
Further than I was willing to go Keylargo.
Better idea if we plan on hitting Adam 4th (and also, I as well can not still fully grasp that I am discussing this):
I would also like to see Norton get the boot and look at possibly keeping Canizares and having him play 1-2 times a week if there is a lefty out there as Adam has been horrid against LHP.
The Atlanta Pirates may have a shot at the playoffs now lol
July 31st, 20095:23 pm
Are players now required to be social butterflies?
Tommy Lee always wanted to play baseball, lets put him at 1st!
If that doesn’t work-out, I hear Charlie Sheen is sick of doing sitcoms.
July 31st, 20095:24 pm
This is all part of my evil plan to move Lowe to 1B next year and turn Yunel into our new closer!
July 31st, 20095:25 pm
BLAH,BLAH,BLAH on your 5:14 post!
If a frog had wings he’d fly! “Imagine this and imagine that” THis ain’t make believe! We can’t sit around waiting for Adam to get his mojo back. The fact is we dealt a “hot guy” for a “cold guy”(try ice cold, worse month than Frenchy ever had probably) at an inopportune time, while we are trying to win the wildcard! And we are calling it an “upgrade”? Some of you will fall for anything! Thats just me. You are welcome to pie in the sky fairy tales if you wish. Lets hope for all of us who care about the Braves that Adam can somehow flip a switch!
Or look at it the way I did. They traded Casey Kotchman and Brett Lillibridge for Javy Vazquez and Mike Gonzalez.
You make the call.
Upgrade?? The dude has a HUGE hole in his swing. He is NOT a clutch hitter. At least Kotchman shows some clutch lately. Look at what Laroche did in July, he sucks. I couldn’t stand to wacth him strikeout all the time then, even less so now.
July 31st, 20095:26 pm
my guess is that Kotch was not traded because of “clubhouse issues” but rather; Brian Jordan was simply mentioning that Kotch was a loner as part of his parting shots in regards to the trade.
That said, when you consider that Kotch was a loner, and LaRoche is so popular because he hunts and cuts the crotch out of Chipper’s sliding pants, Wren thought it would be a good idea to get LaRoche back for the same amount of money as he was paying Kotchman, and see what happens.
LaRoche homers tomorrow . . .
I’d trot this lineup out there, FWIW…
Escobar has actually hit RHP better (.336-8-43 with .905 OPS) than LHP (.238-3-15 w/.705 OPS) this season. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7938/splits;_ylt=AlrnZFmt_GnHECOlADQDDXWFCLcF
Marc in FL
I like Laroche, my wife likes him, I hope he succeeds for us this year. But this trade really doesn’t make much sense. It’s a gamble that Laroche is going to have a huge second half, I hope he does, for all of our sakes!
I reckon the Braves feel the pen is fine for now or they’re still shopping around for a cheap MRP of somekind… at least an effective one and I don’t know how cheap those guys are. LaRoche is kind of a low risk, high reward guy. He can be a little unpredictable with the bat but you know he’ll hit more HR’s than Kotch. Just a step below defensively.
Where’s that bus!? I’m ready to throw La Wretch under it, IMMEDIATELY!
July 31st, 20095:27 pm
I think we’re all be by ourselves today
4 straight years……no playoffs Frank. Keep bitching about Atlanta fans not supporting the team….and keep missing the playoffs.
RC: if they trade Vasquez, Frank Wren should be hung.
Trade KK to anyone stupid enough to take him and his salary. The Braves cannot exercise the option on Hudson: too much money, and they have to re-sign Gonzalez and Soriano.
A rotation of Lowe, Vazquez, Jurrjens, Hanson, and Medlen will more than suffice for 2010. With Hudson, Francoeur, Anderson, Church, Kotchman, Norton, Diaz, Ross, and LaRoche gone this winter, the Braves will save a TON of $$$’s by not extending contracts or arbitration to these folks.
Using KJ (if they still want him in LF for 2010), Heyward, Cañizares, Blanco, B. Jones, Schafer, Sammons, and Conrad will also save lots of bench money. If Schafer gets it together, even McClouth would become expendable for 2010.
The freed-up money could be used to also sign Escobar and Jurrjens long-term, as well as keep a formidable rotation intact (Vazquez is gone after 2010, saving more millions to sign Hanson long-term) and keeping the tandem of Gonzo/Scowl in our bullpen.
wren about to be on 680
way to pat your own arse on the back! LOL
July 31st, 20095:28 pm
Here’s a good question:
Why would the Red Sox want Casey Kotchman?
I have thought about this and thought about this for about 30 minutes…. the only thing I can come up with:
Kotchman’s low salary.
Does anyone else wonder the same thing?
Wren up next on 680
Frank Wren explains everything on The Buck and Kincaid Show – 680 The Fan in a few minutes for those interested in explanation on the trade.
Wren on 680 in five minutes (theoretically)
Yay! Kotch has a higher average! Woo! Even with that higher average, his slugging percentage is still lower than LaRoche’s.
isoSLG (2009, Career)
Kotch – .127, .140
LaRoche – .198, .217
What do the Braves need? Power. What did the Braves get? More Power.
Maybe Barbaro fills that RH bench bat I was looking for, but I seriously doubt I have that much confidence there as he is a rookie AND heck, Diory certainly didn’t translate his game well from AAA to the bigs…
Either way, just a strange group of events today…
Anyone have any idea how bad the lineup is going to look tonight?!
July 31st, 20095:29 pm
brent, it is not the same amount as Kotch. Laroche makes 7 mil, Kotch 2mil. FA at the end of the year, Kotch I think has two more.
But you don’t make this deal in the middle of the chase when we have been hot.
July 31st, 20095:30 pm
Is Yunel out for sure tonight?
NC Braves Fan
July 31st, 20095:32 pm
Will be interesting to hear what Wren has to say. It sure sounds like Kotchman was going to be non-tendered, because at least to me it doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to do the trade otherwise.
He must not have fit in. But who knows for sure?
“Look at what Laroche did in July, he sucks. I couldn’t stand to wacth him strikeout all the time then, even less so now.”
-Roach does NOT strike out all the time, sometimes he hits into double plays.
What just happened? I was an Adam fan the first time around! Why not trade Kotchman for something of use (An arm or something) Move Chipper to first, Prado to third, KJ or Infante to second. At least bring up Canizares to play first and get some prospects.
July 31st, 20095:33 pm
Francoeur for Church, Kotchman for LaRoche.
I guess we didnt like the mediocre slow white guys we had and felt the need to get a whole new set of mediocre white guys
Dung for dung take 2
People, who cares about how things are in the club house…the game is played on the field. The Yankees had some extremely dysfunctional club houses that even spilled out onto the field occasionally (Reggie & Billy), but they still won!
LaRoache is not an upgrade over Kotchman. Kotchman has a better batting average and one third of the strikeout of LaRoache. The hole that was filled by trading Frenchy (better all around player than Church), and benching KJ has been reopened.
Just like the Mets got the better player in the Church / Frenchy deal, the Red Sox get the better player today.
*I wasn’t an Adam fan the first time around
NO MORE BOBBY
While the Phillies are out making real deals the best we can do is bring back players that for whatever reason were not good enough to stay the first time.
Hello third place.
I don’t know anything for sure…even about the whole LaRoche thing…just weird…but I’m just going off previous Yunel injuries thinking it’ll be a few days…
So yeah, that lineup doesn’t strike much fear into anything w/ Chip and Nate not hitting a lick right now…not even a Jason Schmidt lite who’s now topping out at 87 w/ his heater…
the Braves will offer LaRoche arbitration in the offseason because it would be great to have him for 1 more year then turn things over to Freeman. I don’t know whether he would be a type A or B free agent, but he will bring us a pick or 2.
With Soriano, Gonzalez, LaRoche all free agents we could have a huge draft next year. I would offer both Soriano and Gonzalez both arbitration because we could use them next year, and they are unlikely to accept it. They will want the 3 year deal
i think kotch is/was under contract, can’t be non tendered
July 31st, 20095:34 pm
Why not move Chipper to 1st?
because Chipper has said he doesnt want to
””What do the Braves need? Power. What did the Braves get? More Power.”"
And more sitting on our hands waiting for homers, instead of making things happen in other ways. GREAT!
^%$%%$#$#$%$#^%$%#@$!!!!!! That’s right, %^$%^$%$^$&*^$$$#%$%^#@##$%^!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s the same amount because the Red Sox are paying the salary differential. It’s been posted several times on the blog.
what is the word on the day to day Prado and Yunel?
July 31st, 20095:35 pm
Wren is on!
July 31st, 20095:36 pm
CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY AT FENWAY. . .
EPSTEIN: What can I do?. . . I really screwed up the deal with Pittsburgh. . .
SMOLTZ: Hey Theo, I have an idea. . .
EPSTEIN: John, I’ll listen to any idea even though right now, you suck. . .
SMOLTZ: Call the knothead down in Atlanta and make the offer. . .
EPSTEIN: Hold on John, they already had him, they won’t bite. . .
SMOLTZ: Oh, they will, Theo, trust me. In fact, I’ll call Chipper right now and float it past him. . . Give me 20 minutes. . .
Apparently the key:
Adam’s power in the 2nd half of the season…
“but, we still feel like Adam is going to do what he has historically done in the second half, and that is going to give us a boost!”
- Frank Wren
July 31st, 20095:37 pm
Sorry i wasnt sitting by the computer at 4:00 sharp, brent a. Are the only people allowed to comment on the trade the ones who were on here the second it went down? I was not aware of that. I’ll try to do it right next time.
July 31st, 20095:38 pm
“yeah, he is thrilled. Just visiting with Adam when the Pirates were here in June, he has a lot of great memories from here. Quite frankly, some of his best friends (inside and outside of baseball) are here.”
- F Wren
Fred "The Dorf" Dorfman
Wren is on 680 right now. Says he wanted to add power at 1B. Makes sense.
Id say Frank has a pretty good idea of what he’s doing, let it play out
At least its Jason Schmidt tonight..
“”Wren is on!”"
“Kotchman never seemed happy”
Yeh, I used to see him in tears over at 1B all the time.
July 31st, 20095:39 pm
Just hit the chemistry point between LaRoche/McLouth and LaRoche/Chipper.
Does anyone have LaRoche’s second half split from last season?
"Chef" Tim Dix
Wren continues to call Kincaid, “Buck”. Too funny.
July 31st, 2009
As long as you promise to do better next time, we will let it slide.
July 31st, 20095:40 pm
Well that just killed Loaf’s mojo. Casey was his only “bud” on the team.So much for the chemistry theory.
July 31st, 20095:41 pm
I’d rather have Nick Johnson.
Mel on a car phone
Kotchman CONSTANTLY overflowed toilets in the clubhouse so he’s gone.
RHR – chill.
It’s funny to read knee jerk reactions 1.5 hours after the trade. It just is.
They are kind of unexpected because most of the conversation has moved forward and then – boom! Somebody logs on, finds out the news, and drops.a “WTH! Frank Wren is an idiot!”
I’m not making fun of people for just finding out the news. I’m laughing because it’s entertaining to continue to see people’s gut reactions to the trade, well after the trade was announced.
Enter your comments here
“I’d rather have Nick Johnson.”
He has no more power than Kotchman
July 31st, 20095:42 pm
I think the lineup is going to be awful tonight.
2008 post allstar splits for Laroche
181AB 14HR .304/.361/.613/.975
It’s “Kincade” not “Kincaid”, people.
July 31st, 20095:43 pm
I know statistics are inconvenient sometimes, but in “late and close” situations in their careers, LaRoche’s batting average is 40 points higher than Kotchman’s, his on-base percentage is 39 points higher and his slugging percentage is 177 (that’s right, 177) points higher.
Ol’ Rochy actually improves on his stats when the game is on the line, while Kotchman historically has underperformed (examples: career batting average of .272 drops to .234, slugging drops from .412 to .314). Go to baseball-reference and see for yourselves.
No doubt, this is a huge upgrade. We have some haters who don’t like Adam’s personality, but you lose the argument on which player is better.
The last nail has just been driven into this year’s coffin.
Frank Wren said that Prado should play in a day or two and that Yunel will need a few more days to see how his wrist feels.
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