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Lew
July 30th, 2009
5:55 pm
BFIR-I’d still like to see a lot more from Nate before I pronounce it a successful trade.
The past couple of winters, I wish I had a buck for very time some Denizen claimed that what we needed to win was to pick up Casey Kotchman and Nate McLouth.
We’ve done so and we’re still arguing who else we need. Maybe we should have listened and gone and picked up CoCo Crisp and Rocco Baldelli, too. They’ve GOT to be the missing pieces, right?
BravesFanChris24
July 30th, 2009
5:55 pm
Harrison is a 3B prospect.
Lew
July 30th, 2009
5:55 pm
And Ryan Freel, of course.
Oliver
July 30th, 2009
5:56 pm
XM radio says Heath Bell to the Braves, Martin Prado to the Padres.
Shamus Thacker
July 30th, 2009
5:56 pm
Anders: We have Francoeur now.
And we hope he continues to do well so the Muts will re-up his sorry azz.
We’ll get the last laugh….
bravesfanmetsland
July 30th, 2009
5:56 pm
DOB coming off the top rope with the Snidely Whiplash remark. Impressive my man
OklahomaBrave
July 30th, 2009
5:56 pm
I think I say Hohn in tombstone…..no he was eating a tombstone.
Supes
July 30th, 2009
5:57 pm
XM radio says Heath Bell to the Braves, Martin Prado to the Padres.
**********
I sincerely hope that’s a joke
nolie
July 30th, 2009
5:57 pm
Mark Reynolds would be the cheapest shot at POWER…Also, the guy has 15 STEALS…(UNCBrave)
is nobody on this board aware of home/away splits? He isn’t gonna leave that bandbox and come to the Ted and hit anything like he does now.
McFann Ô
July 30th, 2009
5:57 pm
Richbrave ANDERS:
Of course you don’t. Ask McFANN.
Yeah…Betran once said, about the Braves, something to the effect that the Mets shouldn’t have let “these people” come into their (the Mets’) stadium and win the series, which the Braves had done.
Shamus Yes [BMac is due against the Marlins] McFann, but I honestly feel like tonight is the night, for him and the Bravos.
[sigh]…I hope you’re right!
amicusterrae
July 30th, 2009
5:58 pm
Bell for Prado???
Please NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Noah
July 30th, 2009
5:58 pm
Hudson may not be a reliver but neither was Randy Johnson but he pitched some big games in relief. More importantly that was the rumor that the braves weren’t looking so hard for relief because they thought they had their solution in asking Hudson to come back in relief (gets him back quicker)
Marc in FL
July 30th, 2009
5:58 pm
Oliver is screwing with you guys, lol, I don’t even need to research that to know it’s not true.
David O'Brien
July 30th, 2009
5:59 pm
Got a few things going on today.
1. Jeff Bennett is a free agent. Braves had suspended his pay after he broke his hand punching the wall, and Bennett filed a grievance. Braves had to either give him his pay or let him become a free agent, and they opted for latter option.
2. Players were shocked that Hohn fist-bumped the Marlins catcher after final out last night. Chipper said he’s never seen anything like that in 16 years in the majors, and he hopes the league reviews the tapes of the game and fines Hohn and announces he’s been fined, etc. Chipper said a guy umping like Hohn has against the Braves this season makes a player not want to play, because you feel like you’ve got no chance in that game. Cox had no comment, but it was apparent that he was quite taken aback by the incident, too.
And I just got Hohn as he was arriving at ballpark. He wouldn’t comment, because the crew chief told him not to. “There’s nothing there,” the crew chief said after I said I wanted to ask about the fist-bump. All Hohn would say was “No comment.” and “The league reviewed” the game and the incident.
3. Church is out of the lineup because his right elbow is nagging him, has been for a while, but acted up when he swung through a pitch on Friday. It’s his lead elbow, so he can’t drive the ball well with it sore. MRI showed only some inflammation, just needs rest. Diaz is in there.
MORE TO COME on all these matters, but I’ve got to write now for paper/online stories.
LINEUP
1. McLouth
2. Johnson
3. Chipper
4. McCann
5. Anderson
6. Escobar
7. Kotchman
8. Diaz, RF
9. Vazquez
Lew
July 30th, 2009
5:59 pm
Told you KJ was going to start tonight-and apparently tomorow, too And the next day, and…….
TNBravesfan
July 30th, 2009
5:59 pm
thats a joke on that Prado for Bell thing right?
OklahomaBrave
July 30th, 2009
5:59 pm
If it didn’t totally screw up our teams phsychy i dont think that is a bad trade. Know way is that true.
StingerSplash
July 30th, 2009
6:01 pm
Braves better hope Hohn doesn’t have to make any close calls tonight. Is he at third or first base?
Hope his stache doesn’t get in the way of his vision.
wjones
July 30th, 2009
6:01 pm
Paul Lentz, breathe a little easier my friend. The Jeff Bennett era is over.
BravesFanChris24
July 30th, 2009
6:02 pm
Interesting lineup there.
Hohn should be fined for it.
OklahomaBrave
July 30th, 2009
6:02 pm
Heath Bell is a legit closer that I believe is relatively cheap. I LOVE Prado but if that trade is straight up I might have to do it.
Marc in FL
July 30th, 2009
6:02 pm
It’s not true cause the Padres would want more than Prado for Bell. Like I said, I’m starting a “JUST SAY NO TO TOWERS!” clothing line.
David O'Brien
July 30th, 2009
6:02 pm
Oh, and Bobby wouldn’t comment on it, but Hohn had the lineup card out because he said he was going to throw someone out and didn’t know who, because he’d heard someone shout from the dugout and didn’t know who it was.
As I type this, Prado is being helped up after getting hit, I think, by a line drive during BP. Looks like he got hit in the ankle, he’s limping off the field now on his own, but with trainer at his side. So we’re probably gonna have another lineup change
DOB's Mom
July 30th, 2009
6:03 pm
Jeff Bennett is gone, YES!!
Jeff R
July 30th, 2009
6:03 pm
Jeff Bennett… what an “impact” player – with the wall, that is!
Doc Holiday
July 30th, 2009
6:04 pm
Whats do you guys think is best for the braves?
a giants sweep or a phillies sweep?
Braves326
July 30th, 2009
6:04 pm
So, Prado potentially gets traded and isn’t in the line-up tonight?
Let’s hope KJ brings that big bat with him today.
BravesFanChris24
July 30th, 2009
6:04 pm
Hmmm.
I really hope Wren does some moves tomorrow to help out. Not saying it has to be a blockbuster, but something needs to be done for sure.
OklahomaBrave
July 30th, 2009
6:05 pm
that squashes the fake trade but, Prado wasn’t in your original lineup.
Shamus Thacker
July 30th, 2009
6:05 pm
We #18 in the SI Power Rankings.
wjones
July 30th, 2009
6:06 pm
DOB, your lineup didn’t have Prado in it anyways. Please let us know his status (duh, of course you will). Thanks.
Marc in FL
July 30th, 2009
6:06 pm
I hope we trade Greg Norton for V-Mart, straight up I say!
BravesFanChris24
July 30th, 2009
6:06 pm
Astros released a good ole friend of ours….Russ Ortiz.
McFann Ô
July 30th, 2009
6:07 pm
Wow. Thanks Chief! Jeff Bennett…sheesh…
Who’s the crew chief? Guess that kinda makes sense for him to tell Billy the Kid not to comment…Int’resting stuff from Chipper, too. I hope they fine that guy! And if they do, yeah, we better hear about it!
And thanks for the lineup.
Jeff R
July 30th, 2009
6:07 pm
Prado dinked by a ball in the ankle… what a break for Kelly Johnson. Hope Kelly has been taking a little extra fielding practice. Oh, and where have you gone Brooks Conrad?
Robert
July 30th, 2009
6:07 pm
“But really monty you think this guy should be in the rotation over Tim Hudson????”
What kind of durability and results are you expecting from Hudson in his first 8 or 10 starts back from such a serious surgery and long layoff? I certainly dont throw him out there every fifth day from the get go thinking he;s gonna be an automatic seven innings
Let’s see what Hudson has when he actually gets back against live major league hitting, maybe in a start, maybe in a relief appearance, and then assess which guy serves the Braves best in the rotation the rest of the year
DOB's Mom
July 30th, 2009
6:07 pm
So the Dodgers, Cards, Phillies, Giants and Cubs improved their teams while the Braves did nothing. I guess they feel they are out of it already. I can’t say I blame them.
BravesFanChris24
July 30th, 2009
6:07 pm
With Jeff Bennett a free agent, the money that was going towards him should be able to help in a trade ~_~
Lew
July 30th, 2009
6:08 pm
I thought Prado was sitting tonight out, anyway?
Jeff321
July 30th, 2009
6:08 pm
Good RIDDANCE to Jeff Bennett!
WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
McFann Ô
July 30th, 2009
6:09 pm
Ha! He didn’t know who’s voice he heard…
Um…Prado wasn’t in the original lineup…so why would there have to be a change if he got hit?
semiballcoach
July 30th, 2009
6:09 pm
you couldn’t get a shopping cart for norton
Bravetiger
July 30th, 2009
6:09 pm
DOB – Prado wasn’t in the lineup anyway was he? He’s not on the one posted at 5:59.
Marc in FL
July 30th, 2009
6:09 pm
Taken straight from the MLB.com, thought this had some neat stats (nothing too special though)
“Tidbits
Jair Jurrjens posted his 15th quality start of the season on Tuesday night. The Braves rank fourth in the Majors with 59 quality starts. Last year, they ranked 20th with a total of 75. … Anderson has homered in the first two games of this series and four times since the All-Star break. He had just five homers in the 67 games he played before the break. … The Braves have allowed a Major League-low 68 homers this year. Wednesday night marked the fourth time this year that one of their starters (Kenshin Kawakami) allowed at least three homers in a game.”
Jeff R
July 30th, 2009
6:09 pm
Hudson needs to be worked back into the rotation. I’m all for him replacing Kawakami, but he needs to be eased in.
Robert
July 30th, 2009
6:09 pm
Lew – sticks and stones may break my bones but lame attempts at insultss from a twinkie guzzling lardass with a drug-damaged brain aint about to ruin my day
amicusterrae
July 30th, 2009
6:10 pm
The suprising thing about Bennett is that he filed a grievance!
The Braves made him punch that wall?
dogsbrekky
July 30th, 2009
6:10 pm
Jeff Bennett a FA = there is a wonderful god
Prado for Bell = god makes me cry some days
David O'Brien
July 30th, 2009
6:10 pm
Actually there wouldn’t be a lineup change, since Prado’s not in there tonight anyway
kelevra
July 30th, 2009
6:10 pm
the blue jays need to take a look at the orioles and see how to mange trading an ace. the orioles went in to all out rebuilding and traded bedard and sherrill, adam jones, and tillman which quicky increased their rebuilding time. now they have young power house of a team coming and blue jays are the 5th best team in that division. sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet and rebuild and trading halladay for three or four stud prospects would greatt increase that time table. i just dont get why teams aspire to win 75-80 games and to be in 3rd or 4th place. either you have the horses to win it all or rebuild. what is the infation with mediocrity. for years the pirates actual goal has been to be a .500 team. really? i just dont get. i say all this because its where the braves are and i feel our managment has taken this attitude and an aweful place to be. either you have the horses to win it all or you rebuild but staying in 70 to 80 wins every year does nothing.
Couch Tater
July 30th, 2009
6:10 pm
Chop, Mitchie-san,
Dejan Kovacevic’s chat transcript. (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09211/987523-63.stm
wjones
July 30th, 2009
6:10 pm
“So the Dodgers, Cards, Phillies, Giants and Cubs improved their teams while the Braves did nothing. I guess they feel they are out of it already. I can’t say I blame them.”
Didn’t you READ? We gave the league back Jeff Bennett! One more Jeff that won’t harm us anymore!
Mixxo
July 30th, 2009
6:11 pm
So the Dodgers, Cards, Phillies, Giants and Cubs improved their teams while the Braves did nothing. I guess they feel they are out of it already. I can’t say I blame them. – DOB’s Mom
The writing is on the wall Ma’am. A win tonight will make for a nice July ……..anyway.
BravesFanChris24
July 30th, 2009
6:11 pm
Piggy backing Kawakami & Hudson makes sense. Let Kawakami pitch the first few innings say through 5 and let Hudson finish it off and vice versa. That way not over using Hudson and since he’s not likely to go to the BP .
Jeff R
July 30th, 2009
6:11 pm
Come on, Wren wouldn’t trade Prado for Bell. He’d trade four or five outstanding prospects for Bell. Sort of clean off the minor league shelf.
Steve from OH
July 30th, 2009
6:12 pm
being right handed with more power and more speed
Except that his SB% is around 70% meaning he costs you runs on the basepaths, and his power and OBP decrease badly away from AZ and against righties. If the price is mega-cheap, sure, but we ain’t gonna be serious buyers because we can’t afford it. And I’m glad because we don’t need to be big buyers.
Lew
July 30th, 2009
6:12 pm
Robert-Better go get that Clown glove and your Astroglide ready. It’s almost game time and I’m sure Bobby will do something to titillate you and Bozo Boy. Just think-maybe he’ll get thrown out again or put in the wrong reliever. You could be writhing in sheer ecstasy by the 5th.
The A Bomb
July 30th, 2009
6:12 pm
No lineup change, but somewhere in Land Shark Stadium, a 68-year-old man is sitting in an office smoking a Cuban cigar, smiling. . . for his adopted son can return to his designated role.
Robert
July 30th, 2009
6:14 pm
My guess on the HOFer that used PED’s would be Eckersley – if in fact it’s true that there is one
Braves326
July 30th, 2009
6:14 pm
KJ has done a good job swinging the bat since coming up from Gwinnett, what’s wrong with giving him a start?
Paul Lentz
July 30th, 2009
6:15 pm
David O’Brien………….Finally, some good news in the “get rid of the bums” department. Jeff Bennent is no longer a Brave. Way to go Frank Wren. Dude slammed his fist into the wall. That is a non-baseball related injury. Braves management has every right to refuse to pay him.
One BUM down, a couple more to go. Nice job Frank Wren.
dogsbrekky
July 30th, 2009
6:15 pm
“Does anybody remmber laughter”
My radio station just followed up Led Zep live “StairwaY” with Bon Jovi
kind of like hearing we traded Prado to San Diego to only find out it wasnt for AGONZ
Interested Observer
July 30th, 2009
6:15 pm
DOB: Thank you for getting the lowdown on everything from yesterday. It’s excellent work and much appreciated.
Robert
July 30th, 2009
6:15 pm
“Jose Canseco says there’s a HOFer that used PED’s. I haven’t heard one thing this ass clown has said to be untrue”
What kind of world do you live in where someone who speaks only the truth is what qualifies as an ass-clown?
woogidy
July 30th, 2009
6:16 pm
Jeff Bennett Gone? Christmas in July folks. A-w-e-s-o-m-e! What could be better than that?
Steve from OH
July 30th, 2009
6:16 pm
And I agree with Efrim and Chop Chop on the Pirates. I agree that I would’ve kept McLouth, but I see this as a complete rebuilding and more of a Neil Huntington is cleaning house and starting from the ground up to make it his club the way he wants it type thing.
KillerHohn
July 30th, 2009
6:17 pm
All of this “the Braves did nothing” stuff is absolutely astounding to me. They did nothing but replace 2/3 of their outfield this season! Some folks act as if Frank Wren has to make moves when other GM’s make moves or he hasn’t done anything. You rarely see a team change their whole roster within the season. Is that what you want?
kelevra
July 30th, 2009
6:17 pm
“capps, duke, and maholm better start packing, there the only major leaguers left”
lol dodgers looking at capps
Lew
July 30th, 2009
6:17 pm
Braves326-He’s not the Player Du Jour.
Lawdawg
July 30th, 2009
6:17 pm
I’m hearing on ESPN radio that the Braves have traded Prado to the Pads for Heath Bell. Anybody here that can deny/accept that this has been done?
Shamus Thacker
July 30th, 2009
6:17 pm
Braves326: KJ has done a good job swinging the bat since coming up from Gwinnett, what’s wrong with giving him a start?
Mr Cox?
TnBrian
July 30th, 2009
6:17 pm
Can’t blame Chipper for being frustrated and feeling defeated because players have no control over an umps actions other than screaming and yelling only to get thrown out of a game. But, saying it makes him not even want to play? I think he could’ve used a better choice of words. The man has all the talent in the world to overcome a prick like Hohn.
Robert
July 30th, 2009
6:18 pm
Anyone consider that Hohn might’ve pulled out the lineup card because Donk had to ask him who he should have batting?
Chris
July 30th, 2009
6:19 pm
Why no Prado?
KillerHohn
July 30th, 2009
6:19 pm
Tell me you are joking about Martin Prado being traded for Heath Bell! Tell me its a complete joke! I’m sick already.
TnBrian
July 30th, 2009
6:19 pm
That Prado to Padres rumor had better be false or I might go and hit a wall or something. Wren can’t be that stupid. Bell is a good one but Prado is too important to this team. No way that’s true.
njbraves
July 30th, 2009
6:19 pm
Paul Lentz…so now you’re second guarantee has proven to be wrong. You have been saying all along that Bennett would be back out there blowing games for the Braves. You also said that KJ would come back and destroy the team. You are now 0-2.
Loyal Homer
July 30th, 2009
6:20 pm
DOB, I hope this was just Ol Billy being surprised last night and hoping it was just his natural reaction to fist him back.
BTW DOB, I wrote about you in my blog yesterday. I have attached the link. It deals with ESPN branching out to big cities (ESPN-Chicago for example).But basically, just wanted to say I appreciated all the work you do to keep us Braves fans up on whats going on.
http://thesportsdebates.com/2009/07/29/the-espn-dedicated-local-coverage-debate-–-stay-away-espn/
UNCBrave
July 30th, 2009
6:20 pm
I liked the way the Braves handled the Jeff Bennett issue and thank goodness I never have to see him pitch again.
On HUDSON, getting 6 innings out of him is more than what KK is giving us….KK is too expensive for a reliever. Trade him for a bat in the off-season if not now…
1st time PRado’s had a night off in a long time…
dogsbrekky
July 30th, 2009
6:20 pm
Given that the East German swimmers were ‘roided out of their Brains in the mid 1970s (remember Cornelius Ender etc) and Ben Johnson, Flo-Jo etc were roided and uppered out of their minds in 1988 what makes us think that PEDs were not part of baseball in the late 80s and early 90s, as testing back then was non existent and even the sports that did test had very rudimentary knowledge of the problems
There HAS to be a statistical likelihood that several hof inductees were NOT clean
Redstick19
July 30th, 2009
6:20 pm
XM has reported that the Braves have traded a blogger named “Oliver” to San Diego for a bag of used PED syringes.
KillerHohn
July 30th, 2009
6:21 pm
What does this team need worse? Bullpen help or offense? If a trade is going to be made- and I don’t think Atlanta should make a deal- it had better be for a BIG bat! I’m about to take a baseball bat to my computer while a picture of Frank Wren is posted on it! Sorry for the meltdown.
woogidy
July 30th, 2009
6:21 pm
Oh, and for the Nate complainers, Remember Jordan Schafer. Remember a strike out every 2.65 AB’s. Just remember those times. How about this, We essentially traded Charlie Morton, Jeff Locke and Edgar Renteria for Nate McLouth and Jair Jurrjens.
UNCBrave
July 30th, 2009
6:21 pm
Just adding Conrad and DFA Norton would be a BIG upgrade on the offensive side..
The A Bomb
July 30th, 2009
6:21 pm
That wasn’t the lineup card Hohn pulled out. . . He was writing the date and time Bobby and him would face each other in a duel with pistols near Dodge City, Kansas.
Robert
July 30th, 2009
6:21 pm
Well, Lew maybe I’ll just do that. You go get your box of Twinkies and smoke you some good reefer so you’ll be fooled into thinking you’re watching a competetn manager. Just dont set any of your food stamps on fire
njbraves
July 30th, 2009
6:21 pm
Dear God, the Prado lovers are insane. He’s a nice player, but he is certainly not untradeable.
Mike in LA
July 30th, 2009
6:22 pm
Braves 326, whats wrong with giving him a start is the lackadasical attitude he brings and the games he’s cost the Braves in the standings the last two years as a result of it. KJ, Laroche, and Francouer all the same if you ask me. All have talent but no heart.
Jake W.
July 30th, 2009
6:22 pm
Doc, you have to root for a Phillies sweep. Of course now that the division looks to be theirs for sure they will probably start to lose.
Wolfman
July 30th, 2009
6:22 pm
http://www.hostbigimage.com/images/mekcz6mhvx98dydk4a.gif
KillerHohn
July 30th, 2009
6:22 pm
Rumor has it that Hohn was showing Bobby Cox his wife’s cell phone number is his black book.
Lew
July 30th, 2009
6:22 pm
Shamus-You’re ticked Bobby won’t play Kelly and half the rest here are ticked he IS playing him. No way in hell the Dude can win. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Robert’s already working himself into a lather.
Mark Twine
July 30th, 2009
6:23 pm
if true, bell for prado straight up would be a STEAL for atlanta i think.
Wolfman
July 30th, 2009
6:23 pm
http://www.hostbigimage.com/images/mekcz6mhvx98dydk4a.gif
the fist pump
woogidy
July 30th, 2009
6:23 pm
Prado for bell? Good deal if true.
njbraves
July 30th, 2009
6:23 pm
Robert..so you think that the entire front office of the Braves has been tricked by Bobby Cox? They all are too dumb to see that Bobby is a bad manager? That is essentially what you have been saying.
Dan in NJ
July 30th, 2009
6:24 pm
LOL… guys wouldnt want to trade a nice UTILITY player (Prado)for a CLOSER (Bell)????? Thats toooooo funny
Lew
July 30th, 2009
6:24 pm
Robeert-You’re also a raging douchebag. You do realize that, don’t you? Stroke stroke Bozo Boy.
KillerHohn
July 30th, 2009
6:25 pm
No, Prado isn’t untradeable but the Braves don’t need an average relief pitcher worse than they need a hitter. If you’re going to do that, why not trade for Kevin Kouzmanoff? I don’t like him, but you see the point.
Steve from OH
July 30th, 2009
6:25 pm
Prado for bell? Good deal if true.
I dunno about that…