Actually folks, just ask me, and I will splain it to you. Bobby is a very good HOF caliber players manager, who has been know to burn up a bullpen and make some “head-scratchin” tactical moves.
For the most part, go around the league and ask the players and other managers. I have NEVER heard anybody (except for some on this blog) who have questioned whether Bobby is a great manager or not. Perfect? Heck no! Top notch? Definitely.
(trust me folks, I have a very high IQ and scored 5000 on the SAT!)
carl crawford would actually be a great fit on this team…and its really not outrageous that the braves could end up with him…not this year, but maybe in the offseason.
Most managers are judged, at least in the manager of the year voting, by what their teams did versus their expectations. When have the Braves drastically underperformed expectations in the Cox era? Doesn’t that seem to suggest that at worst Cox is a decent manager and not a bad one?
…Another argument against the fringe Cox bashers, that is better than anything I’ve read or heard from their side.
N8 if they were constantly shifting guys from AA and AAA then the team would never gel. They would never come together. Some things go beyond stats. Those guys in the pen would never know their role and they would just have more pressure knowing if they messed up the next day they would be sent down. Which would be harder to succeed.
Tonight’s lineup for your 2009 World Series Champions:
1. Chris Coghlan
2. Emilio Bonifacio
3. Hanley Ramirez
4. Jorge Cantu
5. Jeremy Hermida
6. Dan Uggla
7. Cody Ross
8. John Baker
9. Ricky Nolasco
NeightAdd to that, Kotchman’s defense runs CIRCLES around…what Mac will ever have to offer behind the plate.
True, seein’ as how Kotchy has no errors and BMac has five. But you have to admit BMac’s defense is getting better, don’t you?
(Oh boy…last time I stood up real tall for his D, he made two errors in one game…) )
Besides, there’s so much more to catching than just fielding…But still, did you by any chance catch that play he made on Sunday? Very good play…guy bunted and BMac got the ball before it went foul, did a 360 spin, and nailed the guy! I’ll see if there’s a replay…
Also the article about him in this August’s ChopTalk is very good. Talks about his catching ability.
But yes, if you cann compare catching to playing first base, Kotchy is better.
Anybody that’s been paying attention, and has even the foggiest idea about baseball, knows that Kotchman is a net ++ on this team. He’s swinging a great bat and plays an even greater 1B. The only thing I wish the Braves could work on would be his ‘thing’ about the ’soft-toss’ back to the pitcher or whoever’s covering the bag…underhand, no problem, but when he lolly-pops the ball overhanded on a short throw he clearly is concerned that he’s gonna throw it away. Otherwise, we got a good one and need to stay with him.
Anybody notice that Boston released Mark Kotsay? Now that’s a guy that could contribute a lot more than Norton – of course, so can Kelly Johnson now – and that assumes that Kotsay’s back is sound.
It’s easy to say “if this reliever isn’t getting it done, get another”. We were saying “get Medlen up” early in the year. He can’t be any worse than what we have. Too often, the call-up IS worse than what we had before.
I am not going to excuse or explain away Bobby’s use of the pen. Often times, he goes for the win. Also, when a guy is going badly, he finds a way to get him back in the saddle quick.
As for Schafer, KJ and Frenchy; the manager can’t be blamed when he doesn’t have good alternatives. Gotta drop that one on the GM.
Wayne – I have to drive out on the dreaded Long Island Carpark (read Expressway) tonight. So if our 2 5 10 29 39 and mega number 23 come in and I have expired due to some NYer nimrod drongo driver, I have instructed my missus that a nice man from Utah will be calling/emailing to collect his half of the $60M.
Now, she is a native New Yorker and a Yankees fan (closet 86′ Mets fan I suspect as well from Queens), so if I am “plucking up daisies in heaven”, do NOT take her crap for not getting half of the loot as I have written your name on the back of said ticket along with mine.
NeightWhat kills me about the Kotchman bashers (due to him not hitting a ton of HR), is that those same people don’t realize that we get a lot more power from B-Mac and the catcher position, than most teams that have a power bat at 1B. So it’s a “wash”, right?
I’d say so…one’s great with the D, AVG with the stick, the other is great with stick, uh…AVG with the D.
Andrew in P-tang ~ “anyone got jair’s career numbers vs the fish?”
Looks like 2-1, ERA of 6.14 in 4 starts. Not so hot…He won one after giving up 5 runs in 6 innings, and he lost one after giving up only 2 runs in 6 innings.
No doubt Kotchman is an elite fielding first baseman. Certainly not the best, but darn near it. (due to possibly having a limited range)
Also, no doubt McCann is one of the two best catchers in baseball. (not going into that argument as to who’s the best, as it doesn’t matter).
Mac calls a VERY good game. Needs to work on his blocking balls that are off the plate, among other things. BUT, his bat makes up for a myriad of minor catching mistakes. Anybody that slams our catcher, should have their head examined (stating the truth, and not trying to suck up to McFann for my son’s sake either!!!)
nah, its really not worth bringing onto the new blog unless piedmont wants to continue. some silly idea that tim redding is only 20% worse than tim hudson or something.
The thing that kills me the most about Kotchman bashers is when they say he doesnt hit with runners on. Which is just a lie. He is batting over .300 with RISP. What more could you want?
Just to note that Pena is hitting .217 this year. That is not “slumping a bit.” That is plain awful. He’s turned into Dave Kingman. We’ve had two regulars hit like that this year, and both got sent to the minors. I realize he has 25 HR and will probably end up with 35 or so, but .217 means a whole lot of rallies killed. Just say no.
Were you asking about the Escobar missed-sign on the last Blog? (Thanks for the new one, Chief, BTW.) Uh…I don’t remember exactly what happened…but apparently the hit-and-run sign was on, but he took the pitch and Diory got thrown out at second. Bobby was pretty cheesed about it, but not really angry at Yunel…and Yunel wouldn’t answer any Q’s about it from the media. The next day, he went 3-4 with a homer, and has seemed to be pretty OK with Q’s since…
Id say we are in need of a veteran in the pen that knows what to do late in the game…….someone like remilger, alejandro peña or ohman (when they were here), not saying that those are the guys we need, but that type of veterans.
We need a true stolen base threat like Crawford and that would push mcclouth and pop down in the lineup. Maybe I have a mancrush on him because he was recruited ti run the option at Nebraska. Yes I’m a cornhusker fan in Oklahoma. Sucks to be me.
Imagine where the Marlins would be if they had stopped playing Bonifacio. Wes Helms is a better option, which tells us a lot about how horrible Bonifacio has been.
Some you guys seem to think bullpen management is some kind of exact science, LOL, when, in fact, it’s the biggest crapshoot of any tactic employed during a game. Relievers are infamous for inconsistency of performance, mainly because (for the most part) they just aren’t very good pitchers. And, unlike bloggers, managers don’t have a crystal ball and have no idea from one day to the next which relievers will be needed and the number of innings they will need to throw in any game.
All a manager can do is press the button that seems most likely to work, for the game being played at the time. Then, worry about the other stuff: try to get work for the relievers that need it, try to put the right relievers in the right leverage situations, try to space out the appearances, yada yada yada. Bubba, it just ain’t that easy.
Casey Kassum is a 5 star defensive 1st baseman who works the count when hitting and has more BB than Ks and is hitting spot on his career OPS (average). So he isnt Fred McGriff, but we have a + offensive SS, a hot 2nd baseman, a hof 3rd baseman, a career good hitting (slower than this 44 year old) LF, an excellent CF and a platoon RF that is ok.
Casey is consistent and is what he is
BTW _ We should all pay up for a 50 yard foot-race between Casey, Garret, McCann and old Hubbie.
Yeah, Kotchy range is somewhat limited…think that’s ’cause he’s not the fastest guy out there. But if he cann get to it, he cann field it!
Also, no doubt McCann is one of the two best catchers in baseball. (not going into that argument as to who’s the best, as it doesn’t matter).
It doesn’t…? Oh…I mean, no! Of course it doesn’t…
Mac calls a VERY good game. Needs to work on his blocking balls that are off the plate, among other things.
He calls a great game…sometimes our pitchers just don’t hit their spots. Of course, BMac’s not totally perfect, either…I’m still not sure why he called for Bennett to throw one right down the middle to A-Rod, but anyway…
Blocking pitches…yes, he does need to work on that a touch…but remember, Johnny Bench had 18 PB in 1968, and 14 the next year. Then he calmed way down until 1978, when he had 12. BMac’s career-high to this point is 7. (I’m in hot water now…if he gets a PB tonight…)
BUT, his bat makes up for a myriad of minor catching mistakes.
Right. Minor ones. How many plays at the plate have we had this year, anyway? Hey, but I’m mostly cool with that. I say, the fewer plays at the plate, the better. (Though sometimes I think GA has a chance to get some guys.)
stating the truth, and not trying to suck up to McFann …
Of course not…if you were trying to do that, you would have said he was the greatest catcher in baseball today, no argument.
dogsbrekkyPitchers (3 senior guys) love [McCann] = he is a good catcher
njbraves………..what role in the bullpen would you have Kawakami pitch in if he is demoted when Hudson returns? Also, who in the bullpen would get sent to Triple A (considering a roster move would have to be made to activate Tim Hudson)?
Would you send Medlen back to Triple A? If so, then basically you’ll rarely see Kawakami pitch because the starting pitching rarely gets knocked out early. Or what about Manny Acosta? If so, then Kawakami would have to be able to come in for an inning in either the 6th, 7th, or even 8th innings (depending on how often the other relievers have been used).
Kawakami isnt a short inning kind of guy. He is slow to the plate (which would be disastrous for a short relief pitcher). Kawakami walks a number a hitters (again disastrous). Also, Kawakami is the kind of pitch who tends to get hit early, then settle down to grind it out. However as a short reliever, a reliever cant afford to struggle early. He has to be able to come in and get it done IMMEDIATELY.
So knowing all that (unless you disagree with my assessment of Kawakami’s short relief abilities)……..how much would having Tim Hudson take Kawakami’s spot in the rotation really help? After all, would Hudson be expected to pitch more than 6 innings and give up less than 2-3 runs a game (which is what Kawakami has been doing since his struggles in April)?
i may get ridiculed pretty bad for this, but there is a 1st baseman who will be a free agent next year who plays really good defense as well, almost as good as kotchman and has the power weve been looking for from our first baseman. his name is adam laroche. im just saying hes out there.
Oklahomabrave, how would a “true stolen base threat” help significantly (unless he’s also a threat at the plate?) I wrote an article for Dugout Central about Rickey Henderson (shameless plug), in which I argued that Henderson’s true greatness at the plate was overshadowed by his stolen base total.
Henderson’s base-stealing only added a handful of runs to his teams’ totals. Think about this: When Henderson stole 130 bases in 1982 he also cost his team the equivalent of 14 scoreless innings by being caught 42 times. In a chapter of the Baseball Prospectus book Baseball Between the Numbers, entitled “What if Rickey Henderson Had Pete Incaviglia’s Legs?,” James Click writes that Henderson’s steals added only about two runs to the A’s total in 1982. In theory, if he had only been about as good as Pete Incaviglia on the bases throughout his career, he would have been worth about five fewer wins. Clearly his base running wasn’t what made him great.
Well, I posted this (or something similar) earlier, but it disappeared, so here again are my thoughts on the bullpen usage (FWIW). I believe that Bobby, who does use the bullpen heavily under normal circumstances, was a bit shellshocked going into the season with having to replace his entire starting rotation from last year, save JJ, who was young and Bobby wasn’t going to take chances with. After witnessing starter after starter go down last year, it had to be on his mind going into the season to not take a lot of chances with them. KK is historically brittle, JJ is young, Lowe isn’t getting any younger. And let’s face it, where is the staff value? In the rotation. Soriano hasn’t been used as heavily as the other relievers. Gonzo is older and in the last year of his contract, Moylan is a low-cost, “disposable” arm. EOF also low-cost, and Bobby apparently is trying to audition him for Gonzo’s role next year. I have noticed that Bobby has given Acosta, Medlen and Boone more “meaningful” outings lately, and I for one am glad he is. Of course, 80% of the blog will go nuclear, but many of those are the same who will scream at him for overusing the “big three”. Well, you can’t have it both ways.
I also had posted some about how years ago Bobby was using 11-man staffs when most of the managers were using 10-mans. Now it seems that while Bobby is using 12-man staffs, all the other managers are using at LEAST that many, and some have gone to 13-man staffs, which is just crazy! Someone is going to have to reverse the trend soon, or expand rosters. But like I said earlier, another topic for another day.
RHR, I know those names may not add up in a trade but, I think Crawford and his speed would deepen this lineup. I’m very worried about Gonzo and I believe Soriano is the definite target this offseason. I just hope he’s not just performing like this because it’s a contract year. Is Crawford a FA after the season? GO BRAVES!!!!
dogsbrekkySo he isnt Fred McGriff, but we have a + offensive SS, a hot 2nd baseman, a hof 3rd baseman, a career good hitting (slower than this 44 year old) LF, an excellent CF and a platoon RF that is ok.
DAP Im not going to ridicule you but I would rather have Casey. He has better BA and better OBP. LaRoche has better power. Defensively they are both good. Actually I think they are about equal as it gets, but LaRoche will probably cost more, plus will probably get a multi-year deal and Freeman should be up by the end of next season at least by the begining of 2011. I just think CK makes more sense.
I like Roachy too. He definitely has more power, if a tad bit less of an average potential. Problem is, we have someone almost as effective, for a lot less cash.
Smart move would be to hang w/ Kotchman until Freeman is ready or traded. (or if Johnson or Heyward are moved to first base)
Didn’t realize we’d had 30-homers in the past 25-games. Not bad at all!
I don’t understand the folks who give Kotch so much Hell. He’s not Fred McGriff with the bat, but he ain’t all that bad, and his defense is nothing less than spectacular.
Moylan is gonna finish this season on the DL at his current pace. Medlin should share a third of his load, at least. I’m really impressed with Medlin; seemingly more than some of you folks.
Where would we be if Prado had been inserted in the 2-hole much sooner, and frenchy had been yanked after the first month? I’ll just bet we wouldn’t be talking wildcard right now…
DOB, do you know how long the wait is till Listlessly Media can sell the Braves to Arthur? This penny-pinching crap is getting a little suckish.
YO DOB — It’s been a while since I have asked you any questions so I hope you have a minute to answer these for me.
What have you heard about the Braves talking with KC about Ron Mahay?? Heard he was available for a player to be named later. Not sure if he is what the Braves need, just thought that would be interesting since he’s been here before.
Also — I heard that KJ would still be on the market after deadline and could still be traded in August in a waiver deal. That would give him time to up his trade value if he continues to do well. What are your feelings on that, if any ??
One year ago tonight Charlie Morton stepped in to take Hudson’s slot in the rotation as the Braves were officially done with Smoltz, Glavine, Moylan, Hampton, Diaz, and Hudson all on the DL.
Bonifacio has been a big disappointment. No getting around that. Most of you will admit there’ve been disappointments on both teams. The Marlins have power, though. Did a great job out west sweeping the Padres and taking 2 out of 3 from the Dodgers who lead BOTH Leagues with a 626 winning %. Exciting match up this week with Braves & Marlins, tied as they are. With the Braves getting hot this past month, they’re looking good, but I wouldn’t underestimate the Marlins at all.
Hudson should not be relied upon to start this season. There’s a reason “they say” that TJ surgery requires 18 months of recovery and rehab. It’s a pretty good reason.
Hudson’s role, if any, should be in the bullpen pitching complete innings, not inheriting messes.
Shaun, I think Crawford has only been caught 8 out of 56 times this year and has 10 homeruns. That’s almost as may as Chipper and McCann. McClouth is a doubles machine and has good power. Think of the ground that could be covered in left field and center. Church/Diaz could probably sit down on the right field line. LOL!! I’m just reminde of how Reyes, Rollins, and Victorino have disrupted our pitchers in the past with their speed. Albeit our pitchers of the past were well below what we have now. I think Chuck James comes to mind.
Talent also costs more than proven veteran………we dont need mariano rivera or someone like that. Just a guy that can do the job, someone solid, not great though.
Gotta say it must suck for Bobby if he actually cared enough to read the tripe. The Braves lose, it’s all his fault, he’s terrible. The Braves play well, it is in spite of him and he’s still terrible. This merely exposes most of the arguments for and against as presupositional and the ensuing banter as meaningless and childish as Robot’s donkey theme.
I’m looking forward to tonight’s game. The whole team, especially Chip, is nice and rested and ready. Our relievers, too, got an especially good amount of rest.
wjones, I see nothing wrong with more pitchers and fewer hitters. I don’t think 13-man staffs are that crazy, especially in the American League. It obviously depends on the makeup of the team, but if you have some great hitters, how many more good hitters do you need rotting away on your bench. It’s more likely that you’ll use the extra pitchers than the extra hitters. Sure, pitching changes aren’t fun to watch but unfortunately they are decent strategy if a team has the right pitchers and pitching depth.
I really don’t think Oakland is going to want Kelly Johnson or Manny Acosta for Wuerth (sp?). They will be looking for a prospect(s).
Ashley
Keep playing like we have been, hope the Phillies DON’T get Halladay, hope the “old” Lidge returns, and hope their pitching returns to it’s pre-AllStar game levels.
I don’t see us adding anything significant, as I am not sure it will really help. The Phillies kinda control their own destiny.
If they do not falter, maybe we can slide into the WC slot, but the odds are still long on that one too.
I can’t believe so many people on here are willing to trade Schafer for just about anybody.
I co-sign that statement. Schafer is going to be a terrific center fielder. With him and McLouth at the top this team will give opponents a different element to contend with.
They say rihanna has been dating several mets players. They go on to say that she feels safe with them because unlike Chris Brown, they can’t beat anybody.
Kotchman is what he is.
And he hits No. 8 in the order (some games). I don’t have the time to look it up — I am an incredibly busy and important person after all — but how many No. 8 hitters in the national league have offensive numbers like Kotchman?
If he was hitting third, we’d all have a right to want more production. But what bottom-of-the-order hitters are more productive right now than he is?
If the Phils get Lee or Doc, I don’t see that we have a chance. It would be very unfortunate if Utley or Howard got their hand broke ala Infante. Maybe Bennett could be usefull afterall.
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Eric from MO
July 28th, 2009
2:46 pm
UNC Brave that is what I believe happened (your 2:32 post).
Roman Gal
July 28th, 2009
2:47 pm
See what you made me do, RG?
I see what my very presence does to you. You can’t even concentrate when I’m around, can you?
Andrew in P-tang
July 28th, 2009
2:48 pm
anyone got jair’s career numbers vs the fish?
Wayne in Utah
July 28th, 2009
2:48 pm
Actually folks, just ask me, and I will splain it to you. Bobby is a very good HOF caliber players manager, who has been know to burn up a bullpen and make some “head-scratchin” tactical moves.
For the most part, go around the league and ask the players and other managers. I have NEVER heard anybody (except for some on this blog) who have questioned whether Bobby is a great manager or not. Perfect? Heck no! Top notch? Definitely.
(trust me folks, I have a very high IQ and scored 5000 on the SAT!)
DAP
July 28th, 2009
2:49 pm
carl crawford would actually be a great fit on this team…and its really not outrageous that the braves could end up with him…not this year, but maybe in the offseason.
Andrew in P-tang
July 28th, 2009
2:50 pm
might the twins want kelly johnson?
boutTHATmouf
July 28th, 2009
2:50 pm
DOB when you block someone is it forever. Or is there a term to the sentence?
Shaun
July 28th, 2009
2:51 pm
Most managers are judged, at least in the manager of the year voting, by what their teams did versus their expectations. When have the Braves drastically underperformed expectations in the Cox era? Doesn’t that seem to suggest that at worst Cox is a decent manager and not a bad one?
…Another argument against the fringe Cox bashers, that is better than anything I’ve read or heard from their side.
Andrew in P-tang
July 28th, 2009
2:51 pm
come on DOB let him back on..he misses u
Barry (last name not Bonds)
July 28th, 2009
2:51 pm
DOB,
When will Greg Norton be sent down, released, fired, etc? The Braves can pay me $40,000 a year and I CAN HIT .122. What a joke!
Eric from MO
July 28th, 2009
2:52 pm
N8 if they were constantly shifting guys from AA and AAA then the team would never gel. They would never come together. Some things go beyond stats. Those guys in the pen would never know their role and they would just have more pressure knowing if they messed up the next day they would be sent down. Which would be harder to succeed.
LKS
July 28th, 2009
2:53 pm
Fredi Gonzalez-that would be my pick to manage the braves.
Fish Bisch
July 28th, 2009
2:53 pm
Tonight’s lineup for your 2009 World Series Champions:
1. Chris Coghlan
2. Emilio Bonifacio
3. Hanley Ramirez
4. Jorge Cantu
5. Jeremy Hermida
6. Dan Uggla
7. Cody Ross
8. John Baker
9. Ricky Nolasco
McFann ;Ô;
July 28th, 2009
2:53 pm
Neight Add to that, Kotchman’s defense runs CIRCLES around…what Mac will ever have to offer behind the plate.
True, seein’ as how Kotchy has no errors and BMac has five. But you have to admit BMac’s defense is getting better, don’t you?
(Oh boy…last time I stood up real tall for his D, he made two errors in one game…)
)
Besides, there’s so much more to catching than just fielding…But still, did you by any chance catch that play he made on Sunday? Very good play…guy bunted and BMac got the ball before it went foul, did a 360 spin, and nailed the guy! I’ll see if there’s a replay…
Also the article about him in this August’s ChopTalk is very good. Talks about his catching ability.
But yes, if you cann compare catching to playing first base, Kotchy is better.
DirtyDawg
July 28th, 2009
2:54 pm
Anybody that’s been paying attention, and has even the foggiest idea about baseball, knows that Kotchman is a net ++ on this team. He’s swinging a great bat and plays an even greater 1B. The only thing I wish the Braves could work on would be his ‘thing’ about the ’soft-toss’ back to the pitcher or whoever’s covering the bag…underhand, no problem, but when he lolly-pops the ball overhanded on a short throw he clearly is concerned that he’s gonna throw it away. Otherwise, we got a good one and need to stay with him.
Anybody notice that Boston released Mark Kotsay? Now that’s a guy that could contribute a lot more than Norton – of course, so can Kelly Johnson now – and that assumes that Kotsay’s back is sound.
Wayne in Utah
July 28th, 2009
2:54 pm
N8
It’s easy to say “if this reliever isn’t getting it done, get another”. We were saying “get Medlen up” early in the year. He can’t be any worse than what we have. Too often, the call-up IS worse than what we had before.
I am not going to excuse or explain away Bobby’s use of the pen. Often times, he goes for the win. Also, when a guy is going badly, he finds a way to get him back in the saddle quick.
As for Schafer, KJ and Frenchy; the manager can’t be blamed when he doesn’t have good alternatives. Gotta drop that one on the GM.
chc4
July 28th, 2009
2:54 pm
Bonifacio has been a bust since a hot start.
ncscoots
July 28th, 2009
2:55 pm
And how does Bonifacio still have a job, exactly?
Doc Holiday
July 28th, 2009
2:55 pm
Nova Scotia Steve,
No need to put the finger on the wound.
dogsbrekky
July 28th, 2009
2:55 pm
Wayne – I have to drive out on the dreaded Long Island Carpark (read Expressway) tonight. So if our 2 5 10 29 39 and mega number 23 come in and I have expired due to some NYer nimrod drongo driver, I have instructed my missus that a nice man from Utah will be calling/emailing to collect his half of the $60M.
Now, she is a native New Yorker and a Yankees fan (closet 86′ Mets fan I suspect as well from Queens), so if I am “plucking up daisies in heaven”, do NOT take her crap for not getting half of the loot as I have written your name on the back of said ticket along with mine.
My email is shugieny@aol.com in case said numbers come in.
Andrew in P-tang
July 28th, 2009
2:57 pm
all you have to do is throw Bonifacio the heat..he cant hit your fastball
Nick
July 28th, 2009
2:58 pm
ROFL at the idea that Chris Coghlan and Emilio Bonifacio could hit 1-2 for a WS team… as impressive as those .250 BAs are.
McFann ;Ô;
July 28th, 2009
2:59 pm
Neight What kills me about the Kotchman bashers (due to him not hitting a ton of HR), is that those same people don’t realize that we get a lot more power from B-Mac and the catcher position, than most teams that have a power bat at 1B. So it’s a “wash”, right?
I’d say so…one’s great with the D, AVG with the stick, the other is great with stick, uh…AVG with the D.
Shaun
July 28th, 2009
2:59 pm
Why do we assume that the Braves are in the market for a reliever because of overuse?
Could be they are trying to add a reliever because the Braves only have two great arms, one pretty good one and a few more okay ones in their bullpen.
Could it be they are just trying to upgrade and that this isn’t all about Bobby Cox?
Daslied
July 28th, 2009
2:59 pm
Andrew in P-tang ~ “anyone got jair’s career numbers vs the fish?”
Looks like 2-1, ERA of 6.14 in 4 starts. Not so hot…He won one after giving up 5 runs in 6 innings, and he lost one after giving up only 2 runs in 6 innings.
Wayne in Utah
July 28th, 2009
3:00 pm
McFann
No doubt Kotchman is an elite fielding first baseman. Certainly not the best, but darn near it. (due to possibly having a limited range)
Also, no doubt McCann is one of the two best catchers in baseball. (not going into that argument as to who’s the best, as it doesn’t matter).
Mac calls a VERY good game. Needs to work on his blocking balls that are off the plate, among other things. BUT, his bat makes up for a myriad of minor catching mistakes. Anybody that slams our catcher, should have their head examined (stating the truth, and not trying to suck up to McFann for my son’s sake either!!!)
dogsbrekky
July 28th, 2009
3:00 pm
McCann calls a good game and his pitchers speak very highly of him.
Pitchers (3 senior guys) love him
= he is a good catcher
DAP
July 28th, 2009
3:00 pm
steve from oh
nah, its really not worth bringing onto the new blog unless piedmont wants to continue. some silly idea that tim redding is only 20% worse than tim hudson or something.
Eric from MO
July 28th, 2009
3:00 pm
The thing that kills me the most about Kotchman bashers is when they say he doesnt hit with runners on. Which is just a lie. He is batting over .300 with RISP. What more could you want?
hoho
July 28th, 2009
3:01 pm
Oops…
meant I’M gonna hear about this
Mekons
July 28th, 2009
3:01 pm
Just to note that Pena is hitting .217 this year. That is not “slumping a bit.” That is plain awful. He’s turned into Dave Kingman. We’ve had two regulars hit like that this year, and both got sent to the minors. I realize he has 25 HR and will probably end up with 35 or so, but .217 means a whole lot of rallies killed. Just say no.
AndyC
July 28th, 2009
3:01 pm
RHR
I don’t hate Kotchman. I am sort of indifferent to him. He really is not an impact player offensively so he just doesn’t leave an impression. Sorry!
Oklahomabrave
July 28th, 2009
3:01 pm
Braves get: Crawford and Dan wheele
rays get: Gonzalez, ga, and medlen
Fish Bisch
July 28th, 2009
3:01 pm
Coghlan is underrated and Bonifacio is going to develop into a five tool type player.
McFann ;Ô;
July 28th, 2009
3:02 pm
Doc H.–
Were you asking about the Escobar missed-sign on the last Blog? (Thanks for the new one, Chief, BTW.) Uh…I don’t remember exactly what happened…but apparently the hit-and-run sign was on, but he took the pitch and Diory got thrown out at second. Bobby was pretty cheesed about it, but not really angry at Yunel…and Yunel wouldn’t answer any Q’s about it from the media. The next day, he went 3-4 with a homer, and has seemed to be pretty OK with Q’s since…
Don’t know that that helps…
Wayne in Utah
July 28th, 2009
3:02 pm
dogsbrekky
Win or not, your top notch in my book! And a hoot no less.
If you and the missus every get out this way, we will need to connect for shore!
Fish Bisch
July 28th, 2009
3:03 pm
where’s the closet fish fan to back this up? I’m not lying when I say they will take the NL pennant.
Doc Holiday
July 28th, 2009
3:04 pm
Shaun,
Id say we are in need of a veteran in the pen that knows what to do late in the game…….someone like remilger, alejandro peña or ohman (when they were here), not saying that those are the guys we need, but that type of veterans.
RHR
July 28th, 2009
3:04 pm
Braves get: Crawford and Dan wheele
rays get: Gonzalez, ga, and medlen
WTF? No.
Oklahomabrave
July 28th, 2009
3:06 pm
We need a true stolen base threat like Crawford and that would push mcclouth and pop down in the lineup. Maybe I have a mancrush on him because he was recruited ti run the option at Nebraska. Yes I’m a cornhusker fan in Oklahoma. Sucks to be me.
Doc Holiday
July 28th, 2009
3:06 pm
McFann,
Wayne in Utah explained the scene to me, but your posts are always helpful. Thanks,
Shaun
July 28th, 2009
3:07 pm
Imagine where the Marlins would be if they had stopped playing Bonifacio. Wes Helms is a better option, which tells us a lot about how horrible Bonifacio has been.
RHR
July 28th, 2009
3:07 pm
Yes I’m a cornhusker fan in Oklahoma. Sucks to be me.
Well at least you’re a Braves fan…
ncscoots
July 28th, 2009
3:08 pm
Some you guys seem to think bullpen management is some kind of exact science, LOL, when, in fact, it’s the biggest crapshoot of any tactic employed during a game. Relievers are infamous for inconsistency of performance, mainly because (for the most part) they just aren’t very good pitchers. And, unlike bloggers, managers don’t have a crystal ball and have no idea from one day to the next which relievers will be needed and the number of innings they will need to throw in any game.
All a manager can do is press the button that seems most likely to work, for the game being played at the time. Then, worry about the other stuff: try to get work for the relievers that need it, try to put the right relievers in the right leverage situations, try to space out the appearances, yada yada yada. Bubba, it just ain’t that easy.
dogsbrekky
July 28th, 2009
3:08 pm
Casey Kassum is a 5 star defensive 1st baseman who works the count when hitting and has more BB than Ks and is hitting spot on his career OPS (average). So he isnt Fred McGriff, but we have a + offensive SS, a hot 2nd baseman, a hof 3rd baseman, a career good hitting (slower than this 44 year old) LF, an excellent CF and a platoon RF that is ok.
Casey is consistent and is what he is
BTW _ We should all pay up for a 50 yard foot-race between Casey, Garret, McCann and old Hubbie.
Gimme $100 on old Hubbie
Brandon O
July 28th, 2009
3:11 pm
Fisch Bitch you idiot.
You don’t devlop into five tool player. A player would have Five tools.
The national league just figured out hot to pitch to Bonacrapoo.
chc4
July 28th, 2009
3:11 pm
Bonifacio will be a 5 tool player??? I guess Emilio’s garden weasel, power drill, socket wrench and pliers count for 4 of those 5.
Eric from MO
July 28th, 2009
3:11 pm
Um…isnt Casey Kassum a dj?
N8
July 28th, 2009
3:12 pm
Shaun you sir are an idiot
McFann ;Ô;
July 28th, 2009
3:12 pm
Wayne–
Yeah, Kotchy range is somewhat limited…think that’s ’cause he’s not the fastest guy out there. But if he cann get to it, he cann field it!
Also, no doubt McCann is one of the two best catchers in baseball. (not going into that argument as to who’s the best, as it doesn’t matter).
It doesn’t…? Oh…I mean, no! Of course it doesn’t…
Mac calls a VERY good game. Needs to work on his blocking balls that are off the plate, among other things.
He calls a great game…sometimes our pitchers just don’t hit their spots. Of course, BMac’s not totally perfect, either…I’m still not sure why he called for Bennett to throw one right down the middle to A-Rod, but anyway…
Blocking pitches…yes, he does need to work on that a touch…but remember, Johnny Bench had 18 PB in 1968, and 14 the next year. Then he calmed way down until 1978, when he had 12. BMac’s career-high to this point is 7.
(I’m in hot water now…if he gets a PB tonight…)
BUT, his bat makes up for a myriad of minor catching mistakes.
Right. Minor ones. How many plays at the plate have we had this year, anyway? Hey, but I’m mostly cool with that. I say, the fewer plays at the plate, the better. (Though sometimes I think GA has a chance to get some guys.)
stating the truth, and not trying to suck up to McFann …
Of course not…if you were trying to do that, you would have said he was the greatest catcher in baseball today, no argument.
dogsbrekky Pitchers (3 senior guys) love [McCann] = he is a good catcher
Yep! That’s the truth!
Paul Lentz
July 28th, 2009
3:12 pm
njbraves………..what role in the bullpen would you have Kawakami pitch in if he is demoted when Hudson returns? Also, who in the bullpen would get sent to Triple A (considering a roster move would have to be made to activate Tim Hudson)?
Would you send Medlen back to Triple A? If so, then basically you’ll rarely see Kawakami pitch because the starting pitching rarely gets knocked out early. Or what about Manny Acosta? If so, then Kawakami would have to be able to come in for an inning in either the 6th, 7th, or even 8th innings (depending on how often the other relievers have been used).
Kawakami isnt a short inning kind of guy. He is slow to the plate (which would be disastrous for a short relief pitcher). Kawakami walks a number a hitters (again disastrous). Also, Kawakami is the kind of pitch who tends to get hit early, then settle down to grind it out. However as a short reliever, a reliever cant afford to struggle early. He has to be able to come in and get it done IMMEDIATELY.
So knowing all that (unless you disagree with my assessment of Kawakami’s short relief abilities)……..how much would having Tim Hudson take Kawakami’s spot in the rotation really help? After all, would Hudson be expected to pitch more than 6 innings and give up less than 2-3 runs a game (which is what Kawakami has been doing since his struggles in April)?
DAP
July 28th, 2009
3:12 pm
i may get ridiculed pretty bad for this, but there is a 1st baseman who will be a free agent next year who plays really good defense as well, almost as good as kotchman and has the power weve been looking for from our first baseman. his name is adam laroche. im just saying hes out there.
Shaun
July 28th, 2009
3:12 pm
Doc Holiday, talent trumps the “proven veteran.”
Oklahomabrave, how would a “true stolen base threat” help significantly (unless he’s also a threat at the plate?) I wrote an article for Dugout Central about Rickey Henderson (shameless plug), in which I argued that Henderson’s true greatness at the plate was overshadowed by his stolen base total.
Henderson’s base-stealing only added a handful of runs to his teams’ totals. Think about this: When Henderson stole 130 bases in 1982 he also cost his team the equivalent of 14 scoreless innings by being caught 42 times. In a chapter of the Baseball Prospectus book Baseball Between the Numbers, entitled “What if Rickey Henderson Had Pete Incaviglia’s Legs?,” James Click writes that Henderson’s steals added only about two runs to the A’s total in 1982. In theory, if he had only been about as good as Pete Incaviglia on the bases throughout his career, he would have been worth about five fewer wins. Clearly his base running wasn’t what made him great.
wjones
July 28th, 2009
3:13 pm
Well, I posted this (or something similar) earlier, but it disappeared, so here again are my thoughts on the bullpen usage (FWIW). I believe that Bobby, who does use the bullpen heavily under normal circumstances, was a bit shellshocked going into the season with having to replace his entire starting rotation from last year, save JJ, who was young and Bobby wasn’t going to take chances with. After witnessing starter after starter go down last year, it had to be on his mind going into the season to not take a lot of chances with them. KK is historically brittle, JJ is young, Lowe isn’t getting any younger. And let’s face it, where is the staff value? In the rotation. Soriano hasn’t been used as heavily as the other relievers. Gonzo is older and in the last year of his contract, Moylan is a low-cost, “disposable” arm. EOF also low-cost, and Bobby apparently is trying to audition him for Gonzo’s role next year. I have noticed that Bobby has given Acosta, Medlen and Boone more “meaningful” outings lately, and I for one am glad he is. Of course, 80% of the blog will go nuclear, but many of those are the same who will scream at him for overusing the “big three”. Well, you can’t have it both ways.
I also had posted some about how years ago Bobby was using 11-man staffs when most of the managers were using 10-mans. Now it seems that while Bobby is using 12-man staffs, all the other managers are using at LEAST that many, and some have gone to 13-man staffs, which is just crazy! Someone is going to have to reverse the trend soon, or expand rosters. But like I said earlier, another topic for another day.
McFann ;Ô;
July 28th, 2009
3:14 pm
Doc H.–
OK, I figured he prob’ly did…but I didn’t totally feel like going through posts.
Lazy alert…there weren’t that many posts to go through…
but your posts are always helpful. Thanks.
You’re welcome…and thank you.
OklahomaBrave
July 28th, 2009
3:15 pm
RHR, I know those names may not add up in a trade but, I think Crawford and his speed would deepen this lineup. I’m very worried about Gonzo and I believe Soriano is the definite target this offseason. I just hope he’s not just performing like this because it’s a contract year. Is Crawford a FA after the season? GO BRAVES!!!!
rtrafford
July 28th, 2009
3:16 pm
Key for the Braves in regard to Soriano…use him wisely, keep him sharp, have him ready for the September run and post season, if there is one.
McFann ;Ô;
July 28th, 2009
3:16 pm
dogsbrekky So he isnt Fred McGriff, but we have a + offensive SS, a hot 2nd baseman, a hof 3rd baseman, a career good hitting (slower than this 44 year old) LF, an excellent CF and a platoon RF that is ok.
You left out a position…
boutTHATmouf
July 28th, 2009
3:16 pm
oh woe is me dob trying to shut my mouf
Ashley
July 28th, 2009
3:17 pm
How can we catch the Phillies? I’m open to suggestions.
Eric from MO
July 28th, 2009
3:18 pm
DAP Im not going to ridicule you but I would rather have Casey. He has better BA and better OBP. LaRoche has better power. Defensively they are both good. Actually I think they are about equal as it gets, but LaRoche will probably cost more, plus will probably get a multi-year deal and Freeman should be up by the end of next season at least by the begining of 2011. I just think CK makes more sense.
Wayne in Utah
July 28th, 2009
3:18 pm
DAP
I like Roachy too. He definitely has more power, if a tad bit less of an average potential. Problem is, we have someone almost as effective, for a lot less cash.
Smart move would be to hang w/ Kotchman until Freeman is ready or traded. (or if Johnson or Heyward are moved to first base)
dogsbrekky
July 28th, 2009
3:19 pm
McFann – yes, you took the bait’
that juicy little worm dangled so deliciously on that ol’ hook
nh miss !
Shamus Thacker
July 28th, 2009
3:19 pm
Didn’t realize we’d had 30-homers in the past 25-games. Not bad at all!
I don’t understand the folks who give Kotch so much Hell. He’s not Fred McGriff with the bat, but he ain’t all that bad, and his defense is nothing less than spectacular.
Moylan is gonna finish this season on the DL at his current pace. Medlin should share a third of his load, at least. I’m really impressed with Medlin; seemingly more than some of you folks.
Where would we be if Prado had been inserted in the 2-hole much sooner, and frenchy had been yanked after the first month? I’ll just bet we wouldn’t be talking wildcard right now…
DOB, do you know how long the wait is till Listlessly Media can sell the Braves to Arthur? This penny-pinching crap is getting a little suckish.
Capt Caveman
July 28th, 2009
3:19 pm
YO DOB — It’s been a while since I have asked you any questions so I hope you have a minute to answer these for me.
What have you heard about the Braves talking with KC about Ron Mahay?? Heard he was available for a player to be named later. Not sure if he is what the Braves need, just thought that would be interesting since he’s been here before.
Also — I heard that KJ would still be on the market after deadline and could still be traded in August in a waiver deal. That would give him time to up his trade value if he continues to do well. What are your feelings on that, if any ??
rtrafford
July 28th, 2009
3:19 pm
DOB, another anniversary for you to note:
One year ago tonight Charlie Morton stepped in to take Hudson’s slot in the rotation as the Braves were officially done with Smoltz, Glavine, Moylan, Hampton, Diaz, and Hudson all on the DL.
What a difference a year (and a Wren) make…
Andrew in P-tang
July 28th, 2009
3:19 pm
acosta and kelly for wuertz from oakland
AustinBrave
July 28th, 2009
3:20 pm
OklahomaBrave- I agree with you. I really like Carl Crawford he would put a lot of pressure on other teams.
Closeted Fish Fan
July 28th, 2009
3:20 pm
Bonifacio has been a big disappointment. No getting around that. Most of you will admit there’ve been disappointments on both teams. The Marlins have power, though. Did a great job out west sweeping the Padres and taking 2 out of 3 from the Dodgers who lead BOTH Leagues with a 626 winning %. Exciting match up this week with Braves & Marlins, tied as they are. With the Braves getting hot this past month, they’re looking good, but I wouldn’t underestimate the Marlins at all.
rtrafford
July 28th, 2009
3:21 pm
Hudson should not be relied upon to start this season. There’s a reason “they say” that TJ surgery requires 18 months of recovery and rehab. It’s a pretty good reason.
Hudson’s role, if any, should be in the bullpen pitching complete innings, not inheriting messes.
Original Jon
July 28th, 2009
3:22 pm
Who the hell is dumb enough to think spelling the word mouth this way ‘mouf’, is in any way acceptable English?
OklahomaBrave
July 28th, 2009
3:23 pm
Shaun, I think Crawford has only been caught 8 out of 56 times this year and has 10 homeruns. That’s almost as may as Chipper and McCann. McClouth is a doubles machine and has good power. Think of the ground that could be covered in left field and center. Church/Diaz could probably sit down on the right field line. LOL!! I’m just reminde of how Reyes, Rollins, and Victorino have disrupted our pitchers in the past with their speed. Albeit our pitchers of the past were well below what we have now. I think Chuck James comes to mind.
Nick
July 28th, 2009
3:23 pm
acosta and kelly for wuertz from oakland
No
Doc Holiday
July 28th, 2009
3:23 pm
Shaun,
Talent also costs more than proven veteran………we dont need mariano rivera or someone like that. Just a guy that can do the job, someone solid, not great though.
rtrafford
July 28th, 2009
3:23 pm
How to catch the Philth? A team we trail with 60 games to be played, 9 of which are head to head with a team we’ve beaten 7 out of 9 thus far?
I don’t know…but I’m sure there must be a way…
Keep in mind that on September 12, 2007 the Philth trailed the Mets by 7 games and won the division. Stranger things………..
TennesseePaul
July 28th, 2009
3:24 pm
Gotta say it must suck for Bobby if he actually cared enough to read the tripe. The Braves lose, it’s all his fault, he’s terrible. The Braves play well, it is in spite of him and he’s still terrible. This merely exposes most of the arguments for and against as presupositional and the ensuing banter as meaningless and childish as Robot’s donkey theme.
ghostwriter
July 28th, 2009
3:25 pm
I’m looking forward to tonight’s game. The whole team, especially Chip, is nice and rested and ready. Our relievers, too, got an especially good amount of rest.
Shamus Thacker
July 28th, 2009
3:26 pm
“”Bonifacio has been a big disappointment.”"
To Amy Fisher or his wife?
boutTHATmouf
July 28th, 2009
3:26 pm
excuse me Original Jon. I thought this was a laid back kind of blog. I know how to spell mouth trust me. It is a joke between me and some buddies.
boutTHATmouf???????
Shaun
July 28th, 2009
3:26 pm
wjones, I see nothing wrong with more pitchers and fewer hitters. I don’t think 13-man staffs are that crazy, especially in the American League. It obviously depends on the makeup of the team, but if you have some great hitters, how many more good hitters do you need rotting away on your bench. It’s more likely that you’ll use the extra pitchers than the extra hitters. Sure, pitching changes aren’t fun to watch but unfortunately they are decent strategy if a team has the right pitchers and pitching depth.
RHR
July 28th, 2009
3:27 pm
lol Shamus lol
Keep in mind that on September 12, 2007 the Philth trailed the Mets by 7 games and won the division.
Oh I would be so much more confident if it were the Mets we were chasing…
OklahomaBrave
July 28th, 2009
3:27 pm
Remember that Fookie will be in attendance this weekend. All that attend please do me the favor of booing that SOB!
chc4
July 28th, 2009
3:28 pm
Weather in Miami looks iffy tonight. We do not need JJ to get thru 2 innings then have a 90 minute delay.
Wayne in Utah
July 28th, 2009
3:28 pm
I really don’t think Oakland is going to want Kelly Johnson or Manny Acosta for Wuerth (sp?). They will be looking for a prospect(s).
Ashley
Keep playing like we have been, hope the Phillies DON’T get Halladay, hope the “old” Lidge returns, and hope their pitching returns to it’s pre-AllStar game levels.
I don’t see us adding anything significant, as I am not sure it will really help. The Phillies kinda control their own destiny.
If they do not falter, maybe we can slide into the WC slot, but the odds are still long on that one too.
TennesseePaul
July 28th, 2009
3:28 pm
“Clearly his base running wasn’t what made him great.”
Clearly “greatness” is being redefined and focused on a different part of a man’s game for the sake of the argument.
boutTHATmouf
July 28th, 2009
3:28 pm
But I am glad that it got your attention and you felt the need to comment on it.
boutTHATmouf?????
The Grouch
July 28th, 2009
3:28 pm
Original Jon…… When was the last time you got laid????
rtrafford
July 28th, 2009
3:29 pm
well, considering how many games we play head to head as well as against those Mets and the Nots down the stretch…again, anything is possible.
Lamar Banks
July 28th, 2009
3:29 pm
Roman Gal
I can’t believe so many people on here are willing to trade Schafer for just about anybody.
I co-sign that statement. Schafer is going to be a terrific center fielder. With him and McLouth at the top this team will give opponents a different element to contend with.
Shamus Thacker
July 28th, 2009
3:29 pm
“”Who the hell is dumb enough to think spelling the word mouth this way ‘mouf’, is in any way acceptable English?”"
Is this how and idiot raises his hand on this here blog??
Shamus {hand raised}
Andrew in P-tang
July 28th, 2009
3:30 pm
kotsay to white sox
boutTHATmouf
July 28th, 2009
3:30 pm
Ha ha
nice grouch
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
July 28th, 2009
3:30 pm
Figured Anders would like to see this:
They say rihanna has been dating several mets players. They go on to say that she feels safe with them because unlike Chris Brown, they can’t beat anybody.
chilidog75
July 28th, 2009
3:30 pm
Kotchman is what he is.
— but how many No. 8 hitters in the national league have offensive numbers like Kotchman?
And he hits No. 8 in the order (some games). I don’t have the time to look it up — I am an incredibly busy and important person after all
If he was hitting third, we’d all have a right to want more production. But what bottom-of-the-order hitters are more productive right now than he is?
OklahomaBrave
July 28th, 2009
3:30 pm
If the Phils get Lee or Doc, I don’t see that we have a chance. It would be very unfortunate if Utley or Howard got their hand broke ala Infante. Maybe Bennett could be usefull afterall.
Thrillhouse44
July 28th, 2009
3:31 pm
Who the hell is dumb enough to think spelling the word mouth this way ‘mouf’, is in any way acceptable English?
Ludacris does:
“I be that [fool] named Luda…Alert, Alert. It’s the ATLien intruda” – Word of Mouf
Doc Holiday
July 28th, 2009
3:31 pm
rtrafford,
we are chasing the phillies, not the muts.
lexbrave
July 28th, 2009
3:32 pm
the red sox traded kotsay to the white sox for brian anderson…that should put to rest any further dump norton and get kotsay discussion
Closeted Fish Fan
July 28th, 2009
3:32 pm
Good one, Shamus T (about Amy). Gosh, I had forgotten about her. Thanks (or not) for the memory. haha.
OklahomaBrave
July 28th, 2009
3:32 pm
Buffalo, that was great! LMFAO