1:53 pm July 28, 2009, by David O'Brien
Steve from OH
July 29th, 200912:38 am
Of course I did, RG. Hilarious. Should’ve given you a shout-out, but unfortunately an avalanche of papers distracted me.
Hey, gives me more respect for Gonzo and Kelly and Schafer for talking even during tough times.
I just don’t get it. It causes more commotion to not talk to reporters than it does when they do. I mean, how many people got on Derek Lowe’s case about him coming out and saying that he sucked during that outing? Probably not many…I don’t this was a case of Soriano sucking, just getting bad calls.
I’ll forgive him if he has an Escobar-like reformation over night. Actually, I was never mad…but that kinda defeats the purpose.
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 200912:39 am
Too easy to second guess the manager, when there is no reality connnected with our guess. If you pinch hit a .333 hitter, you expect to be wrong 2/3 of the time. Some folks would say that Norton is due.
July 29th, 200912:41 am
“Not harsh at all, really. I have been saying since Norton came back, that if he doesn’t get it together soon, he is gone”
It sucks because you know what he could give you, but he hasn’t given it to us. Kinda the same way with KJ and how he’s been this season. Only problem I have with him using Norton is that he could have used our little Marlin Killer, Matt Diaz. I would play the guy the whole series. He seems to like hitting at Pro Player/Dolphin/Landshark/Whatever.
On Soriano, sounds like the guy just didn’t want to talk to the media. If you don’t just say it. Stop the whole me against the world thing. Maybe he needs to have a talk with Carroll. He blew the save, he’s disappointed but it happens. It’s one game. He’s been great all season. Lidge gave up a 2-run homer but his team gave him a three run lead so he gets the save. It happens, bounce back tomorrow and get a win.
MiamiBrave thats good to hear on Yunel, sounds like he has turned a corner.
All of his “luck-driven” stats are completey bonkers in the wrong direction…hopefully it’s just that–bad luck.
Hopefully you’re right. I read a while back that he was getting really discouraged. I hate to see that, and I especially hate it when the player is as talented as Cole is. I hope this is just a learning experience for him.
July 29th, 200912:42 am
That’s really true, RG. I wasn’t mad at all–the dude’s been awesome, he’s due to give one up. Nature of the game…but he’s shifted the attention squarely to him when all he really had to do was answer a few questions.
braves fan lmh
are the braves going to at least kick the tires on possibly trading for Adrian Gonzalez?
July 29th, 200912:45 am
I don’t know if they will, but I wouldn’t. The cost would be prohibitive. IMO Hanson or JJ would have to be in the package, plus Freeman and Schafer and someone like Hoover or Spruill and Jesus Sucre or something…talk about an organization-killer.
What can I say, Wayne? I can’t be reasonable when it comes to Norton. I’m still bitter over that Mets loss. You know, the game I went to when the score was 2-1 Mets in the 8th, the bases were loaded after we rallied back with 2 outs, and ol’ Norty watched 3 fastballs right down the middle of the plate? Yeah. Ol Norty lost me on July 18th 2009 at approx 6:00 p.m. in front of the biggest crowd of the year. 51,000! 3 fastballs down the middle of the plate!
July 29th, 200912:46 am
This Soriano thing makes for a good conversation, but unfortunately, it’s not that interesting because he sounds like an uneducated guy from the D.R. who has no people skills… so why bother? He probably won’t be a Brave next year because his price tag will be too much for this team. That will probably use that money for an OF. Case closed.
and that’s probably under-estimating the cost…they could ask for Kelly or Medlen in there too.
July 29th, 200912:47 am
If the Padres are going to trade him, they’ll start a bidding war. That’ll be a war the Braves can’t compete in without giving up someone WAAY too valuable…someone that would make the trade not worth it…someone like Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg.
“Imagine being in Queens and having to deal with your GM sparring with a reporter at a press conference.”
Or in Boston where the media’s job is important because the worlds most obsessive baseball fans hang on every word about their beloved Red Sox. Its funny when players like Frenchy and Smoltz go to those cities and are so happy to play in front of a full house every night for those great fans. Smoltz is taking it like a man but let’s just say for his sake I hope he makes a better start next time are the Fenway faithful will show you their other side.
July 29th, 200912:48 am
Hey Papelbon choked tonight too. It happens (unless you’re the Phillies). We’ll get ‘em tomorrow. KK has put on a show for the aces every time this year.
RG–don’t worry about Riaan! He can’t be traded until next June 22 (or whatever), and by that time he’ll be more untouchable than Carrot Top. Zing!
July 29th, 200912:49 am
he sounds like an uneducated guy from the D.R. who has no people skills
That’s not the impression I get from him at all. I think he is educated and as for those people skills…well, he knows what people like to say right before they are brutally murdered, although I have no idea how he knows that…
July 29th, 200912:50 am
braves fan Imh
Can I take a stab at your question? In a word, no.
We have an inexpensive alternative at first, with 1 to 3 potentials coming through the system. Why would you want to give up 3-4 top prospects or young players that it would take to get a guy like Adrian? You wouldn’t.
It’s just logic, my friend. Yes we could us a big bat, but look at the Braves record for the past month, without a big cleanup hitter. To be honest, before the recent surge, the Braves might have been talking about another bat, but their recent play has probably killed that inclination.
Besides, as badly as Kevin Towers screwed up the Peavy situation last fall, do you think Frank is in a hurry to deal with that guy? He would be the last team I would go to and propose a trade.
Not speaking for DOB, but that is my take on it.
July 29th, 200912:52 am
he’ll be more untouchable than Carrot Top.
July 29th, 200912:53 am
SD needs a 2b so why not offer a package built around KJ and JS throw in a ML pitcher or possibly even Medlen. JS is a CF and McClouth is set there for I think the next four years. JJ,KK,DL,TH,JV,TH kinda make Medlen expendable.
July 29th, 200912:54 am
do you think Frank is in a hurry to deal with that guy?
Exactly what I was thinking…how in the heck could anyone in their right mind want to start negotiating with that crazy man again?! I had enough drama this offseason to last me a while.
Thank yew, thank yew.
July 29th, 200912:56 am
so why not offer a package built around KJ and JS throw in a ML pitcher or possibly even Medlen.
Schafer is on the DL. Schafer isn’t going anywhere. Schafer is our CFer going forward. Schafer is going to start attacking people who want to trade him…or wait, was that me?
If you keep carrying around that anger, it’ll eat you up in side. You gotta get down to the heart of the matter. When your will gets weak, and your thoughts seem to scatter but I think it’s about forgiveness.
This is what Norton would tell you. I would dare say that Chipper has done that once or twice in his career. Of course, we expect less from Norton, but again, we have a 2/3 of a chance for failure, even with the mighty Chipper batting.
(he says, with the slight trace of a tear trickling down from his one good eye!)
You people need to quit with the “throwing in” of Schafer and Medlen before me and Roman Gal go all MFIKY on you.
July 29th, 200912:57 am
Medlen, Schafer and KJ to not get you an Adrian Gonzalez. I can guaran-freaking-tee you that they’ll want someone with frontline starter potential back, with that group, and that alone with those three makes the cost too much for us. Plus, IMO, giving up Schafer would be bad for the club. A defensive outfield of McLouth-Schafer-Heyward would save a LOT of runs and be + with the bat while being really friggin’ cheap. This is what you aspire for as a GM…
LOL Wayne…and its going to drive me crazy until I think of which bad 80’s singer you just quoted. One of them Eagles boys, I think?
July 29th, 200912:58 am
So long as we hang onto Logan Schafer, I could care less what we do with Jordan Schafer!
(Logan hit a HR in his first game, remember!)
before me and Roman Gal go all MFIKY on you.
That’s for durn sure!!
July 29th, 200912:59 am
And I’ll be the guy waiting outside while casually smoking a cigarette…nobody talks about Schafer that way, no-one!
Seriously IMO Schafer is our CF of the future folks. Plus, no need for A-Gon. A)CK isn’t a liability at 1B and B) That Freeman kid is pretty doggone good, wouldntja say?
July 29th, 20091:00 am
Trading Logan Schafer is such a horrible idea that even Booby Cox wouldn’t suggest it. Even the ol’ donk knows what he’s got in that kid…
July 29th, 20091:01 am
If your going to deal with the Padres, then I’d go after Bell he is also available.
July 29th, 20091:03 am
Your right Adrian Gonzalez would probably cost too much. I was just thinking of how nice it would be to have him inbetween Hoss and Mac. I sincerely hope the braves have enough offense to get to the playoffs, but another hitter would be nice. Sorta as a pick me up to the team for tonights tough loss.
July 29th, 20091:04 am
Smoking is bad for you. Life is short, do whatever you want!
Our man Logan Schafer might never be the bat we have hoped he would become, but I have NO doubt he will play for 5-10 years in the majors with that glove and arm. No doubt at all.
Have you folks ever thought that either Heyward (tall like McCovey) or Cody J might eventually be a first base candidate?? They have both played the position some, if I am not mistaken.
I have always thought that Freeman might be used to acquire another needed piece. (I guess that could be true for half our prospects, though)
Logan in Utah says to tell you all hello!
July 29th, 20091:05 am
It’s good to see our new draftees of to good starts at Danville…Mycal Jones, Harrilchak, and RSF lightin’ it up. Good to see…
July 29th, 20091:08 am
Well, it’s already past my bedtime…
No doubt a stronger hitting, non-catcher would be ideal to bat 4th. Adrian or Konerko would be good candidates (though I have heard Konerko doesn’t have ideal splits away from their launching pad in Chi-town!
After Towers screwed over FW last winter, I bet Frank would tell him to take Heath Bell and deposit him where the sun doesn’t shine. (that’s what I would be tempted to tell him.)
Too many arms available to have to deal with that man!
It’s also worth noting how well Craig Kimbrel is pitching since his re-promotion to MB. He’s been flat out nasty in July.
July 29th, 20091:09 am
I think Kawakami will do well against the M’s tomorrow evening.
July 29th, 20091:10 am
I didn’t know Kimbrel was back up with the Pelicans? Gotta go check out his stats. He had some killer numbers last summer fore shore.
July 29th, 20091:11 am
Why does no one ever mention Matt Young. Sure hes 26 But 68BBs to 50Ks in AA with 27 SBs .280 AVG.
I think Kotchman is a great defensive first baseman and eventually a mark grace type hitter but I wonder what the rays would want along with him for Carlos Pena? Pena is pretty good defensively and can really mash the ball. The trade would make sense due to the fact that the rays are looking to slash payroll to acquire a major pitcher.
July 29th, 20091:15 am
And Kimbrel is a looker too!
July 29th, 20091:17 am
Young has a low OPS. Decent OBP, but no power. He is short, and get’s caught 1/3 of the times he tries to steal.
Otherwise, haven’t heard much about him.
Wayne if I’m remembering right it wasnt just Towers. I cant remember who reported it but I remember someone saying Peavy didnt want to come here when it came down to it and he had that no trade clause.
Yeah, he’s been up for quite a while. If my math is right, he has 16.2 K/9 this year. That’s insanity!!
July 29th, 20091:19 am
Psh…I’ll tell you who’s a looker, and that’s Cody Johnson. Why am I so hard on him again?
Wayne I was talking about him as trade bait in a deal for a RP.
July 29th, 20091:23 am
Ryan Garko was traded to the Giants??? Wow… where have I been???
Go check Pena’s splits and recent performance. Man, you are fixated on getting another first baseman, huh???
I really don’t see the Braves doing something at firstbase, unless something falls in their laps. Just don’t see it happening. Got too many good young guys coming up who can play there, plus Kotchman is really a good piece; good player, affordable too.
Yeah, Peavy seemed to be using the Braves to try to get to the Cubs, or so it seemed. But Towers gave FW the impression he had a deal a few times, and then he would change his mind and ask for somebody else.
When I get treated like that in my business, I just write that guy off. He can call ME next time, and the terms will be MY terms. Know what I mean.
Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me!
July 29th, 20091:25 am
Did I miss something when did Schafer become Logan instead of Jordan?
July 29th, 20091:26 am
“Whenever the game comes down to stategy, the Braves lose ”
Been that way for almost 20 years
July 29th, 20091:27 am
Yes. Yes, you did.
July 29th, 20091:28 am
My first impression of CJ was that he was a little geeky, but I guess I look at guys different than you might. Looks a tad bit like my son, but CJ is shorter…..
July 29th, 20091:30 am
What could Donk have done differently tonight, that was clearly obvious that he screwed up?? Just wondering.
CJ is shorter, eh? I’m not gonna lie, I’ve always gone for the tall, nerdy guys.
July 29th, 20091:31 am
It’s not that i’m fixated on the braves getting a new first baseman I am just trying to think of ways that the braves could improve their roster and solidify there playoff chances. I think another reliever would help also, but I’ve read where with hudson getting close to a return the braves are thinking of holding on to everyone and not making a trade at all
I’m not introducing you to my Logan, cause he is too young for you!!
He looks a bit nerdy, but he really is a pretty cool 17 year old. Very confident for being soooo skinny!
July 29th, 20091:32 am
And, he can speak French, in Russian….
July 29th, 20091:34 am
With Frank Wren, who knows for sure what they are going to do. He is a man of surprises. BUT, I really don’t expect anything more than possibly and arm in the next couple of weeks.
I too think Huddy is making them more selective.
Wayne I know what your saying and I think the whole time the Braves were being played by both of them. I dont think Peavy wanted to be here from the start and Towers knew it. It was wrong to use the Braves like that but its hard to just write of an org. I also here Seattle selling out, I hope the Braves dont go after Branyon. I like Kotchmans D and alot of people dont seem to realize he’s a profesional hitter who is rarely caught of guard. Alot of stuff he does goes unnoticed like moving runners over and like I said earlier the guy seem to come thru in the clutch more often than not.
July 29th, 20091:35 am
We can only hope Kotchman becomes the next Mark Grace. If he does, we will definitely deal Freeman!
I thought you were saving Logan for McFann anyways?
July 29th, 20091:37 am
If we deal for anybody, I would rather see us go after somebody like Morrow of Seattle, Wuerth of Oakland, or Qualls of Arizona.
I also like Kotchman a LOT!
July 29th, 20091:38 am
RG if I missed something why not explain it to me instead of being a smarta$$. You were a SA with me the other night did I do something to offend you.
I couldn’t agree more Wren is very unpredictable. I wonder if the mariners are trading off pieces if a guy like mark lowe, or david aarsdma would be available at a REASONABLE price?
July 29th, 20091:39 am
I just dont buy the blame the umps argument. Major league umps do a difficult job astoundingly well
But if the Braves ARE getting umpiring that’s biased against them, then the most likely reason is the umpries are turned off by Cox’s antics. He never shows them respect or gives them the benefit of the doubt, so the umps return the favor – subconsciously most likely – They are human, and like most people, tend to reflect back onto others how others treat them
That said, rule number one is that the umps are always, by definition, correct. That’s part of the game, and that includes the human element that goes into making split seconf, razor fine judgements routinely during every single game.
It’s a part of the game like the weather conditions, the physical layout of the ballpark, and the fans. Winners adjust and deal with it like pros. Lossers use it to make excuses.
And a manager who condones and takes part in blaming umps, questioning umps, and using umpiring decisions as an excuse is demonstrating horrible leadership and extremely stupid judgement.
July 29th, 20091:42 am
Morrow has walked seven batters in two tough starts in AAA. I don’t know if he has the control to come in a close game and be effective. Plus if the mariners are trying to use him as a starter I wonder if they won’t package him in a deal for a coupe of highlty rated prospects?
July 29th, 20091:43 am
You were a SA with me the other night did I do something to offend you.
Unless you suggested trading Schafer, then nope. It’s just in my nature. Sorry if I offended you, though!
Ok…story time. Once upon a time, on Opening Day, a retarded ESPN analyst referred to Jordan Schafer as “Logan” Schafer. The end.
July 29th, 20091:44 am
She ain’t being a smart azz. RG ain’t that way (now, I have been rightfully accused of being such a few times!).
The national broadcasters early in the season (Joe Morgan or Jon Miller, I can’t remember which) was referring to him as Logan Schafer. It’s been kind of an inside joke between a few folks on here since.
Now, go on and apologize to Miss RG. No harm, no foul.
July 29th, 20091:47 am
It’s unfortunate that Soriano wasn’t in a particularly good mood after the game. I think it would have been nice for him to have talked to the local guy DOB who treats players fairly in print.
Talking to the media, handling the media can really help a player as it can help him build a positive image if he handles it correctly. So it’s just better to play nice with people even if you don’t feel like it.
That said, I think it’s rare that we get penetrating insight from most player’s quotes. Lots of cliche’s and lot’s of quotes that can be seen as self-serving as well.How many players have built great media images only later to be found to be much different than that image?Communication is a skill for most, though some have a talent for it.
I sure as heck don’t draw conclusions about him as a person because he didn’t feel like talking after a tough loss. It will be interesting to see in the future if he is approached after a victory and whether or not he feels like talking and if that leads him to feel less cynical about being approached after a loss.
I’m disappointed that Soriano dissed DOB, but I really need him to close games out rather than be chatty. If he saves 99% of his remaining chances, I could care less if he never says another word.
July 29th, 20091:48 am
thanks for the explanation. I missed that. I didnt suggest trading Schafer the other night but to be honest I dont think hes going to be what everyone else does.
It’s ok. I am definitely a “feather-ruffler.” Actually, I’m just a plain smart-aleck.
July 29th, 20091:50 am
Is it just me or does prado seem to be pressing alittle bit at the plate ever since KJ got back? Don’t get me wrong I think Prado should be the starter, but when is the last time you saw prado strike out on a ball like he did in the 8th?
You’re trying to make me not like you, right?
July 29th, 20091:54 am
Wayne what do you call that then. I asked if I missed something and and she said yes you did with no explanation. And the other night I didnt say anything about it when she did it. But I knew it was as bad as I thought when Bird and Indian asked why she was being that way with me. So why should I appoligize for being on the recieving end twice.
July 29th, 20091:56 am
Shhh. You’ll hurt some feelings on here with all the KJ haters and Prado lovers (and Bobby haters too).
I have noticed the same thing. 1 for his last 12, I think.
But unlike the Norton haters, I am not ready to throw him under the bus just yet.
If BC benches him for a game, it’ll be like Krakatoa around here!
July 29th, 20091:57 am
NO I want you to like me. And I hope I’m wrong he seems like a really good kid, and I’m not gay or nothing but he has the look that could make him a fan favorite. He seems to have all the tools but so did Marte, Betemit and many others. I guess I’m just a natuural skeptic.
July 29th, 20091:59 am
IMH thats one of the reasons why I think KJ should go
July 29th, 20092:00 am
I wonder if there are any power hitting bench players available? which would be a small tweak to the core the braves have in place.
July 29th, 20092:02 am
Holy cow, birddawgbill!!
You’re not actually mad about what happened the other night, are you?
July 29th, 20092:03 am
Hypothetically, what is a reasonable return for KJ? I know that the twins are looking for a middle infielder. They have been looking at expensive options in Jack Wilson, and Freddie Sanchez along with washed up guys like Orlando Cabrera. KJ is younger than all of those guys and doesn’t cost as much as the duo from the pirates and won’t be a free agent like o-cab. What would the twins have that could help the braves?
July 29th, 20092:04 am
You can’t send another player packing because he makes a starter uncomfortable. When it’s all said and done, my guess is that KJ will have more major league AB’s than Prado. (career wise)
I’ll assume that you’re mad about this comment. If so, you realize I was just giving you a hard time, right?
July 29th, 20092:07 am
Some folks are in too big of a hurry to get rid of KJ.
July 29th, 20092:08 am
I agree…just think, if they traded him and Prado started (I should say “continued”) slumping…yikes!
That’s very disappointing DOB (about Soriano). Hate to see that kind of reaction from a guy that obviously doesn’t get it.
July 29th, 20092:09 am
Love that throw from Ryan Church to nail Uggly at third tonigt. Diaz never makes that play.
July 29th, 20092:12 am
Who’s advising these guys??? They don’t have to say much, they just need to not look like azz holes so often.
I’ll never understand it. Somebody needs to splain it to Raffy, that DOB/the press is NOT the enemy.
Same deal with Escobar a over the hit and run thingy. Just come out and act a bit humble, and it blows over fast.
July 29th, 20092:14 am
One of those “Monster Ballad” infomercials came on my TV, and who comes on, but Whitesnake with “When I See You Smile”
DOB would be throwing up a little bit in his mouth……
July 29th, 20092:16 am
RG I’m not mad at all I just thought you didnt like me for some reason. I can take it. Now that I know youre kidding you can give me your best shot.
As I said the other night KJ is an excelent player. But if hes not going to start here then its a disservice to him. And with Infante coming back theres a clutter of guys at that position so why not trade him. If he makes Prado nervous (not saying he does) then use a strength to improve a weakness. Lets face it Prado was bound to cool off.
With 5 consecutive posts, your talking to yourself.
(where you at uga??)
July 29th, 20092:17 am
10 more posts, and I could have a brand new page, all to myself.
Oh well, the night shift is signing off!
July 29th, 20092:18 am
It’s not so much that I want to trade KJ as much as it is that he is a very streaky hitter and coming off the bench for a pinch hit opportunity here and there with a spot start thrown in to the mix i’m not sure how effective he will be
July 29th, 20092:19 am
Roman Gal, if by “slumping”, you mean his .251 BA and .321 OBP, .426 SLG and .746 OPS in his last 11 games (with 2 HR and 8 RBI), he’s still got a LONG WAY of slumping to go to “equal” KJ’s .214/.286/.359/.645 numbers that he put up in the first 68 games of his season (5 HR & 20 RBI), before he’s going to work himself out of the lineup.
Don’t you think?
That being said, I’ve ALWAYS been an advocate of Bobby playing the hot hand, especially with our offenses recent track record of very little margin for error.
I don’t think the return on trading KJ would be as high as it would have been last off-season. So, imo, I think he should be held onto. He has NEVER been the diva that Jeff was, and at least publicly stated he understood that starting Prado was best for the TEAM. So I like his attitude. Plus, worst case scenario with him starting his minor league career as a SS, his season in LF and his work at 2B, he very well might be a fine candidate for the uber-sub guy. Plus he’s got options left.
I say keep him. Unless somebody blows Wren away with an offer. I’ve never been sold on Prado as a long term answer at 2B. But there is no denying that he deserved the shot he’s got, and he certainly should be allowed to fight his way through his first real “slump”.
July 29th, 20092:20 am
Last thought on KJ. If he isn’t dealt (it could happen), then I think he will be MORE important that Infante, and possibly Prado between now and the end of the year.
As our beloved Coach would say, WRITE IT DOWN FOLKS!!
July 29th, 20092:21 am
Any updates on if Huddys timetables moved up for a return.
July 29th, 20092:23 am
Wayne, I know you said you’re going to bed (or signing off), but if you’re still around, I agree with you on Soriano’s comments (or lack there of).
DOB said it best. He (Soriano) has received NOTHING but good press from DOB, and the blog and fan base has fallen back in love with him, even with his outing tonight. I didn’t even see or listen to the game tonight. The result of the game is hardly a “season killer” like some said tonight. He and the team just need to bounce back and continue winning series.
But imo, part of that is facing the music when you fail. So to me, it’s very disappointing to read that he was kind of a jerk tonight. I normally don’t like whiners or guys that place blame on umpires or teammates, but I would have had a lot more respect for him had he bitched about the home plate ump (sounds like there was some horrible umpriring tonight), rather than to semi lash out at the media.
July 29th, 20092:24 am
I hate to say this (gulp) but I wonder if infante will be able to come back and truly be a factor for this team again. If his wrist is still tender and there waiting for that to end, plus time needed in the minors in all will that give him enough time to find any sort of rhythm hear in the majors in a playoff chase no less?
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