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Rob from SC

July 27th, 2009
10:38 pm

Kendry Morales would look good on our team.

PWHjort

July 27th, 2009
10:39 pm

Anders, do you really want Minaya to gut what’s left of the farm system after the Putz trade and not getting a 1st rounder this year due to K-Rod? I mean, the farm is stretched pretty thin and you don’t have any decent players except at CF, 3B, and SS. Plus behind Santana, you’ve got a few right-handed finesse pitchers and a very bad left-hander. The season is lost at this point. Pulling off any sort of blockbuster trade that sends a big-name to the Mets is exactly the opposite of what Minaya needs to do.

bravefaninok

July 27th, 2009
10:39 pm

Anders

July 27th, 2009
10:35 pm

Reports that the Phillies /Jays Halladay talks not going well. You know what would make Met fans forget todays disaster press conference? Halladay showing up in the home locker room. Come on Wilpon – you owe us for Minaya’s debacle!!

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Halliday has a no-trade clause and will only approve a trade to a contender…sorry Anders

Anders

July 27th, 2009
10:39 pm

“I’m having a lot of fun. Probably the most fun I’ve had in a long time.”

Frenchy after the game. He’s hitting .327 as a Met with 15 RBI’s in 13 games.

Anders

July 27th, 2009
10:42 pm

PWHjort – Halladay and Santana at the top of the rotation. K-rod to close. Beltran, Reyes and Wright in their prime. Playing in that large park. I make the move and take my chances.

Heath

July 27th, 2009
10:44 pm

Well…that blows….2-0 Phi.

Rob from SC

July 27th, 2009
10:44 pm

Minaya looks real bad right now

Paul Lentz

July 27th, 2009
10:44 pm

Ryan Howard hits a 2 run jack……..2-0 Phillies, top of the 4th.

Steve from OH

July 27th, 2009
10:45 pm

Anders–you might want to find a few OF that can go get the ball, too…

Eric from MO

July 27th, 2009
10:48 pm

Turn he is hitting .320 with RISP. If he isnt hitting with runners on, then I dont know who is.

Anders

July 27th, 2009
10:49 pm

Steve -Beltran’s a GG’er and Frenchy’s been fine. Left’s been a chore but you can’t have everything. Well unless you’re the Yanks!

Random

July 27th, 2009
10:50 pm

TurnThePage (July 27th, 2009 10:05 pm): “Anders, next time the Braves need a big hit try ripping the batter who’s up. I did it yesterday when Casey Kotchman came up with two runners on. I told my wife, ‘Well, that’s the end of that. This guy NEVER hits with runners on.’ He promptly hit one of the longest home runs I have seen by a Braves player this season. My wife’s response. ‘He hit it that time! He showed you.’ “

Rather than posit some kind of contra-nega-jinx, Occam’s razor suggests that you were simply mistaken in your recollection of Kotchman’s previous performances.

For example:

12 Apr v WAS, Braves up 7-5, bottom 8th, Kotchman singles in Braves’ 8th (insurance) run;

15 Apr v FLO, Braves down 4-1, bottom 5th, 0 outs, Kotchman doubles to drive in Braves’ 2nd run;

19 Apr @ PIT, Braves up 2-0, bottom 1st, 2 outs, Kotchman singles in Braves’ 3rd run;

21 Apr @ WAS, 0-0, top 1st, Kotchman doubles in Braves’ 1st run, scores Braves’ 3rd run;

7 May @ FLO — Braves win 4-2, Kotchman 3 for 4 (1B, 2B, HR), 2 RBIs, 1 R;

8 May @ PHI, Braves down 10-3, top 9th, 0 out, Kotchman hits 3-R HR;

10 May @ PHI — Braves win 4-2, Kotchman 3 for 5 (1B, 2 2Bs), 3 RBIs;

11 May @ NYN, Braves up 3-1, top 7th, 2 out, Kotchman singles in Braves’ 4th & 5th runs;

12 May @ NYN, 0-0, top 4th, 2 out, Kotchman singles in Braves’ 1st run;

19 May v COL, 0-0, bottom 1st, Kotchman doubles, scores Braves 1st run;

Braves up 2-0, bottom 2nd, Kotchman singles in Braves 3rd run;

22 May v TOR — Braves win 1-0, Kotchamn 1-3 (1B), 1 RBI;

23 May v TOR — Braves win 4-3, Kotchman 1 for 4 (2B), 2 RBIs;

25 May @ SFN, Braves down 3-1, top 6th, 1 out, Kotchman walks “driving” in Braves 2nd run;

27 May @SFN, Braves down 2-0, top 6th, Kotchman singles in Braves’ 1st run;

28 May @ ARI, Braves down 5-1, top 8th, Kotchman singles in Braves’ 2nd run;

18 Jun @ CIN, 0-0, top 2nd, Kotchman SF “drives” in Braves’ 1st run;

25 Jun v NYA, Braves down 8-1, bottom 4th, Kotchman doubles in Braves’ 2nd & 3rd runs, scores Braves’ 4th run;

2 Jul v PHI, 0-0, bottom 4th, Kotchman homers driving in Braves’ 1st 2 runs.

So, I think your wife was right. You would be wise to adopt this position.

Forever.

;-)

Steve from OH

July 27th, 2009
10:54 pm

Anders–IMO Frenchy has average range and while I liked Beltran coming into this year defensively a LOT, he’ll be 33 in 2010 and coming off some pretty serious knee problems, and I can’t say I’m as bullish on the projections of his defense going forward, especially on that huge field, which will be more taxing on his knees than usual.

Anders

July 27th, 2009
10:56 pm

Steve – Thats fair. Going forward I think the Mets will get more athletic type outfielders but outfield defense really hasn’t been a problem this year.

If they don’t trade Fernando Martinez I could see him in CF next year and beltran moving to left.

mustrdgasnroses

July 27th, 2009
11:00 pm

PWHjort,

Any chance of them promoting Valdez or Nunez instead of making a trade?

Steve from OH

July 27th, 2009
11:02 pm

Yeah, I had forgotten about F-Mart Anders, but IIRC the report on him is average range. Martinez/Beltran/Frenchy shouldn’t be terrible, and maybe I overstated, but they’d do well to get a Ryan Langerhans/Nyjer Morgan type 4th OF that can really go get it.

Anders

July 27th, 2009
11:06 pm

Steve- I like that Nyjer Morgan as a 4th. Endy Chavez like.

Heath

July 27th, 2009
11:09 pm

D-backs have to be kicking themselves in the a$$ right now. They have Moyer on the ropes a couple of times and let him off.

braves fan lmh

July 27th, 2009
11:09 pm

I wish frank wren would find a way to trade for Josh Willingham. He is a right handed power hitting outfielder who can play both of the corner outfield spots. When healthy that guy can flat out hit. He would be a nice addition to the outfield for this year and next.

Frank from KS (now living in CO)

July 27th, 2009
11:10 pm

I can’t remember who said it…but someone mentioned that maybe Freeman will be our K-Rod when the Angels brought him up in 02 or whenever it was they brough him up to be the closer.

Ummm…that might be because at that time, the Angels had Troy Percival as their closer and he was declining.

CharlieAlphaBravo

July 27th, 2009
11:10 pm

Dang, Turn the Page just got blog-served!

jeffrey d

July 27th, 2009
11:14 pm

Don’t know if anybody’s pointed it out yet, but Jordan Schafer’s doing some first base coaching at Gwinnett….at least he was tonight.

Steve from OH

July 27th, 2009
11:15 pm

jeffrey–maybe the scouts have decided that he projects better as a 3rd-base coach? I think Snitker is an upcoming FA…

jeffrey d

July 27th, 2009
11:19 pm

Hopefully he doesn’t 3rd base coach at the Major League level like he hits.

THWG

July 27th, 2009
11:19 pm

You mean Snitker isn’t arb-eligible? We could non-tender him at season’s end and call up Schafer to take his place if he is. He’d get a little too much in arbitration.

jeffrey d

July 27th, 2009
11:21 pm

He’d probably take his stance facing the dugout, give Kotchman the steal home sign, etc.

Steve from OH

July 27th, 2009
11:22 pm

jeff–Kotch would probably give him the finger across the diamond for that…the dude looks like he’s about to die after running hard for a while.

Heath

July 27th, 2009
11:24 pm

Looks like the Braves will lose ground to the Phillies tonight….again. On the bright side, gained ground on Colorado.

NO MORE BOBBY

July 27th, 2009
11:34 pm

Phillies are winning AGAIN. I never thought us sweeping them would be a bad thing but it woke that team up and we ended up not even gaining any ground after that Nats series (which still bugs me – Gonzo stinks).

Jake W.

July 27th, 2009
11:35 pm

Cubs just don’t want to win tonight and no one seems to want to beat the Phillies. Our best chance to make the postseason is probably the wild card. Central is a tight race and I don’t see anyone really pulling away in that division. Just think they will continue to beat up on each other. Phils and Dodgers both have big leads in their divisions and look to have a good chance of holding on. The way things look now, I really don’t see a team in the NL that looks like it could be dominate in the postseason. The Dodgers have a great record but they have looked ordinary since the all-star break. The phillies offense is clicking on all cylinders but their pitching still remains the same. Cole Hamels isn’t as good as last year and when Jamie Moyer isn’t taking advantage of youthful lineups like the Marlins and D-backs things look bad. Blanton has been better, probably their best pitcher now and I don’t see Lopez keeping it up. If they end up getting Halladay they are the runaway favorites. I know the Blue Jays asked for a lot but with him they wouldn’t only be the favorites this year but next year also.

TnBrian

July 27th, 2009
11:36 pm

Anders, Jeff is having the most fun he’s had in a long time mainly because he’s a selfish player who seems to be concerned about HIS numbers, not neccessarily how his team is doing. That’s the impression I got from Jeff. It seemed like he had his face blasted in front of a camera when he had a good game regardless whether or not his team won.

Roman Gal

July 27th, 2009
11:36 pm

Why would you take the bat out of Frenchy’s hands.

Haha!! That’s the funniest thing I’ve read in a while…

Jake W.

July 27th, 2009
11:45 pm

“Anders, Jeff is having the most fun he’s had in a long time mainly because he’s a selfish player who seems to be concerned about HIS numbers, not neccessarily how his team is doing. That’s the impression I got from Jeff. It seemed like he had his face blasted in front of a camera when he had a good game regardless whether or not his team won.”

I don’t think he is necessarily selfish, just don’t think he deals well with adversity. Everything came so well to Jeff in his life. He wants to make stuff happen but he doesn’t go about it the right way. That’s why the Mets scouting report said 0-2 when he steps in the box. He’s always trying to make something happen. Didn’t have the patience to wait anything out. That aggressiveness usually doesn’t work well in baseball. Pitchers often use it against you. When he figures out how to quell that, he’s got a chance to become a 100 rbi guy again. Till then pitchers are going to keep picking on him.

Efrim

July 27th, 2009
11:46 pm

Randall Delgado struck out 10 for Rome tonight. Adam Milligan hit his fifth home run.

Steve from OH

July 27th, 2009
11:47 pm

Efrim–good to hear! Glad to see my dude Milligan hitting well lately. And glad to see Delgado get his ERA under 5…

Mixxo

July 27th, 2009
11:57 pm

Soriano granny for the Cubs win!

Doc Holiday

July 28th, 2009
12:07 am

Wayne in Utah

July 28th, 2009
12:10 am

Random

Your 9:46 was funny. Woulda been funnier if you’d picked Efrim or Steve or N8 or somebody else, but funny still.

:-)

(but don’t kid yourself, you have the data)

Doc Holiday

July 28th, 2009
12:11 am

We only have 1 problem and it is called………….RAUL IBAÑEZ.

We had our chance to get him and we let him go………..its kind of like the curse of the bambino.

Doc Holiday

July 28th, 2009
12:14 am

Come on Bravos———–dont give in, we can still get them and if not, WC will be our in the process and then we will show the phillies in the NLCS whos the boss in the east and in the NL.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:15 am

If Frank Wren and co.think this team as constructed are going to make any playoffs, then somebody has lost their damn minds! there is still a desperate need for a righthanded power hitter on this slub, and as constructed the Braves will most likely be home for the playoffs.

Somebody should wake up in the F.O. and at least make an attempt for Konerko,Rios, Lind, or Scott, but don’t be fooled by the offense lately, these guys have proven that they are prone to disappear much to often this year!

Doc Holiday

July 28th, 2009
12:16 am

At least StL, SF and COL………the teams in front of us are not as hot as the phillies, and not as hot as us.

groundfog

July 28th, 2009
12:17 am

Phillies are friggin unreal-can they keep this up? wow

fastasballs

July 28th, 2009
12:18 am

The Braves can still catch the Phillies. They need to be within 4 games or so with 20 to play. The Braves have a big schedule advantage over the Phillies the last 20 games & 3 head to heads with the Phillies during that span. It can be done, but they do need to cut into that lead a little over the next month & 1/2.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:18 am

Odds are the pitching staff will have a drop off, either By Hanson,Vazquez, or Kawakami, Lowe has had his already!

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:20 am

A very nice tweak might be B.jones, joJo, and Bueno for Adam Lind.

Steve from OH

July 28th, 2009
12:20 am

Before y’all go all crazy on Konerko, check out his home/away splits and his lefty/righty splits. He’s not providing as much “RH pop” away from that Chicago bandbox as you think, definitely not enough to warrant the cost in dollars and prospects that we’d have to give up.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:21 am

Or maybe Ricciardi thinks all of his players are worth fort knox, ummm if they were then I would think the Jays would be closer to first that firesale.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:22 am

My personal choice would be Lind from Toronto

Doc Holiday

July 28th, 2009
12:23 am

Joebrave,

That wont happen, cause Cox has keep them under 105 pitches almost every time out.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:23 am

I wonder if Jesse Orosco can still bring it?

Heath

July 28th, 2009
12:23 am

braves fan lmh

July 28th, 2009
12:23 am

Joebrave there is no way that would be enough for a young cost controlled power hittting outfielder. Josh Willingham is a more realistic target as he wouldn’ cost as much in prospects.

owl hunter

July 28th, 2009
12:24 am

Joebrave

No way Toronto takes our trash for one of their best players.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:24 am

I dunno Doc, I just have this feeling, that if Wren stands pat, it will back fire severely!

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:25 am

Hell give em Shafer if that will do the trick, Willingham??? I don’t know

owl hunter

July 28th, 2009
12:26 am

Yeah. You don’t know.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:27 am

I would’nt consider JoJo trash just yet, A change and getting away from Bobby might turn the kid into Zane Smith.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:28 am

Just saying I am not overly impressed with Willingham.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:29 am

However if Wren is smart he will at least make a play for Sherrill, I’m tellin ya He is going to need him next year. No way Soriano, or Gonzo returns.

braves fan lmh

July 28th, 2009
12:29 am

Willingham has 16 homeruns on the season and he would have more r.b.i.’s but he plays for the nationals. He is a pretty patient hitter also.

owl hunter

July 28th, 2009
12:29 am

Why does everyone who wants to see Wren make a thousand trades think JoJo has any trade value. I’m sure the GMs are blowing his phone up for JoJo, Brandon Jones, and Manny Acosta.

fastasballs

July 28th, 2009
12:30 am

Why are some of you convinced the Braves need a big right handed bat to make the playoffs? Granted, it would be nice to have, but the Braves can’t take on much salary from all reports I’ve read.

They have the pitching right now to make the playoffs & win once they are there. The question is will the offense continue to provide the run support it has recently? I would say there is a better than average chance it will. Even with Chipper or McCann sitting out the team still manages to score runs. When has that ever happened in recent years?

I think it’s obvious that since Wren removed the three automatic outs the team has sparked. McLouth was a great addition as was inserting Prado for KJ. I do believe KJ will provide a lot of offense the rest of the season. His trip to AAA seemed to have really got him going & hopefully it continues.

Heath

July 28th, 2009
12:30 am

Phils finish of the snakes…at least the Rockies lost.

Wayne in Utah

July 28th, 2009
12:30 am

Joe

I don’t think your going to see any real moves this year. I could be wrong. But for all the reasons you state, it’s still a long shot for us to make the playoffs, but I don’t want to see us mortgaging the future for a slim chance.

Just my two cents….

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:31 am

Maybe Jo Jo, Schafer, and Medlen for Lind.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:32 am

I think if they added Konerko,or Lind along with a Sherrill type there is a greater chance this year and beyond, but no way on dealing Heyward or Freeman.

owl hunter

July 28th, 2009
12:33 am

Joebrave

Please consider money in these trades. Being a GM isn’t as easy as you seem to think.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:33 am

Agreed wholeheartedly Wayne.

braves fan lmh

July 28th, 2009
12:33 am

As far as relievers go what about one of the many relievers that the bluejays seem willing to listen on? Bluejays want to cut salary and the jays have a few relievers who are due a raise of over a million in arbitration next year

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:35 am

Baseball is so cyclical, but I am sick of seeing, and hearing about the Philthies and Mutts, it’s about as tiring as hearing Tim freakin Tebow every time I turn on the tube!

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:37 am

Okay owl, here is the money- If you remove Kelly Johnson 3= mil next year, Gonzalz 6+ mil next year, and Kotchman 4+ mill next year that comes to what 13 mil, Konerko makes 12 so that saves1 mil. and drop Loaf and his 2 mil

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:37 am

not to mention on of Hudson, or Vazquez will surely be gone so there is another 11.5 to 12 mill gone

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:38 am

Now about the money?

braves fan lmh

July 28th, 2009
12:38 am

Joebrave, why would the braves want to trade a young #3 type starter in medlin along with the center fielder of the future in schafer in the same deal? For arguements sake, if the braves did put both of them in a trade don’t you think the braves would want to get someone like Joey Votto or an outfielder like Justin Upton

Steve from OH

July 28th, 2009
12:38 am

Wayne–I agree! No sense in mortgaging the future at this point. I don’t mind seeing a minor trade, but IMHO, these minor league players need to be kept in the organization:

Heyward, Freeman, Schafer, Teheran, Kimbrel and Gearrin. I’d also be loath to trade more than one of the group of young pitchers in Rome and Danville, with Rohrbough and Thompson from MB joining that group.

Doc Holiday

July 28th, 2009
12:38 am

So whats next with Huddie? after todays outing, whats his schedule?

What about infante?

At least we didnt lose today LOL

owl hunter

July 28th, 2009
12:39 am

What about this current season? We can’t add payroll THIS season.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:40 am

Not being unreasonable just saying it can be done without a salary hike.
Say wren deals gonzo to LAD, for two specs, then flips Kotch, and the specs to Chisox for Konerko,
then deals K.J. JoJo, Shafer, and Bueno to Bal for Sherrill, and say Meredith.
I would think the only salary he’s taking on is about 2 mil? He has around 5 to play with

Doc Holiday

July 28th, 2009
12:40 am

We need no one …………what we need is for the phillies to lose, but NL pitching is so bad that no one but us and some 2 or 3 other staff can hold them in check, so they feast on the rest.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:42 am

I’d rather have Lind over Upton. he is closer to being another Nelson Cruz.

braves fan lmh

July 28th, 2009
12:42 am

I read today that the twins lost one of the young starters to wrist surgery. I wonder since the twins are in the playoff hunt and need a bullpen arm, middle infielder and possibly another starter, if the braves wouldn’t see if the twins would be intersted in kelly johnson, a young cost controlled reliever like acosta, or logan, plus a prospect, for say either jason kubel, or denard span?

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:43 am

Shafer centerfielder of the future? mcLouth has four more years on his deal. I think Shafer is better suited plying his learning trade in another uni, Dude just ain’t that good!

nolie

July 28th, 2009
12:44 am

We had our chance to get him and we let him go… (DOC)

he was available but we really didn’t have a shot at getting him. no way they were give him a contract like that.

owl hunter

July 28th, 2009
12:44 am

None of this will happen. You can’t just blow up a team that’s doing well, and other teams may not comply with your wishes. If any of these trades happen before THIS season’s deadline, I will come back to the blog that day and apologize. I promise.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:44 am

Precisely why you trade a guy like Medlen, he projects to be that everywhere but with the Braves

braves fan lmh

July 28th, 2009
12:45 am

Schafer did struggle but part of that is because of the wrist injury. Not all of it but with the injury he probably tried to adjust and messed up his swing some and then it became mental for the rookie.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:46 am

Not blowing up adding to, there is a difference. but okay when the offense rears it’s ugly head once again, we shall see who cries for the big stick.

owl hunter

July 28th, 2009
12:46 am

If we keep trading our young prospects every year, we may as well be the Pirates. How has that worked out for them?

Steve from OH

July 28th, 2009
12:47 am

I don’t. Schafer’s glove and arm are exceptional. That’s a lot of value right there that can play right away. His bat, IMO, projects as at least average, with a pretty good chance of being plus. He’s young, cheap, athletic, runs well, can steal bases, can be a legit presence at the top of your lineup. These are the kinds of players you want on your team.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:47 am

If you will notice the core stays intact, and the security blanket called Sherrill is in place for next year.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:49 am

There is one difference between the Braves and the Pirates, the Braves actually have scouts that know what the hell they are doing.

nolie

July 28th, 2009
12:49 am

a young #3 type starter in medlin (Braves Fam lmh)

I don’t believe for a second that will happen

Doc Holiday

July 28th, 2009
12:49 am

I suppose most of you already know this but since KJ came back, he is:

4 for 5 + 3 runs + 2 2B + 2RBI + 1HR +1K +1BB

owl hunter

July 28th, 2009
12:50 am

I will not “cry for the big stick” in any facet of life. If the offense doesn’t get it done, that sucks, but we’ve been blowing up our minors for a while, and it has to stop. Sometimes players need a chance to work through things, and it appears that some of ours have. You can’t make a trade the second someone goes 0 for 4. Except in video games.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:50 am

Brad Komminsk was supposed to project out too, but see what he was.

braves fan lmh

July 28th, 2009
12:50 am

Joebrave you say that medlin doesn’t project in the braves rotation. Ok, next year you will have jurrjens, hanson, lowe, vazquez/kawakami, and possibly hudson. If hudson ends up leaving hypothetically due to the 12 million dollar option then you are an injury away of needing a starter, i.e., medlin

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:52 am

I didn’t see anything in what I proposed attributing to blowing up the minors.

Joebrave

July 28th, 2009
12:52 am

Parr, Rohrbough, etc what about these guys?

Jake W.

July 28th, 2009
12:53 am

fastasballs

This is not the same team that squandered all those good pitching performances. We have a good chance to make the playoffs as is. Besides a lot of people think the best bat that we could acquire already is in our system(Heyward). I doubt he will be up this year but I think what people are trying to say is that there isn’t really much out there to get and giving up something won’t be worth what we are getting back. Keep things the way they are, use the offseason to make trades and moves as we need them.

Agree with what you said.

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