12:27 pm July 31, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
July 31st, 20094:34 pm
IMO – Olney’s opinion and a dollar leaves me with 4 quarters.
Wow Peavy to CHW…Wow
I really hope the Braves don’t see putting Freeman at first as 20 year old in April of next year. That really wouldn’t be the best way to handle his development. He isn’t Heyward. Just sayin….
that is still ONE MORE 30hr season than Kotchman will ever have
also, get this straight on the money difference people : THE RED SOX ARE PAYING THE BRAVES MONEY TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE IN SALARY
so it doesn’t cost the Braves more money
July 31st, 20094:35 pm
Wow, didn’t see that coming…and can’t say that I really get how that trade makes us better.
Especially after this season.
The Phillies, Gaints, Cardinals, Sox maybe yawning at this trade, Let’s see what they will be doing when Tim Hudson gets back !!! P.S. Michael Vick is a New England Patriot ! Just Signed !
White Sox get Peavy……
Original Jon: Hell, why didn’t we go for the Nat’s Johnson instead of LaRoche, for crying out loud!
Man, the Renteria trade seems like it was a lifetime ago.
Rock On....the denizen formerly known as Dadgum
Well we still have both Norton and KJ on the 25 man roster but lost Kotchman? Whattttt? I can just see DOB shaking his head on this one. Absolutely NOBODY saw this coming. There is no upgrade here that I can see on the surface. All I can remember is Laroche striking out a lot with a very slow long swing. Defense is probably a wash but to make this trade with other needs more pressing is somewhat quizzacle. Gotta run but there is more to this than meets the eye. I hope!
The A Bomb
What are we going to do next?
Send McLouth to the Mets for Francoeur?
WREN: This team struggled all season to jell. . . and now that we’re hitting you trade a starter? Real fans realize that when you put a bunch of coal in a bag and shake it up real hard, what will come out of the bag is. . . COAL!
Well, assumed to be official.
Peavy being on DL and all.
Just to clarify, here’s my corrected and cleaned up early story. going down to talk to Wren in dugout now.
By David O’Brien
A trade-deadline surprise: Adam LaRoche is back with the Braves.
The Braves traded for their once-and-again first baseman on Friday, opening a spot for him by sending Casey Kotchman to Boston in a swap of smooth-fielding first basemen that gives the Braves improved power at that position.
LaRoche, who’s eligible for free agency after this season, has hit a career-low .248 with 13 homers and 43 RBIs in 93 games, including 87 games for Pittsburgh before being traded to the Red Sox on July 22 for two minor-league prospects.
The Braves also receive cash from Boston to cover the difference between the remaining money owed LaRoche, who has a $7.05 million salary this season, and Kotchman, who’s making $2.885 million.
Kotchman has been on a hot streak lately that’s raised his average to .282 with 41 RBIs, but he still has only six homers, and Braves first basemen are tied for last in the National League with seven homers. Their .401 slugging percentage is better than only Arizona’s first basemen (.390).
In LaRoche, the Braves get a slick-fielding left-hander who came up in the Braves organization and played his first three seasons for Atlanta from 2004 to 2006. His best season was 2006, when he hit .285 with 32 homers, 90 RBIs and a .915 on-base plus slugging percentage (OPS).
He was traded to the Pirates after the 2006 season for closer Mike Gonzalez.
LaRoche, 29, has hit 20 or more homers in four consecutive seasons, and totaled 46 homers with 173 RBIs for the Pirates during the 2007-2008 seasons.
The Braves brought Barbaro Canizares up from Class AAA Gwinnett to play first base in Friday night’s series opener against the Dodgers.
LaRoche is a .259 career hitter with a .733 OPS before the All-Star break, and a .295 hitter with a .900 OPS after the break.
This trade means nothing. one stiff for another. this team is not going to win the series this year anyway, but we have a descent team for next year if Bobby et al have the sense to put Heyward on the team and now that we need a 1st baseman we should add Freeman as well. if he doesn’t work out we can always have Prado play 1st next year and KJ at 2nd.
July 31st, 20094:37 pm
has anyone heard or seen a Kotchman quote from any games or anything. The only thing Ive ever heard him talk about was leaving the team when his mom was ill. He never gave quotes after the game and lets face it, he was a very average 1B nothing more, nothing less
Wow you guys are really going nuts here huh? K, let me explain. I didn’t think we had a shot at winning this year, but didn’t want to make it obvious we were giving up. I also wanted to save some money on the bottom line. This deal does it all, we save some money and actually make it look like we’re improving the team. Brilliant! But no, seriously, I just saved us $500,000!
DOB has already told us Boston was paying money to make up the 2 million left on his contract. He will be a free agent at end of year. He will be happy in big A with his friends and bust his a@@ to get new Contract. Give the man a chance before you have heart trouble. Wren is pretty damn smart and P-TOWN BRAVE if you don’t get that to bad. You made your point. He may not be the best dog in the hunt but he will point and retreave.
Hell getting Norton out of here is more important.
The RedSox sent ‘cash considerations’ to the Braves as the difference in salary.
I still don’t understand this trade. I was really hoping we’d get more bullpen relief.
I REALLY wish we would DFA Norton and bring back Conrad…who had better numbers all around.
Why does LaRoche bat better in the 2nd half? It’s because in the first half he’s not paying attention! ::rimshot:: I’ll be here all week.
July 31st, 20094:38 pm
The fact that Red Sox are sending cash to Braves makes it all make sense. Even in a DOWN year, LaRoche has slugged almost 40 points higher than Kotchman this year. And while is average is significantly lower, his on-base percentage is only 27 points lower, showing that he’ll take a walk from time to time (and I know a hit is usually better than a walk, but as shown by the slugging, Kotchman’s hits are all singles anyway). The defense isn’t QUITE as good with LaRoche as Kotchman, but it’s not a huge gap either. All year we’ve been asking for more power in the lineup….now we’ve got it. I’m not willing to say this is a good or a bad move, but I do see the reasoning and understand why it was done. And there is DEFINITELY more offensive upside with LaRoche than Kotchman.
Second half my butt. Adam can tell any team he’s on to “hang in there the first half guys while I take a nap. If we’re not 10 out after the all star break I may contribute a little bit!”
So in essence we traded for a half season performer that we got rid of a couple of years ago.
Amazing how NOBODY could see all of the trades that happened in the last hour coming – NOBODY.
After thinking this deal over…I like the move for the Braves. Im a big believer in when guys are happy that they play the game much better. I don’t care what Adam’s numbers are this year after looking at where he played most of the season. We’re still heavily left handed though…but I like the power that he now adds to our line up – yes his 13 HR’s playing out of a pitchers ball park.
Yes. My initial reaction was of disapproval. Mainly on the sour taste that is Adam LaRoche.
But, when looking at the possibility of no solid return for Kotchman, a DFA in the off-season, and the fact that he hit 8th in the line up, it isn’t that bad.
The fear sets in when I postulate where Bobby will put him in the line up.
So long as Adam doesn’t get cute and attempt to bunt again, the Braves should be fine for the most part.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 31st, 20094:39 pm
Freeman’s showing no indication he’s anywhere near ready for the ML. 2011 looks like the earliest he’ll be up. As I say, maybe the Braves offer LaRoche arb this winter and he signs for one more season. Or they go after Nick Johnson …
Wonder why Peavy signed off on the trade to the Chi Sox this time.
I just think it funny that we now have LaRoche, Norton, and KJ on the roster….
I dont know, maybe Kotchman, Medlin, Rohrbaugh, and another low level, but good projected arm for V-Mart. Wouldnt that have worked?
July 31st, 20094:40 pm
i was still holding out hope that a trade for a reliever would be reported since sometimes these things come in a few minutes late, but alas; i have given up hope…
Correct-a-mundo. FREEMAN has a ways to go yet.
So when is Wren goin to go get a player that fits the needs of ATL ( corner outfielder and bullpen)
sorry for the double submission…
Red Sox beat writer saying that BOS wanted Kotchman because he would be a better bench guy than LaRoche.
I too wanted bullpen help but everyone seemed to want the bat and I think they got a bat, better then Kotchman and you dont loose defense as LaRoche has 1 error this year.
Nova Scotia Steve
Who’s the biggest Braves fan you know from Port Hawkesbury hahaha…How the hell are ya????
July 31st, 20094:41 pm
everyone needs to calm down…our 1B had 7 HOMERS this year…Laroache brings a power bat to our line up and sets up freddie freeman for next year. Baby Braves version 2.0 coming to Turner Field 2010
does Adam LR still suffer from ADD? haven’t heard anything to the contrary…
Wren has a track record of successful trades.
I’m sure we will re-visit this one in detail the first week-end in October.
July 31st, 20094:42 pm
so adam is back. lets talk about that move. I think it was a great move .He has pop and he still is very good defense at 1st. go braves
Seriously, how could you guys not have seen this trade coming?
Aw-w-w. LUKE and STEVE. It’s like a first date all over again.
Yeah let LaRoche hit into a few DP’s and we’ll see how everyone feels about our “clubhouse chemistry”. LaRoche used to have Francoeur status on here, and that is when he hit bombs more frequently. Won’t take long for that status to return so get ready.
off the wall idea: Braves move Chipper to 1st next year to keep him healthy and sign Adrian Beltre to play third (plays the game super hard, great defensively, decent bat).
Kotchman for LaRoche? WHY?
July 31st, 20094:43 pm
And why does everyone here all the sudden LOVE kotchman? come on he is streaky at best with no power….at least laroache is streaky with power….not to mention we will be rid of him after this year LETS GO FREDDIE FREEMAN AND HEYWARD cant wait!
TenneseePaul, I agree. It isn’t an awful deal, just really bizarre.
Piedmont Blues, I’d bet the Braves evaluated the potential free agent first base market before making this trade. I can’t imagine they would consider Freeman as a 20 year old at first next year, but there is still so much time between now and next season that the Braves may stumble upon a new first baseman for the future(through trade, that is). Just never know, too early, I guess.
At least Peavy ends up in Chicago like he wants ~_~
hahahah I used to play hardball with his brother…
He’s a good dude and a big Braves fan!
The guys at MLB Network understand the move from the Braves’ point of view, but don’t get why Boston did it. My guess is that they figure Kotch is a good late inning defensive replacement.
Good lord — we probably have Johnson, Canizares and Hernandez in the lineup tonight. . . against the best team in the NL….
And by the way, for the person who asked DOB if LaRoche will get to the park in time to pinch hit tonight. . .
Sorry buddy, that spot is FILLED by a guy 6 for 51.
Besides, LaRoche will probably take the wrong plane and end up in Reno.
July 31st, 20094:44 pm
One good step: The BRAVES RELEASE JEFF BENNETT
Step 2: DFA NORTON and bring up CONRAD
Looking at flights on line…I don’t see how LaRoche could possibly be available tonight unless I am missing something (charter maybe).
To me its kind of an odd trade considering the salary difference and the fact the LaRoche’s contract is up soon. I know the Red Sox ate some of his salary but what happens when the contract is up?
Is this just a rental for power or do the Braves sign him to a long term contract.
This deal would have made a lot more sense if LaRoche were right handed. I do like his power numbers and that should make up for the difference in batting average though Laroche strikes out a lot.
Laroche strikes out 1 out of every 4.2 AB’s. Casey strikes out 1 out of every 10.4 AB’s. Quite a difference! Get prepared for the McClouth and Laroche show, between the 2 of them there will be many whiffs with runners on base! Adam will not spray the ball either like Case does, he is a dead pull hitter. THink Adam Dunn with 1/3 the power!
Chris from the Rock
July 31st, 20094:45 pm
Any news on Prado’s and Escobar’s availability for tonight?
Defense is not a wash here, unless Laroche has gotten rid of the brain pharts that used to occasionally pop up. I had forgotten the had that much power. Still, I think Kotchman is the better player. Weird, weird move.
Well, not to change the subject…but any news on the line ups for tonight?
Guess that game winning 3 RUN HR from BMAC last night sparked old memories from Bobby… lol i kid i kid
And Piedmont Blues, Laroche won’t be offered arb. He would have too high a number for the Braves. I think they will look for a one year stop gap of some sort. There should be quite a few. Nick Johnson, Aubrey Huff, Laroche, Delgado, heck Kotchman when he is non tendered!
July 31st, 20094:46 pm
Peavy to White Sox
Think about it fellas. Kotchman was great defensively, but offensively adequate at best, but not a threat, and was never going to hit above the 7 or 8 spot in the order. In LaRoche, we have a 4 or 5 hitter with a lot of pop and a good fielder. That alone makes the entire lineup better. Additionally, Adam will be a positive influence in the clubhouse. Who would you rather face: Kotch or Roche? Granted, the last 2 moves by Wren seem weird, trading RF for RF and 1B for 1B, but I believe we have upgraded those positions and the lineup significantly and the team is better off as a result. We have a good shot at resigning Laroche as well due to his old Pirate buddies and good friend Chipper. The only thing I am concerned with now is that we are stocked with LH hitters and the Philthies are stocked with LH pitchers.
With LaRoche coming back. Waiting for Hudson/Carlyle/Infante won’t be as hard, if no deal was made.
This has been some series of weird trades for the Braves. Our deadwood RF for another teams. Our deadwood 1b for another teams? Tow in a couple weeks, position for position swaps? When was the last time that happened?
monty id take a strike out over a weak roller to 2nd base for EVERY out
Still a little mystifying other than getting out from under Kotchman’s contract. Addition by subtraction. The part of the story that I have missed is if we are bringing up Canizares (which I think is a good idea) we have to get rid of someone. Has this been announced?
I’m glad to see Roachy back….drop him in that 4th or 5th hole in that line-up….
July 31st, 20094:47 pm
Efrim: KJ and Church… I’d have dumped Norton and brought up KJ while keeping Conrad on the team. Problem going forward is KJ will be too expensive as a bench player. But taking at bats away from him for Norton isn’t going to improve KJ’s trade value in the off-season. The only reason Norton has a job is he is a switch hitting Veteran. That’s it. He isn’t good at either of those two qualities.
Church… I could see him being gone after this season. Sounds like Heyward is on a pace to be up by July of 2010. Right field, from my point of view, is covered. Stop gaps can be found in the mean time.
Any sense from the Braves that they will sign LaRoche to an extension??
Freeman is NOT ready for MLB next year…Maybe 2011
“Defense is not a wash here, unless Laroche has gotten rid of the brain pharts that used to occasionally pop up.” – Dr. Watson
Did you even watch the Marlins series that just finished? Kotchman had TWO of those brain farts in a 3 game series. I still say defense is a wash.
Slugger - www.theweeklyscene.com
July 31st, 20094:48 pm
Kotchman fan here… guy went out and did his job.
A man of few words that went out and worked hard day in and day out.
You have to miss players like that in pro sports (McCann’s of the world).
LaRoche is pretty similiar in that regard, just wish they kept Kotchman.
I’ll go along with Rock On on this. Quizzacle.
Sure hope he’s really happy to be back, Chipper and McLouth are real happy he’s back and they all go on a tear.
What will the plans for next year be now?
HE IS NOT A POWER BAT!!! He had one good season. AVG 89 RBIs. That’s not a power bat. Polish it however you want DOB, this was a loser.
July 31st, 20094:49 pm
So much for Peavy and his “I love the NL style of play”
LaRoche makes his home in Atlanta and is best friends with Chipper. I bet he signs on for other year or two.
The Braves released Jeff Bennett, maybe that is the roster spot
blazon…alot of people have ADD. About 70 % of the kids in school have some form of ADD. GET OVER IT.
July 31st, 2009
Canizares will take Kotch’s spot and be sent back when LaRoche arrives.
The Braves now have two starters who began the season as starters for the Pittsburgh Pirates, perhaps the least successful NL franchise of the last 17 years.
Ritchie from Scotland
Ok a slight offense upgrade I suppose. Good guy to have around aswell apparently but I really liked Kotchman’s defense and although LaRoche is capable he’s no Casey. I suppose we’ll see, it depends if LaRoche has another good second half like he usually does. However, we are now VERY left handed.
What a great move. I cant believe I keep pulling these off. I just traded a guy with no power for a guy who has hit 32 dingers in a year. LOL. And I got the Red Sox to pay the difference in the contracts.
I am on a roll. First I stole McClouth now this. Plus Adam and Chipper are like best friends. Ill bet anything Adam picks his game up when he gets here.
GM of the year baby !!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 20094:50 pm
So, is this how everyone sees the lineups now:
Something like that?
Hey guys, I don’t know if anyone has posted this, but the Braves traded Casey Kotchman for Adam LaRoche.
Yeah — this deal makes us better. . .
For duck season, rabbit season, dove season, deer season. . .
he is a Pwer bat…he has a career average of 26 HRs a year my friend
However, we are now VERY left handed.
ummm Kotchman batted left handed? how did this move make us more so?
Come on, this is a good thing. Adam is the last guy in the Braves lockerroom actually doing perscribed drugs
sorry that should have been still VERY left handed
line up card
July 31st, 20094:51 pm
for the roster illiterate: Canizares called up today. LaRoche not here today. Kotchman gone. they won’t add laroche until tomorrow. that way no one is sent down tonight. tomorrow canizares will likely go back to gwinnett. we can hope against hope that norton is realeased & canizares stays. but we know that’s to good to be true.
thanks to whomever mentioned MLB Network. I’d forgotten about that channel.
Getting Tim Hudson back is like getting another big trade ! I think the Braves leads the majors in Era. Let’s see the Dodgers, Cardinals, Chicago, Rockies, Phillies, Boston, Yankees, Giants top that !!!!!! Only going to get better when Huddy gets back !!!
I think that Kotchman’s roster spot has allowed Canizares to fill it..UNFORTUNATELY, I don’t think Norton was DFA..
Any thought that CONRAD could be brought up at SS for Yunel? Conrad was playing SS at Gwinnett
I think the Braves didn’t get an ARM b/c HUDSON is coming back and Kawakami to the BP and that’s your bullpen arm
I’m still surprised Kelly Johnson is a Brave though
because of one 32 HR season…
Ritchie from Scotland
and others: you crack me up saying “Now we are very left handed”
Kotchman was a lefty too
July 31st, 20094:52 pm
Man, those injuries to Esco and Prado, although minor, could not of come at a worse time with the Dodgers in town.
OK, so I leave the house thinking we’re gonna survive this deadline without disrupting our ML team which, as we all know, has been playing some pretty good baseball…
Come home and…WTHeck?? They traded Casey? For LaRoche? No offense to Adam, but I’m not thrilled with this.
If I Recall Correctly…thanks Mixxo.
Stupid,Stupid, Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!! This is like swapping apples for apples. They must think Freeman is going to be ready or sign someone for one year.
Not a good trade in my opinion. What we gain with a few more homers we will more than lose by a less capable glove.
Kotchman has 39 career homers Adam has 124. This was a no brainer folks
This piece of sheer idiocy should be the end of the Wren era. He’s an outmatched buffoon and this trade seals that label forever. The team finally plays reasonably well for at least a while & what does this walking example of the Peter Principle do? Goes out & gets a headcase that represents zero upgrade, one we were actually lucky enough to have rid ourselves of in the first place. The only reasons that Wren isn’t the most incompetent part of the Braves organization are Greg Norton and now Adam “Oh, were there only two outs?” LaRoche.
I can’t even begin to come up with the last Braves trade that seemed more completely upside down and with less possible positive outcome than this one, and I was able to easily find silver linings & logic behind the Tex rental so it’s not as though I’m the world’s toughest trade analyst.
The sad part is that Wren is in a position to do far more long term damage than any of the players. Putting him in the job was a horrible mistake. Leaving him in the job for another minute is even worse.
“A little surprised but not overwhelmingly surprised, which is how the game is, the business is,” Kotchman said. “Not a whole lot goes through my mind because it’s something you know is in their hands, to make moves or not. I’m just thankful for the opportunity to be here and play for Bobby Cox. That’s been a privilege to play for him and his staff, the teammates here. Headed to Boston.”
We talk baseball, other sports, music, movies, BBQ and whatever (except politics or religion)
Atlanta Braves RSS feed
Previous entries »
Send a feedback technical issue
Vacation stops, manage subscriptions and more
Visitor Agreement | Privacy Statement© 2013 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution