2:57 pm July 29, 2009, by David O'Brien
July 29th, 20094:23 pm
The Braves lost Texeira from lineup last year, Chipper is another year older, they had no centerfielder (except a 22yr old coming off an HGH suspension), an erratic Frenchy in RF, little power anywhere in the lineup, and all Wren does to address that is to sign G. Anderson. Not saying they shouldn’t have signed him. He came at a good price. But it seemed obvious to anyone that the offense was going struggle this year. He could have spent $8 million on a hitter instead.
July 29th, 20094:24 pm
KK would have 10 wins and be a star in NYC for the Yanks or Boston with the sox…all those Japenese fans and the runs per game he would get with those teams…instead he is with the light hitting Bravos and there aren’t any Asians in Atlanta who give a crap about him… His ERA is better than D-Lowe and D-Lowe has 10 wins…how can people on this blog slam him? Hopefully we win 2-1 today because I don’t see us getting 3 or more
UNC… are all Tar Heels as annoying as Gator fans? You are certainly reaching that level.
Can someone tell me why Church has been starting? He does not hit well and his defense since joining the Braves has been a little sketchy. I would rather have Diaz in RF.
He could have spent $8 million on a hitter instead.
Yeah but he probably wasn’t counting on Vazquez having a career year. And good pitching beats good hitting. Not saying I wouldn’t have taken care of the offense too, but it’s not like the way he went about this off-season is indefensible.
July 29th, 20094:25 pm
Anyone else notice that Hayward is batting 443? why the heck is Norton still up? He has struck out the last 3 times he has pinch hit… Bobby and his favorites! see.. pete orr..ect.
his [Church] defense since joining the Braves has been a little sketchy
You know, maybe instead of an FAQ, we should have a minimum 1,000 baseball viewing hours requirement.
tale of woe
July 29th, 20094:26 pm
Ry – that throw Chirch made last night was awesome. Yes, he did drop a ball a few games ago, but he is much better than Diaz in the field…
Eric from MO
Beekay dont get two upset, it is really only 2 people bashing him. Maybe their one of their relatives got killed by some Japs in WWII.
July 29th, 20094:27 pm
“I find it amusing that Jeff Francoeur is batting .327 with 3 HRs and 16 rbi’s in 14 games since the trade. Maybe he’s just a NY kind of guy?”
Or maybe it just helps that he now has a competent manager and hitting coach
Besides with the return of Hudson shortly it’s like we just traded for a Lee imo.
Lotta Kawakami bashing on here…Kawakrappy??? Very good lol. But I say Kawakami has done pretty well for his first year in the MLB. We’re just so used to good consistant pitchers in our rotations that the slightest bad one is almost untolerable…
PWHjort – it’s not indefensible, it just should have been obvious to a MLB General Manager that the offense was not going to be good enought to contend for a division title unless every hitter in the lineup had a career year and lived up to every expectation, that is what Wren was banking on.
I don’t get it. The Phillies don’t have to give up their top prospects for Cliff Lee, but we have to give our top prospects up for Teix? What gives?
Nova Scotia Steve
Did anyone see Church’s throw to 3rd last night in a big spot in the game to gun down the runner???
I don’t know if Diaz makes that throw…
July 29th, 20094:28 pm
Nova Scotia Steve ~ “Wren could have signed Randy Wolf easily… even if it was a two year deal for the same $$$ he paid Kawacrappy for Wolf.”
Dude, just because he bores you doesn’t mean he sucks or is “crappy”. He’s probably the best #5 in the league. He’s probably better than most #3 pitchers in the league…No, he doesn’t go 7 innings. He DOES keep his team in the game every start (save for one). What more could you want? Randy Wolf has made 30 starts exactly 4 times in 10 seasons. He’s also averaged only half an inning more per start. WHIP about the same, KK has a better ERA. K/9 is about the same. KK walks a few more. Wolf’s given up more homers.
Wolf’s cheaper in terms of dollars and years. But look at it this way: KK’s locked in for 2 more years at the same amount. If Wolf keeps it up, he’ll probably make more than $8MM next year. And maybe more than a 2-year contract. And he leaves a hole in LA’s rotation next year. Say LA resigns him to a 2/$20MM contract, which is reasonable. That’s a slightly higher 3-year total than KK.
I’m not in any way saying KK is better than Wolf, but you need to realize that Wolf isn’t any better than KK.
Frank Wren/John Scherholz: "Prospects....we hate em!"
Hey Marvin! That’s because we HATE prospects! They never pan out.
July 29th, 20094:29 pm
Adam Dunn get here now
If Adam Dunn was in Gwinnett County and he started running towards Turner Field as fast as he could, would he get there before the season is over?
The loss to the Marlins last night hurt especially because of the piss poor performance of the team in the first three months of the season.. The early games really do count. Right now the Braves biggest need is someone in the bullpen. Maybe Hudson, absent a better option? unfortunately Hudson throws a lot of big innings too. Probably hopeless this year.
The Real Don Steele
If the Braves can beat Lincecum handily, and they did, Josh Johnson is beatable too. I bet Josh was lying awake last night worried about facing this line-up which has by-and-large been rakin’ one through eight for the past three weeks. Braves fans tend to be nervous and gun-shy. The Bravos need to put up 8 or 9 tonight and see if that will do the job.
UNCBrave, Nova Scotia Steve, and Russell:
You have taken away half my happiness today!
July 29th, 20094:30 pm
What is a nova scotia?
PWHjort – you’re an idiot.
tale of woe – I missed last night’s game, but he not only dropped a ball, but also misplayed a couple of others. I am not saying Diaz’s defense is better, but it seems about the same and Diaz certainly provides more offense, which apparently they needed last night.
July 29th, 20094:31 pm
“The best No. 5 starter in the league??”
You’re joking correct?
I like you Kawakami, just not for $8 million for 3 years, at the expense of a decent hitter!
If I’m the Indians GM and Wren called me about V.Martinez I’d be demanding Freeman/Medlen/low prospect right off the bat. He’s a switch hitting C/1B that’s cheap so that ain’t happening. Just stop it. I can see maybe a reliever and a damn good one like League from Tor. as something that might get done soon, but we aren’t getting any offensive help for ‘09 aside from Infante. Who knows, maybe Heyward joins the big club in Sept. to help make a postseason push.
how about mark reynolds, he’s hitting .280 with 28 hr, i know he strikesout alot but who cares with that kind of production on crappy teams
It may have already been mentioned, but the stadium will not be “Landshark” stadium for the 2010 Superbowl.
Also, for what it’s worth, Landshark is a lot like Corona, which I guess falls in line with Buffett’s “ParrotHead” mantra.
July 29th, 20094:32 pm
No Russell, he was banking on players not having their worse years. Early in the season GA was having his worse year, McCann went blind, Schafer wasnt living up to what was expected, and KJ is having his worse year. He was hoping that Francouer rebounded to be decent, not great. If everybody hit to what their normal stats are then the offense would of been fine with this staff. There wasnt anyway he knew they were all going to be playing thier worse.
Marvin at 4:27. Like I said on an earlier page in this blog, the Phillies gave up their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 10th rated prospects in the deal. What more do you want?
July 29th, 20094:34 pm
If Adam Dunn was in Gwinnett County and he started running towards Turner Field as fast as he could, would he get there before the season is over? – RHR
Of course he could. It’s not that far. The real question would be if he were in DC and he started running towards Turner Field would he get there before the season is over. I think he could do it.
holy crap, he also has 18 steals on the season we need to get this guy for left field
Russell…I’m with ya bro….
I just don’t like the length and salary of the deal…I think its brutal
July 29th, 20094:35 pm
or 1st base
Church is a solid defensive player. He’ll make the occasional blunder but his plus plays well outnumber his minus plays from what I saw of him on the Mets.
Marc from FL
Why no love for Carlyle? Did you all forget that he was pretty much our best pitcher in the bullpen before the whole diabetes escapade? And then you have Huddy coming back… I fail to see the need for any new arms.
Nova name a better number 5 in the league.
Who was the Red Sox projected 5th starter this year Penny?
J. Happ Philly
Marvin, why are you and some others comparing Lee to Tex? Tex is a pretty young, powerful switch hitter that plays GG defense. He’s not a starter who pitches every 5th day. Besides, Lee is 7-9 with a very average ERA and you have to think it will go up in that LL park. They are not even in the same class.
I ask you guys a legitimate question. It seems that there are a number of teams that haven’t produced offensively this season as expected. Do you think that there is a correlation between this and the crackdown on steroids? I haven’t seen how much home runs have dropped but I know that teams aren’t hitting as they were several years ago. Does it have anything to do with an absence of steroids?
July 29th, 20094:36 pm
Package up kotchman, johnson, freeman.. put a rubberband around them, stick your index finger in, make a lil more room, and squish sciambi in as well..give Johnson a picket sign saying ” i hit 2 doubles and a Homer in my last game” and hide him inside. Probably missing one more player?
send “it” to Cleveland for Martinez.
Kotchman: has a seriously flawed swing that will prevent him from ever hitting with power.
KJ: Well, hes KJ. nuff said
Freeman: He’s a prospect,1 of 10 prospects lives up to their hype.
Nova Scotia Steve
Daslied is probably right. KK is probably the best #5 starter in the league statitically. Accept it dude.
Eric From MO, I would not say every player is having their “worst” year! What about Escobar, Prado, Kotchman, D. Ross, Diaz, G. Anderson? They are all having either better years or a typical productions. Schafer was a huge gamble to give the CF job to, Francouer has always been erratic, and McCann only missed a month. KJ is the only player who is truly having his “worst” year.
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 20094:37 pm
Last point on Kawakami vs a big bat. Being a GM is kinda like a complicated crap shoot. With injuries and player either playing up to their potential (Vazquez, Jurrjens, Escobar, Soriano, etc) and others not (Frenchy, Chipper, KJ, etc) sometimes you guess right, and sometimes you just get lucky.
If Frank Wren had a crystal ball, we would have Raul Ibanez and Ryan Ludwick roaming our outfield, with Kawakami or Lowe pitching elsewhere.
I guess we all can agree to disagree on how we grade the man on his efforts. I give him a B+.
McFann: What next, I ask you? What next??
B-Mac demands trade to best friend’s team, the Muts?
According to Google Maps, it would take an average person 8 days and 15 hours to walk from Nationals Park to Turner Field. The walking, however, is the easy part. The hard part would be following the 282 different turns.
July 29th, 20094:38 pm
Anyone that thinks Kawakami signing was bad, we could of gone with a MLB known like Oliver Perez and spent 12 mil/year for 3 years. What is his era? I think way over 7. Now that is brutal.
and officially I believe Tommy Hanson would be our 5th starter as he took Tom Glavine’s place…correct?
3.14 is an average ERA for Lee. Wow, you sure have set a high standard if that is average.
JJ Happ isnt their number 5 pitcher.
July 29th, 20094:39 pm
“wjones, what do you mean “When is it anyone’s responsibility to save the Indians from themselves?”
No one should save the Indians from themselves and no one did. The point is did the Indians get the best possible deal for themselves for Lee? And I think they did. What does that have to do with someone saving the Indians from themselves? I don’t understand your point.”
That’s cool, man. I didn’t understand your post, either. So I guess we’re even. :0
You had said the point was whether the trade was good for the Indians. Without knowing anything else, I was assuming that someone should be worried about the Indians giving away players for low return, which as all good Pirate fans know, is now a Pittsburgh tradition. My only concern on the deal is whether the Indians gave the Phils a good deal with a look to the future when they might return the favor. Which, in the short-term, will potentially affect our post-season chances. I know Lee wasn’t going to get the return that Halliday probably would, but it looks like Philly did a good job here. But we shall see, won’t we?
The Florida Marlins just traded Jeremy Hermida to Kansas City. Baseball America, ESPN and MLB.com are not able to find any info on the two prospects the Marlins received from the Royals. An ESPN Insider has some “vague” memory of one of the guys being taken in the 9th Round in 1999. Hermida is expected to serve as the Royals’ 6th outfielder and 3rd left handed pinch hitter. Hermida a few years back was seen as a “potential” batting champion. He was serving in a platoon arrangement with Brett Carroll who has cleared waivers for the 13th time. The Marlins said they are not finished trying to improve the club.
Steve- The rotation order got reset after the AS break. Hanson is #5 since he was the last to pitch after the break.
July 29th, 20094:40 pm
I can see why Wren would stand pat offensive wise. However, a bullpen arm is a must have. I know Tim Hudson is coming back and Carlyle too, but I’d rather have a sure thing with an acquired reliever along with them. Right now, they are question marks.
So (some) you are telling me you think KK is a $8 million/per season starter?
Russell: He could have spent $8 million on a hitter instead.
Russ, you come up with $8,000,000, and I’m sure Frank will get us a hitter.
Just thinking here, but if Halliday pitched for the Phils, he might win 30 games. I mean, look at Moyer. Geez.
Eric – Or we have gone with a hitter. He already had a projected rotation of Lowe, Vasquez, Jurrjens, Glavine, Hanson, with Hudson available later in the year. SPend $8million on a bat!
Steve from OH
July 29th, 20094:41 pm
Jesus…ok, first off, “#5 starter” implies that there are better starters pitching in front of you, i.e. NOT Jamie Moyer and Rodrigo Loped. Secondly, Happ is due for correction in a big way. Thirdly, why the hate for KK? The Braves paid fair market value for him (or a little less), and his numbers are solid–4.04 ERA, steady BABIP and LOB%, FIP close to ERA…oh, and did I mention he’s been worth 5MM already this season? I’ll take that from a no. 5 any day of the week.
Who is for Philly then Joe Blanton?
KK would be the #2 guy here in DC for the Nats
Those guys are not their teams 5th starters. Not sure if Penny is better than KK even.
I’m not checking his Facebook).
Shamus – he would have $8million if he did not spend it on Kawakami!
July 29th, 20094:42 pm
Hey Dave, is it true the Phillies are getting Cliff Lee from Cleveland?
Who was the better baseball player in high school, Francoeur or Hermida?? I never knew selection of upper tier 1st round choices was such a crap shoot??
July 29th, 20094:43 pm
Of course he could. It’s not that far.
July 29th, 20094:44 pm
We could do much worse than sending KK out there.
How would y’all like to see Jeff Bennett give tonight’s game a whirl?
unless we are trading KJ, JOJO, Brandon Jones, I would rather keep the team we have…maybe even Gonzo if we are not planning on resigning him. Vasquez is too good right now and is signed for next year. If Huddy comes back strong than we can trade someone next year or during the offseason
mark reynolds ops > adrian gonzalez, mark texeria, justin upton, bmac, evan longoria, ryan howard
July 29th, 20094:45 pm
Yes Russell if you read what I wrote, GA was having his worse year when the offense was struggling, Schafer wasnt a “huge” gamble. He was a top prospect. Alot of teams count on one or two rookies. There was many who thought Francouer would rebound, me not one of them. Plus our offense was bad for 3 months, a third of that was McCann missing. He had good reason to believe our offense to be decent. If Schafer had been a decent rookie, not even great, GA hadnt gotten off to a slow start, McCann not been blind, and KJ not having his worse year we would probably be 5 games better. This would put us leading the wild card and right behing the Phillies. Hindsight is 20/20.
Your 5th starter is the pitcher who you would move to the bullpen or release if you traded for Roy Halladay.
Sorry Russell, I didn’t realize that’s what you were saying…
The poll on the Mets blog here in NY asks: What inning do you think Frenchy will get his RBI tonight?
Tonight comes off to me as a pretty big game, even though every game is big from here on out. If Kawakami can some how manage to silence the fish and the bats can step up against a guy that Peter Gammons picked to win the NL Cy Young at the beginning, then we got Vazquez going tomorrow for the series win. A victory tonight would make yesterday a distant memory, but a loss could suck lol
July 29th, 20094:47 pm
Whatever Nova, does anyone really believe Hanson is our number 5 guy other than you? You havent been able to base your arguement other than the fact that he bores you. Im done talking about this.
RHR – you talkin’ to me? Are you talkin’ to me? (maybe someone else’s Facebook)
KK is as much an 8-mil starter as Lowe is a 15-mil one.
Bravoman – Did you room with Paul Lentz at The School Of Wishy Washy?
Anybody know the status of Campillo? When’s he coming back? Or, is he?
July 29th, 20094:48 pm
Russell, what hitter? Who do we get for $8mil that’s good enough to carry this stagnate offense? And the year after almost our entire rotation goes on the DL, a GM doesn’t hesitate to enforce his rotation with vet guys that have a track record. Signing KK was the smart thing to do, but even if it wasn’t, what hitter do you sign for $8mil, who would you have signed with that money?
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
Russell’s angling for the Robert award. Except Robert actually adds a lot to the conversation on those rare occasions he’s not fixated on, well, you know.
July 29th, 20094:49 pm
Considering the declining value of FA outfielders last winter, who would you have signed for 8 million per year? Ibanez and Dunn went for more. Would Abreu been worth the difference between his pay and GA’s?
Not being confrontational, but curious.
Mark Reynolds has great power, speed and an OPS…..But people on here will say his K’s are too much (roll eyes)
Kawakami is not a good pitcher….Best thing we can hope for is a rain delay after the 2nd innning…Gets Johnson out of the game and Kawakrappy after he has thrown 50+ pitches
ERIC – Our offense has been bad all year until this past month. We have no one this team capable of hitting more than 20 HRs, no one (until McClouth) that could steal more than 15 bases, only Chipper & McCann who have consistantly hit .300 or better. That is not an offense you win with. Wren should have known that!
July 29th, 20094:50 pm
Russell if Schafer was a huge gamble then Hanson would of been a big gamble too. No one, other than me, knew Vazquez would have a career year. I actually predicted it. Plus no one knew if Glavine would of made it back. Plus some thouht JJ may have a 2nd year slump, especially since his innings went up so much. Instead of Kawakami we would have had Jo Jo as our guy for the first 2 months. That would of been an automatic loss. Our pitching was still an unknown.
For the same reasons that you like Reynolds, the DBacks won’t trade him. He’s young, cheap and good. To get him you better offer high end talent like a #1 or #2 caliber cheap starter and another top 20 prospect just to get them to listen to you….
July 29th, 20094:51 pm
Steve from Ohio, When you say they paid “fair market value” for this guy and you realize what he has produced and the state of the global economy, do those words give you any cause for pause.
And I’m not being a bad A$$ and actually enjoy your posts. The craziness of this stuff sets in if I Blog too long. I consider myself VERY fortunate that I got to retire at 53 after a highly successful IPO and I have NOWHERE near the money as these guys and yet lead a great life that includes frequent road trips to watch the Fish. When is enough enough?? And I UNDERSTAND totally that you are entitled to whatever you can get–BUT when is enough enough?? AND I don’t know your financial state but when people with 23,000in their 401(k) plans at 50 talk about 12 million like it is chump change–I’m amazed. can you understand that?
“i wish we could just trade KK and keep both.” Andrew in P-tang
Kawakami is not a good pitcher….Best thing we can hope for is a rain delay after the 2nd innning…Gets Johnson out of the game and Kawakrappy after he has thrown 50+ pitches (UNCBrave)
The Braves bring Chief Knockahoma on the road to create just such a scenario. He’ll begin the dance when Johnson throws his 35th pitch.
July 29th, 20094:52 pm
“Kawakami is not a good pitcher….Best thing we can hope for is a rain delay after the 2nd innning…Gets Johnson out of the game and Kawakrappy after he has thrown 50+ pitches”
Go back and look at the box score of the Blue Jays game against Halliday.
Go back and look at the Yankees game where he nailed on the neck after three perfect innings.
Go back and check out his record from May 1 until his last start.
Go back and check the stats of all 5th starters in the NL.
Then get back to me.
Marc from FL – How about Adam Dunn or Bobby Areu? They aren’t the greatest, but during the first 3 months of the season, they could have provided SOME offense, when the Braves hitters were providing none.
Kawakami is not a good pitcher
This is incorrect, but think as you must.
[Wren] already had a projected rotation of Lowe, Vasquez, Jurrjens, Glavine, Hanson, with Hudson available later in the year.
Actually, he didn’t. Lowe was signed after Kawakami, and there was no guarantee that Lowe would sign with the Braves. Glavine was rehabbing until at least June, Hudson wouldn’t be back until September, and Hanson hadn’t pitched above AA. So, what you really had was Vazquez and Jurrjens. That was just a trifle short of a full rotation.
I’m not a big fan of Kawakami, but you’re spinning reasons he shouldn’t have been signed from whole cloth.
July 29th, 20094:53 pm
Russell Im done talking about this. Everyone on here except you and Nova knows it was the smart thing to do.
Also, hitters were going for a premium last offseason. GA and Griffey signed for relatively small dollars at the end of the spring, but before that, $10 million per year was the minimum for big-time hitters.
How many Mets losses will it take before you throw in the towel again, Anders?
July 29th, 20094:54 pm
And Abreu signed for relatively low dollars, but like Dunn, teams stayed away from him (unwisely, in my view) because he’s a bad defender.
I consider myself VERY fortunate that I got to retire at 53 after a highly successful IPO
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