1:53 pm July 28, 2009, by David O'Brien
July 28th, 200910:09 pm
Section 1, paragraph 5 of the baseball handbook says you cannot intentionally put the winning run on base in the bottom of the ninth… EVER.
Check the W-L column. Or the ERA. He’s toast.
Season aint over but winning this series…only if pigs fly in Miami.
July 28th, 200910:10 pm
Honestly.. that was the exact same pitch the umpire called a ball before that. Soriano had very little choice but to throw it down the middle, he did, and it was hit out of the park.
This game isn’t ending our season, I can’t believe anyone would say that. We could easily win this series, still…
I don’t know if anyone agrees? But I can swallow this loss a lot better than Game 3 of the Season…
The Homerun Didn’t bother me that much but the Walk and the F’d Up Non-calls Set Me Off…
And I’m Still Hot Thinking about It!
I hate to be negative but we will be out of any race by the trade deadline unless Wren boosts the Pen
Well, at least Colorado lost and we are still 3 games out of the wild card lead, could be worse I guess, Hopefully Phillies lose and we stay right where we are. Sucks to lose like that, but what can you do.
July 28th, 200910:11 pm
the Braves seem to lose games like this ALOT in Florida over the years
The Bird and Indian
Joebrave has never been on here when the Braves win.
Time to see what these Braves are really made of. The rest of this series will tell.
Dan in NJ
Umps should get penalized for bad calls. Players pay for doing wrong. So should the umps. Guys play their tales off the whole freakin night….just to get screwed in the end. Not right. Soriano had NO chance. I’d say give Umps 3 strikes…then a fine or suspension.
This Series will not be an easy win…This Place has always been a house of Horrors for the Braves!
KamaKaze Will Tire Out by the 4th Inning Tomorrow, “Bank On It!” Especially in the S. Florida Humidity
That last pitch was badly located by Soriano but when you aren’t getting strikes called. Thought they might pitch around him to go for the DP but probably did not want to put the game winning run on base. Whatever, frankly i’m tired of seeing our pitchers not get that low strike call. We need that with pitchers like Lowe, Jurrjens, and Kawakami. To me I don’t see why it is so hard to call a low strike anymore. That 3rd strike he called on Mac didn’t even come back to the plate, but a low strike right over the middle most just don’t call it, I don’t understand it.
July 28th, 200910:12 pm
Yeah, there always seem to be lots of Braves fans at these Marlin games.
Dan In NJ
July 28th, 200910:13 pm
you are kidding right? Have one of the most dominant closers currently in baseball walk Ross Gload? I think theres a bit of hindsight involved. I’m not gonna call Bobby a bad manager for not walking Ross Gload.
I hate losing….what can I say?
Professional MLB teams don’t walk guys in the ninth!
Jake That 3rd strike he called on Mac didn’t even come back to the plate
No, it didn’t.
2 more K’s tonight, oh boy! Way to follow that 3-4 game!
We are 0-4 in FLA, need to end that tomorrow, although I have little confidence in KK. Although that big hick Johnson is due for a rough night.
July 28th, 200910:14 pm
Those were strikes and he should have not been in that situation,however, once placed in that situation–and though it runs counter to the “BOOK”–instruct your pitcher not to give in to Gload and go after the two rookies.
Does anyone think it’s an accident that with 3 hall of Fame pitchers, the 3rd greatest switch hitter in history and a clear competitive edge in a division made up of 40 percent Marlins and Expos that the Atlanta Baseball Braves were able to win one less World Series than the Florida Marlins in about 33 more playoff appearances??
Felt Like Watching Rasslin. The Infamous WWF “Montreal Screw Job of 1997″ Comes to Mind after watching the Replays…!
gotta say as soon u throw 4 straight balls to start the inning i knew this ballgame was over in the 9th.. but will say that umpire didnt call one strike. there were 4 pitches atleast were over the plate and strikes. leadoff walks kill you.. and when u grove a fat meatball down the middle buhhh bye.. and gload just crushed that pitch.. just have to say soriano got squeezed and when u walk people you will pay, but come on the marlins SUCK.. and this team needs to make a move for a hitter.. with this team right now. dont see it making the playoffs.. they have the starting pitching and a decent bullpen can use another reliable reliever and another hitter.. and with kawakami up tomm chalk it down another game in the standings.. 51-50 after tomm. hudson needs to be back in the rotation as soon as he can and is ready.. kawakami has done zip…
July 28th, 200910:15 pm
It was either walk him or throw meatballs and hope he swung late or early…the ump wasn’t about to call anything a strike. I just wished he’d walked that guy. Or that Greg Norton was a PH for the Marlins.
TnJeff, I can smell you from where I’m at. You smell like a** so my advice to you it take a shower and maybe it’ll clear your head a little, son.
the Braves best chance for getting to the playoffs is through the Wild Card, they’re 3 games back and Colorado lost
The season isn’t over. Marlins may have won tonight (might win tomorrow) but after tonight we’ve still got 12 games left with them
The A Bomb
July 28th, 200910:16 pm
You think a 5-foot-2 ump can call the low pitch. . .
Meals tonight. . . Hohn tomorrow? Darling on the bases? The crew from hell. All they need is Angel Hernandez! Ugh!
Even money on a Cox ejection this series.
It’s very fustrating watching a team who has no imagination and no fire. The game has passed by B. Cox and everyone knows it but for some reason no one talks about it. He continues to send up to bat a guy batting .125 to pinch hit in key game situations time after time with zero results. Can we not find a decent pinch hitter? Whenever the game comes down to stategy, the Braves lose . Do we really want to win or not?
The strike zone has shrunk considerably all across the MLB, the hitters have a huge advantage now, when was the last time you saw so many bases loaded walks in MLB? The strike zone is the size of a peanut, that is what makes tonight so frustrating, a pitchers umpire, then he shrinks the zone in the bottom of the ninth.
July 28th, 200910:17 pm
At least with KK, we’ll get lit up like a Christmas tree. Those losses are much easier to swallow than this.
July 28th, 200910:18 pm
Gee that loss was painful.
Ump was making Soriano pitch to a cereal box sized strike zone.
Difference From the Phillies and Braves W-L records…? Phillies have yet to have bad luck in games like we have had all season…
Baseball is all about luck people
Mark Buehrle is a perfect example! Perfect games are due to luck more than anything!
So so bad. I wish that hadn’t happened.
I really wanted to hear what GA sounds like. I’ve never heard the guy talk once. I waiting for him to hit a game winning homerun so he could do a post-game interview.
If we can win the next two it would be huge. Not sure if that’s going to happen.
I wish I knew what to expect from KK tomorrow. I don’t feel too good about it.
Man, that would have been a good win. I feel like Yunel and Kotchman got a little impatient after GA’s homer. They should have made the guy work a little more. Yunel missed the pitch he popped up, he could have put a better swing on it.
I would like to see us try to bunt when we get the lead-off runner on like Nate when he got hit. That was a wasted opportunity.
We can’t give up. That was just a cheap little gift at the end. They didn’t earn it.
Soriano is solid, I guess it was bound to happen. Better than having Gonzo or Peter give up the bomb.
We deserved to win. They got lucky.
lou vales good point… they should of won against the yankees and twins but choked…
why the hell can’t the braves beat the marlins?
Zephyr 8, I didn’t say you start out walking Gload but once he got squeezed(and He Did) to 3-1, you get your FAT A## out there and tell your Horse–”Son, let’s be careful with this guy. The reports say we can overpower the next two and if you do Ramirez does not bat”
Co-Sign, ON your last post about being blown out…!
TnBrian, why don’t you take your little turd lapper Bird and Indian and shove both you’re heads up your arses, It’s little B@stards like you two that flame others. If you don’t like what I post, just skip over and don’t respond, otherwise I will postt what ever the hell I want PUNKS!!!!
July 28th, 200910:19 pm
I remember a few years ago they expanded/defined the strike zone as right below the knees to the letters… what happened to those days?
Gotta try to just win 2 of 3 on the road…If not, can’t get swept..
We are 0-4 in FLA, need to end that tomorrow
Actually, after that loss they’re 2-1 in Florida. DLowe got the win in Fla on May 6 and JJ got the win May 7
We had unbelievable luck for 15 years, just not in the WS ….
July 28th, 200910:20 pm
BOTTOM LINE….THe Braves should’ve won but didn’t….3 runs aren’t gonna win a lot of games…Braves need another BAT
July 28th, 200910:21 pm
You are right ChurchMan, looked at the schedule wrong.
This loss hurts, but the Braves have got to bounce back tomorrow. We are right in the middle of the wild card and I believe thats our best chance to make the playoffs. We fall to 3rd but the Marlins are just such an up and down team they probably won’t sustain this play. they fell flat on their face to the Phillies but got on a hot streak out west. The Braves have been winning by playing complete games. We got 2 homeruns tonight but didn’t hit well with RISP. Not to mention that defensive misplay by Anderson. Got to do the little things. Josh Johnson will be tough but who knows, maybe he is off his game.
I’m Just Gonna Start Calling BS Calls By The Umps A Conspiracy Theory Against Bobby Cox…! Especially Since He is on so many Umpires S…+-List
The last 2 years have been the worst Umpiring Leaguewide I have ever seen
July 28th, 200910:22 pm
This was a deflating loss for sure.
Team played hard tonight, against one of the hottest SP in all of baseball (as of late) in Nolasco.
Jair didn’t have his best stuff, battled through. Braves missed some chances early on to get more early runs, you can always look back to that.
Strike zone was inconsistant for BOTH teams.
Soriano just had an “off night”. It sucks. He’s been so good for a long time now that you come to expect it but nights like that are bound to happen.
Hard loss but let’s not hang our heads down, Team has been playing good ball.
Tomorrow’s game it’s all up to Kawakami. He has to step up against the Marlins Ace. We need 7 good innings out of Kenshin. EARN that paycheck!
You know, Tomahawkin, I get so tired of hearing that same, lame attempt at humor (misspelled each time, btw) that is “KamaKaze,” as well as hearing the same, lame, “I’m simply going to willfully ignore any statistical evidence that says otherwise” claims about the way Kawakami has pitched. He’s a gamer, and the numbers bear that out. Period.
And please, you’ve obviously not been to Japan if you don’t know what a sauna this place is in the summer. South Florida will hold no surprises for Kawakami weather-wise.
Hey, maybe he’ll pitch terribly tomorrow, I dunno, thereby justifying your image of the guy. Then again, maybe we’ll get a typical 6IP 2R effort that keeps us in the game.
In fact, bank on it
I bet Paul is busy composing a 19 paragraph synopsis on what the braves did wrong and what Frank Wren needs to do.
July 28th, 200910:23 pm
Just can’t walk the leadoff hitter in the 9th up by 1.
July 28th, 200910:24 pm
You can tell I’ve watched the Marlins a “few” times. Coghlin and Bonafacio don’t touch Soriano, and before you say that’s second guessing–Well, No it’s not!! DOB can tell you what everyone who covers the Marlins will tell him, pitch to Coghlin and Bonafacio in that situation. Don’t give in to Gload–who is a very good, but unknown hitter.
I Speak For Most On Here!
I could Not Be a Manager, Because after that I would Ran out onto the field and Game the HomePlate Ump A-”Bootin” DDT!
I don’t know how D.O.B. Keeps his composure…There Must be some nice Latin Chicas to ease his mind after losses like this…
July 28th, 200910:25 pm
Well said, Tokyo BRavo!
July 28th, 200910:26 pm
I think B-Macc Will Be the Next One To Explode on the Umps! Much Like Chipper did in Boston
July 28th, 200910:27 pm
RHR “Or that Greg Norton was a PH for the Marlins.”
I know, the way he is hitting he can’t be your number 1 off the bench. I was a little shocked when I saw our resident Marlins killer wasn’t playing, but he could have used Diaz in that position. I believe it was a lefty pitching or if it was a righty they could have used Johnson. Both are far and away better than Norton right now. It would be great if he could regain his form from last season, but at this point in the season(second half) I don’t know how much more patient you can be.
The Norton thing just isn’t working out, but not to worry BC will figure it out in December!
July 28th, 200910:28 pm
I’m pretty close to being over that one.
Look at it this way, Gonzo and Moylan are looking better than Soriano. I guess that’s good.
I’m over it. Definitely not watching SportsCenter or MLB for about two days though. No highlights.
” You know, Tomahawkin, I get so tired of hearing that same, lame attempt at humor (misspelled each time, btw) that is “KamaKaze,” as well as hearing the same, lame, “I’m simply going to willfully ignore any statistical evidence that says otherwise” ”
Good, You Are Free To Do as you Please…?
If I’m Offending You Let Me Know And I will kill that Nickname…?
Chris, Braves weren’t “LUCKY”–They were VERY GOOD!! They also had advantage of playing in a division with two teams without money(except Marlins one year and you see what happens when the Marlins ACTUALLY have money) one team that was run about ineptly as possible(Mutts) so they basically dominated the Phillies for over a decade to assure a playoff spot. Imagine the Georgia Bulldogs winning 14 straight SEc East Divisions and parlaying that into 1!!!!!! SEC Championship. Think the residents of Georgia would be calling for Richt’s Hall of fame Induction??
July 28th, 200910:29 pm
TWHG – you are exactly right. The game tomorrow is huge for the Braves. How will they respond to this last inning loss? If they come out with fire tomorrow we will be in good shape. If we hang our heads then tonight could be a season changer.
Closers blow it sometimes….Closer for the Red Sox PAPELBON just gave up 3 runs in the Top 9th to the A’s….7-7 in Top 9th
July 28th, 200910:31 pm
Would anybody else have felt more comfortable with Jurrjens hitting for himself in the 6th? Even if he was still coming out? Good grief, Greg Norton.
If we were in Atlanta we would have won that. Soriano would have set them down.
Hey, at least he didn’t throw like 25 pitches.
July 28th, 200910:32 pm
Brian, “Fire” doesn’t count for much in baseball. Starting pitcher and a rested closer along with a modicum of baseball instincts and ability to follow a scouting report count for a lot more.
Sweet Lord, Jurrjens is even slugging higher than Greg Norton.
July 28th, 200910:33 pm
Don’t you mean 1 NAtional Championship? After all the BRaves did win it all one year, didn’t they? BUt I get your point.
OK, I’m a little over the initial shock of this one…finally.
I”l be back on tomorrow with my renowned sense of positivity.
Mitchell, You win if you pitch to Coghlin and Bonafacio. Look it up.
Keep In Mind that I have Little Symphaty For a Ballplayer that Drives a Maserati to work everyday…
And that Goes for all ballplayers not Just Japanese Ones, Since you want to pull the Culture/Race Card!
July 28th, 200910:35 pm
8 back after tonight because the Phils don’t lose anymore.
You could tell early on Soriano wasn’t himself. Looked more like last year’s version. I never want to see that again!
July 28th, 200910:36 pm
Yes Soriano would have probably faired better against those two but when you aren’t getting the calls on Ross and Gload why would he got the calls on either those two. Thats how he walked Ross and fell behind to Gload. When you have to groove one it doesn’t really matter who is at the plate. Marlins know how to hit the fastball but throw Jamie Moyer at them and he could toss a shutout. I know, Soriano should have just gone to straight off speed stuff. Would have been the ball game.
Monty, You are EXACTLY right. I should have used National Championship in my analogy. Imagine the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Cardinals doing what the Braves did with the same skipper every year. Think those cities press corps enshrine the manager?? Right!!!
July 28th, 200910:38 pm
I don’t know how D.O.B. Keeps his composure…There Must be some nice Latin Chicas to ease his mind after losses like this
LMAO you kill me when you imagine DOB’s life. Anyway, latinas or not, I doubt DOB cares one way or another if the Braves win or lose. He’s just doing a job…this year its for the Braves, few years ago it was for the Marlins, in a few years down the road it might be for the Phillies or Mets. IDK about Dave but most people who work in sports media are more a fans of individual players rather than individual teams.
Jake, When you have to “groove” one, it really does matter who is at the plate. I want to groove one to Norton and if I’m not getting calls pitch around Escobar.
Have the Mets just won 4 straight? 5.5 behind the Wild Card leading Rockies w/o Wagner, Delgado, Reyes, Beltran, Putz & Maine? Francoeur, 16 RBIs in 14 games, a “team leader” per the NY Mets fans blogs. They love him!
One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.
July 28th, 200910:39 pm
July 28th, 200910:40 pm
RHR, Nailed it again. I really doubt if DOB is a big FANatic of a team with some guy who punked him over doing his job.
July 28th, 200910:42 pm
I won’t say I’m exactly offended by the nickname, but I guess it’s just not funny to me. Ah, I guess I’ve just lived here too long, but the term just brings up the image of kids blowing themselves up out of a misplaced sense of duty to country. Those were sad times here, man.
Oh, don’t worry about it- it’s all good here on the blog with fellow denizens. I appreciate your fire about the Braves.
Any reports from down on the farm Roman Gal or others?
July 28th, 200910:43 pm
“LMAO you kill me when you imagine DOB’s life. Anyway, latinas or not, I doubt DOB cares one way or another if the Braves win or lose. He’s just doing a job…”
I know…D.O.B. has deadlines to meet at this time of night…And That’s Probably what he’s doing right now…
However On A Side Note, Some People take things Way too seriously on here…
July 28th, 200910:44 pm
I like everyone else, wish the Braves had capitalized more than they did. And I do place much of the blame on BC. But that said, I was looking back over the Dodger’s seasons in the last 20 years or so and for two periods one of 5 and one 7 years they didn’t even go to the playoffs. THat once proud organization. At least we were there.
Ok, Cool I will kill the Nickname Then…
And BTW Kamakaze Is the Name of An Album…Just So that you know…Some Old “Twista”
Keep In Mind that I have Little Symphaty For a Ballplayer that Drives a Maserati to work everyday
That? Is hilarious. Most ballplayers don’t drive Ford trucks like Chipper. Most of them have maserati-ish cars. Andruw Jones had a Bentley and a driver for pete’s sake. And I heard MFIKY has a driver as well.
July 28th, 200910:45 pm
I’m not claiming to have special powers but I just felt something bad about this game, even after Garret’s HR. I’m serious, something felt wrong about this game from the start and it sickens me that it turned out true.
July 28th, 200910:46 pm
season is definitely not over…..but that hurt.
The ump was squeezing the crap out of Soriano……nothing more he could do but to serve it on a platter to Gload.
Sir, my argument wasn’t about race- rather, simply that the nickname struck me as lame and lazy.
The majority of the post argued that statistically, while KK hasn’t pitched as deep into games as most of us would like, he’s certainly kept us in games, often against the other team’s frontline pitcher (starts against Halladay ansd Santana come to mind).
That’s all, man.
Lou Vales, If he had to groove one to Coghlin and he hits a double like he did off of Jurrjens fastball. Its one thing when you are locating your fastball down or out and away, but when you have to groove one right in the middle of the strike zone, trust me. Anyone in that lineup could have hit it. Besides, like I said, Marlins know how to hit the fastball. They’ve shown us that over the years, but off speed pitches they struggle with. Soriano should have gone with something off speed. i just don’t know if he could have located it well. Oh well, game over. Lets move on to tomorrow.
Tomahawkin – I like you, not trying to call you out .You crack me up.
You can bet that D.O.B. becomes Fans of certain players, like Prado…
Regardless of what team he’s on…We’ll maybe the Mets or yankees…But that’s my own personal bias…
July 28th, 200910:47 pm
I know…I had to set Some things Straight…Not with you however…
July 28th, 200910:48 pm
The late, lamented Frenchy’s stats with the Kings of Flushing:
3 HR, 15 RBI, .327 average in 13 games.
Where the hell was that guy for the last 237 games in a Braves uniform?
Got any feelings about the Lottery?
July 28th, 200910:49 pm
Whaddya know? Just got home to see our Braves fail AGAIN to get 4 games over .500.
9 Games back in the loss column
Hi there Braves fans. Where are the Homers who said the Phillies stunk and were catchable?
July 28th, 200910:50 pm
Frenchy got off to a hot start with us too, then he struggled. Don’t care to see an update on Frenchy every night as he does not play for us. Mets are on a nice little run, doubt they sustain it. Things are great with him right now, good to see. But overall I could really care less anymore. He’s a met now. Let’s move on.
July 28th, 200910:51 pm
Those numbers don’t include tonights game. 1-3, RBI and HBP. Average is probably now .330 with 16 RBI.
Didn’t Church hit into a couple of DPs tonight? Frenchy must have been a head case like Dye and DeRosa.
July 28th, 200910:52 pm
I think It was LeBron James That Set Me Off years ago about Athlete’s having a “F-U” Attitude and Making it a statement as a “Slap In the Face” to the General Public to purchase cars and other crap like that…
Oh Yea Stupid Shows like MTV Cribs “Does That Crap still come On…?” Added to my resentment of stuff like that…
I have no Compassion What-So-Ever when Entertainers go Bankrupt after getting involved into dumb spending like that…
Where are the Homers who said the Phillies stunk and were catchable?
Haven’t seen nobody like that here.
N8, I’ve noticed that 4 games over .500 thing after you mentioned it several days ago.
WHere was that guy in a Braves uniform?
Listening to TP. No, who knows! Wonder who or what he gives the credit to? My guess would be just a new change of scenery and a new attitude.
July 28th, 200910:54 pm
This is the first time I’ve ever posted on Francoeur. The Mets are one of our rivals for the WC spot. I hope we didn’t trade them what they needed to go on a run.
Could just be a hot streak, or it could be that with the “Hometown Hero” thing gone, he’s pressing a lot less.
Thirteen games is a good run, but I’ll be interested to see how he handles his first slump up there. NY isn’t exactly the most fun place to be if the fans decide you’re not producing to expectations.
Personally, I wish the kid the best of luck (except against the Braves, of course).
Sorry McFann, guess there’s no way to forget that loss then huh?
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