1:53 pm July 28, 2009, by David O'Brien
Steve from OH
July 28th, 20095:39 pm
IMO, the real question in all this is: who would you rather have pitching more innings down the stretch–Hudson or KK? That’s who should start. I’d rather have Hudson. We’ll see what the FO will do.
Eric from MO
July 28th, 20095:41 pm
TBrown wasnt that when Chipper was out and we had other guys like Schafer, and KJ in his streak and GA was also struggling. It was a bad lineup but not because of Bobby. There wasnt enough good players to play. Which is not the manager’s fault.
Bobby said Hudson would make at least three more starts, and it sounds like it could be either late August or even after rosters are expanded Sept. 1, possibly….
Infante is taking BP, still having a little tenderness. Once he’s over that, he’ll go out on rehab assignment. Could be any day now….
Cox said O’Flaherty pitched with a heavily wrapped sprained ankle in Milwaukee, which is why he didn’t have good command Saturday when he walked three guys and was charged with two runs. But he again made a strong impression with his never-complain attitude, just took the ball and pitched, didn’t beg off because of the ankle….
I do realize that our problem is NOT the starting rotation but MIDDLE RELIEF, but here is your problem…TIM HUDSON IS NOT A RELIEF PITCHER.
NEVER HAS BEEN.
I guess you are not capable of getting that through your indoctrinated mind.
So why would you take an ACE starter and experiment by having him be a 7th or 8th inning guy out of the pen in the middle of a pennant chase and WC chase?
yeah it could work, or it could be a disaster. Either way you are making a big gamble with the staff’s ACE.
I know it bothers you to even say it or type the words…but repeat after me…when Huddy is healthy and pitching well…he is the Atlanta Braves NUMBER 1 starter. GET IT?
OK, moving on…
Wayne in Utah
Gotta run folks. Check in after the game…..
July 28th, 20095:42 pm
Shamus–I think a better phrase is “it will give our pitchers more rest” down the stretch. Sometimes more rest does not equal being as sharp as you normally are on normal rest.
Omar Minaya wins GM of the Year™ presented by Mad TV™.
piedmont ive been trying to respond to you but its not showing up
ill keep trying.
I think huddy to the pen is a good idea but i also think kk sucks. I would rather see medlen take his lumps and learn the way then see this overpaid so called rookie nibble the corners
July 28th, 20095:43 pm
There’s some people in our family who live out-of-state and really love Chick-Fil-A, but can’t get it… particularly Grandma’s sister in Arkansas. Wonder why some states don’t have it…
Shamus I’ve never understood the whole “Dwarf House” thing. Anybody got an explanation?
hey, wait a minute— what if Kawakami’s middle name is Karasoatu, then his initials would be…..
njbraves………….can you repeat your 5:25pm posting? I must be getting double vision or hallucinating because I could swear that I saw you “agree” with my take on how to use Tim Hudson upon his return.
Seriously, thank for the props. I just hope that Frank Wren, Bobby Cox, and Tim Hudson can come around to seeing it my way on this issue. Granted, a lot can happen between now and the time that Tim Hudson is activated. A trade, an injury or one of our starters suddenly having a “meltdown” can still happen in the next 3 or 4 weeks. My suggestion is with the assumption that neither of those things happen.
Also, if one of those things were to happen after Hudson was sent to the bullpen to pitch in short relief……….Kris Medlen would still be available to make a spot start.
Look, let’s be realistic. If the Braves are going to make a serious run the final 2 months of the season, we need to stay healthy. That is what I base my feeling that Tim Hudson should be used in short relief.
Eric from MO – Not sure why that post was directed to me??
Nova Scotia Steve
July 28th, 20095:44 pm
Pretty jacked up for this freakin ballgame to start.
Thanks for the info! Wow…wonder how O’Flaherty sprained his ankle…do you know?
Thanks for the latest updates. Braves need Omar Infante far more than they need Huddy right now. It’ll be good to get Omar back in a couple of weeks.
As far as Huddy’s return, I think he realizes no rush needed. The only thing, if he does wait until the roster’s expand in september, Braves won’t have to send anyone down for him, so it’ll be a good move.
I also believe braves wanna see him start a few games in september to see what “they have in him” so they can make an informed decision on what the future of the starting rotation will be in 2010.
Man, if we can find a way to ship off Kawakami somewhere to another team and have them take on his contract, it’s a no brainer. You keep both Vazquez and Huddy in the rotation for 2010.
You’re a real man, Deion!
wjones the postseason is a moot point, assuming we make it, Kawakami and Hudson are going to be in the pen. Unless they put Hanson in the pen because he is a rookie and to have another dominant pitcher in there. Kind of like the Rays did last year with Price and the Marlins with Dontrelle Willis in 03. Not saying I would want Hanson in the pen, just sayng its been done.
July 28th, 20095:45 pm
How do you bring up a prospective trade for a middle reliever to another team? “We’ve gotta couple prospects that suck out the azz, if you’ve gotta starter who sucks out the azz, maybe we can get something done.” Guess that’s how…
Nova Scotia Steve–
Me, too! Hope we’re not building ourselves up for a letdown!
Nova Scotia Steve, me too…been waiting all day…yesterday killed me!
July 28th, 2009
i love how we are wasting Kelly Johnson’s hot streak by letting him rot on the bench.
He lost his starting job.. What are we supposed to do, bench Prado and start KJ? He lost his job for a reason, and Prado earned his for a reason..
July 28th, 20095:46 pm
Braves need to continue this hot streak in Miami tonight! IF we can sweep and take of LA this wknd, hopefully the Phils can lose 2 or 3. Have the trade rumors died down?
OklahomaBrave: New Marlins stadium is designed with a retractable roof.
I’ll believe it when enter the place for a ballgame, and not until then (just from knowing how politics work down here, or at least having a pretty good idea). But they are obviously a lot closer to getting it done than ever before, and have actually begun work on the place. In Little Havana, site of old Orange Bowl.
I’ve got it, an appropriate title sponsor and stadium name: LoJack Park.
Eric- I agree that KK to the pen doesn’t make sense. I was simply making the point that it isn’t valid to argue where a pitcher should be placed based on a salary that he’s already being paid.
Sorry Tbrown, meant Dan in NJ. Sorry bout that.
July 28th, 20095:47 pm
dogsbrekky 4:59 pm … “awbright – preferably someone alive or is old Chuck still kicking ?”
I have no idea about Tanner’s health or aliveness. I thought that Tanner was the manager of the dreadful Braves before BC took over.
July 28th, 20095:48 pm
KJ had an impressive game in MIL..but can it continue? I still like Conrad better. This Weurtz guy in Oak…what are we thinking for trade bait? Please be Norton!!!
ok, its really not easy to figure out what 80% of tim hudson is, which is why this convo is a little silly, but i took tim’s average stats over 162 games and found what 80% of them was, and timmy went 13-7 with a 4.14 ERA in 27 starts, pitched 181 innings and had 123 K’s.
aside from the innings and K’s (a little skewd since its only in 27 starts) javy vazquez has only had a handful of season where he was better than 13-7 with a 4.17 ERA.
and tim redding has certainly never even sniffed that type of success in a season.
Dangit…my last post was in response to this:
New Marlins stadium is designed with a retractable roof.
July 28th, 20095:49 pm
I think it would be super to use Hudson in the 7th and 8th innings. But it remains to be seen if he could actually perform in setup. Some starters (Smoltz) can make the transition to the pen (setup or closing), and there are others who cannot.
Are we really ready to say that Hudson is ready for setup?
Big game tonight for the Bravos. I think we should approach this series much like that of the brewers one, and pretty much evry series here on out, take 2 out of 3. Win the series. We’re going to be facing some of their tough pitchers especially tomorrow. But if they keep doing what they’re doing they should be good. Hopefully the NY Muts can help us out with Colorado and the D-Backs behind my boy Danny Haren can cool off the Phils.
I wonder who this “under the radar” bullpen arm is. I would love to make a Wuertz trade. He’d be a quality 7th or even 8th inning guy for us that could help next year as well.
DOB: Bobby said Hudson would make at least three more starts, and it sounds like it could be either late August or even after rosters are expanded Sept. 1, possibly….
OK, that would be too late to go to a six-man. If it discombobulated the whole bunch, it might be too late to recover.
He was sure walking fine to me and the numerous other Braves fan in the area on Sunday when he rudely ignored all the Braves fans and looked at us like we were asking him to jump off a bridge.. He acted like he was a bigger superstar then Chipper and Chipper was the one that was signing autographs for the fans for 45 minutes and taking pictures with them.. When a fan yelled to him that he was no better then us, and that any of us fans could go out on the mound and walk 4 batters, that sprained his ego, not his ankle..
Politically Incorrect Dave O’brien is in the buidling.
McFann or JasoninFL…
Just wonderin…how in the heck do you get the bold on this blog? and italics etc…???
July 28th, 20095:50 pm
Eric from MO…….I’ve noticed. All I can say is to keep plugging away. It is amazing how wrong some of these naysayers have CONSISTENTLY been on a number of issues……….YET they still are relentless with their hateful postings.
However, they will sure use a day like Sunday, where Kelly Johnson has a great day at the plate…..(makes it easy for them to forget the error he committed), then all of a sudden it’s “you got owned, you are wrong, you dont know anything”, lol.
Willie Harris once had 6 hits in a game for the Braves. Would any of you consider him to be anything more than a utility player? One cant make it to the Majors if they dont have the ability to have a good game. However, what separates the good ones from most of them is that the good ones can consistently have good games. Kelly Johnson is simply too streaky to be depended on.
Also, one good game wont make me forget how much he SUCKED in the first half.
July 28th, 20095:51 pm
Eric from MO – No problem. Just makin’ sure I didn’t say something I don’t remember. Need to win this one tonight. Josh Johnson hasn’t allowed more than 3 earned runs in 17 consectutive starts.
July 28th, 20095:52 pm
If anyone goes to the ‘pen, It’s Hanson. His stuff is ‘pen ready. It’s too early for this talk though. Pitchers tend to get tender, injured, or sore this time of year. Bank on it.
“Man, if we can find a way to ship off Kawakami somewhere to another team and have them take on his contract, it’s a no brainer. You keep both Vazquez and Huddy in the rotation for 2010.”
I’d like to see that too, but Hudson is still going to be about $5 million more expensive than Kawakami. Perhaps ownership will give management leeway on the budget. But, then again, Wren might decide that the $5 million can be spent in other ways.
July 28th, 20095:53 pm
Paul Lentz: i agree, not sold on KJ’s performance. With KJ & Norton..might be able to get a decent reliever and perhaps a low level prospect.
Supes Kawakami isnt a relief pitcher either. Plus Hudson has been on record of saying he would be fine with coming out of the pen. Plus he is a year removed from TJ surgery. Plus he is not our ace, give me one year in which he has been here where he has been better than JJ, Vazquez, or Hanson have been this year. Plus his arm strength hasnt been built up to pitch many innings. If he is a starter he would be a 5 inning starter at best. Now me and Paul arent saying making him a setup the rest of his career or even next year, just rest of the season. It makes sense, try to get it through your thick skull.
Bay Area Steve
July 28th, 20095:54 pm
Yo MOUF (which I believe is the correct spelling),
any chance someone else used your computer? Sometimes my other personality gets me in trouble on the interwebs.
RHR, lazy, but not because of the drinking; I’ve found that I don’t need a reason.
And, seriously, anybody gotta link to DOB’s Hall Of Fame deal?
Relief Pitchers I would target:
Matt Thornton, White Sox (he’s the only lefty in their ‘pen, so maybe this is unlikely)
Mike Adams, San Diego
Jeremy Affeldt, San Fran
These 3 teams could also use a 2nd baseman…
Norton wouldn’t fetch a bag of Big League Chew in a trade, much less an actual player.
July 28th, 20095:55 pm
There is no way anyone would want Norton. He was good in his role last year but this year has been awful to say the least. How old is he anyway he looks about 57
The support for Bobby (from some) continues, even though no one has provided an iota of convincing evidence that Cox is a great manager.
Ummm lets see where to start
1 WS title
4 times manager of the year (’85,’91′04,’05)
His players universally love him and would run through a brick wall for him
Good enough? Is that better than whats on your managerial resume? Ill bet it is.
July 28th, 20095:56 pm
Can Hudson pitch setup? Hasn’t been tested yet.
July 28th, 20095:57 pm
It is possible that my brother was on. He uses it from time to time when he comes over and he is a……..Yankees fan I cant believe i still claim him as family
Glad you asked!
Here a chart that I made showing how to bold, italicize, link, etc…
And just for fun (and just in case), here’s how to do smilies!
I was talking to Diaz in the clubhouse and Yunel came over with a fistful of Cohibas that he gave to Matt. Pretty cool.
July 28th, 20095:58 pm
Shamus Thacker…….the problem with having a 6 man rotation is that it will take away 1 arm from the bullpen. Which arm would it be? You’d have less relievers. Even more stress on Soriano and Gonzalez.
Unless you would rather have one less bench player to accommodate the 6th starter? If so, who would you demote from the bench?
When you guys make “proposals”, you might want to post what you think should be done to “accommodate” the move?
Dan DC: Politically Incorrect Dave O’brien is in the buidling.
I said Dwarf House, does that qualify? Prolly shoulda said Midget House to make damn sure…
Vertically Challenged House just doesn’t have that ring to it….
If he did use it to do something bad does that mean i am gonna be banned forever or is there a time limit on such things???? I am going to burn his yankees crap next time i see him if he got me booted
July 28th, 20095:59 pm
Really, I’d rather have Brooks Conrad on the roster. Norton plays first – so what? Prado plays first, and so does Chipper, in a pinch. Infante could, if need be. Conrad played hard. THe Braves need guys like that.
“wjones…………..the Braves already have a guy fulfilling the mop up relief role. His name is Kris Medlen. I mean, do we really need to “upgrade” the mop up role?”
Let me explain again. Talking about the post season. You have Lowe, JJ, Vazquez, and Tommy as your 4 starters. KK goes into the long-middle slot. Wasn’t talking about the regular season. Hudson, if sufficiently recovered and effective, could be part of the big three of Huddy, Gonzo and MFIKY for end of game.
July 28th, 20096:00 pm
Steve from OH 5:54 pm … “Norton wouldn’t fetch a bag of Big League Chew in a trade, much less an actual player.”
I don’t know about that. There are some pretty awful players on some awful teams that might consider Norton an upgrade.
July 28th, 20096:01 pm
Cmon DOB throw me a frickin bone here. What do i do to get unbanned man jeez
Jeff R, our payroll shouldnt go up any with Hudson making 5 mil more next season than Kawakami. Considering that we are already paying Hudson’s contract this year. They just have to decide how much they want to tie up in the payroll.
July 28th, 20096:02 pm
I’m going to have a “smoke” (ha-ha) on the porch.
Wish Willie or Dylan would drop by….
“I was talking to Diaz in the clubhouse and Yunel came over with a fistfull of Cohibas that he gave to Matt. Pretty cool.”
Mmmmmmm… That sounds excellent. I bet Yuni’s got the hookup with some fine Cuban cigars.
July 28th, 20096:03 pm
I got a crazy suggestion for who the under the radar bullpen arm is: Joakim Soria.
Alright here me out before you bash this as being crazy and unreasonable. The royals suck they need as many good arms as they can get. So how about this for the trade:
Braves get: Joakim Soria
Royals get: Kris Medlin, Manny Acosta, Luis Valdez, Brandon Hicks
Medlin could pitch in there rotation right away, Acosta has some experience pitching in late innings, Valdez closed some in the minors, and Hicks would appeal as a near major league ready shortstop.
Shamus Prolly shoulda said Midget House to make damn sure…
Try “Little Person”.
Jose Ortegano to AA…dunno if it’s a spot start for the DH tonight or a permanent move now that Sullivan is back to hi-A.
I wish i would drop by
DOB — Three or four more ok starts for Hudson, as I look at the calendar, means he would be available to start/relieve for Atlanta between 15-20th of August. Assuming those starts go well, why wait until as late as Sept. 1 and go without him for those 2 weeks or so. Wouldn’t other teams kill for a few Hudson starts, even if they are 70-80 inning starts? Certainly want to protect his arm, but if he’s ready to go, seems to me Braves could put him to good use even if it’s in the pen.
July 28th, 20096:04 pm
JeffR what other ace than Smoltz how many aces have moved to pen when they are still relatively close to their prime. Only one I can think of is Eckersly. Maybe I am forgetting somebody who has struggled.
July 28th, 20096:06 pm
Supes……..While Tim Hudson has never been a closer type pitcher…..he does have the make-up to be a potential short relief type. He has good control, throws hard, can strike out hitters if need be, and has that mental “bulldog” mentality that a closer HAS to have.
John Smoltz had never been a closer until the Braves made him one. No one predicted at the time that he would become one of the most DOMINANT closers in the game.
Also, Tim Hudson would not be depended on to be the “main” guy. He would be there to help Soriano and Gonzalez close out games.
Mets blog gets Paul Lentz and and two low level blogging prospects. AJC blog gets Anders
Kind of reminiscent of the Francoeur for Church deal. Low level blogging prospects made me laugh pretty hard though
ok well Im about to leave work for the day. Once i get home my MOUF will be closed thanks to the ajc. But i will be with you guys in spirit and tomorrow i will be back to pleading my case until my innocent MOUF is set free.
wjones I dont think anyone is argueing against Kawakami in the pen in the postseason, again assuming we make it. Since we will only use 4 starters. We are argueing against the people who want Hudson starting over Kawakami during the season.
July 28th, 20096:07 pm
McFann-No Chik Fil A in Vermont or NH. That’s just not right.
Wayne in Utah — maybe this ‘mouf’ guy was one of mine, maybe. I think willieg and forrest gump too.
I even got banned once when I was at a friends house and logged on to his computer and then in the course of the night let my friends post comments. Yeah don’t ever do that. They said some stupid nasty stuff. Luckily it wasn’t my home computer and I sent DOB an email letting him know it wasn’t me so he didn’t ban the home one too. Of course they had been talking to the guy called “stinky” and you know how that went. That was when a bunch of people got banned all in one weekend. I think SJA got the axe then too. LOL
Oh well , live and learn.
July 28th, 20096:08 pm
Really? That’s wrong…I’m not as big a fan of it as most people I know, but still like it. They oughta have them everywhere for the people that do love it!
July 28th, 20096:09 pm
Supes………..again, I never said that Tim Hudson wasnt a #1 caliber starting pitcher.
However, why strengthen a starting rotation without addressing a weakness that we have in the bullpen? Sending Kawakami to the bullpen WILL NOT address that.
However, having Hudson pitch in short relief (it would only be for the rest of this season), would definitely address that need.
lol Thanks McFann
What is DOB email????
July 28th, 20096:10 pm
Seems to me that Derrick Lowe has bullpen experience!
July 28th, 20096:11 pm
July 28th, 20096:12 pm
What is the mood like in the clubhouse between Kelly and Prado. Do they ignore each other? Do they give each other dirty looks? Do they steal each others bath towels? Put Ben Gay on each others jock straps?
Is the mood between the 2 as dirty as it is between the fans here on the blog?
Thanks in advance…
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)
July 28th, 20096:13 pm
Yeah, the conversation is a little silly, but I appreciate the back-and-forth. It’s fun.
Here’s my final attempt. For his career, Javy’s ERA+ is 106, meaning he has been 6 percent better than his league’s average ERA. (I see that as a better measure than raw ERA, win/loss, etc.) Hudson’s is a much-more impressive 126. But 80 percent of 126 is 101, which would make Hudson a league-average pitcher.
Better than Tim Redding. I absolutely concede that point. Better than Vazquez? Debatable …
July 28th, 20096:14 pm
Kawakami going to long relief is not a bad idea, although as it has been stated that sure is an expensive long relief pitcher and I can’t see them doing that.
As a reliever? Well his high walk tendancies would scare me and I’m sure all of you as well. As a starter he has a 1.36 WHIP. I can handle some of that as a starter but wouldn’t it drive yall mad to put him into some situations and the strike zone dip and dive away from him which we have seen a lot this year? Just thinking about that idea.
You’re welcome, Nova Scotia Steve! Glad to be of service!
I like that for some reason.
What would you say is the percentage of interest the braves would have in trading for Carlos Pena?
I hear he is possibly available to help the rays clear payroll.
July 28th, 20096:15 pm
Maybe if all goes well with him returning from injury that instead of vesting his option the Braves offer a new contract extension, maybe a 2 or 3 year deal? Paying him less in 2010 to give more finacial flexibility for finding a RH impact bat. Hudson coming back from major arm surgery and is 34 and in this economy how much can a pitcher like him get contract wise?
civilized white trash
lets go mets
dang i hate to say that but we need frenchy and the muts to come through tonight
nova scotia steve, i was going to respond, but McFann is the expert on such things…
now, if you need an app written or something, let me know.
July 28th, 20096:16 pm
BravesfaninWis — you’re never going to get an autograph by insulting a player. I used to see fans like you all the time. You want everyone to stop right when you ask them and if you don’t get what you want you start in with the insults. Not every player has the time to do that. Sometimes when you have a bad night you don’t want to get too close to the fans cause some jerk will start running his mouth and say something stupid and then you just get a scene. I would say O’flaherty probably did the right thing by avoiding you. You obviously were ready with the insults pretty quick.
I was talking to Diaz in the clubhouse and Yunel came over with a fistfull of Cohibas that he gave to Matt. Pretty cool. DOB
Yes, but a more important question is were you able to obtain one? Or did he purposefully wave those in front of your face knowing you would drool over them.
McFann its the eyes…the guy looks like he’s been on a major bender for a month…or longer
McFann – Speaking of sandwiches I myself like BLOTS…most eat them BLT’s but I HAVE to add a sweet vidalia onion to the mix and hence the name BLOT.
July 28th, 20096:18 pm
“I was talking to Diaz in the clubhouse and Yunel came over with a fistfull of Cohibas that he gave to Matt. Pretty cool.” DOB
That’s just gross. For starters, why would Yunel be carrying testicles around with him, and why on earth would Matt WANT them. What’s that? Oh. Sorry. I though you said cohones.
July 28th, 20096:19 pm
Almost GAMMMMEEE TIMMMEEE
Did Cox get jealous that Diaz got some Cohibas, or did Yunel give some to Bobby as well. Was Bobby watching the exchange? Did Yunel purposely give Matty some cubanos in front of Bobby to make Bobby drool? Does Yunel put foreign stuff in Bobby’s cigars? Do Yunel and Bobby want to secretly rip out and eat each others hearts like is suggested on the blog?
I agree with Paul’s 6:09pm post regarding this. Not to mention we won’t be seeing Hudson until late Aug or as it was stated earlier Sept. callups. So in the mean time another reliable arm sure would be a nice addition in my mind to take away the abuse that our top three relief pitchers have been put through so far to date.
July 28th, 20096:20 pm
I prefer BLAT’s. Bacon, Lettuce, Avocado, and Turkey. Mmmmm……
Train Wreck Bystander
Hrm… how did they manage to sneak Cohibas into the country?
Escobar brings in Cohibas and Moylan brings in Vegemite. Hrm.
Someone in the PR department should tell Tattoo Pete that he’d be hella popular if he brought in Tim Tams instead.
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