2:31 pm July 30, 2009, by David O'Brien
July 31st, 20099:45 am
RHR, I’d help, but wouldn’t be able to make it there until the grill was fired up and the beverages were frothy.
Rock On....the denizen formerly known as Dadgum
July 31st, 20099:47 am
Shane…your 9:37, now that would be dumb. Guess we are tied for the dumb post lead if you are keeping score at home. Come on now somebody give us a run for our money. I am going to appoint N8 as the scorekeeper and to be on the lookout for dumb posts. NEW CARS can be our sargeant-at-arms. Willieg is now scared and we may not see Anders for two days.
July 31st, 20099:48 am
Need to say this about Wren. He needs to be congratulated for showing restraint. I think he’s being sensible about the trade deadline. Getting a power bat (if available) or a solid reliever, comes with high price tags (perhaps less so for a reliever). But with Freeman and Heyward coming along, with Medlen developing, 2010 and ‘11 could be very good years for the Braves.
And then there’s the post-season. Wren can look at the free agent landscape – and trades, without having to pay the jacked-up prices that summer trading deadline commands.
July 31st, 20099:50 am
Look at what the Pirates have gotten this year:
Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin, Nathan Adcoc, Jeff Clement, Ronny Cedeno, Eric Fryer, Casey Erickson, Lastings Milledge, Joel Hanrahan, Gorkys Hernandez, Charlie Morton, Jeff Locke, Tim Alderson, Josh Harrison. Kevin Hart, Jose Ascanio
They done good in this fire-sale I think.
if adrian gonzalez can be had, i think the braves should at least be looking into it. i would be willing to include schafer and freeman if thats what they are looking for. gonzalez would not be a tex type of trade, he is signed for 2.5 more years at a vary low salary.
July 31st, 20099:52 am
Any talk this morning on possible trade moves? If the Braves dont do anything that just tells me that they dont care about this year.
We are in this thing and could make the wildcard but we gotta have another relief pitcher and we need to either bring a bat up and do away with norton or we need to make a move.
There is no reason to keep Norton on the bench for a pinch hitter when we have people that can hit much better.
July 31st, 20099:53 am
The Braves are in the wild-card hunt as is. Yes, it would be nice to make a couple of improvements (the aforementioned power bat and bullpen arm), but the price tags have to be reasonable.
And let’s not forget that the Braves’ offense has finally started to produce. They scored six runs last night against the fishies.
If anything, it’s bullpen fatigue that should be the prime concern. Gonzo and Soriano both blew leads in the Florida series. The stretch can be cruel on overworked arms.
July 31st, 20099:54 am
Jeff….agreed but still too early to put the stamp of approval on Hudson without a solid sampling. They will keep KK probably splitting starts with Hudson and getting some interim relief work. I also don’t think it is outside the boundaries of belief that the Braves would eat some of the guaranteed money in KK’s contract if the right trade came along and they can keep both Vazquez and Hudson. Remember we gave Glavine a million and he never threw a pitch.
DOB blogged this morning he doesn’t expect the Braves to do nothing
July 31st, 20099:57 am
Signing off….keep those dumb posts coming. Somebody wake up N8.
July 31st, 20099:59 am
Rock On – “Hey kids rock and roll, rock on… ooo my soul, hey kids…”
well then if the Braves do nothing then we are toast. We cannot compete with these other teams without some help. Stick a fork in us cause were done.
July 31st, 200910:00 am
DAP… we’re going to give up, perhaps, six years of Schafer and six years of Freeman for Gonzalez, who has 2.5 years remaining on his contract, and who will command a bundle of cash to resign?
Granted, Freeman hasn’t even stratched in the majors. Schafer had a disappointing start to his big league career, but both still are highly regarded. If Schafer’s bat comes around (I think it will), the Bravos have a potential gold glover in CF. Freeman gives the team a power bat at 1B.
The Braves would be trading a lot of upsides.
Rock On….the denizen formerly known as Dadgum —-
Possible trade pieces – KK, KJ, Conrad…and I am sure there are a few prospects down on the farm that we don’t have room for. I doubt Heyward will be ready next year, so the bat we pick up needs to be more than a rental. I am not a fan of trading javy at all….but javy for a good bat and a 4th type starter might be smart.
July 31st, 200910:02 am
Im not so sure on shafer. the boy has talent but didnt produce when given a long opportunity. He falls into the class of Francouer. A lot of expectation. which means a lot of pressure on the kid.
July 31st, 200910:03 am
Rock On….the denizen formerly known as Dadgum…
Good points. I think Hudson needs to be worked in gradually into game situations.
Kawakami is marketable, I believe, so long as the Braves are willing to eat some of his contract.
July 31st, 200910:04 am
Norris – Schafer injured his wrist in the very early part of the season. He has had one limited shot whilst injured. Yet, when he was 100% healthy he did okay, so we should not sell low on him, if at all.
July 31st, 200910:06 am
Ah! What a game…I love it–they walk the guy who’s 0 fer to get to the guy who’s hit 2 doubles. But of course, BMac was 0-5 against that pitcher before last night. Anyway, I was sitting there thinking, “Oh please, PLEASE no double-play…no strikeout…a walk wouldn’t be so bad, GA is on fire…St. Jude, help him out here…”
And then, get yer toostie frootsie ice cream!! That was a low pitch, too! But he got a hold of that one!
Jammie, monty, I totally agree!
Great job on getting that smiley to work last night! Just gotta be sure to have a space between you smiley and the “…” or whatever comes before him.
Uga-Brave the dude [BMac] is a keeper. he will never be a cleanup hitter, but he has heart.
Ain’t it the truth!
July 31st, 200910:07 am
jeff rwe’re going to give up, perhaps, six years of Schafer and six years of Freeman for Gonzalez, who has 2.5 years remaining on his contract, and who will command a bundle of cash to resign?
call me crazy, but i think it makes us world series contenders for the next three years, so i do it. shafer might end up being grady seizmore, or maybe even nate mclouth, or he might be lasting milledge, and freeman is in AA, still a ways from the majors. i just think gonzalez, a superstar with an insanely affordable contract, might be worth the risk.
July 31st, 200910:08 am
nothing was said about shafers wrist until he was sent down. so was the injury kept quiet or what?
Also if he was hurt then why did they keep playing the kid that was to be our future?
July 31st, 200910:10 am
give the Padres:
Freeman, Kotchman, Schafer, Medlen, JoJo, Diory Hernandez, and B.Jones/KJ
for Adrian Gonzales
NORRIS… I think Schafer has popped the expectations balloon! How could he not with his rotten hitting?
But he has plenty of talent, and rates another shot.
As to Francouer, his problem was differnt. His rookie debut and subsequent two (?) seasons led everybody to believe that he was a rock star with an endless upward trend line.
Then when he busted, the pain and disappointment were all the greater.
July 31st, 200910:12 am
Top 10 possible reasons Cox keeps putting Norton at the plate in key moments of a game:
1. Norton saved Bobby’s life in Vietnam
2. Norton has incriminating pictures of Bobby
3. It’s those puppy dog eyes
4. Norton has a bomb and will detonate it if he doesn’t get to kill a rally
5. Norton is actually a dying little boy with that rapid aging disease and wanted one last wish
6. Cox actually hates exciting young players like Brooks Conrad and Barbaro Canizares
7. Bobby is hoping Norton will blow enough games that we’ll forget about Gonzo’s blown saves
8. They are going to start calling it the “Norton line” when a batter hits .100 and Cox doesn’t want to waste all the T-shirts he had printed up.
9. Bobby has a soft spot for old broken down players who can’t hit a lick
10. Bobby has plumb gone insane
July 31st, 200910:14 am
For those of you wanting Billy Hohn masks or posters for his next ATL appearance, here’s a link to his unmistakable image. He was quite a comedian some decades back, before he became a MLB “umpire.”
July 31st, 200910:15 am
Braves trade Esteban Yan, Roberto Kelly, and Tony Tarasco for Marquis Grissom…
July 31st, 200910:16 am
plenty was said of Schafer’s wrist while with the big league club
curtis – that is gr8
July 31st, 200910:17 am
DAP… It’s a reasonable argument. If Wren got a nod from Gonzales’ agent about an extension, or a new contract wasn’t a budget-buster, it would be tempting.
But, otherwise, what does the free agent market look like this post season? Might Wren be able to pick up a short term power bat? Can’t even begin to guess what the trade market will be like.
I’d be reluctant to give up both Schafer and Freeman for a short term fix. I’d like to see the Braves competitive for a longer stretch than two seasons.
July 31st, 200910:19 am
That’s right… Schafer did have the wrist injury. Certainly didn’t help.
The Sox are going to get Adrian Gonzalez. They will give the Pads Bucholtz, Bard, and a few other quality arms. Some rumor mill site had the Indians asking the Mets for their top prospect (Martinez) for Victor Martinez. Would the bloggers here trade Freeman, Kotchman, and a lower level prospect for Victor Martinez? He has played over 40 games at first.
July 31st, 200910:21 am
shaffer is a good kid. But i really dont remember the wrist issue coming up until his numbers started falling like crazy. But either way, he showed a lot of holes in his game. Mclouth is a much better center fielder.
July 31st, 200910:22 am
Freeman is never going to be the power hitter Adrian Gonzales is
trade Freeman and Schafer in a package for BELL and GONZALES
you have 2.5 years to try and extend Adrian’s contract
lets do it
July 31st, 200910:23 am
Billy, I think the Indians can get more for Martinez than Freeman, Kotchman, and a lower level prospect. No way they do that deal. It will take three or four of the Braves’ top five prospects, I think.
July 31st, 200910:24 am
Billy – no to including Freeman for V Mart – V Mart can be streaky and was injured in 08′. I think he has an OPS around 800 for the last 1000 AB or so and how is his glove at 1B
July 31st, 200910:26 am
6. Cox actually hates exciting young players like Brooks Conrad and Barbaro Canizares
Brooks Conrad is a 30 year old rookie who had one good week. He sucks worse than Norton
jeff rI’d be reluctant to give up both Schafer and Freeman for a short term fix.
me to. thats not what i see gonzalez as. what qualifies as “long term” to you?
July 31st, 200910:29 am
Wow…BMac has 13 doubles this month after hitting 8 in June and 3 each in April and May. Still has a legitimate shot at that record–just needs 21 more!
I highly doubt Conrad is worse than norton
July 31st, 200910:30 am
I sure hopr Norton is cut, when Infante returns
July 31st, 200910:31 am
The intelligent–and I’m serious__comments on this Blog about trades are just as good or better than the BLANK Peter Gammons throws against the wall. This CLOWN has not got a thing right. Now I’m not saying ANYONE not employed by a team should be able to know what is coming down, BUT quit pretending you have a pipeline when you obviously don’t.
July 31st, 200910:32 am
Here’s a hot trade on the rumor trail: Greg Norton to the “Make a Wish Foundation” for a “sick kid to be named later”?
I guess Shapiro would want Heyward as the centerpiece to any deal. Something tells me that the Sox are going to be very involved today. With the Yanks firing on all cylinders Theo might unload some of his prized prospects.
July 31st, 200910:33 am
What happened to Steven Evarts?
July 31st, 200910:34 am
DAP… more than two seasons. I would have griped less about the Super Tex fiasco had he been signed to a longer deal.
Potentially, the Braves would be giving the Padres two solid starting position players with six-year horizons for an admittedly top talent OF who may give the Braves only two full seasons. I think the Braves would be selling short.
I think Freeman hasd the potential to be a 30/35-homerun guy. Schafer is probably more in the 15/20 range. That doesn’t count other offensive (and defensive) contributions.
July 31st, 200910:37 am
MLB needs to revisit what constitutes an error. In the last week, Kotchman has allowed runners to reach first base by (1) lobbing an eephus pitch to the second baseman covering first on a bunt and (2) moving toward a ball hit almost directly toward the second baseman and failing to cover first. If he had bounced the throw to first in the first case and dropped a throw to first in the second case, they would have been errors. What’s the difference versus what he did? It was the same outcome, two runners reached first on what should have been routine plays by Kotchman.
Please, let’s hear no more references from the Braves announcers about how Kotchman hasn’t made an error since he’s been with the Braves.
And as for Kelly Johnson at second, I hope he thanked Peter Moylan for bailing him out last night. Moylan had to get 5 outs in the bottom of the 9th with the game on the line. Please Wren, take KJ away from Cox by trading him today for anything. You’ve gotten rid of Francouer, Bennett got rid of himself, now the last two who have to go are KJ and Norton.
The Love Child of Dale Murphy and Johnny Cash
July 31st, 200910:38 am
Very classless at 10:32. Not cool.
lets have ourselves a moment for jeff bennett…
July 31st, 200910:39 am
ok im good now…how bout yaw?
July 31st, 200910:40 am
Yeah Paul. If ever a blog apology was called for now is the time. That is not funny at all.
I don’t think the Braves could get VMart in a deal that makes sense. Heyward and Freeman are the two prospects with any real value(I guess Schafer, but he had an awful two months and you’d be selling low on him), and given the lack of depth in our system, why would they want to trade them right now?
July 31st, 200910:41 am
I agree re Lentz’s 10:32. Wrong wrong wrong, dude.
I believe Evarts was released a month or so ago.
DP… Release Norton… Send Johnson to Japan for the “Japanese John Smoltz,” whoever that may be. He would pair nicely with our “Japanese Greg Maddux.”
July 31st, 200910:42 am
And I think Adrian Gonzalez would cost a lot more than just Freeman, Schafer, and some Low-A pitchers.
jeff r, well wed be getting gonzalez for the rest of this year to…so does that count as more than two years? i agree with the potential of freeman and schafer, but i think sometimes trading potential for the real thing is a good move, especially when the guy is the exact kind of player you need, with a salary that gives you payroll flexibility to build around him. gonzalez will only be making a little more money that casey kotchman will over the next couple of seasons. having a guy like gonzalez makes it easy to build a championship team, man.
July 31st, 200910:43 am
You know what? I agree with atlbravesfan44. The Make a Wish Foundation is a great cause that brings a little joy to dying kids and their families.
Give that a some thought, Paul Lentz.
July 31st, 200910:47 am
I like what I’m seeing from Benino Pruneda, a 5′9″ 170 LB reliever who has struck out 60 batters in 44 innings between Rome and Myrtle Beach this year.
Nate the GR8
Guys if we havent heard anything yet on the rumor mill more than likely we arent doing anything
I like Brooks Conrad.
So he’s a late bloomer, so was I.
Frank Wren “granting” Jeff Bennett his release was a pleasant surprise. I didnt see that coming. Maybe Frank Wren is making inroads when it comes to convincing Bobby to get with the program of getting rid if “his guys” (at least the unproductive ones).
I wonder where Bennett will end up? I hope with the Phillies, Marlins, or Mets. Maybe he can “help us” like Francoeur “help us” when he faced us in the 4 games after the All-Star Break.
I woke up this morning, hoping to see that Greg Norton was granted his unconditional release. Is it really that “hard” for the Braves to eat the rest of Norton’s contract (approximately $267,000)? We are not getting any production out of him whatsoever. The opposing pitcher has to be like a kid in a candy store when they see Greg Norton coming up to the plate.
efrimI think Adrian Gonzalez would cost a lot more than just Freeman, Schafer, and some Low-A pitchers.
joe and boog threw out a rumor last night that the marlins were offering about that for gonzalez AND bell. not that the padres would bite with the red sox offering some great prospects, but schafer, freeman, and medlen for gonzalez is a way better deal than what the marlins were rumored to be offering.
July 31st, 200910:48 am
Exactly. Boy, I knew Lentz was low-class, but geesh…
DAP, not questioning Gonzales’ talent or value. But you need players with longer horizons than two years to build around.
Hey, if Wren could make your deal for Gonzales and announce that he has a verbal agreement with Gonzales’ agent for an extension/new contract, it would very, very tempting. Otherwise, I wouldn’t pull the trigger. I’d take my chances with two top prospects.
I think if we got adrian gonzalez it would be like a fred mcgriff type move that propelled us into the playoffs.
DP – re Kelly, yes he makes me cringe in the field. How many outs do our pitching staff need to make in addition to the regulation 27 in significant games. That play last night just showed “fear and panic”.
I do not want him at 2nd base when a game is on the line.
July 31st, 200910:51 am
atlbravesfan44………apologize for what? I feel that a kid from the “Make a Wish Foundation” could probably do better than Greg Norton at the plate. I’d rather give some sick kid his wish, then to give WELFARE at-bats to Greg Norton. At least the Braves would get some public good will out of giving a dying kid his last wish……..instead of giving a “dying” career (Greg Norton) his last at-bats.
July 31st, 200910:53 am
DAP, do you remember what were the Marlins offering? I think I heard that they were requesting Andrew Miller or Sean West just for Heath Bell, but I hadn’t read anything about them asking what it would take for both Adrian and Bell.
July 31st, 200910:54 am
Jeff R……….who would you rather give a “little joy” to? Greg Norton or a dying kid? Both arent going to hit the ball anyway…….so why not put a smile on some poor kid? We can keep the kid on the bench, while getting rid of Greg Norton.
July 31st, 200910:55 am
DAP, just read this: Juan C. Rodriguez of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel says the Padres wanted Cameron Maybin and Miller for Bell.
It’s a rumor, but can you imagine what they would want for Adrian Gonzalez if they are asking for two major league ready pieces for a relief pitcher?
July 31st, 200910:56 am
Some of you guys are WAY TOO SENSITIVE. I wasnt so much dogging kids from the Make a Wish Foundation as I was knocking Greg Norton’s ability to hit.
Eric from MO
July 31st, 200910:57 am
DAP Im glad your not our GM. You want to give up a ML pitcher, a CF, and 1B who all could be in the ML next season. I dont remember who said Freeman will never be the homerun hitter Gonzolez is, but that is just dumb, he is 19. You have very little how great he will be, but you know he will be able to rake. He is patient and a great hitter. He knows his strikezone unlike some of the past Braves prospects. Im not going to argue with you because I getting ready to leave my office, but Im just glad your not our GM.
July 31st, 200910:58 am
Paul, justify it however you’d like. There are just some things you don’t put anywhere near a joke. And I use the term “joke” very lightly.
I really try hard not to read your posts but your sh!t is so prolific that sometimes I accidentally read your posts. So sorry that I read your 10:32 post. You are a real scumbag.
July 31st, 200911:00 am
PWH-Pirates are just gearing up for their 2012-2013 Fire Sale. Kind of like Macy’s getting in extra merchandise for their Labor Day event.
Greg Norton has more career homeruns than Conrad has At bats
89 to 51
July 31st, 200911:02 am
I gotta feelin’… “making an apology”… is not one of your strong suits…so…I’d just “drop it”….
Eric from MO, you think that is too strong of an offer for Adrian Gonzalez? I think I read that they would want 4-5 prospects/young players back in a deal for him. Some of the names that were being discussed with Boston were Clay Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Jed Lowrie, Justin Masterson and Ryan Westmoreland. Maybe not sending ALL of those guys SD’s way, but some of them, and maybe others. But I agree, given the Braves current position and strength of their farm system, I don’t think making a big trade like this is wise.
July 31st, 200911:03 am
JeffR-Yes, you’re right. It would be much to give up. But we must have instant gratification.
Now, now, Paul Lentz… We don’t use a foundation dedicated to helping dying kids to tell jokes or make our points. That’s simply public relations 101. What you say in the privacy of your home, or among your friends, is your business. When you post on a blog, it becomes other people’s business.
The smart move would be to tender a simple apology.
July 31st, 200911:04 am
Heh, Lew. If history will repeat itself you’re correct.
He also has fewer hits than Jurrjens.
July 31st, 200911:05 am
Lentz – Your explanations are just digging you in deeper.
jeff rnot questioning Gonzales’ talent or value. But you need players with longer horizons than two years to build around.
how about mcann? hanson? escobar? mclouth? its not like we are lacking players to build around. its time to actually build something.
i know where your coming from. you hate to trade a guy and watch him become somethign really special, but we are talking about two guys that may not even be capable of being built around. in fact, i could almost guarantee you that schafer nor freeman will be allstars or “build-around” type of players while gonzalez is under contract. i think if someone like gonzalez comes along, a superstar with a great contract for several more years, you gotta do it if you can.
July 31st, 200911:06 am
Yeah Paul I’d just drop it. We’ve all said dumb stuff we’ve regretted before too.You may be overbearing sometimes, but I don’t think you’re low like that.
July 31st, 200911:07 am
well the morning is slipping by and we are hearing nothing that is going to make this team better.
I would like to make a wish to the braves foundation… DO SOMETHING!!
July 31st, 200911:09 am
John Baker was the guest at my son’s baseball camp in Jupiter. I got to speak to him briefly and he was in disbelief that McCann was called out on that obvious “ball” on Tuesday night.
July 31st, 200911:10 am
DP_That play to KJ last night was not Kotchman’s fault-Soriano never covered the base. Kotchman started after the ball at first (KJ was playing second, remember) and no way could he make it to first in time. That was MFIKY’s play to make at first.
July 31st, 200911:12 am
All you people saying Wren should DO SOMETHING!!! What do you propose he do?
July 31st, 200911:14 am
efrim i may have misunderstood jon and boog, but i dont think so. im pretty sure they cited miller, maybin and some really good prospect for gonzalez AND bell.
eric from MOIm glad your not our GM. You want to give up a ML pitcher, a CF, and 1B who all could be in the ML next season.
and it would be a good trade. in fact, it would be such a good trade for the braves now that i look at it harder, the padres would never do it. freeman will NOT be in the majors next year. hes not ready. he is hitting just ok in AA. schafer is injured now, and has terrible numbers at AAA and at the MLB level. and medlen has just been ok so far. ive decided that im over valuing these guys. and if IM overvaluing them, you DEFINITELY are.
July 31st, 200911:15 am
PWH-I’m not so sure that history actually repeats itself as much as circumstances rarely change-just the names of the participants. Just don’t see the Pirates changing their almost two decade Modus Operundi now-unless they all of a sudden achieve a 3 mil attendance-which we know won’t happen.
July 31st, 200911:16 am
Get off his A@@ and make this team better! There’s alot that could be done.
DAP- Mike Stanton was also wanted by the Padres. He is a Man-child.
The conversation for Adrian Gonzalez starts with one of: Heyward, Hanson, Escobar, or Jurrjens. Then you pile on whatever package you’re delusionally thinking will get it done. And you might have close to enough to get him.
July 31st, 200911:17 am
we all have been saying that we need to make some kind of adjustment. to get a middle relied pitcher at least.
DFA norton and bring up somebody or something. we have no bench and we have no pen.
July 31st, 200911:18 am
Niel Huntington is a good GM, though. I like what he’s done with that farm. Taking Neil Walker from the 2nd best prospect to the 15th or so best prospect.
baba o’riley, thats the guy. PWHjort, i think youre right.
DAP-They did. I also found it highly unlikely that the Marlins would do that deal.
July 31st, 200911:21 am
Just over 4 hours and 30 minutes left…
How bout’ this one ??
“I made an error in judgement during my 10:32 post…I regret doing it….and BTW!!!….Bobby Cox has obviously made an error in judgement regarding that BUM Greg Norton !!…I wait with ‘baited’ breath… for Bobby to “regretfully” step forward and correct this travesty !!!! ”
(PS: Feel free…to cut and paste)
July 31st, 200911:22 am
DAP… It would be nice to live in parallel universes. We could test the Braves with Gonzalez and without… Schafer and Freeman on the “without” team.
I think Schafer and Freeman give the Braves two solid talents at two important positions.
Actually, I’d rather see the Braves acquire another strong young arm for the rotation to compliment Jurrjens and Hanson. Then I’d be all ears.
But, all things considered, Wren’s not making any major moves now. Can’t say what his thinking will be post season. And don’t forget the Padres have been notoriously difficult to deal with.
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