2:57 pm July 29, 2009, by David O'Brien
July 29th, 200910:53 pm
Thank you ACCTDAWG. I think you’re name needs more C’s in it. Kidding.
Interesting how we haven’t seen a single Mets fan around these parts for at least a month.
We lose two in a row to the Marlins and it’s as if we lost the last game of the year for the second time, blowing a chance to go to the playoffs.
If only I knew what that was like.
July 29th, 200910:54 pm
I’m guessing Wren won’t be standing pat now. He needs to do some kind of move. I am not saying major one, but something does need to be done.
July 29th, 200910:55 pm
Frenchy is so hot, the only thing that can cool him off is a rain out.
It’s all good. there’s always next year. Maybe I’ll be even better looking by then anyway…
When does baseball start using a strike zone computer program to call balls and strikes? Hitters and pitchers both should rejoice. Consistency.
July 29th, 200910:56 pm
Nobody in FLA. gives a rats azz about baseball and the marlins have 2 WS. Nobody even goes to their g/d games. We here in the ATL have loved our team pretty much since 1991 and we only have 1.
I hate it for Cox.
Its too much to take………….
until the next game.
That one on McGriff was probably the worst one of the whole game…and there were a bunch of REALLY bad ones. Of course….The Crime Dog was always a trouble-maker….kinda like McCann (g)
July 29th, 200910:57 pm
First, if you;re the Marlins catcher – the way the whole thing went down between the Braves and Hohn, at the end of the game, dont you make extra sure that you let Hohn know what a fine job he did “Hey, great work tonight blue”
Meanwhile, the peanut gallery here, the same ones who love to call me dumb, are advocating that the Braves go out and escalate the situation with this crew tomorrow night. Because that’s a battle we can win. Yeah
Second, here’s how sportsline.com saw it (this is straight from their recap of tonight’s game) – “Atlanta didn’t go out without a few of those famous fits.
Cox was tossed in the eighth inning for arguing ball and strikes. Plate umpire Bill Hohn motioned to Atlanta’s dugout trying to quiet Cox, who then came on the field to argue with Anderson at the plate.
Hohn and Cox traded verbal barbs for about a minute before the Braves manager was ejected, throwing his hands in the air and marching to the clubhouse. ”
In other words, Cox was braying, Hohn told him to stop, he didnt, and he got tossed. Period end of story. No conspiracy, no excuse. But that’s not from a homer source, so I;m sure it will be rejected by the apologst crowd
Goodnight all – even you njbrave
I had a similar thought. Only 2 days left.
July 29th, 200910:58 pm
Chipper Jones is a great baseball player. He is at the same time a soft punk who could get hurt in the back seat with a prom date. Did he do that? And when he is 85 is he still going to be Chipper. Will his grandchildren call him “Grandpa Chipper”? He’s a grown man and a great switch hitter. It’s now time to use your given name and quit being as brittle as a hummingbird.
July 29th, 200910:59 pm
Seriously? Attacking the man’s nickname? What would mets fans chant, if Chipper started going by his given name? That’d take the fun out of it, no?
July 29th, 200911:00 pm
The Braves got SCREWED by Hohn!?! It’s a freakin conspiracy!? What the @^&!)((!)*&)*(^$)*&!@$#^(@&!*#^
Sorry to unecessarily dis your team. I could care less if you must know.
I don’t even know what you’re talking about. You clearly spend more time thinking about Chipper Jones than I do. For obvious reasons.
Why would he give a Lou Gehrig speech anyway? There’s still plenty of time for him to destroy the Mets and name his future illegimate childred after their ballparks before his time on earth is done.
And speaking of Eric Gregg…I never figured out if he….
1. Had money on that game
2. Had a flight he needed to catch…or..
3. Was just hungry….and wanted to hurry up and go get somethin’ to eat.
Robert. No one likes you. Go away, troll.
Did you watch the game? Cox didn’t go to the plate to argue as you quoted. He came out. Looked perplexed. Tried to defuse it. And got tossed.
July 29th, 200911:01 pm
You realize your team has about $100 million worth of payroll on the DL right now, right?
A Mets fan that doesn’t like Chipper…Never seen that before
Medlen should take KK’s spot in the rotation…..Trade KK for a BAT…
The Braves STILL NEED A BAT as I said…
I still LOVE the FIRE of this team…I think we’re in it until the end
July 29th, 200911:03 pm
“Cox didn’t go to the plate to argue as you quoted. He came out. Looked perplexed. ”
Can you even read? EYE didnt say that – thats the wire report on the game that’s put up on yahoo, sportsline, etc. Of course I suppose that all the news offices except the AJC are in on the conspiracy against the Braves
Now, as far as Bobby looking perplexed. I have no doubt that was the case and I guarantee you he wasnt faking it
July 29th, 200911:04 pm
Dear Myra, The 25 guys who played on each of those World Champions don’t care either about how many people were in the stands. They have rings and Jeff Conine in two playoff appearances has more World Series Champion rings than any Atlanta Brave. It’s not an attendance contest or one of those blood drives between two colleges. It’s about who wins the last game of the season. If you don’t do that you’re just biding time. It’s like those imbecilic Cubs fans who talk about the Wrigley Experience and have 100 year old great grandmothers who weren’t alive last time Cubbies won anything. Stop with the crowd crap. That makes it all the more hilarious that they pulled that stuff off.
Well Robert that is what you get for commenting on something you read and online instead of seeing the game itself, that sportsline report of what happened beteween Cox and the umpire is pure BS. Cox never came out to the field until Hohn went over to the dugout and baited Cox into an argument, Bobby really never lost his cool, and for some reason Hohn took out the lineup card for some unknown reason. McCann was thrown out in the 9th inning after just asking Hohn to admit he was wrong about the pitch and then Hohn acted like an ass again. So next time you comment make sure you’ve actually seen the game with your own eyes and not through a computers account of the game.
Steve from OH
It’s now time to use your given name and quit being as brittle as a hummingbird.
And yet you go by “Mets Mike” instead of “Mets Michael.” Classy.
July 29th, 200911:06 pm
Rob–.452 BABIP. That’s not sustainable. He’s good, but he’s not this good. Nobody is.
July 29th, 200911:08 pm
And the article says that Hohn motioned to the dugout and that THEN Cox came onto the field. Nowhere does it say that Cox came out first. I swear, y’all dont even read it. You’re just in such a tizzy about it you cant even take time to read and process an unbiased account.
But I’m sure y;all know better what happened than the wire story. Good night
And by the way Superhoo, I aint here with the goal of winning a popularity contest. The truth is often unpopular, especially in a crowd that loves their excuses
July 29th, 200911:09 pm
And when he is 85 is he still going to be Chipper. Will his grandchildren call him “Grandpa Chipper”?
So should Griffey Jr. start telling people to call him “Ken” from now on?
You really think somebody should just disown a nickname that was given to them as a child? From what I can tell, he and his dad are pretty close and as we know, share a likeness. Maybe he should tell him that he doesn’t wanted to be associated with him anymore.
Robert did you even see the game? Let me say that I too would like to see this be Bobby’s last season. But with that being said Bobby was baited. Hahn took off his mask and went three fourths of the way to the Braves dugout. If Hahn had had actually enough of Bobby’s b!tchin then he should have thrown him out from home plate and not have gone after him. I have over 10 years of baseball umpiring under my belt, albeit mostly high school and a few college games, and I have never seen an umpire put on a display as I did tonight. Disgraceful even if he was in the right.
Rob from SC
July 29th, 200911:10 pm
I think Heyward is the type of player who plays better at the higher levels. He know if he does well he might gett called up. He is telling Wren he is ready with his bat
The A Bomb
THIS JUST IN. . .
Hohn will not be at the game tomorrow.
He is flying to L.A. to tape DEAL OR NO DEAL.
Howie Mandel enjoyed the fist bump tonight.
July 29th, 200911:11 pm
Hohn deserves some time off and a fine for this evening. He was crass, unprofessional and he got the calls wrong as did the guy at first base. He deserves to have his butt whipped or catch a battery to the dome but… that would be unprofessional too I guess.
Maybe he’ll find his norelco sometime soon.
You are a complete joke. If you watched the game you would know that it was Hohn that went after Cox. Bobby wasn’t even arguing. Hohn obviously wanted to throw him out of the game. By the way it’s “I” not “eye”. Don’t you learn that in kindergarten? You must either be 5 or retarded? I am betting on retarded.
First things first: Kawakami insisted he’s perfectly fine, no health issues, no shoulder woes. None of that caused his problems tonight, said everything just felt “off” and he was behind in counts all night.
Great quote when asked about disappointment over his performance:
“Giving up a home run with two outs to the pitcher isn’t just disappointing, but pathetic to me,” Kawakami said through his translator.
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 200911:12 pm
My babip has always hovered around .500…..it works about 50% of the time!
Maybe Hohn and Angel Martinez are lovers?
July 29th, 200911:13 pm
“But with that being said Bobby was baited”
I dont think he was baited. I think he was told to zip it (rightfully so).
But let’s suppose he WAS baited. That would be a foul move by the ump, but it wouldnt justify Cox being dumb enough to take the bait.
You can twist this any way you want. Bitching about balls and strikes is NEVER gonna be productive, and whether the player or the manager does it, it’s gonna bite the team in the behind.
The A Bomb
That was pretty funny. I just wish it was true.
July 29th, 200911:14 pm
Well, at least KK is professional and owning up to it. Taking responsibility.
That’s a lot more than I can say for several of the other members of the team.
is it just me or does billy hohn look like a pinkerton agent?
hOHN CAN KISS MY DAMNED ASS, THAT SONOFABITCH NEEDS TO BE ON THE WELFARE ROLL NOT THE PAYROLL.
Bobby was not going to bite on a question about getting tossed.
“I’m not going to talk about the umpires tonight,” snapped Cox, who’s been tossed four times this season and a record 147 times in his career.
Hohn also ejected Cox, Chipper Jones and Eric O’Flaherty on June 21 at Boston.
McCann was thrown out Wednesday after continuing the argument with Hohn before the bottom of the eighth, as the catcher was preparing to warm up pitcher Boone Logan.
“I went back out and said, ‘Can you at least tell me you missed it?’” said McCann, who had viewed the pitch on a TV monitor in the clubhouse before resuming the discussion with Hohn.
“He raised his voice and that was it,” said McCann, tossed after asking Hohn that question. “He got an attitude right away. That was unfortunate.”
McCann was angered over the 1-0 pitch that appeared to be outside. McCann eventually grounded into a double play.
Before the called strike, reliever Dan Meyer had thrown five consecutive balls, including a four-pitch walk to Chipper to start the inning.
“He threw five straight balls, and [the strike] was a foot out of the zone,” McCann said. “I knew it was off the plate. Not even close. It was a big situation in the game. We could have had a huge inning.”
July 29th, 200911:15 pm
“By the way it’s “I” not “eye”
I wanted to put an emphasis on the word I, and a capital I , since it’s always that way, doesnt convey that emphasis – EYE however, does
Giving up a home run with two outs to the pitcher isn’t just disappointing, but pathetic to me,” Kawakami said through his translator
KK actually said, “Giving up a HR to the pitcher is ok. It happens and is part of life. Oh well.”
His interpreter, knowing the sensitivity of those words with fans, responded with “Giving up a home run with two outs to the pitcher isn’t just disappointing, but pathetic to me”.
How’s that for a conspiracy?
July 29th, 200911:17 pm
Will his grandchildren call him “Grandpa Chipper”?
That’s humorous. My brother and I still call our 92 year old grandfather “Dahpey*,” which is a weird name we just made up as kids for no apparent reason.
Grandparents already have weird enough names to begin with. I don’t see what he would have against being called “Grandpa Chipper”.
*that’s pronounced “Dah-Pee”. No idea where we came up with that one. Just thought I’d share it anyway.
Mark Bowman at MLB.com reports that the Braves have been quiet on the trade front, and aren’t pressured to make a big splash after the Cliff Lee deal. They’ve inquired on a few relievers that apparently aren’t available.
If this is the case, then after tonight Wren better damn well get in a hurry, and feel some pressure!
July 29th, 200911:19 pm
I love the Loaf on a blackberry, btw!
Mitchell–we called my great-grandfather Ty in lieu of his given name, Elwood…
Maybe Chipper can fist bump Hohn after he makes a good play at third.
July 29th, 200911:20 pm
I wanted to put an emphasis on the word I, and a capital I , since it’s always that way, doesnt convey that emphasis – EYE however, does – Robert
Huh?!? Ok. EYE think you are an idiot. How about that?
““I went back out and said, ‘Can you at least tell me you missed it?’” said McCann, who had viewed the pitch on a TV monitor in the clubhouse before resuming the discussion with Hohn.”
Well there’s the mistake. What point was there in McCann going out and bringing it up again? None. It was a dumb thing for McCann to do.
And one strike call is what killed them? They couldve had a real big inning if not for one strike call?
Coming from one of theor best players, that’s pathetic. And you wonder why they cant get significantly over .500
Love how KK owned up to his responsibbility and took blame. We need more of that on this team. A lot more. Taking blame and accepting responsibility would do a heck of a lot more than letting umps see that even after the game, when it had been broguht up twice, McCann starts into it yet again
I think the pitcher was Meyer and not Johnson. The incident happened in the 8th inning.
July 29th, 200911:21 pm
“Huh?!? Ok. EYE think you are an idiot. How about that?”
Well, EWE are entitled to your opinion.
I think its cool the different names we give our grandparents, or that our children give their grandparents. Papa was my fav. I will one day be a papa.
DOB: Can anyone tell you off the record what the heck Hohn was doing with the lineup card and such? I know it’s a stupid question because if someone had told you you would have posted it already…but damn I’m curious!
So we still don’t know what the deal with Hohn taking out the rosters was?
Edward( Bobby Retires after 2009 or Bust )
July 29th, 200911:22 pm
I have MLB.TV and went back and look up the game, and you can fast forward to the 9th inning, he did right after the strike out.
We need more of that on this team. A lot more.
What, taking blame? How is this going to affect the team’s performance any differently than arguing with an umpire. You’re reaching, dude.
so what is frank wren gonna tell john malone of liberty media next year when malone asks him,
“who in the heck is this kawakami fella, and why are we paying a sushi chef in the 755 club $7 million?”
Robert – Hahn could have told Bobby to zip it from home plate, I am sure he is loud enough. Not only that Bobby did turn around back towards the dugout and Hahn kept hammering away with Bobby’s back turned.
Your right that it does little to no good to argue about it, but it is Bobby’s job to protect his players when they think that they are being wronged. Thus he did his job. How would you like it if you manager just sat in the dugout and did not have your back. This is one of the things that makes Bobby a good players manager.
And the fist-bump?
Robert has never played baseball. That’s obvious.
July 29th, 200911:23 pm
I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE EFFIN FIST BUMP!?!
And Robert, Please go away…
It doesn’t matter what Chipper’s grandkids call him. Just that he will ALWAYS call his son Shea. Isn’t that what really pi$$es you off?
July 29th, 200911:24 pm
It’s just too bad that Bobby, Mac and most of us on the blog can’t be as smart as you and as cool as you.
My guess is that you are probably not going to win over anyone with your well thought out arguments for the rest of the night, cause we are just a bunch of dumsheets like our manager.
I more pissed about the fist pump than the ejections.
braves fan lmh
I wonder honestly what it would cost to acquire Victor Martinez? The indians practically gave Cliff Lee away. So if the Indians are forced to clear payroll then Maybe Frank Wren can swoop in and get him.
Braves get: Victor Martinez
Indians get: Kris Medlin, Luis Valdez, Cole Rohrbough, Cody Johnson
Heres my logic with that package. Medlin is the equivalent of Carrasco from the Lee deal. Valdez could come in and be a set up guy right away. With Rohrbough and Johnson they are a few years away but so is the Knapp kid who is 19. So it is the braves version of the Phillies package. What you guys think?
David, why do you have to add… “appeared to be outside.” Everyone on the planet including Hohn knows it was outside. We respect your journalistic integrity. The guy is guilty, he’s not presumed anything. It was outside and off the plate, they blew a number of calls tonight including one that led to the first run. You can call a spade a spade here man.
July 29th, 200911:26 pm
I like it Braves fan lmh… Where’s he gonna play though? 1B? what do we do with Kotchman?
Have you ever played baseball?
There’s a huge difference in a 1-1 pitch and a 2-0 pitch. McCann’s probably taking 2-0 anyway, but still, there’s a huge difference between 2-1, and 1-1, in terms of what the hitter is looking for, what the pitcher is comfortable throwing in those counts, etc.. You give the pitcher a strike after he throws 5 straight balls, and suddenly he can find the plate again too. Mac gets on 1st, then the Braves have 2 runners on and 0 out, a totally different situation for Meyer who couldn’t find the plate.
Seriously, maybe you should at least watch some postseason baseball this year, and you’ll really see how the counts affect the batters, pitchers, managers, etc…because every pitch and each count is more magnified in the postseason.
Enter your comments hereMedlen should take KK’s spot in the rotation…..Trade KK for a BAT…ok
Any deal with Cleveland would start with Freeman and Medlen
July 29th, 200911:27 pm
So it is the braves version of the Phillies package.
July 29th, 2009
THIS JUST IN. . .
Pretty good A Bomb. I’ll give it to you. Not great but good.
I’m tough like that. But hey, it’s better than my Village People reference. Seriously, they should keep him in mind of one them leaves the group.
That’s getting old. But seriously… let’s get serious for a moment… that guy is unprofessional and an instigator and needs to be reprimanded. He’s an instigator, he looks for an arguement and confrontation.
He can go to hell. That’s right.
come on you all really fell for the “i think we have a chance at the wildcard” bit? When will you people ever learn? Why do yo punish yourself so? You all knew deep in your heart before the season began there was no chance, what makes you think so now. just look forward to next year and hope we can spoil somebodies season along the way
July 29th, 200911:28 pm
Cleveland is holding out for Buchholz from the Red Sox. We can’t match.
UNCBRave the only “bat” they would get for KK is a Louisville Slugger… No one wants KK because he is ineffective, might be injured, and just signed an $8 million dollar per year deal…
Now, don’t go talking about how Bobby is a players manager, cause you’ll upset the folks on here who know he is just a dumsheet!
You might end up making sense, and then you’ll tick off Robert. Then he’ll get baited and be thrown off the blog.
BAITED BY THE UMP
I have NEVER seen an umpire bait the manager, where the manager did NOT get tossed. When they start baiting, you know it’s all over for the manager at that point.
I liked that Bobby went back into the dugout and let him stew a bit. I hope that the Braves have some of this crap recorded for sound.
the more I think about that…..go ahead, tick him off.
July 29th, 200911:29 pm
Cleveland is holding out for Buchholz from the Red Sox. We can’t match.
No sense in buying anybody – they should sell or just hold.
July 29th, 200911:30 pm
Met Mike, seriously, why are you even here. Your franchise is the epitome of Dysfunctional. You know deep down you guys would love to have a guy like Chipper Jones.
July 29th, 200911:31 pm
With that proposed package you could then use Kotchman in a trade for a reliever. Why would it cost Freeman in the package for V-Mart but it didn’t cost the phillies one of there top prospects to get Lee? I’m just wondering. It might not be exactly like the phillies package but you can’t honestly say that it is dramatically different as far as equality?
I am sure you have seen the professionalism of this umpire, or should say lack there of. This is now the second time he has shown himself to be a completely horrible umpire, especially against the Braves. (First time being the last game in Boston) He has not only thrown Cox out tonight after walking over to the dugout expecting a confirtation but now he has thrown McCann out during the break, my guess with Bill starting the conversation with McCann, since I have never once seen McCann speak up. What is up with the umpires, especially Bill Hohn, and their consistent lack of professionalism? MLB definitely needs to look at this whole situation, especially since it is the same guy twice now.
July 29th, 200911:32 pm
lks will say it again. Chipper is the greatest switch hitter of his generation and an offensive force of unquestioned ability who has destroyed the Mets. He is also a Candy A$$ who was put on the DL by a batting cage and a bed in a 5 Star hotel. He is Bambi in a uniform.
So Wayne are you trying to say that it would be a bad thing if Robert gets thrown off the blog?
Now I know why Hohn doesn’t like the Braves. . .
If you put a Union uniform on him, he would start looking to knock off some Rebs.
Maybe he voted for Grant in 1872?
July 29th, 200911:35 pm
Phils gave up their #2, 3, 4, and 9 prospects for Lee…
Did you by chance talk to Chipper after the game? I realize he wasn’t a big factor in the final score, but I was just wondering if he had any comments about the infamous “fist-bump”, since he appeared to be the only player who saw it.
July 29th, 200911:36 pm
Phils gave up their Nos. 2, 3, 4, and 9 propects for Lee
Okay, I was trying to initiatiate a grandparent rememberence memorial here.
I don’t care about your freakin’ grandparents. Kidding, of course.
My grandfather actually corrected me recently about my spelling of his nickname via email. I thought it was “Daphey” like with a silent ‘H’ although I’m not sure why the ‘H’ would be silent. But he instructed me to change it to “Dahpey”.
I was like “I came up with the damn name, I’ll spell it any way I like you son of a bitch!”
Okay, so I didn’t say that.
Anyway, everybody needs to chill because we’re going to win tomorrow and we’ll sweep the Dodgers and this will be ancient history.
July 29th, 200911:37 pm
Quit teasing us with all your “good nights” and “goodbyes” and leave for real.
Il Cattivo: Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Wasn’t thinking when I typed that
July 29th, 200911:39 pm
The team I follow is beyond dysfunctional. The GM is a lunatic and team got old over night. Chipper has destroyed the Mets. Chipper has also been brutalized by a batting cage and a bed. Is that true? Has he also missed more games with “seemingly” minor injuries than any other premiere player of last 50 years. If he had Mickey Mantle’s injuries he would have been on the DL since 97.
I have been watching baseball since the early 60s. I have NEVER seen an ump walk over to the dugout and act that way, fooling around with the card. It was strange.
If the Indians want to “hold out” for buchholz if they want, but if you’re team is gonna be limited by payroll issues for a couple of years then wouldn’t you want a package that is beneficial in the short and long term by getting quanity over quality? Instead of one elite prospect?
RC, for once we didn’t talk to Chipper after a game. Wish I had now.
But you know what, if the catcher instigated the fist-bump, what’s the ump to do? I mean, I don’t know who did it, but I also don’t think it was a big deal if the catcher did and the ump just responded without thinking much. These guys (players and umps) do say “good job” and such after games. That happens. Just that after a game like this, the fist-bump on TV stands out.
It wasn’t mentioned by anyone else in clubhouse. I’ll check tomorrow to see if any reactions.
July 29th, 200911:42 pm
Chipper does seem to get pains when a really good starter is penciled in.
Good game going on in St. Louis.
Question for the Atlanta residents–what does the “air quality” thing up on the top measure? Yes, I know “air quality,” but anything specifically? Low numbers or high numbers good? This is weird, I know, but I’m curious…
July 29th, 200911:44 pm
DOB… are we to assume the Braves will stand pat? Even in light of the Giants deals of the last 3 days? Figured the Lee deal wouldnt affect us since the Phillies are running away anyway. But the Giants got Sanchez and Garko…
2 blown saves by the Dodgers in that one…1 in the 9th…and 1 now in the 11tth….game tied 2-2 with 2 on and 1 out for St. Louis.
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