2:31 pm July 30, 2009, by David O'Brien
July 30th, 20095:09 pm
If this Hohn guy is ever at Turner Field umpiring and I’m at the game then you can bet I’ll have a cherry pie in hand, run out on the field and drill him in the face with it. You heard it hear. Of course, a few drinks first would help but I’d be sure to have a buddy record every second of it.
I’ve always wondered why the MLB is so tight-lipped about how it deals with umpires in circumstances where they’re obviously out of line. I mean, it’s not like we, the fan, or the media, either, for that matter, even keep up with when these guys get off-days, etc., but I think a little public calling-onto-the-carpet is in order for guys like Hohn, when they’re out of line.
He’s not the only ump who’s had an issue with a partcicular team, and he won’t be the last, but that’s partly bedause, to me, it doesn’t seem like these guys ever have to answer to a higher authority when they do wrong. Or do they?
Dude should be suspended w/out pay for a good week of games, ya ask me, and most CERTAINLY shouldn’t be on the field for tonight’s game – or any OTHER Braves game, for that matter, and not for the first-bump, but for literally walking TO the Braves dugout to egg on an altercation.
Just in case tonight`s game breaks down and becomes a bean ball get even event. We need to have David Ross behind the plate. He`s a great clubhouse type guy, but if we need to have a stand up guy he`s my man. Any of you Marlins want a piece of David Ross?
July 30th, 20095:10 pm
“wjones, regarding your 4:21 post, what is your solution to the Braves overload of starting pitchers? Citing the unofficial DOB quote that he wouldn’t want to put a guy (Hudson) into a role he’s never assumed (relief) is all well and good, but by that reasoning, it would seem you’re suggesting that the Braves should bump their $60 million man, Derek Lowe, to the bullpen. Besides, he’s the only starting pitcher of the potential six with any substantial work out of the pen. You also mentioned Smoltz, but I see that as contradictory. Sure, they’re different kinds of pitchers, but Smoltz, much like Hudson, was coming off of major surgery and the move to the bullpen helped ease his transition back to the rotation. Seeing no seasoned bullpen man in the current rotation besides the guy you’ve paid to be your ace, I say don’t mess with the rotation and ease Hudson back into competition for a rotation spot next year with a one inning at a time mentality for the remainder of 2009.”
You forgot to turn on your sarcasm detector. I was responding to another post that was talking about not converting Hudson into a reliever because he had never done it before and it wasn’t fair to ask him to do something he had never done. My response was to compare it to Smoltz, who also had never closed, and he became arguably the best closer in Braves history. Not saying Huddy would, but almost all closers are converted starters. Eckersley is a great example, as he was considered a “washed-up” starter, far from what Hudson or Smoltz were considered.
July 30th, 20095:11 pm
“After the Peavy debacle during the off season, I don’t think the price will be that steep.”
Why would that have anything to do with it? They need to move salary, but his isn’t really one of those that needs to be moved.
Nova Scotia Steve
Kenshinty KawaKrappy, his translator, Bow Wow’s house and a low level prospect for Adrian Gonzalez
July 30th, 20095:13 pm
Kotchman w/RISP: .304 BA/.414 OBP
w/RISP and 2 outs: .361 BA/.500 OBP
Maybe you’re not watching enough games. (Piedmont)
hey you can’t let a little thing like facts get in the way of a good whine my man
man this guy needs a weedeater and trim me more than once every decade! i smell like old liver as well. please…. somebody help me!
July 30th, 20095:15 pm
cabravesfan – touche! It is difficult to have a disagreement with someone who is always right (typical male-female dynamic, I suppose). I don’t suppose they’ll let you escape work early to get home for the first pitch?
July 30th, 20095:16 pm
Yeah, big Ross doesn’t look like a guy you’d want to phuck with, for sho!
MORE CONTENDERS make moves while the Braves, in SERIOUS need of a BAT, stand pat…
CUBS get Grabow and Gorzelanny
DODGERS get Sherrill
Heck, Prado ain’t worth MY 400K either. (Wayne)
I seriously hope you are kidding that Prado ain’t worth anybody’s 400K.
What I meant by that is with the Peavy debacle, it exposed their GM for getting too greedy. I mean, you’re right, they don’t have to trade A-Gon, but if they feel like they can get a good package for him, as they should, then they’ll look to trade him without having another debacle on their hands like that.
I never thought of Mark Reynolds. That would also be worth the look. Won’t cost as much for sure.
He is a part of their core players(Him, drew, Young, Upton, Haren). I don’t see the D’Backs moving him at all. Gonzalez is hitting .250 because he has NO ONE that can hit a like around him. Put him in the Braves lineup and he will get pitches to crush. He is a slugger, more so than McCann. He will get Chipper pitches to hit more.
Anyone see Josh Anderson was traded by the Tigers (after being sent down). He was hitting .242, 13 sb’s, 16 rbi’s. So he wasn’t the gem that got away like many thought in April.
July 30th, 20095:19 pm
“MORE CONTENDERS make moves while the Braves, in SERIOUS need of a BAT, stand pat…”
What are they using to trade for this bat that you speak of?
Grabow and Gorzelanny too…
–seriously, how do stay a fan during a fire sale like that???
July 30th, 20095:20 pm
Does anyone think Frank Wren is at least playing with his Blackberry???
“Gonzalez is hitting .250 because he has NO ONE that can hit a like around him. Put him in the Braves lineup and he will get pitches to crush. He is a slugger, more so than McCann. He will get Chipper pitches to hit more.”
That’s one reason I think getting A-Gon wouldn’t be bad. Look at the lineup he’s currently in. Put him between Chipper and McCann and I’m sure that he’ll slug big time.
Grabow’s a decent reliever. Gorzelanny has been in Triple-A most of the season.
If I were a Pirates fan, I wouldn’t give two sh**s about moving those guys.
July 30th, 20095:21 pm
It is already been said that Freeman isn’t going to be a pure power hitting 1st baseman, more on the contact-some power type 1st baseman. This is a big bat, something this lineup doesn’t have and needs.
Very good point BFC24.
Noah-It wasn’t about him being a gem in April. It was about many of us believing (and apparently rightly so) that Schafer needed time at AAA before coming up to Atlanta. If we HAD done it that way instead of the way we went, maybe Jordan would be up with the big club now instead of rehabbig at Gwinnett because he was pushing so hard to impress while battling an injury.
Any word on tonight’s line-up? I have a feeling that the Braves are poised for an offensive onslaught tonight (I picked 7 Braves for my fantasy baseball team tonight…….I didnt pick Ryan Church because of today’s doubleheader in NY. I ended up picking Francoeur as my right fielder).
BravesfanChris, I think they would be able to get a ton for him. A mix of 3-4, maybe even 5 young players/prospects. I’ll be interested to see what type of haul he requires…..since ya know, he plays first base, and another trade deadline aquisition of years past played first base……
“Robert-Maybe you’d better hire that winch and pull your head out of your lower intestine before you decide to attempt matching wits”
The Robert with the rectocranial inversion syndrome you refer to is the one managing the Braves
July 30th, 20095:22 pm
I don’t usually get involved with Trade scenario’s…
But Adrian Gonzalez would look great in the clean-up spot on our team…move McCann to the five hole…Anderson sixth…Escobar 7th…WOOOOOWWWWWW
July 30th, 20095:23 pm
Chop Chop, I know they arent big stars, but for a pirates fan, its gotta be tough. This blog and the Braves nation would be rioting up and down Peachtree if the Braves were giving everyone away like that.
–Even if they do suck.
Brooklyn Braves Brawler
July 30th, 20095:24 pm
Hey, I am still a big KK fan and will continue to be. He had a crappy outing last night and that happens. Last outing he gave up one run through 5IP. I would like to see him go longer but he is not as effective, the deeper you get in games. He is steady for about 2 times during the lineup unless he is just dealing. It doesen’t help that Bill Hohn is calling balls and strikes either.
KK is fine and is much more suited to be in the rotation than Huddy coming off of injury. I almost rather have Huddy stabilize the bullpen as an option to go with Pete and Gonzo. We are getting quality starts from 1-5 in the rotation. Last night was clunker by KK, so you go and try and get it back tonight. SF, Colo,Cubs, and the Cards are not that good. The WC is in reach We are 5-game winning streak away from being the WC leaders.
There is no way to tell what kind of HR power Freeman will have at the major league level.
Look at Brian McCann? Did he project as a power hitting catcher in the minors? I don’t recall it. There have been many instances where a player develops the HR power at the major league level for whatever reason.
I firmly believe Freeman can be a 20-25HR per season guy eventually if given the 1B job.
Word is that the Phils are still looking to grab Halladay from the Jays. Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Blanton, Moyer for this year and next year.
See you in 2011, Braves fans
2010 Braves starting rotation:
Jair Jurjjens, Derek Lowe, Javy Vazquez, Tim Hudson, Tommy Hanson.
EAT IT TROLL
Mitchie-san, they weren’t going anywhere with those guys. They didn’t have a good farm system, so Huntington is trying to strengthen it. That’s pretty much the only way a small market team can win now, cheap, good, young players that are controllable for years. They are hoping some of these guys they acquired in trade can blossom into that.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
Nice try, but Mark Reynolds is making $425K this year. They’ll trade Conor Jackson or Chad Tracy before they move Reynolds.
Would we like either one of them? Jackson’s been on the DL since May and Tracy’s putting up Francouer-as-a-Brave production.
We need relief pitching more then we need a bat. I’ll take my chances with the lineup, lets get an arm before our bullpen falls apart.
I hear Maddog tested positive to hamburgers but there was much consternation when a Wendys, Ronnie McD’s and Burger King showed up in the same test
Greg vehemently denies ever using Burger King to improve his performance
Interesting to see who else worked out with “THAT” Dominican trainer.. I think Pedro was also there yes ??
reynolds isnt exactly playing on the 27 yankees either and has still put up better numbers. i know he has upton but he hits behind upton therefore upton does nothing to protect him. and hes no more part of the diamondbacks than gonzalez is the padres core. anyway you slice it, you can get more for less with reynolds
July 30th, 20095:25 pm
Umpires have a long season. Road trips one after another that never seem to end. It would be hard to have a normal family life. When Billy Hohn gets home, do you think he`s very nice to the Mrs?
Re -Adrian Gonzalez – another big slow .250 hitter is not what this team needs
July 30th, 20095:26 pm
That is all I am saying, the Braves have to take a look him. The deals which went down today also say the same thing. The Braves can’t stand pat, the Braves can seriously compete. Now, they have to make a move which says they can and they will compete in these races. This is different than 07(when all those moves were made. That team was in far worse shape top to bottom than this team). JS thought the Braves would slug their way to the postseason, problem was that team had no arms. This team has arms and can compete
July 30th, 20095:27 pm
“since ya know, he plays first base, and another trade deadline aquisition of years past played first base……”
Completely different scenarios. Tex was going for the big dollars once he reached FA anyways. Yes, that trade does look bad, but it hasn’t turned out THAT bad either.
A-Gon on the other hand would be here for 3 years in a friendly contract. After that, if he likes playing, he could easily be resigned.
I don’t think Jurrjens/Hanson/Heyward would be in the package at all. Of course, the package would have to be good, but I don’t think it’ll be as big of a kings ransom as you might would think.
But he is apart of their core. And even though he plays 1st occasionally, he really plays 3rd Base. Don’t want to send the wrong message to U Know Who, and start a clubhouse rift.
July 30th, 20095:28 pm
Not likely…really could use some play by play for the car ride
Robert-Is that what Bozo, your clown glove told you last night during the throes of Bobby Cox’s ejection?
July 30th, 20095:29 pm
I understand the reasoning behind a fire sale, my point is it gotta feel pretty bad to be a fan and know its going to be even MORE years until the Pirates will be competitive again.
July 30th, 20095:30 pm
I wouldn’t mind see Adrian Gonzalez in a Braves uniform, not sure what it would take though. Not giving up Hanson or Jurrjens to get him.
Had Anderson stayed with the Braves, the McLouth deal probably never happens. Instead, Schafer (had he been healthy) would have been called up and we would see how he performed in the majors. Of course, Anderson could have stunk up the joint as he eventually did in Detroit and the Braves woudn’t even be sniffing the wild card.
Amazing how polarizing a marginal major leaguer was among the fan base!
July 30th, 20095:31 pm
guys im not saying reynolds wouldnt cost alot because he would, im saying he would cost us less than a-gon and he is more versatile and fits our team better (being right handed with more power and more speed)
Sadtosee-Likely his wife’s attitude depends on whether or not Hohn performs like Ron Jeremy or just looks like him.
July 30th, 20095:32 pm
Guys, relax. We’ve made our moves already, AND we’re getting Hudson and Infante back.
That’s another good arm and another good bat.
Yeah, man. That stache has got to go.
cabravesfan – I’ll see what I can arrange – just roll down the window and let the wind blow back your hair, and you might hear it.
July 30th, 20095:33 pm
I agree that it has to suck to be a Pirates fan. As a former Denver resident who grew to like the Rockies, at least you can say that Dan O’Dowd built a young club around a terrific veteran in Todd Helton and a rising star in Holliday. (And they got quality in return for Holliday.) The Pirates have nothing close to that on the roster now.
July 30th, 20095:34 pm
Yeah, Efrim. I like what the Pirates are doing. I’m not a prospect-hugger, but if my best players aren’t good enough to win in the majors on a consistent basis, I’d want my front office to do whatever it takes to acquire players who have the potential to be better.
BFIR-Anderson may have performed well enough early in the season to bridge the gap until Jordan was ready. Damn-even that .240 something and 13 stolen bases beat hell out of the numbers Schafer put up during his stay in Atlanta.
July 30th, 20095:35 pm
Nova Scotia Steve
You have been very outspoken in your criticism of KK. Last night’s game was bad and maybe a game or so at the beginning of the year. Numbers were given yesterday by DOB showing how well he has pitched of late. Just got to ask you if you were as critical on here of D.Lowe when he was getting his arse handed to him a few weeks ago going 5 innings or less in at least 3 games. Once getting knocked out in the second inning and another time unable to make it through the 4th? Hardly what you expect from your “15 million dollar man”. I want call him our “ace” lest people get offended. Just curious? Or is it just a race thing?
July 30th, 20095:36 pm
Mark Reynolds would be the cheapest shot at POWER…Also, the guy has 15 STEALS…
July 30th, 20095:37 pm
BFIR-Besides, I’m still waiting for McLouth to actually impress us. He’s been relatively underwhelming to this point. Made a couple of nice plays, but his BA sucks and there hasn’t been much in the way of power output or stolen bases from him. Not saying that Josh would have been better, but still and all, the deal isn’t working out ion an exemplary fashion to this point, is it?
Maybe not. And if my house burned to the ground, I wouldn’t mind much if then my chimney fell. It’s just piling on now, if I’m a Pirates fan. Jason Bay-gone. Xavier Nady-gone. Nate McClouth-gone. Adam LaRoche-gone. Freddie Sanchez-gone. Jack Wilson-gone. Almost their entire lineup from last year, then all the pitchers, too. You know, it’s like someone else said, they are like the Marlins without the championship every 5 or 6 years (and it has been 6 years since the last one–maybe I jinxed them!).
July 30th, 20095:38 pm
RE: Anderson –
Maybe. The problem I see is that Bobby wanted to hit Anderson in the leadoff spot rather than 8th, like he did with Schafer. That would have made a punchless offense even worse. (And Schafer was getting on base more often than Anderson, even with the bad wrist …)
July 30th, 20095:39 pm
hahah yeah monty its a race thing! that’s exactly what it is.
D. Lowe is a proven successful starter in this league regular and post season…I knew the guy would bounce back.
Can’t say the same about KK…Like you honestly have faith that we’re going to win a game this man starts?
I certainly don’t…he’s the weakest link
July 30th, 20095:40 pm
Mark Reynolds would be the cheapest shot at POWER…Also, the guy has 15 STEALS
Braves have their own verison of Reynolds in A right now. Cody Johnson is his name. He’ll be here in 2-3 years time.
Also, you do realize the D’Backs would want Freeman and or pitching back in return?
experts say the wilson and sanchez trades were the best two trades they have made in years, its sad the pirates got more for those two than they did for bay and nady (i think they got pretty good value for mclouth as well) so maybe they can turn it around. gotta feel bad for those fans. havent won since bonds left
Nate with the Braves:
.261/.348/.444 6 HR, 18 RBI, 31 RS, 8/9 SB (in less than 1/3 of a season)
That’s a lot better than we’d get from Anderson or Schafer (at least this season), IMO
July 30th, 20095:41 pm
BFIR-With Jordan in the eighth slot, he was being walked to get to the pitcher-THAT’S what saved his OBP from the depths of total depravity (and consistent reviling by the blog, in it’s infinite wisdom). It also points out the one flaw with reliance on OBP as the be all and end all of stats. It can really be misleading.
The A Bomb
If you put Hohn’s mug shot into sepia you could swear he could have umped in the 1880s. . . Maybe he did vote for Grover Cleveland.
Or as I said last night — he’s twins with the Cincinnati Reds mascot.
PREDICTION FOR TONIGHT: Chipper starts chipping early. . .gets the heave-ho. . . followed by Cox. . . . who will be smiling on the way out because he can now put Kelly Johnson on the field.
True, Hudson & Infante are on their way back. However, they are still question marks. I’m not saying they won’t be effective when they get back, but then again, can’t guarantee they will. Even if they did, it’d be too little too late and sadly it looks likely to be that way.
If they can do something tomorrow and get something worthy plus having them (Hudson/Infante) on their way back is much better than counting on them solely to come back and be effective, when there’s no guarantee they will.
I do hope for them to be effective when they get back, but counting on them to be so without doing anything else by “standing pat”, it may not be the best thing to do.
July 30th, 20095:42 pm
I would like to see McLouth get on base more often because he just does not get caught stealing. That’s a part of his game he could improve.
And also I would like to add…I was very positive about the KK signing when it happened.
But really monty you think this guy should be in the rotation over Tim Hudson????
More than we’d get from a pitiful, injured Schafer and Josh, who would have been a stop gap at best, but are those numbers what were expected from our super speedy center fielder? I don’t think so.
July 30th, 20095:43 pm
Braveheart would love this one-Hohn looks like Daniel Day Lewis in Gangs of New York.
July 30th, 20095:44 pm
Bill Hohn can suck it.
We’re winning this damn game tonight. I won’t be able to watch it but my heart tells me the Braves will be kicking some pathetic Marlin ass in my absence.
The Marlins f*ing suck if you ask me.
Sorry if I’ve missed it somewhere, but did anyone ever get to the bottom of why Moron-Hohn pulled out the lineup card? Bizarro.
At least he got his name in USA Today, and got some TV face time, which is so obviously his goal. He’s in the same club as Joe West, Jeff Kellogg and Angel Hernandez, who also like to be noticed.
Ever hear much about umps like Gerry Davis, Jerry Layne, and Dana DeMuth, to name a few? Well, there’s a reason for that. They call a game and fans never notice them. That means they’re good.
I hope Hudson is great but don’t expect it this year coming back from that injury. I’d count on him being more himself by next year but if he can provide a boost to the bullpen that would be huge.
July 30th, 20095:45 pm
I should stop talking about what-ifs with Schafer because his first stint with the Braves didn’t say anything. We don’t know how much his injury affected his game. Or was he just nervous or overwhelmed by being in the majors?
That said, while OBP is not the be-all and end-all stat, but it’s mighty important for your leadoff man to get on base (more important than BA in isolation) and Josh, given a chance to play a lot in Detroit, got on base at a horrific pace — though not that much worse than he did throughout his minor league career, as several of us pointed out when he was with the Braves.
The only guy the Pirates traded that I, being in the same situation, would have kept is Nate McLouth.
Got a non-Braves question for the blog…I was prompted to ugrade to Windows I.E. 8…now my Google and Yahoo toolbars are gone…and I always get this message “Internet Explorer is currently running with add-ons disabled. Click here to manage, disable, or remove your add-ons.” Any help?
July 30th, 20095:46 pm
Tim Hudson will not be pitching out of the bullpen
UNCBrave, My God, chill man! The Braves aren’t getting anybody and really, who’s out there that won’t cost this team’s best prospects in return? Besides maybe a RP and you know if he’s good then he won’t come cheap either. Not top prospects but a guy who can really help as PH/spot starter in KJ would probably be wanted by other teams. It is what it is with this team for ‘09. I know it might be boring but so were a lot of those teams in the 90’s and it all seemed to work out fine.
I’d take 100 RS and 27/30 steals from the leadoff spot. That’s what McLouth projects in a 600 AB season.
July 30th, 20095:47 pm
Here is something I’m wondering about McClouth, and I would think the Braves maybe would pick up on it, as they unually do. It seems he has had a great deal of problems with seeing fly balls, and losing them or nearly losing them. Could it be a vision issue? Could his defense AND his batting average be helped if it is a vision thing? The Braves discovered a problem with Diaz, after lesser teams gave up on him. Just thinking.
If you click on the link in my last post, you will see–he is BEYOND due against this team…
Yes his is McFann, but I honestly feel like tonight is the night, for him and the Bravos.
July 30th, 20095:48 pm
BFIR-Yes, OBP and getting on base is important for your leadoff hitter. However, claiming that a #8 hitter has a great OBP because he walks to get to the pitchers’ spot, while batting al, of .220 is hardly the same thing.
The Padres are going to try to rip someone off for Adrian like they tried to rip people off for Peavy. I’m going to start a clothing line that only sells “JUST SAY NO TO TOWERS!” T-shirts.
Any deal that gives up Hewyard or Freeman is not only a bad idea, but not going to happen, the Front Office has already made that perfectly clear.
That too, Lew.
Bill “the Butcher” Hohn
I guess the Braves must be the Dead Rabbits.
July 30th, 20095:49 pm
More proof that Hohn wants to be the show. . .
Think about it, why would MLB allow facial hair for the umps?
Shouldn’t they just blend in? Shouldn’t they all look like the local delivery guy?
Having a ’stache that brings up memories of Dodge City should NEVER be allowed. But Hohn just wants to be the show.
MLB — WAKE THE HELL UP.
and most importantly, has better number in basically every offensive category. plus he is right handed (Kelevra)
not away from his home park he doesn’t, not even close
I haven’t seen a lot of the games, but is McLouth having trouble tracking balls because of the screwed-up lighting at Turner Field? That seems to be a recurring problem.
July 30th, 20095:50 pm
Much like Daniel Plainview, I think Bill Hohn needs religion.
Mitchell, yes the Marlins do suck…just ask Jurrjens and Moyer who feed this team a diet of offspeed pitches and mix in some fastballs. Ask Uggla how that 12-6 curve from Kawakami was last night. They are a FB hitting team, period. Anybody who watched these last two games and think the Fish are better just doesn’t observe things very well. I am a Fish hater!
Nova Scotia…I understand the reaction to Hudson in the bullpen but it makes a lot of sense and it has been reported by Fox Sports (despite Cox saying he will start, typical mgr reaction until the time comes). The Braves need help in the bullpen and he would be able to help quicker there. Why not. Lowe, Smoltz both pitched in the pen during their careers.
Marc in FL
July 30th, 20095:51 pm
McLout has done a good job at getting on base, he just needs to stop trying to hit a HR every single at bat and try to get on base in ways other than walks. I’m a bit frustrated with him right now, but we have him for a few more years and I think he’s going to be good for us.
ESPN Chicago says the Cubs sent pitchers Kevin Hart and Jose Ascanio to Pittsburgh for Grabow and Gorzelanny.
Very interesting ~_~
I think the pornstache is glued on.
Former Brave Jose Ascanio, part of the Gorzelanny/Grabow deal. (Dr. Grabow. Maker of cheap and really lousy tobacco pipes.)
July 30th, 20095:53 pm
The A Bomb – my local pizza delivery guy has a mustache, and I think he may have serial killed people just a little bit… Point noted though.
July 30th, 20095:54 pm
I haven’t seen a lot of the games, but is McLouth having trouble tracking balls because of the screwed-up lighting at Turner Field? That seems to be a recurring problem.”
Yes, I think that was part of the problem with that ball that fell behind him at Turner last week, that thankfully Loaf was behind him to hustle in the throw (boy was that weird!). But he had a close call in Milwaukee, too, I think, and the thing the other night in Landshark where the ball fell between him and Loaf. Something is causing him to lose sight of the ball at times.
Hudson is not reliver…simply put
Steve from OH
July 30th, 20095:55 pm
orioles got good team coming very soon
So package is Hart, Ascanio, and Harrison for Grabow/Gorzelanny.
Jose Canseco says there’s a HOFer that used PED’s. I haven’t heard one thing this ass clown has said to be untrue. I wonder who it could be? If it is a certain SS that played in Baltimore I would consider giving up on the game but, I believe it would be one of his former teamates that just got inducted.
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