2:57 pm July 29, 2009, by David O'Brien
July 30th, 20091:21 pm
REobert-Bozo? Is that what you call it?
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 30th, 20091:22 pm
I’ll have to review the records before I decide if he’s “Hall-worthy,” but for years McGriff was about as fearsome a hitter as anyone. Don’t know if he was at the top of his game long enough (and like Murph, he tailed off quickly). But you wanted him at the plate with the game on the line, that’s for sure.
July 30th, 20091:23 pm
“REobert-Bozo? Is that what you call it?”
I always refer to Cox as either Donk or Bozo
July 30th, 20091:24 pm
So have pitchers adjusted to Prado yet? Seems like since he was always a utility guy pitchers could afford to skip studying him. Could’ve played into him getting off to a great start.
[blasphemy]I hate to say it, but I’d give KJ a shot starting the next few games while he’s still hot.[/blasphemy]
I have to agree with about publishing the list. If the list was going to be not published for all folks on it then great. But now we know of at least 4 folks who were on the list. Is it fair to them to be outed when others are not?
I know publishing the list will give folks the argument that “well we now know for sure that these guys are guilty so they can’t be in the HOF and all their records need to be removed.”
But these ‘leaks” make it real unfair to the few that were on the list and have been outed.
July 30th, 20091:25 pm
Robert-Why am I not surprised you name your body parts?
July 30th, 20091:26 pm
cabravesfan – I just need a good teacher.
July 30th, 20091:27 pm
Can someone tell me what FRANK WREN is thinking?? THis team needs a BIG BAT and a middle reliever….
The Indians gave Lee away for nothing. Call for V-MART. Trade anyone of Kawakami/KJ/Medlen/Scafer/Rohrbourgh/Spruill in a PACKAGE (NOT ALL)…..The Indians won’t ask for Freeman b/c they have 1B in the system, Heyward and Hanson are untouchable.
Then trade Kotchman for a reliever
I wouldn’t say pitchers have figured Prado out, but he probably could use a couple of days off. When did he last miss a game?
Get KJ some more ABs while he’s hot, too!
July 30th, 20091:28 pm
Robert-I knew a Dude in college who referred to “himself” as BRuce-something to do with Sruce tree comparisons, but BOZO? Insight into why you are the way you are, I suppose.
July 30th, 20091:29 pm
Anders ~ “He looks incredibly comfortable for a new guy.”
I hope it works out for him, I really do. But that’s exactly what Braves fans said when he was called up.
The PHILLIES get Cliff Lee..
The ROCKIES get Rafael Betancourt…
The GIANTS get Freddy Sanchez and Garko..
The MARLINS are going to get Heath Bell..
WHAT ARE THE BRAVES DOING??? DO something Wren….Jeez
July 30th, 20091:30 pm
As a fellow Tar Heel, let me encourage you to take a couple of deep breaths.
V-Mart: Great pickup if you can get him.
Tribe: Not taking on Kawakami’s and KJ’s contracts. They’re shedding payroll. They’re not in business to make the Braves better at any cost.
Thank God someone has finally brought my plight into the light. I have callouses on top of my callouses. I just can’t take this abuse any longer.
Paul Trying to compare athletes with others in the entertainment world in order to make a point about privacy is a failed analogy.Why would you want to test musicians and actors and artists? We already know that many of them f’d up!
Unlike athletes, these people LOVE to tell us about their substance abuse. Even if they don’t come out and tell us, they are in rehab where their privacy is routinely violated and we’re told the where’s and what for’s of their stay?
Unlike athletes, theses performers rarely pretend to be drug-free. Some time back when I’m at a Stevie Nicks concert and she stumbles out and falls flat on her face, do I really need to ask for drug testing? Look at the music videos, especially many from the 80’s, no matter which genre, and you’re left shaking your head and thinking how cocaine and booze is bad bad thing…lol!
The problems for players is that they hide behind that privacy and tell lies until they are outed. They even go before Congress and lie about their drug habit. I don’t recall any actor or musician doing that.
And the truth is…right now we only seem to be getting big-time Latino players outed. That is what troubles me the most. They deserve to be outed, but there are no big time Black or White players who are on that list too? The problem here is deeper than violating of privacy.
Rob from SC
July 30th, 20091:32 pm
The only players other teams want are players the Braves won’t trade. Say what you want about who the Indians got for Lee but they were the # 2-3-4-10 prospects ranked by Baseball America. You want to trade crap for diamonds.
July 30th, 20091:33 pm
Those of you clammoring for Wren to do something make me laugh. What do you think he’s done this season, sit on his hands. He was preemptive by getting Nate McLouth a good two months ahead of the deadline when they needed help and pulled the trigger on that trade. Then although, Chruch hasn’t been great, the got rid of Frenchy which was addition by subtraction, and they’re about to get Hudson and Infante back which is the equivalent of making two trades. So Wren has done his heavy lifting, and he didn’t rule out a trade if he felt he good help the club but at this point, you don’t give up more prospects unless you really think it’s going to help you.
wjones………While I appreciate you agreeing with my 1:00pm posting, I’m not sure that your “income tax” analogy really applies. You have to remember what the economic structure was like in the early 1900’s. The reasons why unions were formed here in America was because big business didnt care at all about the working man. They paid as little as they could, provided no health insurance, had no interest whatsoever in providing a safe work environment for their workers, colluded with other businesses to keep wages down, etc. Also, people forget about why the FDA was created. Big business didnt care about product liability or putting unsafe products out there. What incentive did a business have back in those days to pull products from the shelves that were unsafe?
Everyone should pay taxes. And regulations need to be put in place to ensure safety and fairness. If not, big business would run roughshod over their employees. If you dont believe me, just look at how many business treat their undocumented workers here in America. They dont care about observing treating their undocumented workers fairly because they are of the mindset of “who are you going to tell on me to? if you do then you will be deported”. Whether someone is undocumented or not is a separate issue from how a person treats another person. If someone feels that a undocumented worker is so “immoral”, then dont hire them. Dont hire them, exploit them, and then say “you are evil, you deserve to not be treated with fairness nor like a human”.
NH doesn’t have a tail tax either
July 30th, 20091:34 pm
braves on roids–
Robert-I’m sorry the Doctor’s suggestion to wear a special Clown Glove hasn’t worked. The pain must be excruciating. Maybe handcuffs would do the trick?
July 30th, 20091:35 pm
I’m sure you know a few- aren’t you a teacher?
July 30th, 20091:37 pm
I don’t know which is worse, the physical abuse or having to listen to him screeching, “Hee Haw” over and over and over interrupted by insane giggles as he abuses me.
July 30th, 2009
“I have little doubt you got off on the ejection from last night”
I liked it in the sense that it increased our chances of winning the ballgame
Explain please. Bobby getting ejected changes nothing. He still calls the moves from within the tunnel. Is this just another one of you’re unfounded allegations.
semiballcoach- Apparently not.
July 30th, 20091:38 pm
josh willingham pulled from lineup
Josh WIllingham was pulled from the lineup.
July 30th, 20091:39 pm
Isn’t there a way to limit Robert’s posts to one per blog, if at all?
against gallardo too, somethings up
semiballcoach: “”braves on roids–
Braves on coke–
July 30th, 20091:41 pm
I’d add Sheffield, Rocker, maybe Estrada? And probably Justice after he left Atl. Hampton would make sense too.
Probably some of those 1-year relief pitchers too, forgotten most of their names.
Lew……….doing drugs “do enhance” the ability of one to record music. Music requires “creativity” to produce. Drugs have been documented to take people “places” where they would think and see things they normally wouldnt see and think in a sober state.
Also, there have been many a rock star who could never perform on stage without taking drugs. Being high “can affect” someone’s performance on stage.
Also, when it comes down to it, I could care less whether an athlete takes drugs or not. I want to see home runs, I want to see a runner run fast. I could care less whether they are enhance or not. If I had a chance to pump myself full of PEDs and make millions of dollars while enjoying the perks of being a superstar, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Once I made my money, you could say all the bad things about me you want. As long as I got paid and were to provide financial security for my family, then that is all that matters to me.
Whether it is PEDs in sports, a rock star being high on stage, a stripper or porn star with enhanced breasts, a stand-up comedian being lit on stage so he can be “hella funny”….then that is all that matters to me. I feel that PEDs, in whatever field you are in, should be an individual choice.
July 30th, 20091:42 pm
chipper on roids the year he hit 44, or was don baylor that good?
Willingham: Stiff neck, not a trade, according to WPost.
Bay Area Steve
July 30th, 20091:43 pm
Braves on Roids (semiball coach):
Ron Gant, Marcus Giles
Braves on Coke (Shamus):
Otis Nixon, Pasqual Perez, Ken Caminiti
Braves on Halle Berry:
Steve from OH
July 30th, 20091:44 pm
UNCBrave–I’ve been reading your rants for a few days now, and lemme just say that I’m glad you’re not the GM and/or running the farm system.
July 30th, 20091:45 pm
Willingham has a stiff neck
July 30th, 20091:46 pm
Baylor was good [grins].
1999 is going to be the season you’ll need CSI to figure out who was juicing and who wasn’t. It was the second season after expansion, and if recall correctly, offense often goes wacky just after expansion because a lot of pitchers who should have been in the minors or retired end up on big league rosters.
Well thank you for that explanation Paul. However, did you realize I’m an artist and still have my pony tail almost 60 years into my ex hippie life? Maybe I might know a bit more about the subject of drugs and creativity better than you. You are clueless in this instance. The only “performance enhancing” experience to any drug use I ever saw was talking speed to study for finals (and actually studying for those finals a week or more in advance works much better).
No one takes drugs to make them play guitar or paint better. As for the mind expanding? Doesn’t equate to hand eye coordination. You either got it or not.
July 30th, 20091:48 pm
Braves on Halle Berry: (B-A Steve)
Braves on Bobby Cox:
The only players other teams want are players the Braves won’t trade. Say what you want about who the Indians got for Lee but they were the # 2-3-4-10 prospects ranked by Baseball America. You want to trade crap for diamonds
Why is it that people keep demanding trades and using players names not knowing what the other team who you want to trade with even wants or needs?
They just keep throwing names out there … trades aren’t made for the heck of it (”I’ll give you random players A, B, and C” , “Deal!”)
I’ll just never understand that
Nova Scotia Steve
ATLANTA – Police have released tapes of a 911 call in which ESPN sideline reporter Erin Andrews complains that paparazzi are gathered outside her suburban Atlanta home.
Andrews has been the subject of intense media focus since she was surreptitiously videotaped nude in a hotel room.
In an audio tape released Wednesday, she tells a DeKalb County 911 operator that she’s being treated like Britney Spears and it `sucks.’ She made the call July 22.
Andrews identifies herself and tells the operator, `I’m all over the news right now,’ and describes herself as `the girl that was videotaped in my hotel room in the nude.’
Andrews is clearly frustrated and uses expletives to describe two men who she says also knocked on her door.
(The Associated Press)
July 30th, 20091:49 pm
Turn ON, Tune In, Drop Out and Juice. Tim Leary would love it.
Lew…….I dont blame athletes for lying about using PEDs. They know the public relations and legal hit they would take if they did. Personally, I feel that it isnt the public’s business whether the players are using PEDs or not
Just like I dont blame President Clinton for lying under oath for the Monica Lewinsky thing. How many men lie in divorce court, under oath, about infidelity? Everyone lies about sex. Hell, people even lie during sex, lol. I’d rather have a President lie about sex, then have a President lie in order to create a war that allowed his big business buddies to get super rich at the expense of the lives of poor and middle class kids.
Someone lying in itself doesnt both me. It’s what people in power lie about…..that bothers me.
Steve, you mean we are not supposed to make a trade because everyone else is?
How is that??
Yeah, Clinton NEVER got called on the carpet for that stained dress, did he?
July 30th, 20091:51 pm
MLBTR now says Josh Willingham was pulled because of a stiff neck, not a looming trade.
Lentz, Lentz, Lentz. Does someone need to remind you of the no politics rule?
July 30th, 20091:53 pm
I hate to be negative, but the Braves will not win the division or the wild card without picking up another bat and reliever.. Maybe the returns of Hudson and Infante can offset that, but I don’t think it will.. We are 8 games behind the Phillies and they just got stronger even though its a guy that will help them once every 5 days.. Time to look forward to next season for me..
“Hell, people even lie during sex, lol. I’d rather have a President lie about sex, then have a President lie in order to create a war that allowed his big business buddies to get super rich at the expense of the lives of poor and middle class kids.” – PL
boy PL, you’re all over the map today. you must be feeling really good today, such that ignorance is bliss.
Well, I had considered the possibility of standing pat and keeping our areas of organizational strength and using them to build toward the future, flange1, but then I saw the Phillies trade for Lee and the Giants add two mediocre pieces and thought, well heck, screw the direction we thought the organization was moving in, let’s trade everyone and their mother for V-Mart (Tex v. 2.0, except suckier) and some schlub reliever.
Lew…………I’ve seen many a VH1 special where a number of artists said that they dont know if their careers would have been as successful as it was “without the drugs”.
Again, I’m talking about the musicians who have been SUPERSTARS in their fields. Rockers, Rappers, and Bluesmen have been historically filled with drug use that inspired some of their most creative work.
civilized white trash
braves aint standing still—- didnt they make trades weeks/months ago
July 30th, 20091:56 pm
I heard that Josh Willingham was pulled because of a stiff neck, not a trade? Anybody else hear that?
(This is stupid of me, but whatever)
I want to see home runs, I want to see a runner run fast.
And I want to see a game with integrity and honor, with respect for its traditions and history, and not a bunch of folks looking the other way on something that is, after all, illegal. I want it mommy and I want it now! LOL!
Nova Scotia Steve………….I actually downloaded the Erin Andrews tape. Obviously no sex, but it shows her fine A$$ body while she is using a curling iron to do her hair in her hotel room. She’s in front of the mirror, posing while she checks out her body.
You cant hear anything during the whole tape, however at the end of the tape, all of a sudden you hear “dudadu, dudadu” (the ESPN Sportscenter music), lol. I got a good laugh out of that one, lol.
Paul Lentz-I don’t need a VH1 Special to know about it. I LIVED the life. I’ve been a professional painter for almost 40 years. I’ve know other artist the entire time and also had numrous musicians for friends and roommates. Never di I hear anyone claim that “Drugs made the man (or Woman)”. People do them because they feel good-NOT to enhance performance.
July 30th, 20091:57 pm
Even with Lowes’ 4 stright wins his ERA is a miniscule .17 better than KK’s. In Lowes last 4 wins the Braves have avg. 6.9 runs per game. KK sucked last night. But he has had fewer sucky games than Lowe has. And his team basically lays down when he pitches.
Cincinnati is 9 games back in the division and 9.5 games back in the wild card, but yet they are about to trade for Scott Rolen. What gives with that? Why are they making moves like that when they are so far out of it?
Steve From OH, I am with you on your take. This is the time of year that teams get just raped by those dealing their excess baggage.
July 30th, 20091:59 pm
And they are rumored to be giving up Yonder Alonzo. That would be a bad trade
I AGREE 100%…
July 30th, 2009
I hate to be negative, but the Braves will not win the division or the wild card without picking up another bat and reliever..
Original Jon, Cincinatti has never had a method to the madness. Rolen would be a good bat for any club. They would be tough on the corner with Joey Votto and Scott Rolen. Edwin Encarnacion going to Toronto, I would guess?
Damn Mets are closing in on us fast as well. Its going to be a 5 game winning streak for them after this afternoons game. Leading 6-0 so far with Santana on the mound.
July 30th, 20092:00 pm
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July 30th, 20092:02 pm
remember what the economic structure was like in the early 1900’s. The reasons why unions were formed here in America was because big business didnt care at all about the working man. They paid as little as they could, provided no health insurance, had no interest whatsoever in providing a safe work environment for their workers, colluded with other businesses to keep wages down, etc
Truth is that things haven’t changed much. Corporations still don’t care about workers, only this time they are in collusion with Republicans and Centrist and Southern Democrats to hold wages down and ship jobs outside the country. And the health insurance most people have is overpriced because they are paying for those that are uninsured (plus stock dividend, exorbitant executive salaries, marketing, etc..) and the same noxious combination of politicians are once again standing in the way. Truth is, things have not changed much for working people in 100 years and we’re living in a New Gilded Age only this time, we have working people who believe the corporations and rich people are their path to freedom and salvation.
Lew………….painter? who said anything about painters? there isnt much money in painting (unless you are dead, lol).
Robert – can I ask you something? If watching and talking about the Atlanta Braves brings you so much misery and drudges up all this anger you display, then why bother?…or are you here to save the Braves with your intellect like PL?
July 30th, 20092:03 pm
Oh I am with you guys, I dont think its a smart move on their part at all. Just cant understand why they are trying to trade for a guy that cannot help them this year.
July 30th, 20092:09 pm
Has anyone seen this PBS Wide Angle episode, Victory Is Your Duty? It is about handpicked Cuban boys who are trained as boxers for the Olympics.
It is supposed to be re-broadcast next month and it sounds interesting given all the discussion we’ve had about Yunel’s personality.
July 30th, 20092:11 pm
Coach will be here soon – apparently somewhere there is trade interest in the Padres’ Luis Durango. That brings the grand total of people who have heard of him to 3. Including me.
Fun fact – after learning he might be traded, Durango treated his 12 closest friends to dinner last night.
Truth Is… ………while things could be better for the working man, things are still much better for American workers than they were in the early 1900’s. It’s like night and day. Without unions, America wouldnt be what it is today. We would not have nearly the standard of living that we have today. Unions, along with government regulation, forced big business to practice “true capitalism” (instead of colluding and forming monopolies to keep profits high, competition low while suppressing wages as well).
Many sports fans bemoan sports unions now days. However, before the baseball union formed, there was no free agency, no collective bargaining, no player rights whatsoever. In other words, a player had no recourse if an owner didnt want to give him a raise.
Crazy Trades McGee
‘Paul Lentz’ and ‘Robert’ are happily achieving their roles of antagonist in their little cyber worlds. Congratulations, you can now feel like your opinions matter (as I’m sure that no one that knows you takes you seriously in real life).
All the “big bats” in the World wouldn’t help us win the Nl East right now
July 30th, 20092:13 pm
Geezus, If the Pirates keep trading players at this rate, their clubhouse is going to have more candles burning than the Police’s “Wrapped Around Your Finger” video.
July 30th, 20092:16 pm
Wren has done his work for this season. The Braves are competitive and will remain in the wildcard race and if things break right they have as good a chance as anyone of pulling it out. The next few years look very promising wiith Heyward and Freeman waiting in the wings. The only question is who will be managing them? Haven’t seen anything where the old Skipper’s contract has been extended.
July 30th, 20092:17 pm
Wren does need to at least trade for a good reliever because even if Kawakami goes in that pen when Hudson is back I don’t trust him. You know Moylan, Acosta, and Gonzo are better with a little rest between outings so that’s half your pen right there. Surely he knows this, so we’ll see.
July 30th, 20092:18 pm
I wonder how this Blog picks which posts it will eat…
July 30th, 20092:19 pm
Oh, and why am I not surprised the Royals picked up Josh Anderson? And Dayton Moore claims he “understands” OBP. LOL!
Up next for Royals fans…Jeff Francoeur! Enjoy!
July 30th, 20092:20 pm
BAS – Sure thing.
David Ortiz after his ST interview looks like a jacka**
Gotta side with Lew with the artists and drugs thing and I can speak from personal experience not hearsay from MTV. As a former late 60’s and early 70’s rocker with a few nasty drug habits obtained in Viet Nam, I can tell you that playing while high never enhanced performance but actually took away from the performance. Forgotten words, screwed up riffs, you name it and the sad part about it is the performer actually thinks screwing up is great rock.
July 30th, 20092:21 pm
I should point out that Yuniesky Betancourt’s OBP with the Royals is actually lower than his batting average. It now stands at a robust .116. Congrats Dayton, you are a genius!
July 30th, 20092:22 pm
“However, did you realize I’m an artist and still have my pony tail almost 60 years into my ex hippie life? ”
I always suspected that Lew, and it explains a lot. The drugs did their damage
July 30th, 20092:23 pm
Steve from OH
I should point out that Yuniesky Betancourt’s OBP with the Royals is actually lower than his batting average.
How is that possible? How do you get a hit and not get on base?
July 30th, 20092:24 pm
Paul Lentz-No money, and yet I’ve maintained a career doing everything from painting signs, portraits, illustrating books, designing tarot cards, etc. -even painted 200 NASCAR driver portraits for a guy who wanted to have them signed and sell them. Just depends on what you consider art to be. I know plenty of painters making money-just not many whose concept of art is, well-conceptual art. Not too much of creative interest in hanging a sofa on the wall or calling flipping on a light switch art-or maybe making cloth gates throughout Central Park..
Knew someone who painted 400 Hotel room paintings one summer in the Adirondacks. He made money. So did my friend who painted the covers of the Star Trek novels as well as the two friends who painted over 1000 sci fi book covers between them. Had another friend who wrote all the Dark Shadows books based on the old TV series that came out a couple years ago. Believe me-there are more people making money from art out there than you might think.
DOB: Any idea why Zeke Spruill was sent to the GCL today? Certainly its not a performance-based demotion, right?
fleming………….while I agree that getting high can lead to bad performances on stage, many a rock star has attributed drugs to the creativity that their music comes from. I can only imagine how many bands were high in the recording studio coming up with a new record.
July 30th, 20092:25 pm
fleming–sac flies count against you IIRC. But that sac fly was totally worth the atrocious OBP, right MFin09?
July 30th, 20092:26 pm
Hillbilly-Would that make their GM The King Of Pain?
No argue with the ex-rocker about something he knows firsthand. Always a good idea…
Lew……..there is a difference between “making a living” doing something………AND……..”making money” like an athlete, musician, or actor can make. I dont know of any SUPERSTAR artists getting paid like an A-Rod, Mick Jagger, or Jim Carrey.
July 30th, 20092:27 pm
Joe Fan, JS and Frank have both said that Bobby pretty much has a lifetime contract, he can stay as long as he wants to. Bobby manages year to year on his contract. If he feels like managing next year, he will be the manager, as long as he wants.
damn, lew. you just stole my thunder on the “king of pain” comment. well done.
fleming, sac flies count against OBP but not batting average.
July 30th, 20092:28 pm
“‘Paul Lentz’ and ‘Robert’ are happily achieving their roles of antagonist in their little cyber worlds”
Not trying to be antagonistic at all. It’s y’all that are hostile to me. Most folks here want the Braves to be contenders. I think I know how to make that happen, and I express my opinion. It’s not a popular opinion, but that aint gonna make me change it or silence it. I’ve been watching Bobby Cox turn diamond into graphite for twenty years. Any “anger” y’all think I have is frustration in watching umpteen golden opportunities waste away because the team is managed by an incompetent idiot
July 30th, 20092:29 pm
Robert-At least I don’t abuse myself to the Cry of Hee Haw. I don’t paint the same picture over and over again, either like you with your One Little Trick Pony rants. Or is that One Trick Donkey? Go nuzzle your feedbag-or something.
July 30th, 20092:30 pm
Thanks Shaun, Steve from OH
Chill…Braves are not making the playoffs this year WITH or WITHOUT a trade unless you can pry away Pujols from the Cards or Braun from the Brewers!
So stop demanding the Braves taking on V-Mart, an average at best 1B with marginal power numbers.
There was one true power hitter out there, Adam Dunn, he isn’t available, Braves didn’t want him to begin with. Holliday was too darn expensive for a 2 month rental, so was DeRosa.
Braves need to trade in the off-season. Not before that by trying to desperately get to the WC.
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