1:42 pm July 26, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
July 27th, 20097:03 pm
What is the over/under on the Greg Norton Release Watch? Someone commented last night on how forlorn he looked after he struck out – AGAIN! – after his latest pinch hit effort.
Wayne in Utah
Don’t know if I want to go as far as to say he is miss cast as a SS. I think he is an above average SS, with decent (not great) range and a phenomenal arm.
I was just agreeing that he might eventually find his way over to third.
If you are one of the worst teams in the league, there is not such thing as “fairly easy schedule”……
July 27th, 20097:04 pm
G-Braves underway. Huddy looks like the Huddy of old.
Hey, DOB, are you coming down to SoFla for the series?
July 27th, 20097:05 pm
Pittsburgh did go 2-1 against SF right after the All Star Break, dominating the Giants with really good pitching. So, maybe….juuuuuuuust maybe.
July 27th, 20097:06 pm
Fair enough, Wayne. I still think his already suspect range will decline quickly within the next two-three years as he get “bulkier”.
Nova Scotia Steve
Anywhere to watch the game for free? G-Braves that is?
We’re a whimsical group, no?
Indeed, sir! Now, if you’ll excuse me, I must go frolick in the pasture for a while… (RG)
I loved watching “Pushing Daisies”, about as whimsical as a show can get. notice there is no smiley face…just for you
July 27th, 20097:08 pm
Brian Jordan + Josh Caray = shotgun in my mouth.
Hudson sounds like he’s throwin really well…
July 27th, 20097:16 pm
Let’s go Mets!!
Did I really just type that? Really?
Let’s don’t get too giddy over Huddy just yet. It’s still early.
July 27th, 20097:21 pm
Everybody in this lineup is a guy capable of hitting .285…………easily. Not to mention the guys on the bench but norton.
Our weakest SP is Kawakami and he could easily be #3 on half of MLB teams rotation. Then you have Hanson and Lowe? I mean? I N S A N E.
Bullpen is not the best out there but we have lots of talent. Soriano is second only to HOF guys like mariano rivera and maybe 1 or 2 other guys………..medlen is a solid long reliever. Gonzo and moylan are at least above average for 7th and 8th inning. Acosta is not bad………at least not a clown that will get hammered every single outing. O´flaherty is good…………above average IMO.
I mean, what are our weaknesses?
1. solid veteran for the 8th inning, making gonzo and moylan our 7th inning guys. And maybe Gonzo closing if soriano has been used too much.
2. nothing else.
We could use a more powerful 1B, sure, but as many here have said………..you have a vacuum cleaner fielding there. That is priceless. He doesnt not hit for power but he does hit for AVG and doubles……….thats fair enough for a team that has a great pitching staff and that will keep opponents offense at bay.
July 27th, 20097:22 pm
Anyone know where I can find out entrance songs of certain players? Specifically Canizares entrance music (yeah I know he just screwed up but no jokes please!)
Huddy 1 hit, 1k, no runs through 1
July 27th, 20097:23 pm
Threw the Mets/Rockies game on…on mute that is…New York announcers are brutal!
Good bye, Omar Minaya. You have lost control and do not deserve to be a General Manager any longer. Not to mention, you’re team is terrible. Remember them? The players on your baseball team?
July 27th, 20097:25 pm
Hudson is locating more than half of his pitches.
July 27th, 20097:26 pm
Hell, Elvis Andrus has way better range than Escobar.
You get no argument from me on that, LOL. Somewhere in this forum’s archives are posts from me saying that Andrus was the only guy I had seen who could keep Escobar from playing SS in Atlanta (this was when they were both in the low minors). Preaching to the choir.
Escobar’s range is probably the least of his defensive skills, but, hey, I don’t think I compared him to Ozzie Smith. Merely disagreed with your point (as I took it) that he lacked enough range to play the position, and based that disagreement on observation (my own) and the scouting reports I’ve read (as real as I can find).
July 27th, 20097:27 pm
Holiday delivers early for the Cards.
Some examples………….KEITH HERNANDEZ…………he has 2 WS rings. His best HR season, 18 in 1987. He won the WS in 1982 with the cards and he hit 7 HR and in 1986 with the muts and he hit 13HR.
You think those 2 teams regret having that guy around?
Of course he hit .299 and .310 in those 2 season, but Im sure CK could end up batting .290. And he made 11 and 5 errors in those 2 season.
July 27th, 20097:28 pm
Steve from OH
Efrim, I agree. His position at this point is untenable. It’s 1918 and his Hindenburg line has been broken, or rather, shattered…
July 27th, 20097:29 pm
Francoeur’s OBP with the Mets matches his batting average: not one walk.
The success won’t last. You can’t be a productive major leaguer when you go nearly a month with no walks.
Another example…………SID BREAM………..16HR were his highest. 11 and 10 HR in 91 and 92.
Just read an article on mlb.com regarding the 2010 Hall hopefuls. The one who stuck out to me was Fred McGriff. He certainly deserves it, but would he go as a Brave? He played ‘93-’97 with Atlanta, and the Braves went 51-19 after acquiring him in ‘93. That’s just nuts.
Phillies Win Again '09
July 27th, 20097:31 pm
1. Mets totally suck
2. Braves are closer to the 4th place Mets (4.0 games) than the Phillies (6.5 games)
18 Wheels of Love
July 27th, 20097:35 pm
I think I’m going to puke if I read that another insider ‘tweets’ that so-and-so is being talked about it trade discussions. If you are a journalist and you ‘tweet’ your info, how can anyone take you seriously?
Greg in TN
Evening friends and neighbors…
So far so good for Huddy in Gwinnett as the AAA squad leads the Ironpigs (can’t really type that with a straight face) 2-0. 21 pitches, 14 strikes and he’s hitting the corners effectively through two innings.
July 27th, 20097:36 pm
Braves likely to stand pat at Jul. 31 Deadline
July 27th, 20097:37 pm
1. Braves have a higher runs/game average this month (23 games———5.5 runs per game) than the phillies season average (5.4 runs per game)
2. Braves pitching is 3rd in the league while phillies are last
3. Braves against phillies this season 7-2…………9 games left against each other.
Enjoy your 1st place journey, it is about to end in less than 4 weeks.
July 27th, 20097:38 pm
Phillies Win Again
But what you fail to mention is that the Braves “totally sucked” for 2.5 months. The Mets and Braves are now heading in totally different directions. Phillies might win the division, but they better watch their back.
July 27th, 20097:40 pm
“”What is the over/under on the Greg Norton Release Watch?”"
July 27th, 20097:41 pm
I fully support the death penalty for anyone who uses and/or likes Twitter.
Steve from OH, I watched SNY(Mets network) and saw some bits from the press conference, there is no chance he keeps his job after this. That was really one of the most bizarre press conferences I have ever seen. He might be a good evaluator of talent(although I am sure there are some that would disagree with that), but he doesn’t carry himself the way a General Manager should. This incident was deplorable. Why the hell would Rubin print these stories(which turned out to be the truth) so he can get his first job in player development, and become the VP of personel? Makes no sense. Minaya makes no sense.
July 27th, 20097:42 pm
I can honestly say that I have not, nor will I ever even think of “tweeting” or reading any tweets. What in the world will they come up with next?
July 27th, 20097:44 pm
Thanks Perez. Ugh.
July 27th, 20097:45 pm
Wayne, our sons sound like they could be the same guy. Good thing you live in Utah and your name is Wayne, otherwise I’d think my ex was up in here. My son draws, plays guitar and skateboards..not much use for girls these days since some little heathen broke his heart in a million pieces about a year ago. I’m not complaining though.
July 27th, 20097:47 pm
Even when they lose the Mets find a way for me to dislike them. lol
July 27th, 20097:49 pm
Oh and very nice work, McFann. By the way, when you’re ready to get married I have a very handsome son about your age. I’m gonna need him to wait at least 10 years before he starts thinking about any of that nonsense though….you’ll wait for him, right?
July 27th, 20097:50 pm
DOB, do you have any thoughts on Omar Minaya pretty much blaming Adam Rubin for the firing of Bernazard?
July 27th, 20097:52 pm
After sundown, some hillbilly/redneck (not me of course….dangitt) lit a mop and came prancing through the darkness toward the waiting throngs downtown.
Oh my lord that is hilarious! Hee.
but he doesn’t carry himself the way a General Manager should. This incident was deplorable
Totally agree. IMO Minaya seemed more about living the life of luxury and having power than running a franchise. Seems like every time the camera goes to the GM box he’s got his nose in a wine glass like some sort of French dude. He always was good at getting the big stars, but didn’t pay much attention to his farm system and didn’t get the supporting cast. I mean, it’s one thing if your starter and your backup plan go awry, but if you’re reduced to trading for Wilson effing Valdez to eat some PT, and scrubs like Cory Sullivan are getting a lot of PT, chances are you’ve made some mistakes along the way. Especially with the resources of a New York team, this is inexcusable.
July 27th, 20097:54 pm
Hey Brian Jordan, it’s HALLADAY not Holliday. He says Worle Suries too.
Ironpigs is my favorite team name of all sports.
If they were the Delicious Pit-Cooked Pulled-Pork Ironpigs, I’d like it even better.
July 27th, 20097:55 pm
And what he said about Rubin was inexcusable, completely out of line. So what if the dude asked him a question about how to get a job in baseball? Maybe he was just curious. If I met Frank Wren, I’d ask him the same thing. Hell, it’s a dream job, I’d love to do it. Who wouldn’t? I don’t know if I’d give up where I am right now for it, but it’s nice to dream, huh? For Minaya to say those things about Ruben for a completely innocent question is completely not cool, man.
Thank you, Shamus, for playing the blog version of the Greg Norton Release Watch game.
July 27th, 20097:56 pm
Shamus, I would kill right now for a pulled pork sammy, cole slaw, steak fries, and a tall frosty one!!!
July 27th, 20097:57 pm
Why is Conrad in AAA again?
July 27th, 20097:58 pm
Brooksie with an HR for Gwinnett…Hudson has pitched 4 innings, allowed 4 hits, no runs, no walks, and 2 Ks
July 27th, 20097:59 pm
you still around? Let me know and I will get you my e-mail
July 27th, 20098:00 pm
MiaBchBF, THAT is a MEAL!
You’re welcome BTW lol
July 27th, 20098:01 pm
Didn’t you hear? He refused to get in the post-game clubhouse celebratory round of bunnies (but with Scotch) with Bobby, Chipper, Grandpa Loaf, Marteeen and Boone Logan. This ticked of Marteeen, and when you tick of Marteen, it’s back to the bushes for you, kid.
I don’t think Braves will stay pat. I think Wren is going to acquire at least some BP help.
July 27th, 20098:04 pm
I understand where the standing pat point of view comes from, but that may not be the best thing to do. If everything continues the way it has and the return of Hudson/Infante can have the same effect as a deadline trade, then by all means stand pat. However, like I said, I just don’t feel nothing will be done. A reliever would help Gonzo/Moylan/Soriano out lots in terms of giving them enough rest to hopefully make a post season push.
July 27th, 20098:05 pm
Hey, Lew, McFann thinks she has to practice humility to be a good artist! Straighten her out! If ya got it, ya got it! McFann…ya got it! Nice drawing…very nice!
July 27th, 20098:06 pm
Rumor has it that the only reason Corky Miller was on the team for so long was that he was an excellent bunnies player, until one day he sat in Pete Best’s seat. He was in Richmond the next day.
That’s a hoot! My son also skateboards (or he used to, before getting his wheels).
Mine hasn’t gotten the “heartbreak” yet. He has lots of girls that are friends. I ask him, which one do you like and he says they are all like his sisters.
BTW, I was kinda hoping McFann would wait about 10 years on MY son!!!
(he’s 6′4″ McFann!)
July 27th, 20098:07 pm
Efrim, Anders, Steve from OH,
You guys know I am not a Mets fan AT ALL, but it is kind of sad to watch the Mets house crumble like this. You finally think that they have put together a front office that can at least be respectable and these last 4 weeks slap you in the face.
I never liked Omar, but I thought he had some talent and was not scared to act, but the press conference today was an embarrassment to professional sports.
Wilpon has to act soon. Someone is going to have to take over that program. Tough job…..
We are lucky being Braves fans to not have to deal with this stuff!!
July 27th, 20098:09 pm
Bravesfan I agree. I’m thinking Kelly will be a part of something by friday. He has absolutely no use after Infante returns.
July 27th, 20098:10 pm
Hudson’s night is complete in Gwinnett:
4.0 IP, 4 hits (three singles and a double), 0 ERs, 0 BB, 2 Ks. 41 pitches, 27 strikes.
Huddy was great tonight. Can’t wait till he’s back in our rotations.
We just need one more bat and I think we’ll be legit contenders.
July 27th, 20098:12 pm
Wayne You don’t know much about 17 year old boys, do ya??
Like Demetri Martin says, it’s okay to say that you “love kids.” Only when you get age-specific does it become a problem.
ie: “I love 12-year-olds.”
Efrim – I have to agree with you on Minaya today. As I said earlier he really blew it today. Then his 7:00 “apology” wasn’t much better. He really needs to just shut up. He’s digging a bigger and bigger hole. Jeff Wilpon needs to act like the guy in charge right now as well. His father turned the team over to him and he seems more enamored with being friends with the players (Leiter, Franco and Glavine come to mind) then he does in organizing the organization.
I just don’t see how this blows over with all the media here in NY. They will eat this for days and days. Especially since one of their own was pulled into this mess.
July 27th, 20098:13 pm
Glad there was no draft for Iraq/Afghanistan wars. I’d have been the first to conscientiously object, on grounds that delicious, middle-eastern, pit-cooked, pulled-pork, barbecue, does not exist!
Give me Q, or give me death!
Amen and Hallelujah!!
Meanwhile the G-Braves have another run in after Conrad’s solo shot. One out in the home half of the 4th. Greg White batting with the bases juiced and one out.
July 27th, 20098:14 pm
So, what are the guesses as to what happens when Huddy returns? KK to the pen? 6-man rotation?
July 27th, 20098:15 pm
Kelly had a big day Sunday… Maybe Minaya would trade us KJ for Wright, straight up?
A balk and a sacrifice fly from Blanco and it’s now 6-0 over the pigs of steel after four complete.
July 27th, 20098:18 pm
flange 1 – To be clear I wouldn’t fire Omar based on the teams play or what’s being said about the lower teams in the organization. To be fair his MLB team has been very, very competitive the previous three years and he deserves credit for that. As for the minors – well I always find that very subjective. If the Mets flounder for the next couple of years and no helps arrives than thats on him but you can’t fire him for how his MLB team has played up until all the injuries this year.
Now I do hold him accountable for the spectacle of the last couple of weeks. I would have lived with that as well, but throwing the writer under the bus today is almost impossible to come back from. The media will be relentless on him. I think Wilpon will realize this and have to make a move.
July 27th, 20098:19 pm
I just found Omar’s press conference and watched it, and his body language told me that his head is next to roll. His hands were shaking, for crying out loud. He was nervous about something, that’s for sure. Like Anders said, Wilpon needs to take charge over there. Hopefully not for a while though, for the Braves’ sake. Give the Mets a competent GM like Shapiro or Theo or even trader Frank, and that club will be good.
Oh well, maybe they’ll hire Dayton Moore or Bill Bavasi.
July 27th, 20098:21 pm
Anders, I agree. The Bernazard thing, while reflecting poorly on the org., isn’t cause for Minaya’s firing. I mean, what Tony B. did is ultimately Tony B’s responsibility. But the Rubin thing was 100% Omar and 100% wrong.
July 27th, 20098:22 pm
Hey….this may ruffle a few feathers, but anyone else think that there is a chance that Hanson is the one that goes to the ‘pen if Hudson comes back strong? He is a Rookie and they may want to limit his innings. Then have him come back next year for the first “full” year in “the bigs” as a starter? Crazy?
July 27th, 20098:25 pm
Very impressive drawing McFann.
Steve from Ohio – One of the guys being floated around as Omar’s replacement (yes, it’s that far already) is Theo Epsteins right hand guy. I forget his name.
July 27th, 20098:27 pm
Give the Mets a competent GM like Shapiro or Theo
Epstein? The man who let the rival Yankees land Teixeira over a monetary difference less than the amount he flushed down the toilet on Smoltz, Saito and Baldelli?
July 27th, 20098:28 pm
We dont need no bat. We need Infante back and KK or huddy to make our bullpen just a little bit more solid.
And………….pal…………..we already are contenders.
“”One of the guys being floated around as Omar’s replacement (yes, it’s that far already) is Theo Epsteins right hand guy. I forget his name.”"
July 27th, 20098:29 pm
Heath – I think your 8:22 is what is called “The Joba Rules” in these parts.
Anders–yeah, that’s good for you guys then. IMO Boston is one of the best-run front offices in the majors. They do everything–scout well, analyze stats well, build a good farm system, etc. What I like most is how well they integrate everything. I think they might be a bit too reliant on stats from what I read in passing about them (don’t follow ‘em closely at all), but you gotta love a club that does both…
July 27th, 20098:31 pm
I’ve got something for all you Georgians. When the Dodgers come to town next week do not forget what Fookie did this offseason. Boo his drunk A#!!
July 27th, 20098:32 pm
What does that have to do with Star Wars?
Nova Scotia, plan was for Hudson to make at least 6-7 rehab starts, to build up to about 7 innings, just like if he were going through spring training. Unless for some reason that plan were to change, then I’d guess about three more weeks before he’s activated.
July 27th, 20098:33 pm
I am laughing crazily because the AJC Censorship Team did not want to print the word “butt” in my last post. . .
As in BBQ’d Boston Butt.
I just watched the press conference too, and I thought Omar was 1/2 angry 1/2 scared. The PC degenerated early and was not logical speaking at all. I had trouble following any rational train of thought.
I agree with Anders, Omar is gone in a week.
July 27th, 20098:36 pm
flange1–agree! I still don’t know why he aired out his feelings in that way. I mean, they had the press conference to put some closure on the Bernazard fiasco and they instead made an even bigger one for themselves. Plus, that’s pretty cowardly to call someone out point-blank like that where everyone (like me, for instance) can see it. Be a man and air it out in private.
MiaBhcBravesFan: Yes, I’m headed down there in the morning.
July 27th, 20098:37 pm
HR Frenchy! Did Chipper eally say this guy is done?
MiaBchBF, I’m glad they did! I’d hate to have to drag out my one-man boycott gear!
July 27th, 20098:38 pm
Look on the bright side Anders, maybe Omar will stick around and sign Frenchy to a nice big contract that even his successor can’t rid himself of…
My God, he’s better with his feet than I am with my hands, LOL! (STEVE OH)
from what I hear, that wouldn’t necessarily make him very good.
the hopes of the braves nation rest in your hands mr. hanson
why all the hate on brian jordan? yeah, the dude stutters a lot…. so what? i like him. he is a nice guy and optimistic, which is a breath of fresh air compared to reading the comments on this board. he has played the game and knows what he is talking about most of the time. now, chip carrey is a douchebag. i completely understand the hate towards him. he is the corniest announcer in the history of baseball and laughs at his own jokes (i guess you call them jokes or attempts at humor) all the time…. he is a huge jinx as well. to the point where it makes him look stupid every time he says something like, ” this guy hasnt had a hit in forever”, the same at bat the dude hits a three run homer.
brain jordan = ok. chip carrey = douche.
July 27th, 20098:39 pm
Overpaid team goes down the tube and management follows.
Congrats on your new 170 rbi rf,and picked him up for a song.
July 27th, 20098:40 pm
“Boston Butt” is the most beautiful combination of words in the English language.
I read that somewhere once…
THIS JUST IN: Jo-Jo Reyes still sucks. Just gave up a 2-run homer to someone I’ve never heard of.
July 27th, 20098:42 pm
Thanks! Uh-oh…looks like I’m in an awkward spot here…
July 27th, 20098:44 pm
Anders, Since you asked, because of the drought in GA, Dekalb county is pushing the low flow toilets to reduce water usage. Therefore, they offer a $100 rebate if you replace an old toilet with a low flow version. Not that this has anything to do with baseball, it’s a slow night.
Did Chipper eally say this guy is done?
I don’t remember him saying that…
Francoeur just hit a solo homer to make the score 2-1 Rockies, top of the 5th. Dude hit a “hanger” out.
With us couldnt hit a hanger to save his life. I refuse to blame this on Terry Pendleton because we have a number of guys who dont seem to be “strugglling” like like Francoeur did when he was with us.
My guess is that this two week stretch where Francoeur has been driving in runs is just an “abberation”. When he gets a few 0 for 4s, then he will be back to his “normal” out making self.
Kind of like the beginning of the year where he came out of Spring Training, hit a few homers, was batting .340 the first couple of weeks……..then BAM, he went back to his normal self.
I expect him to do the same thing with the Mets. But regardless, it was a good trade for us because it gave playing time the Matt Diaz/Ryan Church, who are a productive combo.
Also, with big things expected soon from Jason Heyward, the trade saved the Braves from having to deal with dumping Francoeur later on. If by chance he becomes a “star” with the Mets, then more power to him. The Braves will survive.
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