Norton = Automatic Out. But at least its off the bench, one out, as opposed to Frenchy when he was 3 or 4 outs as a starter. Norton should be released immediately. Canizares would be a better pinch-hitter.
However, you conveniently forget about Garret’s 16 year body of work.
Oh, you mean his career .337 wOBA (marginally above average, and worse than Kelly’s career mark) and 0.5 UZR/150 in the outfield? Yeah, like I missed that. On the contrary, I think you missed it. Bye bye.
Norton is done i think he should just do the right thing and retire after the game the last thing a pinch hitter is suppost to do is strike out and he continues to ……
For crying out we need that guy. Are we ever going to have a full season with both he and Prado?
It almost doesn’t even seem fair that we should have two equally talented guys who are ostensibly bench players but are good enought to play just about anywhere.
I guess that’s why we’ve been deprived of having them play the full year healthy at the same time.
Rob from SC……it doesnt surprise me. It happens to good players all the time. That is why I dont trip when they struggle. When they turn it around, they TURN it around.
Also, I’ve seen enough of a player like Diaz to not trip on some of his “wild man swings”. There will come a time later in the game when he will RIP one is a critical situation.
I am sympathetic to the Greg Norton story, but it is time for him to go. All you have to do these days is throw a fast ball around the letters, and he has a gaping hole in his swing.
Steve from OH: You are a KJ and Greg Norton fan? And you have the nerve to try and criticize GA by ‘comparing him to the rest of the league’? Puh-leese. You cannot be serious. KJ stinks compared to Prado let along the other 2B in the league. Norton stinks compared to anybody (including my sorry hitting self).
GA was a great pickup given our reluctance to spend any real dollars and due to our desire to have someone hold the fort until the AA level outfield prospects we have are ready for the Show.
Why oh why do we keep Nrton. He WAS good, but time for Brooks Conrad, Brroks Robinson or even Robert Conrad. Bye Bye. What would Jackie Gleason say to Audrey Meadows about POW to the moon. Thats were Greg Norton needs to be
Steve, you never did say who you would rather trade? Or did you say it and I just missed it?
At this point, I’d probably trade Kelly (if the Braves’ scouts are telling me good things about Prado’s swing and pitch recognition, think he can hit righties consistently, play average defense, etc., which I think he can) because Prado will make the league minimum and is really impressing the hell out of me right now. If they decide to keep Kelly we’ll know why though.
Steve from OH………….The Braves have above average production at the catcher and shortstop positions. For what we are playing Anderson, I feel that his production is just fine.
However, for what we are paying Kelly (which is $325K more), what we are getting SUCKS.
I just tuning into this blog…and I am amazed how down everyone is on Kelly Johnson. Yes…he was in a awful slump, but players go through that.
If you look at the relatively short time he has been an everyday 2nd baseman (2yrs) . He has hit
276 and 287, respectively with16 and then 12 hrs. I don’t, but i believe that would be above average offensive numbers for a 2nd baseman in NL?????
Jesus H. Christ people, I am NOT a Greg Norton fan. How do y’all get these crazy ideas? Did I not advocate cutting Norton and keeping Conrad, after all?
KJ stinks compared to Prado let along the other 2B in the league.
Are ya sure? Because his career numbers are better than the league which, unless I’m mistaken, include second basemen…
I think we can all agree that Mr. Norton’s time will be up when Infante returns (hopefully). There is no good reason for Bobby to continue to beat this dead horse. He CLEARLY doesn’t have it anymore and to put Norton in crucial pinch hitting situations is a travesty. Please cut him now!
Steve from OH………….I bet that if you went around baseball and asked all the GMs whose career numbers they would rather have on their team, Garret would win by a LANDSLIDE.
Hell, you’d be hard pressed to find a GM who would take Kelly over Garret right now.
game in the bag , but still would be cool just to bring Chipper out with sacs full to go ahead and put the icing on the cake and blow out the candles as well
Tomahawkin’: I don’t really care if RHR is a woman or more of a man than you are. And I can post on this blog whenever and say whatever and if you don’t like being called out, then don’t call GA a loaf. If you can’t stand the temperature, then sit this one out, partner.
Paul Lentz: Don’t try to talk any sense into Steve from OH as he doesn’t have room for any rational thoughts in his tiny brain about players he doesn’t care for and besides facts are too complicated for him.
McFann’s Mann is getting it done today, huh? I’m a late entry due to church, late lunch with friends, etc. Good to see the boys bounce back from last night.
Earlier Braves announcers were trying to remember when a Brewer last won a Gold Glove, and it was Robin Yount in 1984. Except for the big guy playing first today, and we know he will not win one today, they sure have exhibited poor defense. Something along the Gross Glove award.
deano54: remember last year KJ got hot after the Braves were already out of it…. the Braves want to be a premier NL team and he is not a premier 2B-man.
I was a tad bit worried about the DP, too, ’cause he hadn’t hit one in a while. Shoulda saved his homer…but, huh, 3-4 ain’t bad. Just stinks the out had to come with the bags full.
Thanks Steve, I think that’s you agreeing with us that KJ get’s the fresh start?
Of course since you qualified the heck out of you answer, let’s say we keep KJ at second(with Bobby, it’s very possible) how would you go about trading Prado then for help? How would you get around the salary limit?
Or would you trade Infante? He has a higher salary point.
As GM, you have to listen to your scouts, but you also have o listen to the beancounters too, right?
2,867 comments Add your comment
Tomahawkin
July 26th, 2009
4:22 pm
Send Naw-Ton To AAA NOW!
Rob from SC
July 26th, 2009
4:22 pm
are we a better team woth Prado at 1B, and Kelly at 2B
Roja
July 26th, 2009
4:22 pm
Not a lot of 1st basemen that are a defensive upgrade for Kotch. No errors as a Brave
ChurchMan
July 26th, 2009
4:22 pm
even with the best of excuses you can’t justify Norton being on this team
Paul Lentz
July 26th, 2009
4:22 pm
I think that Norton was trying to golf that pitch. Pathetic.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 26th, 2009
4:22 pm
I think ol Greggy boy…knows his days are numbered
UNCBrave
July 26th, 2009
4:22 pm
Tell me why Greg Norton is not DFA YET???? I WANT TO UNDERSTAND!!!!!
woogidy
July 26th, 2009
4:22 pm
SOB. McLouth is on my Fantasy team. I needed those RBI’s. Shiza
Jman (Yunel is a Saint!)
July 26th, 2009
4:22 pm
How is Norton still getting a paycheck from the Braves? Conrad should have been kept and Norton released…
BravesFaninMD
July 26th, 2009
4:23 pm
C’mon Martin!
The_Superhoo
July 26th, 2009
4:23 pm
Norton K’s again. Maybe we’re hoping to use him as an extra player in a trade? And if not, will release him after the Deadline passes?
Soph
July 26th, 2009
4:23 pm
RHR – yeah “dude”! Don’t dish it if you can’t take it.
OptimisticInTexas
July 26th, 2009
4:23 pm
Norton = Automatic Out. But at least its off the bench, one out, as opposed to Frenchy when he was 3 or 4 outs as a starter. Norton should be released immediately. Canizares would be a better pinch-hitter.
Wolfman
July 26th, 2009
4:23 pm
Norton cannot even get a flyball or groundball to the right side. This guy needs to go no later when Omar returns.
Steve from OH
July 26th, 2009
4:23 pm
However, you conveniently forget about Garret’s 16 year body of work.
Oh, you mean his career .337 wOBA (marginally above average, and worse than Kelly’s career mark) and 0.5 UZR/150 in the outfield? Yeah, like I missed that. On the contrary, I think you missed it. Bye bye.
VaBraveFan
July 26th, 2009
4:23 pm
Norton is done i think he should just do the right thing and retire after the game the last thing a pinch hitter is suppost to do is strike out and he continues to ……
Heath
July 26th, 2009
4:23 pm
Prado gonna get a chance with the bases juiced!
Rob from SC
July 26th, 2009
4:23 pm
sad to see Smoltz pitch so badly
N Nine
July 26th, 2009
4:23 pm
I wish we had Brooks Conrad batting instead of N@o#r%t&O*N
Steve from OH
July 26th, 2009
4:24 pm
Oh, wait, I forgot this:
(That’s me laughing at you)
Mitchell
July 26th, 2009
4:24 pm
I can’t wait til we get Omar back.
For crying out we need that guy. Are we ever going to have a full season with both he and Prado?
It almost doesn’t even seem fair that we should have two equally talented guys who are ostensibly bench players but are good enought to play just about anywhere.
I guess that’s why we’ve been deprived of having them play the full year healthy at the same time.
Speaking of…
Nova Scotia Steve
July 26th, 2009
4:24 pm
But I will say this it is very difficult to come of the bench for maybe one AB each game…
The only problem is….is that its Greg Norton’s job to come off the bench for maybe one AB a game…
And this year…he doesn’t have it…when you can’t hit a fastball in ANY league…its time to say good-bye
Mixxo
July 26th, 2009
4:24 pm
C’mon Marteeen, back to your old tricks here !
McFann ;Ô;
July 26th, 2009
4:24 pm
Prado with ducks on the pond!
Tomahawkin
July 26th, 2009
4:24 pm
All I’m Saying Is…?
I can tell You are A Frontrunning Rooking on this Blog…!
RHR is a Woman and she is a veteran on this blog As Am I
You might need to get familiar with the posters on this blog before you start calling people out…
Cactus Jack
July 26th, 2009
4:24 pm
Yeah I like Garko. Dude is halarious whenever he is on Rome’s show
Mitchell
July 26th, 2009
4:24 pm
Send ‘em home Martin.
JasonInFL
July 26th, 2009
4:24 pm
Wow, Rosenthal is reporting that the Dodgers are in serious discussions to bring both Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez to LA…wow!
Paul Lentz
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
Rob from SC……it doesnt surprise me. It happens to good players all the time. That is why I dont trip when they struggle. When they turn it around, they TURN it around.
Also, I’ve seen enough of a player like Diaz to not trip on some of his “wild man swings”. There will come a time later in the game when he will RIP one is a critical situation.
monty
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
Everyone who said the Conrad demotion and the Norton keep was not a “big deal”, WEll??
HATinGA
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
Why is Nortan back up he is batting .125 and strikes out regularly!!
Wolfman
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
If KJ continues to hit, I would not mind him to be a pinch hitter. He is at least better than Norton.
VaBraveFan
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
We should have used Chipper in Nortons spot or right now for prado the Brews would have never seen it coming!!!
Rodney Derrick
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
I am sympathetic to the Greg Norton story, but it is time for him to go. All you have to do these days is throw a fast ball around the letters, and he has a gaping hole in his swing.
RHR
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
Ya! Too bad it won’t count as a hit.
BravesFanChris24
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
Way to go Prado
Rob from SC
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
give Prado a SAC Fly
All I'm Saying Is...
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
Steve from OH: You are a KJ and Greg Norton fan? And you have the nerve to try and criticize GA by ‘comparing him to the rest of the league’? Puh-leese. You cannot be serious. KJ stinks compared to Prado let along the other 2B in the league. Norton stinks compared to anybody (including my sorry hitting self).
GA was a great pickup given our reluctance to spend any real dollars and due to our desire to have someone hold the fort until the AA level outfield prospects we have are ready for the Show.
Mixxo
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
We’ll take it !
BravesFaninMD
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
That’s why you put the ball in play!!!!!
Soph
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
We’ll take it! Marteeeeeeeen!
Boo-birds out in full force.
Paul Lentz
July 26th, 2009
4:26 pm
Prado still gets credited with a sacrifice fly and an RBI. Nice at-bat by Prado.
Tomahawkin
July 26th, 2009
4:26 pm
Yea We Will take that…
And All I’m Saying is
I meant to say that you are probably a rookie on this blog…!
Virginia Ranger
July 26th, 2009
4:26 pm
Why oh why do we keep Nrton. He WAS good, but time for Brooks Conrad, Brroks Robinson or even Robert Conrad. Bye Bye. What would Jackie Gleason say to Audrey Meadows about POW to the moon. Thats were Greg Norton needs to be
Nice catch Jody
Cactus Jack
July 26th, 2009
4:26 pm
The sun was in his eyes
Mitchell
July 26th, 2009
4:26 pm
I just made a noise I’ve never made before.
It was like “YEAHOOHHHYEAAAHHAHHH”!
The_Superhoo
July 26th, 2009
4:26 pm
Bout time for one of those to fall for us. Too bad it wasn’t in a critical part of the game.
McFann ;Ô;
July 26th, 2009
4:26 pm
Whoo-hoo! Keep ‘em coming!
Roja
July 26th, 2009
4:27 pm
Shoulda resigned Hampton. He can out hit Norton and he out pitched Santana on Friday, too.
Heath
July 26th, 2009
4:27 pm
Hmmm
Steve from OH
July 26th, 2009
4:27 pm
Steve, you never did say who you would rather trade? Or did you say it and I just missed it?
At this point, I’d probably trade Kelly (if the Braves’ scouts are telling me good things about Prado’s swing and pitch recognition, think he can hit righties consistently, play average defense, etc., which I think he can) because Prado will make the league minimum and is really impressing the hell out of me right now. If they decide to keep Kelly we’ll know why though.
Mitchell
July 26th, 2009
4:27 pm
I thought he nailed it though. I mean he did but I thought it was going over the guy’s head.
A walk would be nice.
Soph
July 26th, 2009
4:27 pm
We’ll take that one too! Good eye Esco!
Rob from SC
July 26th, 2009
4:27 pm
Will Escobar get to 100 RBI’s
Yes or No
Mixxo
July 26th, 2009
4:27 pm
Way to be patient Yunel.
BravesFaninMD
July 26th, 2009
4:28 pm
Great AB by Yunel….. easy to get anxious there with the bases loaded.
Tomahawkin
July 26th, 2009
4:28 pm
Time For a Blow-Out here, Lets Do This!
Cactus Jack
July 26th, 2009
4:28 pm
Jason, Did Rosenthal say they would have to send Russell Martin to Cleveland in that deal?
Heath
July 26th, 2009
4:28 pm
Granny for McCann?
Paul Lentz
July 26th, 2009
4:28 pm
Steve from OH………….The Braves have above average production at the catcher and shortstop positions. For what we are playing Anderson, I feel that his production is just fine.
However, for what we are paying Kelly (which is $325K more), what we are getting SUCKS.
Tomahawkin
July 26th, 2009
4:28 pm
The SuperHoo
I will Co-Sign On your last post…!
Virginia Ranger
July 26th, 2009
4:28 pm
There is something different about these guys since the break. Mateeen, Conrad, I donb’t know. Even Frenchy was showing some life.
When Omar and Tim get back, we do have a chance at the Wild Card. There seems to be some contagient (how’s that for a word) for this winning
Soph
July 26th, 2009
4:28 pm
Aww, that Brewers fan looked so depressed! It’s ok guy, go get ‘em tomorrow.
BravesFaninMD
July 26th, 2009
4:28 pm
Yes Yunel > 100 RBI and the team leader by year’s end.
Mixxo
July 26th, 2009
4:29 pm
Classic look on that fan.
Mitchell
July 26th, 2009
4:29 pm
Fun.
Watch your backs Brewers!
You can have the hype, we’ll just take the W.
Roja
July 26th, 2009
4:29 pm
Looks like “loaf” is how they play CF and RF for the Brewers today.
FEAR
July 26th, 2009
4:29 pm
were dusting these guys……. oh an greg norton should be selling used cars in tampa not palying major league ball.
deano54
July 26th, 2009
4:29 pm
I just tuning into this blog…and I am amazed how down everyone is on Kelly Johnson. Yes…he was in a awful slump, but players go through that.
If you look at the relatively short time he has been an everyday 2nd baseman (2yrs) . He has hit
276 and 287, respectively with16 and then 12 hrs. I don’t, but i believe that would be above average offensive numbers for a 2nd baseman in NL?????
Tomahawkin
July 26th, 2009
4:29 pm
Time For a Slam By B-Macc
Swing For the Fences Here!
Nova Scotia Steve
July 26th, 2009
4:29 pm
C’mon B-Mac…let’s get our first GS
JasonInFL
July 26th, 2009
4:29 pm
No, the article states Loney, one of their young pitchers, and prospects. It doesn’t mention Martin.
Steve from OH
July 26th, 2009
4:29 pm
Jesus H. Christ people, I am NOT a Greg Norton fan. How do y’all get these crazy ideas? Did I not advocate cutting Norton and keeping Conrad, after all?
KJ stinks compared to Prado let along the other 2B in the league.
Are ya sure? Because his career numbers are better than the league which, unless I’m mistaken, include second basemen…
Braves73
July 26th, 2009
4:29 pm
I think we can all agree that Mr. Norton’s time will be up when Infante returns (hopefully). There is no good reason for Bobby to continue to beat this dead horse. He CLEARLY doesn’t have it anymore and to put Norton in crucial pinch hitting situations is a travesty. Please cut him now!
Rob from SC
July 26th, 2009
4:30 pm
Cactus Jack
July 26th, 2009
4:28 pm
Jason, Did Rosenthal say they would have to send Russell Martin to Cleveland in that deal?
Loney would go to Cleveland. Would they have to trade Kershaw is the question
Virginia Ranger
July 26th, 2009
4:30 pm
Is the game on the tube anywhere us Virginia’s can watch?
Soph
July 26th, 2009
4:30 pm
Ooooh, looked safe on the live play. Need to see the slo-mo replay though.
Paul Lentz
July 26th, 2009
4:30 pm
Steve from OH………….I bet that if you went around baseball and asked all the GMs whose career numbers they would rather have on their team, Garret would win by a LANDSLIDE.
Hell, you’d be hard pressed to find a GM who would take Kelly over Garret right now.
Mixxo
July 26th, 2009
4:30 pm
Mac looked safe from here.
BravesFaninMD
July 26th, 2009
4:30 pm
Looked like Brian beat that one out… will have to wait for the replay.
VaBraveFan
July 26th, 2009
4:30 pm
game in the bag , but still would be cool just to bring Chipper out with sacs full to go ahead and put the icing on the cake and blow out the candles as well
All I'm Saying Is...
July 26th, 2009
4:31 pm
Tomahawkin’: I don’t really care if RHR is a woman or more of a man than you are. And I can post on this blog whenever and say whatever and if you don’t like being called out, then don’t call GA a loaf. If you can’t stand the temperature, then sit this one out, partner.
Paul Lentz: Don’t try to talk any sense into Steve from OH as he doesn’t have room for any rational thoughts in his tiny brain about players he doesn’t care for and besides facts are too complicated for him.
McFann ;Ô;
July 26th, 2009
4:31 pm
DANGIT!!
Hate DP’s…
Roja
July 26th, 2009
4:31 pm
Remember Corky? And how long Bobby kept him………..
Cactus Jack
July 26th, 2009
4:31 pm
They really would trade Loney? Thats crazy. I thought Loney, Eithier, and Kemp where untouchable for them
Tomahawkin
July 26th, 2009
4:31 pm
Rob From SC
No
Offensive Numbers and batting averages are down League-Wide…Since the PED/Steroid era is over
No One on this team will have 100 Rbis, “Bank On It!”
bravesgrl4life
July 26th, 2009
4:31 pm
McFann’s Mann is getting it done today, huh? I’m a late entry due to church, late lunch with friends, etc. Good to see the boys bounce back from last night.
Mitchell
July 26th, 2009
4:31 pm
What the hell was that Brian?
God he is slow. Didn’t look like he was running that hard.
Just Because I Can...
July 26th, 2009
4:32 pm
whats wrong with Loaf?
Rodney Derrick
July 26th, 2009
4:32 pm
Earlier Braves announcers were trying to remember when a Brewer last won a Gold Glove, and it was Robin Yount in 1984. Except for the big guy playing first today, and we know he will not win one today, they sure have exhibited poor defense. Something along the Gross Glove award.
BravesFaninMD
July 26th, 2009
4:32 pm
deano54: remember last year KJ got hot after the Braves were already out of it…. the Braves want to be a premier NL team and he is not a premier 2B-man.
The_Superhoo
July 26th, 2009
4:33 pm
Mac looked safe to me.
And Tivo sayyyyss: safe. Mac was safe.
McFann ;Ô;
July 26th, 2009
4:33 pm
Yeah, he looked safe…
I was a tad bit worried about the DP, too, ’cause he hadn’t hit one in a while. Shoulda saved his homer…but, huh, 3-4 ain’t bad. Just stinks the out had to come with the bags full.
Was the roof closed?
kirkinga
July 26th, 2009
4:33 pm
Thanks Steve, I think that’s you agreeing with us that KJ get’s the fresh start?
Of course since you qualified the heck out of you answer, let’s say we keep KJ at second(with Bobby, it’s very possible) how would you go about trading Prado then for help? How would you get around the salary limit?
Or would you trade Infante? He has a higher salary point.
As GM, you have to listen to your scouts, but you also have o listen to the beancounters too, right?
woogidy
July 26th, 2009
4:33 pm
It’s too bad Smoltz is so stubborn. We could have booked our trips to cooperstown in 5 years for the Big 3.
Still no grand slams
July 26th, 2009
4:33 pm
Are we ever going to hit a grand slam this year? We haven’t even had one yet!
N Nine
July 26th, 2009
4:33 pm
Blame the NOW closed roof McFann……
TnBrian
July 26th, 2009
4:33 pm
Why Slobby, why? Moylan has absolutely no business being out there with a six run lead.
Paul Lentz
July 26th, 2009
4:33 pm
Another non-pressure situation for Moylan. I’m ok with him coming into a game like this. Mop up man should be the only games he pitches in.
Tomahawkin
July 26th, 2009
4:33 pm
All I’m Saying Is
If You Don’t Like Me And RHR as well as the other veterans on this blog referring G. Anderson as “Loaf”?
Then We’ve Got Two Words For Ya…?