Since the Mets are doing well and slowing down the hot Rockies this loss doesn’t hurt that much. To the Philly fan, there is more than one way to make the playoffs. Take the division, but if we get in on the wild card and end up matching up, would be an interesting series. Our Braves seem to like hitting homeruns in Citizen’s Bank, who doesn’t. I mean afterall, aren’t the Dodgers and the Braves the only NL teams with winning records against the Phils so far. For their sake, I know they are hoping we don’t get in.
RHR, in the grand scheme of things, it probably doesn’t matter, and more than likely coincidental. Obviously, simple math tells us that if they continue to win series, they will eventually climb to (and beyond) 4 games over the .500 mark.
But what can’t be denied by even the most optimistic of homers, is that EVERY TIME since the team was 5-1 (or was it 6-2?), that they’ve had a chance to go to 4 games over, they have failed to do so.
Coincidental or not, it’s extremely frustrating, and a tad disturbing. It’s like they fool themselves into thinking they’re good enough, and then have just enough mental lapses to keep from climbing over the hump.
Until they really step it up, nothing will change. They will be a mediocre team that finds a way to lose, just as often as they find a way to win. A bit of bummer, don’t you think?
But until it’s changed, it will unfortunately….. remain the same.
I adressed your post specificaly but I was more or less referencing anyone who continues to talk about him. No you don’t want the trade to come back and bite you, especially since he’s in the same division but the fact of the matter is that Jeff “Frenchy” Francoeur didn’t get it done for us, the Braves. No gurantee if we kept him that he could have turned it around but I doubt it. The new team seems to be doing good for him. Sometimes things work out that way. Don’t you think the Red Sox asked why Renteria didn’t hit for them the way he did in Atlanta. It works out that way sometimes.
Blame it on the umpire? Whatever. The Braves had lots of opportunities to put this one away. And Billy Hohn, world’s worst umpire, actually blew one on a Marlins baserunner at first base.
DP’s, strikeouts…the Braves baserunners were there. And to the surprise of most on this board, the Braves somehow lost this game despite the best “defensive” first baseman the game has known. Had it not been for him, the Braves might have lost 5-3, or even 6-3. Of course, if the Braves had a first baseman with some pop, who could hit a HR and drive someone in more often than once a month….
Wonder if Wren is rethinking his “no-trade” stance now. Not for Soriano or anything, but just something to make him (Wren) feel better after this loss.
Did anyone see Hermida play in high school?? certainly not this many teams could have been wrong about a guy’s physical skills. Did he have a confidence problem?? Anything?? How in the Hell do you go from being called a potential batting champion to a platooned, brain dead washout who can’t bring back an 8th inning set up guy in a deal?? How??
I feel the Braves will win this series. Battlers like Prado, McLouth, Mac, and the vets, Chipper and Garret, don’t sulk because they a)they can hit and b)Bobby won’t allow this loss to siral our season down the tubes.
So tonight, Soriano sounded like Yunel. Here were a handful of reporters, including a couple of Latin reporters from Miami, waiting 20 minutes to talk to him after we’d already gotten the manager and J.J., and Soriano starts in with, I just want to say that you guys don’t ever talk to me all year but now you want to talk to me?, or words to that effect.
So he declines to speak about the game at all. This from the guy who has had more positive stuff written about him this season by us than just about anyone on the team. We practically ran a campaign to get him on the All-Star team, and I’ve written almost nothing but glowing praise since the end of spring training about his performance and all his stats — in the paper, on my blogs, etc.
Oh, well. What are you gonna do? When I said, do you want us to ask you each time after you pitch, good or bad, how you felt, he said, no, you don’t need to do that because he’s not that kind of guy. But, of course, he was exactly that kind of guy tonight, when he blew just his second save of the season and got his first homer allowed and first blown save since Sheff hit one to hand him a blowns save more than two months ago. And he handled it … well, like a guy who’s not been a closer for very long.
Part of the job, bro. Smoltz understood that perfectly when he closed. You don’t ask the guy after all 40-50 or more of his successful saves, ‘How’d you feel?’ You ask him after a particularly strong performance or after a blown save or otherwise bad performance. Period. Nature of the closer job.
Yeah you can blame the umpire to some degree. Jurrjens could have gone deeper in the game if he was getting the low strike and didn’t have to throw extra pitches. Not to mention when you have to elevate pitches that makes the ball easier to hit. If his pitch count is down, you let him bunt instead of using Norton and you have McLouth up with a runner on second. You could also put some blame on Anderson. Should have been an out. Chipper striking out with 2 runners on with one out. You can put a little blame his way, but the ump took the bat out of Mac’s hands when he called ball 2 strike 3. There is plenty of blame to go around yet to try to tie it back to Kotchman. Weak argument. Weak.
Oh, and Hermida was out at 1st. Ump didn’t blow that one.
And here’s the thing: all most of us, or all of us, planned to ask him about was the strike zone, because both Bobby and Jair said it was inconsistent and that Meals wasn’t giving any low strikes. They both said Soriano had to groove one because he was 2-2 on the hitter after Meals didn’t give him a low strike earlier in the count.
Jurrjens said he (JJ) had to throw a lot more four-seamers tonight because Meals wasn’t calling sinkers.
But we couldn’t ask Soriano. Because he had to make some kind of statement or point.
Like I said early in the game, BALLGAME!. This team finds ways to lose but this one wasn’t all Rafy’s fault. The ump decided to change the strike zone in the last inning and Soriano had to throw it right down the middle. Back to 3rd place and 8 GB in the division so thats no longer achievable. Only 3 back still in the WC but lets get real people, this team is no better than a .500 team. Even by miracle if they happened to get into the playoffs, they would be swept in the first series. Wren needs to change is approach and no longer “stand pat”, nor should he buy, he needs to sell and get some spects’ that can contribute when Heyward and Co. are ready in a couple years. This season is over, onto the next.
Best Boston song: Rock’n Roll Band off their first Album. Saw them in Macon GA in 1979, don’t remember much about the concert. Saw them at Chastain in 2006, different environment, but they sounded great. I at least remained coherent through the Chastain show.
Well, KK going tomorrow. Wanted to say it would be nice if they actually gave him a little runs to work with for a while. Doesn’t he have like the worse run support among our pitchers right now? Facing off against Johnson probably will not help that. Hopefully the boys with the bats will surprise him and give him some runs.
CrimeDog, the writers love to hammer on guys who dont want to talk to them after tough losses, and complain about them not learning English fast enough, they are not required to learn English.
I don’t know about Soriano, Yunel may have had a bit of a point. God knows he made his share of press with the bad side of what he does in the game. Things were kind of piling up with Yunel so you can understand some of his frustration, but Soriano like you said has been great. I don’t know, maybe in some wierd way they are trying to apply the whole if you don’t have something good to say don’t say anything at all. Whatever the reason, if you don’t say anything in your defense you leave it open to interpretation from everyone else when you could just clarify it yourself.
CrimeDog, true it is their job, but why not just let him be and not make a mountain out of a mole hill like they did with Yunel. Blew that thing way out of proportion.
Because part of a player’s job is to be accountable, good or bad. If Brian McCann goes 0-for-5, he stands in front of his locker and takes the heat. If Kenshin Kawakami, who speaks even less English than Soriano, gets lit up, he stands in front of his locker and answers questions.
I agree that there has been a lot of good things written about Soriano but have you ACTUALLY talked to HIM about the great way he has been playing? Maybe he has a point just like Yunel did. Maybe he doesn’t read the good stuff that is written about him online. Maybe he just knows that the media never interviews him. I don’t ever remember hearing quotes directly from Soriano, only the stats and how great he has been playing. Maybe he doesn’t realize the good things have been written about him?
I still feel good about this team. I dont know if I would do anything if I was FW. They seem to have real good chemistry on the team. And whether they make the playoffs or not the Braves are set up to be very good for several years. As for getting rid of Kotchman, IMO that wouldnt be wise. Hes still a pretty young guy and if Chipper and McCann were producing the power they have in the past then I think Kotchmans lack of power wouldnt be noticed. Besides Kotchmans came thru with a bunch of cluth hits. As the pitching staff turns over to Hanson,Medlen, and the other young pitchers his D will be very important to their confidense until Freeman is ready in two years.
Well, I would have to imagine a player that takes the heat when they fail doesn’t view Soriano’s actions favorably. Besides, this is a completely different argument. Your original point was that DOB was reacting this way because Soriano doesn’t speak English. If Eric O’Flaherty was the closer and he blew the save and then blew of reporters, DOB would be just as pissed.
Because part of a player’s job is to be accountable, good or bad. If Brian McCann goes 0-for-5, he stands in front of his locker and takes the heat. If Kenshin Kawakami, who speaks even less English than Soriano, gets lit up, he stands in front of his locker and answers questions.
Accountable to the media? Um no not really. It is polite of them to do so and it builds good relationships with the media but are they required to do it? Is it part of their job? No. It’s not. Nobody on that team ever has to say $hit to DOB if they don’t want to. Of course that would suck for us and make his job a nightmare but I’m just saying, it’s not their job to give the media a quote or a story.
Bobby just cant resist using Greg Norton. If the Braves were down by 2 runs, I could understand using Norton (after all, Bobby seems to look at him as a pinch hitting home run “threat”). However, I feel that the move there was using Kelly Johnson (someone who can bunt, hit and run with, etc. to try and get that go ahead run in).
Instead, double play by Norton.
As far as Soriano giving up the homer……..I’m not going to talk bad about him. Sure, it’s disappointing to lose the game. However, Soriano has been pretty much lights out this year. He just didnt get the job done tonight. One bad night isnt a valid reason to jump on Soriano. I’d use him again tomorrow night if another save situation comes up.
Here were a handful of reporters, including a couple of Latin reporters from Miami, waiting 20 minutes to talk to him after we’d already gotten the manager and J.J., and Soriano starts in with, I just want to say that you guys don’t ever talk to me all year but now you want to talk to me?, or words to that effect.
If that was the case, Soriano was implying that he wanted people to talk to him when he was successful. Would you agree there? If you just never want to speak to the media, that’s fine. Howeverm I know Soriano has cooperated on feature stories (positive) that were written about him.
If you want positive pub, you need to deal with a negative story. For him to make that comment, it sounds like he would have been perfectly fine talking about a 1-2-3 ninth.
I don’t disagree with that at all, but you said it was their job to be accountable and to stand in front of their locker and take questions, that’s the part I disagree about. It’s not their job. They should definitely man up and do it yes, but it’s not their job, as you said.
DOB-there is a reason guys like Smoltz will be in the hall of fame and stuck around baseball for 20+ years and then there are guys who just want a paycheck and will be gone and not remembered. The clock is ticking Soriano-show some class and humility
In an indirect way, it really is there job. For my company, I can’t afford to go out of my way to be a pain in the azz to people that indirectly pay for me. I would get a severe azz chewing if I were seen to be rude or improper in front of my customers.
That is exactly what players do when they turn into turds after a bad performance. The press is always there. They report to the fans. The fans buy tickets, and ultimately pay their salaries.
Can you imagine having to kiss the collective A$$es of a group of people under the age of 35 who if they could not play a sport would be lining up at Tech schools for applications? And you must cater to them because you have people who actually care about the random musings of some people who could not find way out of a phone booth withouy a contingent of Navy Seals. Of course there are exceptions, but why would any sane human being, with a functional life, give a Rat’s A$$ about anything coming out of Manny’s mouth?? This is why I tend to root for underdog teams because the players have not yet developed into the Sheffields, the Pudges and the other Prima Donnas who once removed from the Juice morphed into guys who suddenly lost about 75 feet of power.
DOB, Tough job. Not for me. When I ask someone a question I would like to make sure the person has read a book at some point.
ABC baseball kills the Braves again. They can’t get runners over and can’t score runners from 3rd with less than 2-outs.
Soriano didn’t have it tonight, but if they Braves played even half-way decent ABC baseball they’d win games like this. Fundamentals are seriously lacking.
Great to see Loaf coming around though. Hitting around .300 after a horrible start. He isn’t flashy, and doesn’t hit for power, but he really can hit.
Lou – fire and attitude does count for something in baseball. It is not just scouting reports though that is important as well. A big part of the game is mental and how the Braves handle this loss is very important no matter how much they practice and study scouting reports. Do not under estimate the mental aspect of any sport, especially baseball. Look at what happened after KJ dropped that foul ball against Philly last year. If the Braves bounce back and take this series this game means nothing. If they hang their heads and slump then the post-season could quickly get out of reach.
Tomorrow is 1 game out of 162 but it is a big one after tonight’s loss. In fact I would say as July ends and we are 3 out of the wild card and double that out of the division lead, each and every game is important here on out.
Why do you pinch hit for a .160 hitter with a .120 hitter? That I may never know…..
only reason I figure is that it’s just like they did with Jeff: give him a few at bats here and there and see if he can get it together. If he can’t get it together I have to believe when Omar gets back he’s taking Norton’s place.
back from the game…sad ending obviously…after just cheering GA…I thought Soriano was a bit wild, but I’m seeing he might’ve been squeezed from you guys posted, dunno, can’t tell that much from the bullpen.
Just wanted to let you guys know, who don’t kno or haven’t seen, I was just in shock looking at Kris Medlen, dude is the smallest guy in the bullpen and looks like he’s a ballboy, just really funny cus I hadn’t seen the dude in person, he sticks out needless to say…especially when they made him wear a colorful backpack with PONIES on it on his way to his bullpen seat, HILARIOUS, he took it like a champ, wore it like a backpack both arms and skipped from the entrance to the bullpen. Funny stuff.
And I did not want to leave out the throw by CHURCH, that was sick watching in person, when you don’t think theres a chance in he11, and then a cannon throw to nail Uggla at third. Pretty cool…
Hopefully they can pull a win off on Josh Johnson.
BTW Spanish network interviewed Yunel asking him about rumors of his rift with Bobby Cox and he denied it and said he owe’s Bobby (his father/grandfather) everything for giving him his chance to play. Also stated that no one should ever behave like that with Bobby, that he doesn’t deserve it. FWIW
Why would you start a guy at second base tonight that had a .000 batting average for the past two games? Because before that, he was hittig .310 for the year.
Same answer. You hit Norton, because you don’t believe in your heart he is a .120 hitter. He has hit better.
Now, I know. He has stunk it up for the whole year, right? OK, he has stunk it up for less than 50 AB’s.
Granted, my Prado example was a bit exaggerated. But, some of you folks criticizm of Norton is equally exaggerated.
Just let Bobby be the manager. He could give a rats azz what any of us think about his use of pinch hitters or the bullpen. If it bothers you folks that much, you need to just walk away and do something else. It’s always going to be something. You folks are glass half empty types. Never going to be happy.
If the Braves won the World Series, you’d probably find someone’s performance to critique.
Every time we get in a tough situation that calls for a pinch hitter, is there anyone else besides me thinking, man I wish Brooks Conrad was batting right now. That guy finds a way to get it done.
Any reports from down on the farm Roman Gal or others?Tokyo Brave
Jason Heyward and Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg are still ah-mazing! And Steve from OH’s guy, Milligan had a great game…including accounting for all 4 Rome runs by hitting a grand slam.
And the nerve of that Bobby Cox for using Peter Moylan again. It’s like I have always said. Old Donk is going to bring in Moylan, and he brings bad karma to the team and we lose. It wasn’t Soriano’s fault. It was definitely Bobby’s fault!!!
Sure, you need the custom hats, but as I recall, they don’t require gloves. A screaming bullet from Escobar would merely elicit a chuckle from any barehanded Klingon first-bagger worth his salt.
You hit Norton, because you don’t believe in your heart he is a .120 hitter.
I certainly don’t believe that Norton has suddenly forgotten how to hit, and I’ve thought that he’s hit into a lot of bad luck most of the year…but lately, I’ve gotten pretty frustrated with him. It’s just not happening for him and I think it might be time to cut ties with him.
This is probably a good thing, as he’d be tempted to run over pedestrians had he been driving.
In all seriousness, a tough loss (I believe I even heard some expletives from McFann! Oh, and I see T-Hawkin’ is keeping Best Buy in business singlehandedly with his mishaps with the remote), but not a backbreaker. I was out and about after the 3rd inning, and well, if I was shocked when my blackberry was telling me that friggin’ Grandpa Loaf hit a homer, I was more shocked to see MFIKY give one up. Oh well, can’t save ‘em all. I was sorry to hear he dodged the media though. Pretty yellow.
Oh, and why is Cole Rohrbough so bad at pitching all of a sudden? Yeesh.
Wishing and hoping for Brooks Conrad instead of Greg Norton huh? In my mind, not a lot of difference there. One career minor leaguer with a good month up, and another journeyman pinchhitter who’s had a bad run this year. I know about the “hot hand” thing. Like I have said about 25 times already. Not my call. Talk to Bobby and Frank.
Not like us sending up Diory Hernandez to pinch hit if Chipper Jones had a bad spell. You send Chipper no matter what.
Oh, and if you thought MFIKY’s mishap was a sure sign of the apocalypse, Robert’s 11:40 should leave no doubt in your mind. Where’s the nearest confessional? I hope the Priest has some time on his hands…
I’m starting to wonder if the Braves have Media-Bashing parties or something. It seems like a lot of the players are getting frustrated with the media this year…more so than in years past. I know Chipper doesn’t like the NY media, but this is so strange!
Not harsh at all, really. I have been saying since Norton came back, that if he doesn’t get it together soon, he is gone.
He went down (up) to Gwinnett after his DL stint, and hit great. Like you said, he has hit into a lot of bad luck. Folks wouldn’t be so critical of him if Conrad was kept when KJ came back.
If Frank Wren would have sent Diory down instead of Conrad, you wouldn’t hear half this moaning and complaining about Norton.
Seems to me like they’ve got a buncha whiners, RG. Seriously folks, stand up and talk to the media, huh? Hey, gives me more respect for Gonzo and Kelly and Schafer for talking even during tough times. Can’t always go to Chip or Mac for a quote.
And why is the closer whining about never getting an interview? Dave always speaks glowingly of him and there really isn’t usually too much to ask him anyway…
Oh, and why is Cole Rohrbough so bad at pitching all of a sudden?
You have to think something is wrong with him. He was good last year for MB. I wish I could watch him pitch. The ol’ BAA is a lot higher this year than in years past. It doesn’t really make sense…
DOB, yeah but I’d almost give Soriano a pass for tonight. That hurt very bad. But, it does sound like he needs to learn some social skills or read because there hasn’t been one negative thing about him since ST.
.370 BABIP coupled with 4 walks per nine=ouch, RG. His FIP is 3.97 because he strikes out a good amount of batters and doesn’t give up too many homers…but still, can he be this unlucky or is he really that hittable? All of his “luck-driven” stats are completey bonkers in the wrong direction…hopefully it’s just that–bad luck.
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Mixxo
July 28th, 2009
10:55 pm
Astros = doing what it takes to win on the road at a crucial time of the year.
Jake W.
July 28th, 2009
10:57 pm
Since the Mets are doing well and slowing down the hot Rockies this loss doesn’t hurt that much. To the Philly fan, there is more than one way to make the playoffs. Take the division, but if we get in on the wild card and end up matching up, would be an interesting series. Our Braves seem to like hitting homeruns in Citizen’s Bank, who doesn’t. I mean afterall, aren’t the Dodgers and the Braves the only NL teams with winning records against the Phils so far. For their sake, I know they are hoping we don’t get in.
N8
July 28th, 2009
10:58 pm
RHR, in the grand scheme of things, it probably doesn’t matter, and more than likely coincidental. Obviously, simple math tells us that if they continue to win series, they will eventually climb to (and beyond) 4 games over the .500 mark.
But what can’t be denied by even the most optimistic of homers, is that EVERY TIME since the team was 5-1 (or was it 6-2?), that they’ve had a chance to go to 4 games over, they have failed to do so.
Coincidental or not, it’s extremely frustrating, and a tad disturbing. It’s like they fool themselves into thinking they’re good enough, and then have just enough mental lapses to keep from climbing over the hump.
Until they really step it up, nothing will change. They will be a mediocre team that finds a way to lose, just as often as they find a way to win. A bit of bummer, don’t you think?
But until it’s changed, it will unfortunately….. remain the same.
RHR
July 28th, 2009
11:01 pm
Kinda like the 1 run games last year…
UNCBrave
July 28th, 2009
11:02 pm
Hunter Pence?? WTF??
Jake W.
July 28th, 2009
11:02 pm
I adressed your post specificaly but I was more or less referencing anyone who continues to talk about him. No you don’t want the trade to come back and bite you, especially since he’s in the same division but the fact of the matter is that Jeff “Frenchy” Francoeur didn’t get it done for us, the Braves. No gurantee if we kept him that he could have turned it around but I doubt it. The new team seems to be doing good for him. Sometimes things work out that way. Don’t you think the Red Sox asked why Renteria didn’t hit for them the way he did in Atlanta. It works out that way sometimes.
Mixxo
July 28th, 2009
11:03 pm
Well said N8.
Guess I just hate being teased. Yet, it’s oddly comforting accepting the reality of “who they really are.”
Disturbing yes, but comforting all the same.
Ghost of Brad Delp
July 28th, 2009
11:05 pm
Boston’s More than a Feeling is the greatest rock song ever, get over it.
Big Chief
July 28th, 2009
11:06 pm
Houston is not stupid they won’t make that trade!!!!
curtis jones
July 28th, 2009
11:06 pm
Blame it on the umpire? Whatever. The Braves had lots of opportunities to put this one away. And Billy Hohn, world’s worst umpire, actually blew one on a Marlins baserunner at first base.
DP’s, strikeouts…the Braves baserunners were there. And to the surprise of most on this board, the Braves somehow lost this game despite the best “defensive” first baseman the game has known. Had it not been for him, the Braves might have lost 5-3, or even 6-3. Of course, if the Braves had a first baseman with some pop, who could hit a HR and drive someone in more often than once a month….
Ashley
July 28th, 2009
11:06 pm
Wonder if Wren is rethinking his “no-trade” stance now. Not for Soriano or anything, but just something to make him (Wren) feel better after this loss.
Damn that loss hurts. We HAD that game.
Lou Vales
July 28th, 2009
11:08 pm
Did anyone see Hermida play in high school?? certainly not this many teams could have been wrong about a guy’s physical skills. Did he have a confidence problem?? Anything?? How in the Hell do you go from being called a potential batting champion to a platooned, brain dead washout who can’t bring back an 8th inning set up guy in a deal?? How??
N8
July 28th, 2009
11:09 pm
“Boston’s More than a Feeling is the greatest rock song ever, get over it.”
Funny. I don’t even have it in the top 3 BOSTON songs. One man’s treasure is another man’s trash I guess, huh?
uga-brave
July 28th, 2009
11:10 pm
this team needs a right handed cleanup hitter. nothing against macc but they need a right handed hitter in the four hole.
Ghost of Brad Delp
July 28th, 2009
11:11 pm
Damn sure aint Amanda or Foreplay/Longtime
TnBrian
July 28th, 2009
11:12 pm
I feel the Braves will win this series. Battlers like Prado, McLouth, Mac, and the vets, Chipper and Garret, don’t sulk because they a)they can hit and b)Bobby won’t allow this loss to siral our season down the tubes.
The Bird and Indian
July 28th, 2009
11:13 pm
UNCBrave: You know that wasn’t DOB right?
David O'Brien
July 28th, 2009
11:13 pm
So tonight, Soriano sounded like Yunel. Here were a handful of reporters, including a couple of Latin reporters from Miami, waiting 20 minutes to talk to him after we’d already gotten the manager and J.J., and Soriano starts in with, I just want to say that you guys don’t ever talk to me all year but now you want to talk to me?, or words to that effect.
So he declines to speak about the game at all. This from the guy who has had more positive stuff written about him this season by us than just about anyone on the team. We practically ran a campaign to get him on the All-Star team, and I’ve written almost nothing but glowing praise since the end of spring training about his performance and all his stats — in the paper, on my blogs, etc.
Oh, well. What are you gonna do? When I said, do you want us to ask you each time after you pitch, good or bad, how you felt, he said, no, you don’t need to do that because he’s not that kind of guy. But, of course, he was exactly that kind of guy tonight, when he blew just his second save of the season and got his first homer allowed and first blown save since Sheff hit one to hand him a blowns save more than two months ago. And he handled it … well, like a guy who’s not been a closer for very long.
Part of the job, bro. Smoltz understood that perfectly when he closed. You don’t ask the guy after all 40-50 or more of his successful saves, ‘How’d you feel?’ You ask him after a particularly strong performance or after a blown save or otherwise bad performance. Period. Nature of the closer job.
Jake W.
July 28th, 2009
11:14 pm
curtis jones
Yeah you can blame the umpire to some degree. Jurrjens could have gone deeper in the game if he was getting the low strike and didn’t have to throw extra pitches. Not to mention when you have to elevate pitches that makes the ball easier to hit. If his pitch count is down, you let him bunt instead of using Norton and you have McLouth up with a runner on second. You could also put some blame on Anderson. Should have been an out. Chipper striking out with 2 runners on with one out. You can put a little blame his way, but the ump took the bat out of Mac’s hands when he called ball 2 strike 3. There is plenty of blame to go around yet to try to tie it back to Kotchman. Weak argument. Weak.
Oh, and Hermida was out at 1st. Ump didn’t blow that one.
Tomahawkin
July 28th, 2009
11:14 pm
I don’t think that was D.O.B. That Posted that…
Why Do we Need another Outfielder…?
Especially with “O” Coming Back! Doesn’t Make Sense to me when we need a middle reliever…
uga-brave
July 28th, 2009
11:17 pm
braves need to prove they can beat an ace tommorow. during this little run they have failed aginst gallardo and santanna.
David O'Brien
July 28th, 2009
11:17 pm
And here’s the thing: all most of us, or all of us, planned to ask him about was the strike zone, because both Bobby and Jair said it was inconsistent and that Meals wasn’t giving any low strikes. They both said Soriano had to groove one because he was 2-2 on the hitter after Meals didn’t give him a low strike earlier in the count.
Jurrjens said he (JJ) had to throw a lot more four-seamers tonight because Meals wasn’t calling sinkers.
But we couldn’t ask Soriano. Because he had to make some kind of statement or point.
Jman
July 28th, 2009
11:17 pm
Check it out…
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/226152-atlanta-braves-get-the-short-end-of-the-umpiring-stick-again
Tomahawkin
July 28th, 2009
11:18 pm
UGA Brave
We Should’ve Beat Santana
Gotta Make this Guy work tomorrow for us to have any chance! Hopefully we can get him out by 5 and work on their bullpen….
Negative Nancy
July 28th, 2009
11:19 pm
Like I said early in the game, BALLGAME!. This team finds ways to lose but this one wasn’t all Rafy’s fault. The ump decided to change the strike zone in the last inning and Soriano had to throw it right down the middle. Back to 3rd place and 8 GB in the division so thats no longer achievable. Only 3 back still in the WC but lets get real people, this team is no better than a .500 team. Even by miracle if they happened to get into the playoffs, they would be swept in the first series. Wren needs to change is approach and no longer “stand pat”, nor should he buy, he needs to sell and get some spects’ that can contribute when Heyward and Co. are ready in a couple years. This season is over, onto the next.
rico carty
July 28th, 2009
11:19 pm
Best Boston song: Rock’n Roll Band off their first Album. Saw them in Macon GA in 1979, don’t remember much about the concert. Saw them at Chastain in 2006, different environment, but they sounded great. I at least remained coherent through the Chastain show.
Sorry Brad Delp is no longer with us.
Mixxo
July 28th, 2009
11:19 pm
Steep learning curve for Soriano…..learning how to be a closer, or rather an accommodating closer after a tough loss.
Hope he can shake it off.
David O'Brien
July 28th, 2009
11:21 pm
Just saw the person who impersonated me with the bogus trade rumor. He or she won’t be posting any more trade rumors using my name.
RHR
July 28th, 2009
11:22 pm
MFIKY doesn’t have to talk about what went wrong.
Jake W.
July 28th, 2009
11:22 pm
Well, KK going tomorrow. Wanted to say it would be nice if they actually gave him a little runs to work with for a while. Doesn’t he have like the worse run support among our pitchers right now? Facing off against Johnson probably will not help that. Hopefully the boys with the bats will surprise him and give him some runs.
Mixxo
July 28th, 2009
11:22 pm
This Valverde “character” for the ‘Stros is unbelievable. What a weirdo!
UNCBrave
July 28th, 2009
11:23 pm
Heyward is now hitting .435 as he’s 2-2 in the 2nd game of a DH…He hit his 3rd HR in the 1st game
Hey UGA brave
July 28th, 2009
11:23 pm
I think Tim Lincecum qualifies as an ace.
Chris
July 28th, 2009
11:25 pm
Geesh, give the guy a break DOB, you guys sure are hard on the foreign born players.
uga-brave
July 28th, 2009
11:25 pm
yeah my bad, as soon as i posted that i thought of linceum. my bad.
CrimeDog
July 28th, 2009
11:26 pm
Chris-
What does being foreign-born have to do with anything?
PWHjort
July 28th, 2009
11:28 pm
Escobar’d should be a past-tense participle to describe the treatment the media got from Soriano tonight.
RHR
July 28th, 2009
11:28 pm
Oh look, the Phillies are up 3-1 in the 6th. What a shocking turn of events.
Chris
July 28th, 2009
11:29 pm
CrimeDog, the writers love to hammer on guys who dont want to talk to them after tough losses, and complain about them not learning English fast enough, they are not required to learn English.
Jake W.
July 28th, 2009
11:29 pm
I don’t know about Soriano, Yunel may have had a bit of a point. God knows he made his share of press with the bad side of what he does in the game. Things were kind of piling up with Yunel so you can understand some of his frustration, but Soriano like you said has been great. I don’t know, maybe in some wierd way they are trying to apply the whole if you don’t have something good to say don’t say anything at all. Whatever the reason, if you don’t say anything in your defense you leave it open to interpretation from everyone else when you could just clarify it yourself.
RHR
July 28th, 2009
11:31 pm
I don’t know why y’all are acting surprised that MFIKY isn’t the sociable type.
CrimeDog
July 28th, 2009
11:32 pm
Chris-
Writers complain about any player who won’t speak after a loss. It doesn’t matter if they speak English, Spanish of Klingon.
Chris
July 28th, 2009
11:34 pm
CrimeDog, true it is their job, but why not just let him be and not make a mountain out of a mole hill like they did with Yunel. Blew that thing way out of proportion.
CrimeDog
July 28th, 2009
11:36 pm
Because part of a player’s job is to be accountable, good or bad. If Brian McCann goes 0-for-5, he stands in front of his locker and takes the heat. If Kenshin Kawakami, who speaks even less English than Soriano, gets lit up, he stands in front of his locker and answers questions.
Chris
July 28th, 2009
11:38 pm
Crimedog, the only people he has to be accountable for is his coaches and teammates, not the media.
LKS
July 28th, 2009
11:39 pm
I agree that there has been a lot of good things written about Soriano but have you ACTUALLY talked to HIM about the great way he has been playing? Maybe he has a point just like Yunel did. Maybe he doesn’t read the good stuff that is written about him online. Maybe he just knows that the media never interviews him. I don’t ever remember hearing quotes directly from Soriano, only the stats and how great he has been playing. Maybe he doesn’t realize the good things have been written about him?
birddawgbill
July 28th, 2009
11:39 pm
I still feel good about this team. I dont know if I would do anything if I was FW. They seem to have real good chemistry on the team. And whether they make the playoffs or not the Braves are set up to be very good for several years. As for getting rid of Kotchman, IMO that wouldnt be wise. Hes still a pretty young guy and if Chipper and McCann were producing the power they have in the past then I think Kotchmans lack of power wouldnt be noticed. Besides Kotchmans came thru with a bunch of cluth hits. As the pitching staff turns over to Hanson,Medlen, and the other young pitchers his D will be very important to their confidense until Freeman is ready in two years.
Robert
July 28th, 2009
11:40 pm
Well, for once, Bobby’s “one bad pitch” line is alMOST correct. Tough loss, and one you cant pin on Donk.
CrimeDog
July 28th, 2009
11:41 pm
Well, I would have to imagine a player that takes the heat when they fail doesn’t view Soriano’s actions favorably. Besides, this is a completely different argument. Your original point was that DOB was reacting this way because Soriano doesn’t speak English. If Eric O’Flaherty was the closer and he blew the save and then blew of reporters, DOB would be just as pissed.
Supes
July 28th, 2009
11:44 pm
Jayson Heyward is ON FIRE at AA.
I have to say it’s extremely tempting to think he could come up in september and be productive in RF for the big league club.
RHR
July 28th, 2009
11:45 pm
Because part of a player’s job is to be accountable, good or bad. If Brian McCann goes 0-for-5, he stands in front of his locker and takes the heat. If Kenshin Kawakami, who speaks even less English than Soriano, gets lit up, he stands in front of his locker and answers questions.
Accountable to the media? Um no not really. It is polite of them to do so and it builds good relationships with the media but are they required to do it? Is it part of their job? No. It’s not. Nobody on that team ever has to say $hit to DOB if they don’t want to. Of course that would suck for us and make his job a nightmare but I’m just saying, it’s not their job to give the media a quote or a story.
RHR
July 28th, 2009
11:46 pm
And I think the Phillies just pulled off a double steal.
Paul Lentz
July 28th, 2009
11:46 pm
Bobby just cant resist using Greg Norton. If the Braves were down by 2 runs, I could understand using Norton (after all, Bobby seems to look at him as a pinch hitting home run “threat”). However, I feel that the move there was using Kelly Johnson (someone who can bunt, hit and run with, etc. to try and get that go ahead run in).
Instead, double play by Norton.
As far as Soriano giving up the homer……..I’m not going to talk bad about him. Sure, it’s disappointing to lose the game. However, Soriano has been pretty much lights out this year. He just didnt get the job done tonight. One bad night isnt a valid reason to jump on Soriano. I’d use him again tomorrow night if another save situation comes up.
Mixxo
July 28th, 2009
11:47 pm
As bad as this one hurts, can you imagine what the Brewers fans are feeling right now?
Pretty much got b%tch-slapped by us and have lost the first two to the Nats so far.
Lovin that ! …..for fielder anyway.
RHR
July 28th, 2009
11:47 pm
“I thought it was a fly ball,” Jurrjens said. “I didn’t think he hit it good enough for a double, but that’s not something I can control.”
Ouch Loaf. He’s talking about you.
UNCBrave
July 28th, 2009
11:47 pm
HEYWARD just hit a walk-off single to give Mississippi the sweep of the DH….Heyward was 3-3 with an RBI and is now hitting .443…INSANE
Rob from SC
July 28th, 2009
11:47 pm
.443 for Heyward.
Call him up
CrimeDog
July 28th, 2009
11:49 pm
RHR-
Here were a handful of reporters, including a couple of Latin reporters from Miami, waiting 20 minutes to talk to him after we’d already gotten the manager and J.J., and Soriano starts in with, I just want to say that you guys don’t ever talk to me all year but now you want to talk to me?, or words to that effect.
If that was the case, Soriano was implying that he wanted people to talk to him when he was successful. Would you agree there? If you just never want to speak to the media, that’s fine. Howeverm I know Soriano has cooperated on feature stories (positive) that were written about him.
If you want positive pub, you need to deal with a negative story. For him to make that comment, it sounds like he would have been perfectly fine talking about a 1-2-3 ninth.
RHR
July 28th, 2009
11:51 pm
I don’t disagree with that at all, but you said it was their job to be accountable and to stand in front of their locker and take questions, that’s the part I disagree about. It’s not their job. They should definitely man up and do it yes, but it’s not their job, as you said.
Daybed Wagmoe
July 28th, 2009
11:52 pm
DOB — In your article on tonight’s game, you say that Ross Gload homered on a 2-and-2 fastball to win it. The count was actually 3-and-1.
groundfog
July 28th, 2009
11:53 pm
DOB-there is a reason guys like Smoltz will be in the hall of fame and stuck around baseball for 20+ years and then there are guys who just want a paycheck and will be gone and not remembered. The clock is ticking Soriano-show some class and humility
CrimeDog
July 28th, 2009
11:54 pm
Fair enough. I didn’t mean to phrase it that way. With that being said, I personally believe that it IS part of being a good teammate.
18 Wheels of Love
July 28th, 2009
11:54 pm
Heyward is the BEASTMASTER.
Wayne in Utah
July 28th, 2009
11:57 pm
RHR
In an indirect way, it really is there job. For my company, I can’t afford to go out of my way to be a pain in the azz to people that indirectly pay for me. I would get a severe azz chewing if I were seen to be rude or improper in front of my customers.
That is exactly what players do when they turn into turds after a bad performance. The press is always there. They report to the fans. The fans buy tickets, and ultimately pay their salaries.
NO MORE BOBBY
July 28th, 2009
11:59 pm
Smells like another DOB jinx tonight.
LaFayetterambler
July 29th, 2009
12:01 am
I just read on mlbtraderumor.com the Padres may have Gonzales on the market.
Lou Vales
July 29th, 2009
12:01 am
Can you imagine having to kiss the collective A$$es of a group of people under the age of 35 who if they could not play a sport would be lining up at Tech schools for applications? And you must cater to them because you have people who actually care about the random musings of some people who could not find way out of a phone booth withouy a contingent of Navy Seals. Of course there are exceptions, but why would any sane human being, with a functional life, give a Rat’s A$$ about anything coming out of Manny’s mouth?? This is why I tend to root for underdog teams because the players have not yet developed into the Sheffields, the Pudges and the other Prima Donnas who once removed from the Juice morphed into guys who suddenly lost about 75 feet of power.
DOB, Tough job. Not for me. When I ask someone a question I would like to make sure the person has read a book at some point.
ChurchMan
July 29th, 2009
12:02 am
Crazy that even though the Braves are playing pretty good ball after the break that they’re about to fall 7 games behind Philly.
At least they’re gaining in the Wild Card otherwise this just wouldn’t be fun at all.
MFin04
July 29th, 2009
12:02 am
ABC baseball kills the Braves again. They can’t get runners over and can’t score runners from 3rd with less than 2-outs.
Soriano didn’t have it tonight, but if they Braves played even half-way decent ABC baseball they’d win games like this. Fundamentals are seriously lacking.
Great to see Loaf coming around though. Hitting around .300 after a horrible start. He isn’t flashy, and doesn’t hit for power, but he really can hit.
MFin04
July 29th, 2009
12:06 am
Why do you pinch hit for a .160 hitter with a .120 hitter? That I may never know…..
brian
July 29th, 2009
12:07 am
Lou – fire and attitude does count for something in baseball. It is not just scouting reports though that is important as well. A big part of the game is mental and how the Braves handle this loss is very important no matter how much they practice and study scouting reports. Do not under estimate the mental aspect of any sport, especially baseball. Look at what happened after KJ dropped that foul ball against Philly last year. If the Braves bounce back and take this series this game means nothing. If they hang their heads and slump then the post-season could quickly get out of reach.
Tomorrow is 1 game out of 162 but it is a big one after tonight’s loss. In fact I would say as July ends and we are 3 out of the wild card and double that out of the division lead, each and every game is important here on out.
Go braves
ChurchMan
July 29th, 2009
12:09 am
Why do you pinch hit for a .160 hitter with a .120 hitter? That I may never know…..
only reason I figure is that it’s just like they did with Jeff: give him a few at bats here and there and see if he can get it together. If he can’t get it together I have to believe when Omar gets back he’s taking Norton’s place.
Tokyo Bravo
July 29th, 2009
12:15 am
Writers complain about any player who won’t speak after a loss. It doesn’t matter if they speak English, Spanish of Klingon
There’s a Klingon in the Bigs?!? Those dudes have a harder time escaping and getting asylum than the Cubans!
Probably plays for the Yankees- they sign everyone.
CrimeDog
July 29th, 2009
12:16 am
Tokyo Bravo-
Indeed, they have it rough. Custom hats are also required.
MiamiBrave
July 29th, 2009
12:16 am
Hello Denizens…
back from the game…sad ending obviously…after just cheering GA…I thought Soriano was a bit wild, but I’m seeing he might’ve been squeezed from you guys posted, dunno, can’t tell that much from the bullpen.
Just wanted to let you guys know, who don’t kno or haven’t seen, I was just in shock looking at Kris Medlen, dude is the smallest guy in the bullpen and looks like he’s a ballboy, just really funny cus I hadn’t seen the dude in person, he sticks out needless to say…especially when they made him wear a colorful backpack with PONIES on it on his way to his bullpen seat, HILARIOUS, he took it like a champ, wore it like a backpack both arms and skipped from the entrance to the bullpen. Funny stuff.
And I did not want to leave out the throw by CHURCH, that was sick watching in person, when you don’t think theres a chance in he11, and then a cannon throw to nail Uggla at third. Pretty cool…
Hopefully they can pull a win off on Josh Johnson.
BTW Spanish network interviewed Yunel asking him about rumors of his rift with Bobby Cox and he denied it and said he owe’s Bobby (his father/grandfather) everything for giving him his chance to play. Also stated that no one should ever behave like that with Bobby, that he doesn’t deserve it. FWIW
Go Braves!
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 2009
12:17 am
MFin04
Why would you start a guy at second base tonight that had a .000 batting average for the past two games? Because before that, he was hittig .310 for the year.
Same answer. You hit Norton, because you don’t believe in your heart he is a .120 hitter. He has hit better.
Now, I know. He has stunk it up for the whole year, right? OK, he has stunk it up for less than 50 AB’s.
Granted, my Prado example was a bit exaggerated. But, some of you folks criticizm of Norton is equally exaggerated.
Just let Bobby be the manager. He could give a rats azz what any of us think about his use of pinch hitters or the bullpen. If it bothers you folks that much, you need to just walk away and do something else. It’s always going to be something. You folks are glass half empty types. Never going to be happy.
If the Braves won the World Series, you’d probably find someone’s performance to critique.
Brightside
July 29th, 2009
12:17 am
Every time we get in a tough situation that calls for a pinch hitter, is there anyone else besides me thinking, man I wish Brooks Conrad was batting right now. That guy finds a way to get it done.
Roman Gal
July 29th, 2009
12:20 am
Any reports from down on the farm Roman Gal or others? Tokyo Brave
Jason Heyward and Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg are still ah-mazing! And Steve from OH’s guy, Milligan had a great game…including accounting for all 4 Rome runs by hitting a grand slam.
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 2009
12:21 am
And the nerve of that Bobby Cox for using Peter Moylan again. It’s like I have always said. Old Donk is going to bring in Moylan, and he brings bad karma to the team and we lose. It wasn’t Soriano’s fault. It was definitely Bobby’s fault!!!
braves fan lmh
July 29th, 2009
12:22 am
Do you guys think that Freddie Freeman, Kris Medlin, Luis Valdez, Manny Acosta, Cody Johnson, Kelly Johnson would be enough for Adrian Gonzalez?
Tokyo Bravo
July 29th, 2009
12:22 am
Crimedog,
Sure, you need the custom hats, but as I recall, they don’t require gloves. A screaming bullet from Escobar would merely elicit a chuckle from any barehanded Klingon first-bagger worth his salt.
Roman Gal
July 29th, 2009
12:23 am
You hit Norton, because you don’t believe in your heart he is a .120 hitter.
I certainly don’t believe that Norton has suddenly forgotten how to hit, and I’ve thought that he’s hit into a lot of bad luck most of the year…but lately, I’ve gotten pretty frustrated with him. It’s just not happening for him and I think it might be time to cut ties with him.
Wow…that feels really harsh.
Steve from OH
July 29th, 2009
12:24 am
And I heard MFIKY has a driver as well.
This is probably a good thing, as he’d be tempted to run over pedestrians had he been driving.
In all seriousness, a tough loss (I believe I even heard some expletives from McFann! Oh, and I see T-Hawkin’ is keeping Best Buy in business singlehandedly with his mishaps with the remote), but not a backbreaker. I was out and about after the 3rd inning, and well, if I was shocked when my blackberry was telling me that friggin’ Grandpa Loaf hit a homer, I was more shocked to see MFIKY give one up. Oh well, can’t save ‘em all. I was sorry to hear he dodged the media though. Pretty yellow.
Oh, and why is Cole Rohrbough so bad at pitching all of a sudden? Yeesh.
And Adam Milligan is a stud.
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 2009
12:26 am
Wishing and hoping for Brooks Conrad instead of Greg Norton huh? In my mind, not a lot of difference there. One career minor leaguer with a good month up, and another journeyman pinchhitter who’s had a bad run this year. I know about the “hot hand” thing. Like I have said about 25 times already. Not my call. Talk to Bobby and Frank.
Not like us sending up Diory Hernandez to pinch hit if Chipper Jones had a bad spell. You send Chipper no matter what.
Not the same, but similar.
Steve from OH
July 29th, 2009
12:26 am
Oh, and if you thought MFIKY’s mishap was a sure sign of the apocalypse, Robert’s 11:40 should leave no doubt in your mind. Where’s the nearest confessional? I hope the Priest has some time on his hands…
Mixxo
July 29th, 2009
12:27 am
I think Bobby used Greg in that spot because he was saving Kelly for a later spot.
Roman Gal
July 29th, 2009
12:27 am
I’m starting to wonder if the Braves have Media-Bashing parties or something. It seems like a lot of the players are getting frustrated with the media this year…more so than in years past. I know Chipper doesn’t like the NY media, but this is so strange!
NO MORE BOBBY
July 29th, 2009
12:28 am
I hope Peter Moylan got paid well this year because his arm will be worthless after the season.
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 2009
12:30 am
RG
Not harsh at all, really. I have been saying since Norton came back, that if he doesn’t get it together soon, he is gone.
He went down (up) to Gwinnett after his DL stint, and hit great. Like you said, he has hit into a lot of bad luck. Folks wouldn’t be so critical of him if Conrad was kept when KJ came back.
If Frank Wren would have sent Diory down instead of Conrad, you wouldn’t hear half this moaning and complaining about Norton.
Steve from OH
July 29th, 2009
12:31 am
Seems to me like they’ve got a buncha whiners, RG. Seriously folks, stand up and talk to the media, huh? Hey, gives me more respect for Gonzo and Kelly and Schafer for talking even during tough times. Can’t always go to Chip or Mac for a quote.
And why is the closer whining about never getting an interview? Dave always speaks glowingly of him and there really isn’t usually too much to ask him anyway…
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 2009
12:32 am
A little fearful for what the answer might be, what does MFIKY stand for. I think I missed the memo.
Steve from OH
July 29th, 2009
12:32 am
Glad to see you givin’ my dude a shout-out RG. This does not ruffle my feathers.
Roman Gal
July 29th, 2009
12:33 am
Oh, and why is Cole Rohrbough so bad at pitching all of a sudden?
You have to think something is wrong with him. He was good last year for MB. I wish I could watch him pitch. The ol’ BAA is a lot higher this year than in years past. It doesn’t really make sense…
CrimeDog
July 29th, 2009
12:34 am
Steve-
That is exactly my point from earlier. Braves players have two beat writers to deal with. They have it very easy when it comes to media.
Imagine being in Queens and having to deal with your GM sparring with a reporter at a press conference.
Wayne in Utah
July 29th, 2009
12:34 am
Could Soriano being doing this as some sort of “got your back” thing for Escobar. Kinda like, “they screwed you over compadre, so screw them”.
Roman Gal
July 29th, 2009
12:35 am
This does not ruffle my feathers.
Yesss…did you see that joke I made about Jordan Schafer’s ears earlier?
RHR
July 29th, 2009
12:35 am
You hit Norton, because you don’t believe in your heart he is a .120 hitter.
In close games you need to learn to tell your heart to STFU and listen to your head.
Good stuff, Miami fan.
Good point, Steve.
Hmmmm DOB got wise with MFIKY and hasn’t been heard from since a few minutes after the game. I wonder if MFIKY had a driver tonight…
TnBrian
July 29th, 2009
12:35 am
DOB, yeah but I’d almost give Soriano a pass for tonight. That hurt very bad. But, it does sound like he needs to learn some social skills or read because there hasn’t been one negative thing about him since ST.
RHR
July 29th, 2009
12:36 am
MFIKY does not care about Yunel’s back. But Yunel better keep an eye on MFIKY’s back.
Steve from OH
July 29th, 2009
12:37 am
.370 BABIP coupled with 4 walks per nine=ouch, RG. His FIP is 3.97 because he strikes out a good amount of batters and doesn’t give up too many homers…but still, can he be this unlucky or is he really that hittable? All of his “luck-driven” stats are completey bonkers in the wrong direction…hopefully it’s just that–bad luck.