1:42 pm July 26, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
July 27th, 20098:44 pm
Zookey – Overpaid team? Until they all got hurt they either were in first or within a game of first for the last three years. I got my moneys worth.
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July 27th, 20098:45 pm
Minaya did seem pretty unsettled during the press conference… Hopefully Mets ownership will wait until midnight on the next night he travels to the west coast to fire him.
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
Piedmont Blues (formerly BFIR) & DAP
I for one am glad Rice finally made it in to the Hall.
And whoever it was that said those nice things about Bonds…..he better not…(and I repeat) BETTER NOT get into the HOF.
And IMO, Hank Aaron is still HR Champ.
July 27th, 20098:47 pm
Paul Lentz – Your 8:44 is about as self serving drivel as it gets. Not a fact in it. Omar laughs at your lack of pontification skills.
July 27th, 20098:48 pm
May Francoeur stay good until his next contract with the Mets is agreed to.
Now, now Anders….be nice to Paulie
I hope Bret Oberholtzer is alright…
He left the game in the 4th inning without having allowed any runs.
July 27th, 20098:49 pm
DAP–try the link below. It’s a doozie… (STEVE)
now we’re up to third order? can we get even more theoretical?/ how ’bout 4th or 5th or 6th order? More helpfully, how ’bout just an order of bacon and eggs over light? It has about as much relationship to reality and it will keep you from starving while being so immersed in statistical fantasies. Sheeesh. Some folks just have WAY too much time on their hands.
Anders and whoever else has mentioned the recent Mets mess..
Ya all should’ve known this mightive happened……I mean, look at the way Omar did Willie Randolph.
Speaking of Hank Aaron – who had a better weekend then him? He laid out the “asterisk plan” for all the cheaters headed to the Hall. I believe he’s also one of the influences behind the Pete Rose reconsideration. There are a few guys who when they speak all of MLB should listen and heed them. Mr. Aaron is at the head of that class imo.
July 27th, 20098:50 pm
Uh-oh, Looks like Anders has caught the Frenchy optimism bug… You’ll learn your lesson soon enough…
July 27th, 20098:51 pm
Anders re: your 8:49 p.m. post
July 27th, 20098:52 pm
Jim Rice, Andre Dawson and Dale Murphy are not Hall of Fame material.
Tim Raines is though.
Sure, the Phillies may win the division without Roy Halladay. HOWEVER, come play-off time, against good teams who will have the pitching to not give up 6-7 runs a game to the Phillies…….do you think that the Philies want to go into a 7 game series with just Cole Hamels, Joe Blanton, Jamie Moyer, and A.J. Happ? The first 3 are not pitching ANYWHERE CLOSE to the level they pitched last year.
The Phillies KNOW that they will need Roy Halladay come play-off time or they will have NO CHANCE to advance in the play-offs. The Blue Jays know this. So they are VERY SMART to hold out on the Phillies best prospects.
You may have gotten your $ worth,but not every fan packs thier own lunch…
July 27th, 20098:53 pm
Thanks! I’ll shoot you an e-mail.
July 27th, 20098:54 pm
So, no one thinks the Braves may consider Hanson for the ‘pen upon Hudson’s return? Rookie they want to limit innings pitched…throws gas…no one?
Jim Rice, Andre Dawson and Dale Murphy are not Hall of Fame material – Winston @ 8:52 p.m.
WTH are you smoking dude?
I know for sure Andre Dawson are…and Rice got in yesterday.
The 10 Circles of Hell
Greg Norton at-bats
Shamus, the Q is strong with you. We’re gonna do a whole piggy next week in Key Largo, to break up the monotony of fishing/spiny lobster catching.
July 27th, 20098:55 pm
The Phillies KNOW that they will need Roy Halladay come play-off time or they will have NO CHANCE to advance in the play-offs. Paul Lentz
You mean like last year when they had NO CHANCE to advance with poor pitching??
And Lidge is NOWHERE near his 2008 form.
N8………..your 2:00pm was right on. I’ve been saying the EXACT same thing for several months. It was just that die hard Smoltz and Glavine fans just COULD NOT look at logic. They let their sentiment as fans get in the way of looking at what is best for the team. Some fans get “emotional” over their favorite players…….kind of like how women get emotional sometimes, lol.
Rice getting in doesn’t mean he deserved it.
And Dawson and his .320-something OBP doesn’t either.
July 27th, 20098:56 pm
Therefore, they offer a $100 rebate if you replace an old toilet with a low flow version.
How much is the fine if you install the Kohler, mega-gallon, turbo-deluxe, Water-Gusher-2000, instead?
July 27th, 20098:57 pm
Rice deserved his induction just as well as *The Hawk* does.
July 27th, 20098:58 pm
Anders, Steve from OH, Flange1, everyone else who watched that press conference,
I think part of the reason he was shaking was because of the back and forth between him and Adam Rubin. Guy was nervous, and clearly wouldn’t have had the uper hand if that conversation continued. Rubin grabbed the mic initially, but then thought about it, passed it on because he wanted to articulate his response in the right way.
I’ve seen front office folk flip out about certain things and what not(Kenny Williams saying Frank Thomas better not get in White Sox business, which was about as classic a blow up I have ever read or seen- although I can’t find it online), but I have never seen something like this. One of the SD folk, Gillick, Jed Hoyer(I think that’s the Boston guy), Shapiro, etc. A lot of guys are going to be attracted to that job, I would think. Although it is a challenge, with how strong the media presence is. But from a pure baseball prespective, you have a great core and money(although maybe not) to spend on the draft as long as you can convince Wilpon to pay above slot in the Rule 4 and on the international front.
DAP- It’s like first and second order Win%, but it takes into account strength of schedule. (THWG)
well then all we gotta do is talk Selig into basing winning the division on 3rd order wins. Even if we had to bribe him it would likely be cheaper that trading for or signing what it would take to win the regular way. Real good stat there, it can turn a middle of the road, ordinary team into a champion with no extra cost at all. I like it. Obviously very meaningful sheeesh.
Steve from OH
July 27th, 20098:59 pm
nolie, I agree that it’s all theoretical, but so is the concept of finding something that will attempt to predict how well your team will do in the future, right? It’s better than nothing and at least it has some statistical correlation and proof behind it, as opposed to the old-fashioned “maybe they’re not so sh!tty,” LOL! Obviously, the major flaw in the equation is the use of defensive stats to determine the defensive aptitude of each team. IMO, defensive stats aren’t at all great, and scouting is waaay more important in assessing defensive quality. They’re nice to have for schlubs like me who can’t possibly expect to watch a player play nearly enough to assess his defensive quality. But IMO, the hitting stats are very good and very informative.
But, I should point out, that 2nd and 3rd order wins are better predictors of future winning % than simply winning % or pythag record…
Steve from OH……….concerning your 2:10pm rant about how Garret is overrated………I’m curious, what is Jeff Francoeur’s “ranking among the production per position” stats?
July 27th, 20099:01 pm
…kind of like how women get emotional sometimes, lol. PL
Right, like when I punch my girlfriend in the face to keep her in line. She always sobs like a little girl. Stupid women are always so emotional, lol.
Heath, no way do they put Hanson in the pen, he’s good for 7-8 innings every time,and gets better each time. You have to let this kid keep learning and growing. Look what he could be at years end. We could have 2 rookies of the year in major sports in 2009.
I say its more Huddy there till playoff time.
Nate the GR8
July 27th, 20099:02 pm
Since the US and Cuba are easing tensions is it likely we will see more Cuban ballplayers in the years to come???
E-mail’s on the way!
July 27th, 20099:03 pm
HR Frenchy! Did Chipper eally say this guy is done?
He’s not the only one, did you see the Mets scouting report on him? “the gist of it was, he’s 0-2 when he steps in the box” Heh. I like that the Mets pitching coach showed it to his arrogant ass. Anyway. Nobody ever said he didn’t have the talent, but if you NYers ever get is his head? Forget it. He’s a mental case. A few more plays like that hiding from the ball bit he did the other night and you’ll see what we mean.
flange1………….cleaned my clock yesterday? Just because Kelly Johnson has ONE GOOD GAME………….does not ERASE how much he sucked in the 1st half.
If he does this for the next 3 weeks……………then I’ll admit I was wrong. But until then…….
didn’t it reach pentagon status? (Heath)
well if it reached Pentagon status, you can likely get a military contract that includes $1000 per post and protection from being banned. Military/industrial complex has awesome power and funding.
Looks like Timmy pitched good tonight! Go Timmy!
nolie- Those stats aren’t used to justify that perhaps a team isn’t as bad as its record suggests, but rather they are used as a predictor of future trends. In other words, these stats aren’t based on the W-L record thus far, but are based on actual gameplay stats and serve to explain how well a team should do given its remaining schedule.
Efrim, I don’t think it’s so much about paying above slot as it is paying responsibly. Of course, you’ve gotta pay to get the top talent left, but I think (hope) that each FO has a system in place to place a (if only ballpark) dollar value on each player, and then decide “if I pay this much for this player, how much production would I have to get in major league play or via a trade to make the risk of the investment worth it?” or something along those lines. I think the casual fan (like myself) overlooks that kinda thing. So while it’s nice to suggest that we pay 6MM for Matzek, maybe the risk isn’t worth the reward, know what I mean? My greatest fear is that the Mets will hire someone responsible like that…
July 27th, 20099:05 pm
You missed posting…………. “braves have to trade that guy, how could he give up a HR?”
July 27th, 20099:06 pm
colorado beating the muts
give us a break.
July 27th, 20099:07 pm
got it- thanks!
July 27th, 20099:09 pm
Steve from OH, of course. I’m more just saying that team should be willing to go above slot for the right player. Gotta be worth it, make sense for that team. When you have the financial resources the Mets have(or had), then you need to take advantage of it. Not just major league payroll. It takes more than that, as you know.
July 27th, 20099:11 pm
Wayne in Utah………..you just cant quit with the name calling. Fine way to be an example of the virtues of “your faith”. I’m curious, where does it say in “book” that is the basis of your faith, say that it is ok for you to “represent your faith” by calling people names?
And you wonder why many people are “turned off” by religion?
It’s an interesting thought to put Hanson in the pen. Kind of like David Price last year. But I’d hate to mess with what’s working. I think it makes more sense to put Huddy out there and let him slowly build up arm strength. And if they’re lucky enough to reach the post-season, you’d love to have a guy with Hudson’s experience out there who could go 2-3 innings if Kawakami or D. Lowe have one of their 5 inning – 110 pitch efforts.
July 27th, 20099:12 pm
When you have the financial resources the Mets have(or had), then you need to take advantage of it. Not just major league payroll. It takes more than that, as you know
Absolutely. Actually, if a team’s payroll is say, 100MM, I’d bump it down to 98 or 97MM if I could and invest those few extra bucks in the draft or international front. Even if you think those players won’t pan out, you can trade them later. Good minor leaguers are a valuable currency, and I’m shocked that a big-market team like NY (actually, both New Yorks) would ignore that…
July 27th, 20099:15 pm
I’ve been obsessing over which SLR camera I want for like a year now, reading reviews, looking at sample shots, I still don’t know. (RHR)
the longer you wait, the cheaper the features get…but it is nice to be able to take a photo when you want to, …so get a Canon
July 27th, 20099:16 pm
OMG, could my nightmares become reality!? Could it already be in the works!? OMGGG
Rob from SC
I am in state of shock regarding Francoeur’s rediscovered power
Just going through some stats and stuff and I see that Frenchy is the most productive right fielder in the history of Citi Field. What say you now Mr. Lentz?
July 27th, 20099:17 pm
Just got a call from the Mets
Frenchy’s up – 1st and 2nd, nobody out. Hold your breadth Braves fans.
He took strike one. Who is this guy?
Jeff has a chance to really help the Braves… 1st and 2nd…no outs….3-2 Rockies.
July 27th, 20099:18 pm
You are either repetitive or flat wrong.
Many things are of intrest when briefly told for the frist time;nothing intrest when too long dwelt apon,little intrest that is told a second time.
You think yourself brilliant and interesting but in reality you are a rapacious boring pest.
July 27th, 20099:19 pm
Well…at least he advance the runner. 1st and 3rd, 1 out.
Frenchy hits well to right. Unfortunately in the well in right. Guys locked in.
July 27th, 20099:20 pm
Tie game. Your welcome Braves fans.
Tie game on the sac fly… Would love to see the Mets pull this out.
July 27th, 20099:21 pm
Mets-Rockies 3-3 bottom of 6th. I hate to be rooting for the Mets, but the Rockies have the Wild Card lead.
Zookey – It took a while but we finally agree on something. Your 9:18.
Nova Scotia Steve,
They mentioned you on the radio broadcast
July 27th, 20099:22 pm
Rice getting in doesn’t mean he deserved it. And Dawson and his .320-something OBP doesn’t either
I’d like to think you’re kidding with this nonsense, but clearly, you’re not.
OBP as the be-all in determing a career HOF-worthy?!? What a joke. Did you actually see Dawson play, or are you a 16 year old stat head that can’t lift his head from the computer screen? The stats- 438 HR, nearly 1600 RBIs are pretty impressive, but perhaps you don’t remember what an exceptional outfielder he was before the turf destroyed his knees, or his terrific arm. Dawson was an exceptional player on some decent, but many poor teams. His case for the HOF is pretty good, IMO.
Can I get a “Let’s Go Mets ” chant going on here?
Get thee behind me, Satan
July 27th, 20099:24 pm
Jesus called people names. He never said we couldn’t. He just said we have to forgive them for the way they are.
zookie: Lentz You think yourself brilliant and interesting but in reality you are a rapacious boring pest.
zookie, let me take the oppotunity to render this thang complete…
Lentz You think yourself brilliant and interesting but in reality you are a rapacious boring pest, and a mojo-doolah of a MORON!.
July 27th, 2009
Lets not get crazy Anders……lol
July 27th, 20099:26 pm
Lets Go Mess!!!
July 27th, 20099:27 pm
July 27th, 2009
Yeah…that’s a bit much to stomach.
July 27th, 20099:28 pm
I’m ok with the Braves not making any “major” moves. I have a feeling that the Braves will make a number of “major” moves in the off season though.
There is no one available that would warrant the Braves making a big move. However, perhaps Frank Wren can somehow maneuver a trade for some solid bullpen help. In blowout wins, pretty much every bullpen “looks strong”. However, in pressure situations, where you NEED a pitcher to come in with runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs……..you need a reliever to come in who can CONSISTENTLY come in and get 3 outs without giving up runs. That is why I’ve never been sold on Peter Moylan being used as that dependable 7th or 8th inning guy.
As far as the offense is concerned, I’m fine with what we have. When Infante comes back, Bobby will have even more flexibility (Infante can play both the infield and outfield).
July 27th, 20099:29 pm
LET’S GO METS
[ahem] No way, man!!
I assume you watch the games, so does Francoeur look good to you in this hot stretch? What have the Mets done to help him get going?
July 27th, 20099:31 pm
I totally disagree with those that DO NOT blame Franceour’s success on a lack of Pendleton. Franceour goes to Texas and hits in the off-season and comes home and falls on his face. Now he’s in NY and is hitting! Andruw was the same way. Show me one legitimate turn-around caused by TP. or…… maybe it’s just the water in Atlanta…. not condusive to hitting…..NAH… It’s Pendleton!
18 Wheels of Love
Three Sheets coming on The Fine Living Network at 10 pm. Show about a guy that travels to different countries and partakes in their drinking customs. Best show on TV…of course 2nd to the Francoeur updates on the AJC.
July 27th, 20099:33 pm
varodrunner – Who is the Braves current hitting coach?
David O’Brien……….the “game plan” for Hudson’s rehab makes sense.
I have 2 questions for you:
1. In 3 or so weeks, when Tim Hudson will more than likely be called up……..assuming that there are no injuries to our current starting 5 and they are pitching well………..do you think that Tim Hudson “should” be inserted in the starting rotation….OR……used as a short reliever to help Soriano and Gonzalez close games?
2. If you think that Hudson should be used as a starter……then who do you think “should” go to the bullpen…..and…….what role should he be used in the bullpen?
3. Who do you think would be the odd man out in the bullpen if Tim Hudson were to bump one of our starters to the bullpen?
July 27th, 20099:34 pm
July 27th, 2009
You better check your stats again ,Andrew is better but far from the Andrew of pre 2005.
paul, that’s three bro…
Three Sheets coming on The Fine Living Network at 10 pm. Show about a guy that travels to different countries and partakes in their drinking customs
How’d he get that job and where do I sign up?
July 27th, 20099:36 pm
I tried , sputtered , gagged,stuttered, and the words would NO, come out “LETS GO MEEEEEEETTTTESSSS”
Can’t do it Anders, just can’t say. that statement
July 27th, 20099:37 pm
Paul Lentz – Regarding your 9:28. The expression ” I feel very strongly both ways” comes to mind.You think they have enough but you also think they need more. Your happy with what they have but there is something available that will help. My God take a stance! Are you a politician? Because you never stop talking but you never really say anything imo.
It is not as important of a game…but the Nats just hit a granny to take the lead over the Brewers 6-2
Yeah Andrew is tearing it up @.228 ba
July 27th, 20099:38 pm
Anders………..what was incorrect about my 8:44pm posting? Did Francoeur not start the year off for us “hot” the first few weeks………only to revert back to his “out making” self?
July 27th, 20099:39 pm
I pretty sure I know what I see (MiaBCH_
I’d be willing to bet that most everybody on here feels exactly the same way, some of y’all gotta be wrong. Who’s gonna be the first to admit it? Maybe you should if you think Yunel has poor range. He is above average with no question, and I DO know what I see.
Piedmont Blues (x-BFIR)
As a Braves fan, I hope the entire business with Omar blows over, all is forgiven, etc. The last thing we want is a Theo Epstein clone in the NL East. With a New York budget.
July 27th, 20099:40 pm
Anybody know what’s going on with Furstenburg? He’s been out since the 24th and wasn’t in today’s lineup either.
CharlieAlphaBravo………the Phillies starting pitching last year was MUCH better than this year. Jamie Moyer and Joe Blanton had really good second halves last year. Cole Hamels was simply dominant, especially in the play-offs.
This year, the whole starting rotation (which the exception of A.J. Happ, a rookie) has been a shell of it former self.
July 27th, 20099:41 pm
Learner – Technically I have no idea if they’ve changed Frenchy in any way but he’s clearly enjoying himself and has been very relaxed since he got to NY. The players have said many nice things about him and the announcers love the football mentality he’s brought to the team. Can’t say I’ve seen that but they mention it almost every night. (At least the games I’ve seen which have been a bit sporadic of late).
Appears to be a classic case of a change of scenery doing him some good. Time will tell.
July 27th, 20099:42 pm
Maybe Francouer responds well when he changes scenery. Didn’t he hit well during his brief stint in the minors last season? He sure lit things up when he first arrived in Atlanta.
So give him until August 2010 to get bored in New York and return to Francouerland er, a .690 OPS.
July 27th, 20099:43 pm
Maybe he’s been traded
Posted it about 30 seconds late, didn’t I, Anders?
Eric from MO
July 27th, 20099:44 pm
Anders has Francouer even walked yet? Last I checked he hadnt, havnt paid attention to the current game. What this means, is he hasnt changed and he is just on a hot streak. He will come back to his old self.
July 27th, 20099:45 pm
Ok. This thing with Frenchy is really strange. He puts up some of the worse numbers in the history of baseball among players who play on a regular basis for 1.5 years and then goes to the Mets for 13 games and has 15 RBI in those 13 games and has 3 homers in 52 AB’s whereas before he hit 16 homers in his previous 903 AB’s. That’s a homer every 17.33 AB’s now versus one every 56.44 before.
I don’t regret the trade for a second. I feel that he was never going to be able to perform like that with the Braves again. This also reinforces with me that Frenchy is a major headcase and is heading for a disastrous fall probably sooner than later. Maybe the Mets will be stupid enough to give him a multi year deal. I certainly hope so.
July 27th, 20099:46 pm
Wayne in Utah (July 27th, 2009 2:33 pm): “me too, me too! (Random has all historical data to support my statements)”
“Yes, it’s true.
“This man has no d@ck.”
(name that fl@ck)
Anders………..While I think that the Braves have a need for bullpen help…….I do not think that in the end, the cost will be worth what is “available” on the market right now.
There are simply too many teams chasing bullpen help. There simply arent enough quality arms available on the market. Knowing that, that is why I said “I dont see Frank Wren making any major moves”.
Paul Lentz – Your 8:44 was pure conjecture and opinion. Unless yu believe that every player who is traded will revert back to how they played in April. Do you believe that Mr. Lentz? I didn’t think so.
That, you see is what was wrong with your 8:44. Kabish?
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