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Reality
July 29th, 2009
5:31 pm
The seriously sick man…probably isn’t going to be an effective reliever ever again. He has had one good year, and other years for ERAs in the 8’s.
He isn’t going to save this bullpen.
Rob from SC
July 29th, 2009
5:32 pm
Anders
You think Perez is good?
Lew
July 29th, 2009
5:33 pm
No, the REALITY is that Buddy Carlyle was diagnosed with TYpe 1 (insulin dependent) diabetes. Before he found out what the problem was and went for help in getting it controlled (something you would never desire having to go through yourself), he lost 20 pounds very quickly and suffered from the extreme fatigue that comes with the disease. If you had any freaking clue what you were talking about, you brain stunted moron, you’d realize that the fact he was even able to step out on the mound without falling into a diabetic coma was somewhat amazing in and of itself.
Before you go out there criticizing people, who’s job you aren’t capable of performing to begin with, maybe it would help if you tried to grasp what all was involved before you start running your mouth and claiming others suck.
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 2009
5:33 pm
Reality
True that Buddy sucked earlier this year, AS HE WAS FRICKIN SUFFERING FROM DIABETES AND DIDN’T KNOW IT! (and yes, I was yelling….)
Being a diabetic, I am really pulling for the man to get his game back. Buddy was never great, but last year, he might have been our most reliable arm in the pen. If the 2008 Buddy returns, it will be as good as getting an arm from some other team.
Lou Vales
July 29th, 2009
5:34 pm
Dear Piedmont, There are not 750 people on this planet who play baseball WELL. Would you agree with that?? The thing that has fractured baseball is the arbitration process. If there was TOTAL FREE AGENCY for EVERY PLAYER–Economists have suggested MLB should voluntatily give up its antitrust exemption– After about 100 guys were signed to very lucrative deals, the market for remaining 650 becomes suddenly very restricted as smaller market teams see no reason to spend since they can’t contend–Sould like Johnny Cochran. Since there is no Antitrust there is no Restraint of Trade and no pressure by agents to MAKE clubs compete since there would also be no union deal. Those 650 players soon realize they are blanked and before you know it you have players clamoring for a salary cap and a DEAL to insure they can find work in a competitive market.
Do I get it??
David O'Brien
July 29th, 2009
5:34 pm
While the Phillies got Lee without giving up any of the studs the Jays wanted for Halladay, I hear that Knapp is extremely talented and has more upside potential than any of the others. Who knows, though? Gotta wait to see.’
The Phillies just got better in their rotation for this year and next, that’s for sure.
And even more left-handed…
Rob from SC
July 29th, 2009
5:34 pm
Anders
You come on a Braves blog to take about the Mets and yet you throw insults. Get a life loser.
BravoMan
July 29th, 2009
5:34 pm
Anders,
I’d figure you’d say something like that. Gotta think about the future man.
Anders
July 29th, 2009
5:34 pm
Supes – Guilty as charged on the winning thing. As for Halladay – the market is closing. Phils are out. Red Sox look like they’re going for Victor Martinez. I think the Yanks will sit tight if the Sox don’t add pitching. Dodgers – maybe?
Jays keep him until the off season – then where? This is not as simple as Ricciardi made it seem. I think he over played his hand. Sounds like the Twins a while back you may recall?
David O'Brien
July 29th, 2009
5:35 pm
Braves lineup is the same, Prado at 2B.
1. McLouth
2. Prado
3. Chipper
4. McCann
5. Anderson
6. Escobar
7. Kotchman
8. Church
9. Kawakami
Shamus Thacker
July 29th, 2009
5:35 pm
If the Braves trade Kawakami, then who is going to live in Bow-wow’s crib?
I know a guy named Jabbo, he’d be a helluva candidate.
VaBraveFan
July 29th, 2009
5:35 pm
last night’s loss is a big Deal we had momentum hitting a homer to take the lead bring our Best Bullpen pitcher in to shut the door and he blows it to a bench player, it would have been different if gonzo did that. Now we lose a game we had and going up against there best pitcher, the wild card is deep, we definitly have the Starting pitching to win it but the bullpen is iffy and the offense is still inconsistant, double plays, not getting runners in from 3rd with less than 2 outs, all these basic fundimentals that have cost the braves prolly 10 games this year prolly more.
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 2009
5:36 pm
Lew,
I guess we told him, huh! (strutting around with his chest sticking out)
BravoMan
July 29th, 2009
5:36 pm
The REALITY is you’re a dbag.
Roman Gal
July 29th, 2009
5:36 pm
Let’s bring up RSF to platoon w/ Kotchman! Wayne
Now that’s an idea I could get behind…
TnBrian
July 29th, 2009
5:36 pm
Carlyle was pretty damn good last year and even early this year he saved the rest of the pen a lot of work and he’d keep his team in the game. I was as frustrated as any Braves fan at him when he was struggling but now we know why. If he can come back strong then you bet your a** he can help.
Roman Gal
July 29th, 2009
5:37 pm
indians get
mclouth
tearhen
medlen
nationals get
schafer
braves get
sizemore
willingham
Hah! Oh, you were serious?
Braves73
July 29th, 2009
5:37 pm
The Braves don’t need to make a trade…shoot, why in the world would they consider something like that when we have the GREAT Greg Norton. I wish my manager had such blind faith in me that Bobby has in Greg.
Braves73
July 29th, 2009
5:37 pm
The Braves don’t need to make a trade…shoot, why in the world would they consider something like that when we have the GREAT Greg Norton. I wish my manager had such blind faith in me that Bobby has in Greg.
Bravo Bob
July 29th, 2009
5:38 pm
Philly Insider
Let us know when that long term success gets to 14 years
Steve from OH
July 29th, 2009
5:38 pm
If the Braves trade Kawakami, then who is going to live in Bow-wow’s crib?
I’ll take one for the team and roll up in that beeatch.
Anders
July 29th, 2009
5:38 pm
Bravoman- Mets can’t sit tight for a couple of years waiting for a rebuild. You guys forget – there’s two teams here. And the other one just keeps spending and winning. The Mets don’t have the captured fan base teams like the Braves do. They have their loyal fans but there’s a lot of discretionary $’s that just follow the teams that win. That’s the way it is in the bigger cities.
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 2009
5:38 pm
I am a bit surprised that KJ isn’t in there today for Prado.
Thanks Dave, and also for the blog!
NO MORE BOBBY
July 29th, 2009
5:39 pm
Phillies get another arm. I think they are serious about getting back to the world series.
Are we serious?
David O'Brien
July 29th, 2009
5:39 pm
Got this release while ago from Sporting News. Sorry, but don’t have time to edit it down, so I’ll give it to you in full:
Headline: Sporting News’ all-star panel picks sports’ 50 greatest coaches of all-time
Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox is No. 46 on Sporting News’ list of sports’ 50 greatest coaches of all-time, as selected by a panel of 118 Hall of Famers, championship coaches and other experts. The 14-page feature is part of the new Sporting News Magazine, which hits newsstands this week.
Only two current MLB managers ranked higher than Cox on the 50 greatest list — the Dodgers’ Joe Torre (No. 32) and Cardinals’ Tony La Russa (No. 41).
It’s not the first SN honor for Cox, who has been named the magazine’s manager of the year eight times. Since 1936, when Sporting News began the award, no one else has won the award more than four times.
UCLA’s John Wooden was a runaway No. 1 choice, picking up 57 first-place votes from SN’s panel, which includes seven World Series-winning managers, four Super Bowl champion coaches and the winningest coaches in the NBA, NHL and college basketball. Panelists included: Scotty Bowman, Larry Brown, Whitey Herzog, Tommy Lasorda, Marv Levy, Tom Osborne, Don Shula, Steve Spurrier, Bob Stoops, Pat Summitt, Barry Switzer, Lenny Wilkens and Roy Williams. The full voting panel is below.
Wooden, 98, won a record 10 Division I men’s basketball championships in 12 years. “When I think of Coach Wooden, the first word that comes to mind is execution,” Gail Goodrich, an All-American guard on Wooden’s Bruins teams, writes in the new issue of SN. “We never worried about the opponent, only about how we were going to play.”
Green Bay Packers great Vince Lombardi came in second place in SN’s rankings, receiving 20 first-place votes. Hall of Famer Bart Starr vividly remembers Lombardi’s first speech to the team upon being hired in 1959. Writes Starr in SN: “(He said), ‘Gentlemen, we are going to relentlessly chase perfection, knowing full well we will not catch it because nothing is perfect. But we are going to relentlessly chase it because in the process we will catch excellence.’ He paused for a moment, got up even closer to those of us sitting up front, looked us in the eye and added, ‘I am not remotely interested in being just good.’ Wow.”
Rounding out the top 10 of SN’s list: 3. Bear Bryant (college football), 4. Phil Jackson (NBA), 5. Don Shula (NFL), 6. Red Auerbach (NBA), 7. Scotty Bowman (NHL), 8. Dean Smith (college basketball), 9. Casey Stengel (MLB) and 10. Knute Rockne (college football).
Nos. 11-20: 11. Pat Summitt (women’s college basketball), 12. Paul Brown (NFL), 13. Joe Paterno (college football), 14. George Halas (NFL), 15. Chuck Noll (NFL), 16. Bob Knight (college basketball), 17. Joe Gibbs (NFL), 18. Tom Landry (NFL), 19. Mike Krzyzewski (college basketball) and 20. Bill Belichick (NFL).
In addition to current and former coaches, SN’s panel includes a Super Bowl-winning owner (the Steelers’ Dan Rooney), commissioners (the NCAA’s Myles Brand, MLB’s Fay Vincent, the NHL’s John Ziegler) and award-winning broadcasters (Brent Musburger, Ernie Harwell, Marty Brennaman), The complete panel is below.
SN turned to former players of the top 20 coaches on the list, asking each to relive a moment that best defined their greatness. Among the guest contributors: Hall of Famers Dwight Stephenson (on Bryant), Paul Warfield (on Shula), Tommy Heinsohn (on Auerbach), Luc Robitaille (on Bowman), Ara Parseghian (on Rockne), Mike McCormack (on Brown), Gale Sayers (on Halas), Lynn Swann (on Noll), Isiah Thomas (on Knight) and Roger Staubach (on Landry).
The new Sporting News Magazine, also featuring a special conversation between star running backs Jim Brown and Adrian Peterson, hits newsstands later this week and can be purchased at all Barnes & Noble, Borders and Hudson Retail outlets. All questions and requests should be directed to editor-in-chief Jeff D’Alessio at jdalessio@sportingnews.com.
SPORTING NEWS’ TOP 50 COACHES
1. John Wooden, college basketball
2. Vince Lombardi, NFL
3. Bear Bryant, college football
4. Phil Jackson, NBA
5. Don Shula, NFL
6. Red Auerbach, NBA
7. Scotty Bowman, NHL
8. Dean Smith, college basketball
9. Casey Stengel, MLB
10. Knute Rockne, college football
11. Pat Summitt, women’s college basketball
12. Paul Brown, NFL
13. Joe Paterno, college football
14. George Halas, NFL
15. Chuck Noll, NFL
16. Bob Knight, college basketball
17. Joe Gibbs, NFL
18. Tom Landry, NFL
19. Mike Krzyzewski, college basketball
20. Bill Belichick, NFL
21. Adolph Rupp, college basketball
22. Joe McCarthy, MLB
23. Eddie Robinson, college football
24. Bobby Bowden, college football
25. John McGraw, MLB
26. Bill Walsh, NFL
27. Woody Hayes, college football
28. Connie Mack, MLB
29. Bud Wilkinson, college football
30. Pat Riley, NBA
31. Pete Newell, college basketball
32. Joe Torre, MLB
33. Bill Parcells, NFL
34. Tom Osborne, college football
35. Walter Alston, MLB
36. Bo Schembechler, college football
37. Toe Blake, NHL
38. Sparky Anderson, MLB
39. Al Arbour, NHL
40. Amos Alonzo Stagg, college football
41. Tony La Russa, MLB
42. Geno Auriemma, women’s college basketball
43. Dick Irvin, NHL
44. Ara Parseghian, college football
45. Chuck Daly, NBA
46. Bobby Cox, MLB
47. Hank Iba, college basketball
48. Tommy Lasorda, MLB
49. Gregg Popovich, NBA
50. Herb Brooks, NHL
David O'Brien
July 29th, 2009
5:40 pm
Steve from OH: Your 5:38 cracked me up
Mixxo
July 29th, 2009
5:41 pm
….last night’s loss is a big Deal we had momentum hitting a homer to take the lead bring our Best Bullpen pitcher in to shut the door and he blows it to a bench player… – VaBraveFan
Crushing is the best way I can describe it.
I’m still not over it.
VaBraveFan
July 29th, 2009
5:41 pm
Main Offseason needs RH Impact Bat Corneroutfielder and the New look to the bullpen cause i dont see the braves resigning Gonzo or Soriano back. I have no idea who will be the RH Impact Bat, dont see us landing Jason Bay cause the Sox and Yanks will be in a bidding war and Holliday wont do well in our Park. So it prolly has to be a trade involving Vasquez….
Shamus Thacker
July 29th, 2009
5:41 pm
I don’t care if Frenchy hits four homers a game from here on, it’s still a deep-down feel-good warm-and-fuzzy pleasure to see lineups without his name.
Steve from OH
July 29th, 2009
5:41 pm
Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox is No. 46 on Sporting News’ list of sports’ 50 greatest coaches of all-time,
Incoming! Take cover, the (bull) sh!t is about to fly!
[Runs away in terror, screaming]
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 2009
5:42 pm
TnBrian
Hard not to pull for the guy, knowing what a struggle he has been through.
I like to give people a ration of sheyit on here, and I have made a few stupid comments that I regretted, but our friend REALITY must be a dum sumbeach to not be sensitive to Buddy’s situation.
BravoMan
July 29th, 2009
5:43 pm
Anders,
Even if you sold the whole farm you prolly still wouldn’t have enough for Halladay at their asking price lol. No the best thing for the Mets is to get healthy and plan for 2010. That’s basically ATL’s plan for 09 was rebuilding for 2010 and beyond. The Phils time is now and our time will come. Sucks but that’s baseball.
Steve from OH
July 29th, 2009
5:44 pm
[Peeks out anxiously from a newly-dug trench, in search of the enemy (Robert)]
Reality
July 29th, 2009
5:45 pm
Let’s use diabetes as a crutch. You have to pitch well. Don’t care what the reason is. Buddy C sucked this year, just because he has a disease doesn’t change him screwing the team over this year, and giving up a ton of multi-run homers.
And I’m pretty sure I could do his job, if his job is giving up 3-run homers and grand slams.
McFann Ô
July 29th, 2009
5:45 pm
DOB The Phillies just got…even more left-handed…
[Gag]
Braves lineup is the same
Ah, fooey…
Say what?
July 29th, 2009
5:45 pm
Bill Belichick over Bill Walsh? Hmmmm
Steve from OH
July 29th, 2009
5:46 pm
Buddy C sucked this year, just because he has a disease doesn’t change him screwing the team over this year, and giving up a ton of multi-run homers.
Uh, yeah, it kinda does. Are you familiar with how diabetes works?
Roman Gal
July 29th, 2009
5:47 pm
(except a 22yr old coming off an HGH suspension)
Oh, brother…
David O'Brien
July 29th, 2009
5:47 pm
By the way, I got caught in some of the heaviest rain/thunderstorms I can remember on the drive to ballpark today. It rained and rained and rained for a couple of hours. No BP outdoors, but it’s not raining now and I think they’re going to start on time. Still, forecast says we could get more t-storms tonight and tomorrow’s supposed to be a similar day, high around 90 with thunderstorms, etc.
Anders
July 29th, 2009
5:47 pm
Herb Brooks (NHL) #50? This makes no sense. He was under .500 career wise in the NHL and never got passed the second round of the playoffs. He was a much better college coach but obviously made his greatest impact as the (1980)Olympic Coach.
Based on this I question the validity of the whole list! Well except for Mets Manager Casey Stengel at #9. {:
BravoMan
July 29th, 2009
5:48 pm
Reality,
Just get outta here. You’re not even worth talking to on this blog.
Reality
July 29th, 2009
5:48 pm
Douche bag from Ohio – It doesn’t change the outcome of how he pitched this year. It’s in the past and he still pitched like crap. Douche.
Roman Gal
July 29th, 2009
5:48 pm
Steve-
All clear.
Truth Is...
July 29th, 2009
5:48 pm
Who freaking cares if Buddy has diabetes and did we really need to know the medical history of any blogger here? I think not. Buddy sucked last season too. So what’s the excuse for that?
CrimeDog
July 29th, 2009
5:48 pm
Steve-
No point in arguing with this fool. On a related note, I’ve heard that Buddy is one of the nicest all-around guys in the clubhouse, FWIW. Of course, with a name like Buddy, how could he not be?
McFann Ô
July 29th, 2009
5:49 pm
DOB No BP outdoors…
It just keeps getting better!
Gotta go get some food…should be back by game time. (Whoopee.)
MFin04
July 29th, 2009
5:49 pm
I wonder if the Braves feel pressured to make a move with the Phillies getting Lee?
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 29th, 2009
5:49 pm
Actually, Lou, if you had full free agency, there might be more multimillionaires than currently. Right now, players are under team control for the first six seasons of their careers and teams tend to pay as many as possible as close to the minimum as they can before arbitration set in.
You could name several dozen players who are making the minimum or close to it now — on the Braves alone, think Yunel, Diaz, Prado, Hanson, Medlen, Moylan — who’d earn more than $1 million a year if they weren’t confined by the CBA.
I think the current salary structure limits how much young players and marginal veterans earn.
VaBraveFan
July 29th, 2009
5:50 pm
Steve for OH- LMAO
Roman Gal
July 29th, 2009
5:50 pm
Now, now, Reality…we don’t call people that here.
You should be ashamed, sir!
mike arnone
July 29th, 2009
5:50 pm
Enter your comments here
Teeler
July 29th, 2009
5:50 pm
I hope we get a rain delay in the 2nd to end johnson’s night that would be a huge break for us
Roman Gal
July 29th, 2009
5:51 pm
Gotta go get some food…
McFann, you’re inspiring me to go to Taco Bell.
mike arnone
July 29th, 2009
5:51 pm
Wayne in Utah: You forgot Soupy Sales.
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 29th, 2009
5:51 pm
And Reality really needs a dose of his own monicker.
Lou Vales
July 29th, 2009
5:51 pm
Bravo Box, I hate the Phillies, BUT I believe MOST(outside of Atlanta) define Long Term Success as WINNING and/or playing in the LAST game of a season quite a few times over a prolonged period of time. Thus Yankees,UCLA, Celtics, Bulls, Lakers, Canadiens, Red Wings, Oilers, Oklahoma in the 50’s, Steelers, Patriots, Raiders, Cowboys, UNC and Duke—Don’t have to win EVERY TIME but you must reach the crucible, can’t just qualify to get into the end of season fray. Do you think the Vikings with 4 Super Bowl appearances are looked back on fondly?? If you show up 14 times in a post season type tournament and win a whopping 1 Championship—-Sorry!! 50 years from now baseball historians will look back and say “What a bunch of choke artists. Look at the hall of Fame pitchers and position talent on these teams. Gee!!”
BravoMan
July 29th, 2009
5:51 pm
MFin04,
I don’t think so. The team’s playing well why mess with it too much apart from a pen arm. We made our big deals.
Supes
July 29th, 2009
5:51 pm
Anders,
I expect either the Dodgers or L.A. Angels to make a run at Roy Halladay sweepstakes before Friday.
I still don’t think that Roy is going to a division opponent. Jays will not be able to live that one down.
At any rate…He can still be dealt in the off-season and get a good return. I fail to see your point you keep comparing him to Johan Santana and the Twins situation but they are not the same.
Steve from OH
July 29th, 2009
5:52 pm
I’ll put you down for a “no” on that one, Reality…
MFin04
July 29th, 2009
5:52 pm
Still could use a first baseman that can drive in runs and hit for power, but I guess we’re going to concede the NL East and pray for the Wild Card…?
Roman Gal
July 29th, 2009
5:52 pm
Isn’t KK working on an extra day’s rest tonight? He seems to do well with the extra rest…and against good pitchers.
[knock on wood]
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 2009
5:52 pm
You can always take a list like this and pick it apart. Kinda like trying to name the 100 greatest rock songs of all time.
BUT, it looks like in the NBA, you had to have a title to qualify. Phil Jackson at # seems a bit high to me. Always thought it was more the players than the coach with him. When did he ever coach a team that didn’t have at least one great player on the roster?
And definitely no love for my man Jerry Sloan. (Jordan pushed off!)
MFin04
July 29th, 2009
5:53 pm
Wayne – Yes Michael did.
TBrown
July 29th, 2009
5:53 pm
Lou Vales — 50 years from now baseball historians will look back and say “What a bunch of choke artists. Look at the hall of Fame pitchers and position talent on these teams. Gee!!”
And hopefully Bobby Cox will be looked upon in a different light than he is now.
Mixxo
July 29th, 2009
5:55 pm
Teeler @5:50
I’d call that a Godsend Sir.
We cannot afford to lose tonight’s game with our fragile clubhouse after last night’s crushing defeat.
YAD
July 29th, 2009
5:55 pm
I would feel much better about the Braves chance for a win this evening if JAMEY Johnson was pitching for the fish and JOSH Johnson was singing some great Country music.
McFann Ô
July 29th, 2009
5:55 pm
Roman Gal–
Oooo…that sounds good!
We’re going Italian–Faso…I’m not sure how you spell it, but it’s that semi-fast food Italian place that’s name starts with an “F” and they have a tomato on their sign…
Gotta go.
Shamus Thacker
July 29th, 2009
5:55 pm
That All-Star panel, including Barry Switzer (Madoff is a saint compared to this guy) must have arrived for the vote well before all the liquor was gone. Then polished it off before voting.
Red Auerbach, NBA, #6? Laughable, as are many others.
justdamn
July 29th, 2009
5:56 pm
DOB – what a GREAT article from Mike Mayo’s heart. You get the feeling there was so much more he wanted to say but couldn’t. You have to respect friends like that, he seems like a great guy and a tremendous father.
VaBraveFan
July 29th, 2009
5:56 pm
I know one thing next year the Braves are gonna look great cause if Wren fixes the Power and Speed like he fixed the Starting Rotation were looking really good, but i think the bullpen will be huge Question mark
Anders
July 29th, 2009
5:56 pm
Now, now, Reality…we don’t call people that here. (Roman Gal)
Actually Bay Area Steve calls me that during his late night ramblings and I have to say he’s never been admonished by anyone of authority for it. As a matter of fact he’s lauded for much of what he brings for some strange reason. I think he serves as the dark side alter ego of the blog. Perhaps we should just ask Reality to change his/her hours?
MFin04
July 29th, 2009
5:57 pm
I bet the Braves can practice bunting and hitting sac flies in the indoor cages though…right?
Bravo Bob
July 29th, 2009
5:58 pm
Lou Vales
I getcha, should have won more – for sure! BUT – it will never be duplicated in this era of free agency – and it could be worse, could be a Bills fan – at least we got one.
Lou Vales
July 29th, 2009
5:58 pm
Piedmont, If the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Cardinals, Cubs, Mets, Phillies and Angels sign THE ELITE players–let’s say TOP 150–What would be the incentive for KC, Cleveland, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Rangers, Royals, Rockies and a couple of others be to go around spending money when they have no chance to compete–BUT NOW they would not have the threat of collusion hanging over them–There would be no collusion with no union deal. Now there might be some contraction–that would be fun–Imagine threat of about 75 players losing jobs.
scotty doo
July 29th, 2009
5:59 pm
DOB, have you heard anything on possible trade targets?
Shamus Thacker
July 29th, 2009
5:59 pm
McFann: We’re going Italian–Faso…I’m not sure how you spell it, but it’s that semi-fast food Italian place that’s name starts with an “F”
Fatso?
MFin04
July 29th, 2009
6:00 pm
Fazoli’s come on people….
BravoMan
July 29th, 2009
6:00 pm
VaBravesFan,
I agree, but Wren’s no fool. He’ll possiblly attempt to sign either Raffy or Gonzo, but if that proves unsucessful then another quality arm will be aquired. He won’t just stick with Acosta, Moylan etc. It’d be nice to get someone at the deadline who’d be around next year but will see…
nolie
July 29th, 2009
6:00 pm
Part of the reason people are so hard on him is that he needed to be perfect to win most of the games because of poor run support. If he throws strikes he is a #3, when he doesn’t he is a number 5. (Rob)
His main problem is that he can’t get out of the 6th inning so far. He is a decent 5th starter which is what I always said be would be this year, not a #3., and even there he is close to being worth what he is being paid. And he might improve. They could have done worse,
mike arnone
July 29th, 2009
6:02 pm
Two thoughts: I think Norton will finally be gone when Infante is back. And second: don’t be surprised if Hudson is used for trade bait in the off season for a power bat.
Geo123
July 29th, 2009
6:02 pm
kelevra,
I don’t thinkn that they would listen. Reynolds is an all star caliber player under team control for a long while at a premium position (3B) who has definite 40 potential HR power. Schafer has been hurt and although he may have good upside failed at his first attempt up in the big leagues. Julio Teheran isn’t exactly lighting his team on fire (good ERA but low K ratio) although he is young and full of potential.
The Diamondbacks are planning on contending next year per their beat writers and front office. How whould this trade even remotely help that to happen? You are correct when they mentioned the players who were untouchable, however there is also a couple of players that wouldn’t be traded without the DBacks being overwhelmed with an offer and Reynolds is 1 of those players. Your offer doesn’t come close to overwhelming…
Anders
July 29th, 2009
6:02 pm
Supes – My comparison of the Santana deal to Halladay is that when Santana was being shopped all we heard was the Red Sox or the Yanks were going to get him. The Twins expected a bidding war. neither team bit and the Twins made the lesser deal (imo) with the Mets. Now with Halladay it was the Phillies and the Red Sox. Well the Phils have moved on and reports are the Sox are looking at Martinez. That was my point. Seems similar to me.
The Jays could hold him and that is a difference but that will cause some chaos for the rest of this season and into next off season for the Jays.How do Hallady’s teammates feel about him wanting to bail? I think Ricciardi was sure he’d have a deal for him or he wouldn’t have gone as public as he did. It’s very rare that this type of thing is discussed so openly – no?
Steve from OH
July 29th, 2009
6:02 pm
nolie–he’s getting paid closer to a no. 5 than a no.3 IIRC…
Jake W.
July 29th, 2009
6:03 pm
Well, the Phils got Lee, that definately solidifies their starting rotation even if Pedro comes back and pulls a John Smoltz in Boston kinda deal. Lee had great numbers last year and looks to be doing good again this year. Don’t know if he is considered a flyball or a groundball pitcher so it will be interesting to see how he adapts to the NL and that park in particular. Big C.C. did great in his move to the NL last year.
For those who keep talking about KK like he’s a bust DOB has already pointed out the facts, not to mention this guy who came in as an unknown commodity has a lower ERA that D. Lowe right now. Hindsight is 20/20 and people like to forget the chain of events. We signed KK before D. Lowe and at the time all we had was Vazquez and Jurrjens. If KK got any kind of run support he and this team would be so much better.
Kawakami
July 29th, 2009
6:03 pm
nolie, you return a portion of my lost happiness.
TcD
July 29th, 2009
6:04 pm
McFann
That would be Fazoli’s – - and us local ladies (and CAB if we can figure out how to get her here w/o the dreaded flight) should meet at Miss Ann’s Snackshop for a world famous “Ghetto Burger” b4 a home game. Then we can go cheer wildly for our favorite players and obnoxiously wave continuously at DOB…
Shamus Thacker
July 29th, 2009
6:04 pm
“Semi-fast food.” Hmmm. Sounds like places where the food is a little more expensive, and a little better, but the service is operating in slo-mo.
VaBraveFan
July 29th, 2009
6:05 pm
I hope so to Bravoman
Kawakami
July 29th, 2009
6:06 pm
I think Stevie wants a ride in my fancy car.
cabravesfan
July 29th, 2009
6:06 pm
TcD-
if you can figure that out, I’m there…sounds like fun
Anders
July 29th, 2009
6:07 pm
“semi-fast food” sounds like a place where you sit on wooden furniture rather than plastic furniture while they serve you microwaved fodder.
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 2009
6:07 pm
TcD
Better watch out. We have some guys on the blog that might dress in drag and try to join the party.
TnBrian
July 29th, 2009
6:08 pm
Mike, Huddy will be a FA so you can’t trade what your don’t have. Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Shamus Thacker
July 29th, 2009
6:08 pm
Those “Ghetto Burger” go down easier if you’ve got a 357-Magnum in your lap…
nolie
July 29th, 2009
6:09 pm
think the current salary structure limits how much young players and marginal veterans earn (Piedmont)
most owners hate the arb process more than free agency and have been talking about trying to get rid of it from what I have heard and read.
TcD
July 29th, 2009
6:09 pm
Wayne – but they will not know the secret handshake or will be minus the decoder ring
glove51
July 29th, 2009
6:11 pm
Paul Brown was unquestinably the greatest pro football coach
Vinings Jim
July 29th, 2009
6:12 pm
cabravesfan – I’m working on my cross-country chauffeur’s license.
N8
July 29th, 2009
6:12 pm
wjones, your 5:20 post raises many great points. Can’t argue with any of it.
But you’re missing my point. Wren put ALL of his eggs in the pitching basket. Leaving not much room for improving the offense, in case it underperformed, which various pieces have over the course of the year.
When a team cannot keep up dollar wise with two of it’s division foes, then each dollar must be spent wisely. The mere fact that KK’s won loss record is so crappy due to his lousy run support, clearly supports my theory. IF we had spent KK’s money on a more consistent run producer, that said run producer would more than likely have led to many more victories in Lowe’s, Vazquez’s and JJJ’s starts early in the year, and a couple of Hanson’s no-decisions. Allowing us to not have such a stellar 5th starter.
I’m not denying that our rotation from 1-5 isn’t great. It is. It will be better if Hudson returns to form. But a 5th starter can only affect one out of every 5 games. Sometimes less when off-days are taken into account.
An everyday player can affect 5 out of 5 games.
I stand by my statement. KK’s 8 million dollars could have been spent better. But I guess that there is no sense in me changing my tune now. I’ve only been spouting that Wren could have acquired one less pitcher, and one more bat since, oh, about…… JANUARY.
My knock isn’t on KK (or any of the rotation guys – one could argue that in the innings he pitches, KK has been more impressive than Lowe since May 1st). My knock is on where Wren allocated the dollars going to KK.
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 2009
6:12 pm
TcD
I guess I can log back off the Delta website, huh..