1:42 pm July 26, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
July 26th, 20099:58 pm
Two more things about the Braves.
Brooks Conrad will be back up in September. That’s what he earned with his two week contribution. He did help and won a game for us with a three run HR against the Nats. One note though. He hit his HR of Jesus Colume and his 8.40 ERA. Colome was outright released by the Nats after the game.
Kelly Johnson is not going to be traded for a middle relief pitcher any more likely than Martin Prado is going to be traded for Roy Halladay.
July 26th, 20099:59 pm
Not that they really matter, but…
Current NL Wild Card odds (for the top 5):
Team: Div% WC% Total%
ATL: 16.7% 8.7% 25.5%
FLA: 7.8% 5.1% 12.9%
STL: 27.5% 2.3% 29.8%
COL: 12.0% 45.2% 57.2%
SFO: 3.9% 16.7% 20.6%
Colorado helped themselves a lot by beating SFO this series. ATL is expected to finish tied for 2nd with SFO in the WC race as of tonight.
Just keep winning series…they keep slowly improving their over-all chances.
July 26th, 200910:02 pm
RHR Very interesting…made me start thinking about going up when Maddux goes in.
I know when I’ll make the trip to Cooperstown…
July 26th, 200910:05 pm
Correcting an earlier post of mine, that was BMac’s 9th GDP of the year.
July 26th, 200910:08 pm
Why do we have a better chance at winning the Division than winning the WC?
July 26th, 200910:11 pm
If we keep playing Philly the same way we have then, division actually is very easy! But I doubt we keep going 7 for 9 like we are now
July 26th, 200910:12 pm
Why do we have a better chance at winning the Division than winning the WC? McFann
Because there are about 7 teams, virtually with the same record, vying for the WC
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July 26th, 200910:13 pm
We’re tied with one team and chasing one team in the divisional race. We’re tied with one (the same) team and chasing three teams in the wild-card hunt. The probabilities have to add up to 100, so splitting them up between 5 teams as opposed to 3 leads to a higher probability for the division. Doesn’t make it any easier to actually win it. Just a probability thing.
Gov. Clinton Tyree
July 26th, 200910:14 pm
RHR: We’ve got 63 left, they’ve got more than that.
How long, with that pitching, do you think they can play .850? They can’t, even if you gave them the best staff in baseball. They’ll cool off. Remember how awful they looked just before this streak and Rollins getting hot?
Just stay the course, keep winning 2 out of 3, and let’s see what happens. If we don’t make the playoffs doing that, it wasn’t meant to be. I think we will.
True…hey, ya never know! Almost wish there were more games left in Filly…
where is DOB
July 26th, 200910:15 pm
Yo Heath, any link for DOB speech at HOF?
July 26th, 200910:16 pm
I see…that’s kinda what I figured.
Ah, good old !
Count de Monet
July 26th, 200910:17 pm
We could win the division if we had a catcher who could hit. We should start Ross every day.
July 26th, 200910:19 pm
Enter your comments here
I just read that Huddy is pitching for Gwinnett tomorrow…
July 26th, 200910:20 pm
I was trying to yank McFann’s chain and she signed off.
Technically, keylargo is correct. However, if none of the teams are drastically changed, you almost have to consider that the Braves really only have two teams against which they are competing the rest of the year: The Phillies for the NL East and the Rockies for the Wild Card. We are closer to the Rockies, so, take from it what you want. Personally, I don’t put a whole lot of stock in the odds numbers themselves because they are largely based on expected records from the runs scored/runs allowed statistics. For example, the Braves and the Marlins have exactly the same record…are in the same division, and yet, have drastically different playoff odds–all because the Braves have a positive run differential and the Marlins a negative one. Now, I don’t think the Marlins are going to hang around all year, but, that doesn’t really mean thantI think they have half as good a chance for the play-offs as of today when compared to the Braves.
July 26th, 200910:22 pm
Count de Monet,
I disagree. We need some reliable, quality starters. Medlen, Reyes, Chuck James, and Carlyle should start.
July 26th, 200910:25 pm
In Tim Hudson’s rehab start Thursday he gave up 5 hits. They were all ground ball singles.
July 26th, 200910:26 pm
July 26th, 2009
I disagree. We need some reliable, quality starters. Medlen, Reyes, Chuck James, and Carlyle should start.
That should put us over the top PWH. Except what about Bennett. He can start too or were you saving him for the closer job? LOL
PWHjort – Hey, wasn’t that our rotation last September, plus James Parr? Special appearances by Charlie Morton and Jeff Bennett?
July 26th, 200910:27 pm
I just read that Huddy is pitching in Gwinnett tomorrow, not sure why my comment won’t go thru.
And McFann, you know, I’ll probably only get to go to Cooperstown once so when it comes down to it I’ll probably save that once for Chipper. Plus, my kids will be out of college by then and I’ll be a retired traveling fool so the timing is better then too.
July 26th, 200910:28 pm
Count – Pretty funny. Bad timing. I’d sure give him a 1B mitt against lefties and get him some more at bats, though.
Eric from MO
Keylargo you sound pretty confident with not much to back it up. Kelly is not going to be a starter. Infante is coming back to help the bench and Brooks is down in the minors.
Im not saying Kelly will be traded for a relief pitcher but if there is a good setup man that is still under contract at least next season dont be suprised if it happens. Im on record of saying that I think the Braves are done trading. They may pick up someone on waivers but thats about it, but I wouldnt be suprised if Kelly is shopped.
July 26th, 200910:29 pm
Wow–KJ maybe turns it around after working with someone other than TP, and Francouer is hitting way better after leaving the Braves. Proof continues to mount that TP is a terrible hitting instructor. Of course, we on the blog have long said so, but surely it’s obvious to Frank Wren and JS by now?
Also, if the Braves are trying to trade Johnson, that’s the reason they haven’t DFA’d NOrton yet–if KJ goes they need Norton, and Johnson’s roster spot would be taken by Conrad. Surely at his age NOrton doesn’t have options left, right, so they’d just lose him. They’re probably not willing to lose him if they might also trade Kelly. Now if Kelly stays (and I hope he does), then maybe it makes more sense to bring Conrad back up and DFA NOrton.
The Nationals are among the teams that need a second baseman, and KJ would be a big upgrade over what they’ve got. NOt sure who the Braves would want from the Nats though–maybe lefty reliever Joe Biemel and promising minor league pitcher Ross Detweiler?
July 26th, 200910:31 pm
We’ve openly explored some potential trade options with the White Sox (whether they were legitimate or not) because the Sox could use a 2B and we have Kelly….
The Twins are known to be in the market for an offensive-minded middle infielder that can hit in the 2-hole. Currently they seem interested in Orlando Cabrera, but maybe they could be persuaded to take a look at KJ? Do they have anything that the Braves could use?
July 26th, 200910:32 pm
Fact of the matter is, at this point Frank doesn’t have to do jack. This is a playoff club as it is configured. The only question is whether we have enough time to get to the top of the division or the WC. I am confident that we do and we can.
Y’know, it wasn’t that long ago that a .290/.370/.480 projection for Kelly was not absurd. If he’s straightened out, he can help the ballclub. Just not ahead of Prado. He’s earned that job.
To paraphrase Miller in the celluloid classic Repo Man: “The more you blog, the less intelligent you are …”
Heath how in the hell do you not include the Cards? They just got Holliday to help their lineup and they were already a good team.
Gov. Clinton Tyree
July 26th, 2009
Count – Pretty funny. Bad timing. I’d sure give him a 1B mitt against lefties and get him some more at bats, though
I am really into Cann playing first. I would love to have him in the lineup everydau. I think he is going to wear down if he continues to catch 4 out of every 5 games. I realize that it would not be a good idea to have him train at first during the season but I would definetly let him get some coaching in the off-season and even in spring training. It could lengthen his career.
July 26th, 200910:33 pm
“We could win the division if we had a catcher who could hit. We should start Ross every day. I was trying to yank McFann’s chain and she signed off. … Count de Monet
Don’t worry, she’ll see it in the morning. You won’t believe what she will do to you with her chain. BTW, before you disappear for good, I like the moniker.
July 26th, 200910:37 pm
Thanks Bear, but you have me worried about her chain. LOL
Eric in MO
It’s Baseball 101 Starting position players are not traded for middle relief pitchers.
That’s what I said and I stand by it. KJ bashers can continue to develop amnesia over KJ going on the IR because of his wrists injuries. If you have ever had a cortizone injection (KJ had one in each wrist) you would know how debilitating those injuries can be.
Gov. Clinton Tyree,
I envision Prado serving as the regular 2B and shifting to 3B or 1B in favor of KJ when Chipper or Kotchman need a day off. And KJ could also see some time in the OF. KJ is nominally a bench player for the rest of the season, but if our resources are allocated properly, he should get another 200+ PA’s (provided he’s actually hitting).
CR – KJ didn’t spark anything today, the Braves were doing fine when he wasn’t there…MARTIN PRADO is the spark.
July 26th, 200910:38 pm
dgd while I agree TP sucks, have said so since 07, cant really say Francouer is better. It is a week stretch. He is still not walking and will quickly come back to where he was at with Atlanta.
Flat Bill Kid
Gov. Clinton Tyree, I think that idea of Thornton or Linebrink is on spot. Especially since the Braves have been there scouting lately. With them having a 2B deficit up there it seems highly likely.
July 26th, 200910:39 pm
1) Depends on the circumstances
2) I once had a cortizone shot in my right quad 3 days before baseball tryouts when I was like 10. I was still completely useless during the tryout. You’re right. They effing hurt. BAD.
Eric from MO -
The following is my post from just a little earlier in the night…
July 26th, 2009
At the end of June 27th:
Braves: 34-40(5 games back of Colorado.)
At the end of July 26th (One month):
Braves: 51-48 (3.5 games back)
The Rockies have been playing good baseball for quite a long time… the Braves, however, have been just a bit better (1.5 games better). Catching the Phillies is going to be hard, but catching the Rockies isn’t going to be easy either.
The Cards are going the wrong direction. The Rockies and the Braves are the two teams that are playing considerably better than the rest of the teams in the WC chase. Until that changes, including your mention of the Cardinals, I will continue to look at the Rockies and Braves as the teams to beat…so to speak…for the Wild Card.
Keylargo, Kelly is a starting position player. So “Baseball 101″ doesnt mean jack in this.
July 26th, 200910:41 pm
Also wasnt Adam LaRoche traded for Gonzo with Wickman our closer? Huh, guess you dont know everything.
Count: Yeah, OK. Either way. Probably your way is better, extend Heap’s career a year or two.
It’s a rare catcher that’s productive into his late thirties. Bench was basically done at 32, Carter at 33. I always liked the way Bobby handled Javy, letting Eddie or similar take Maddux. Good rhythm, kept him fresh. I think the tendency is to think Mac can handle it because he’s such a horse and plays through everything, but 5-7 years from now, we’re going to be glad – or wish – he got more time at 1B.
July 26th, 200910:43 pm
Eric in MO -
Shortly thereafter, I posted some statistics to show why I feel COL and ATL are the two to keep an eye on…
July 26th, 2009
Frankie Wren -
Colorado is definitely the team to beat in the WC race. I am not that worried about SF (not enough offense) or STL for that matter.
Records since June 27th:
July 26th, 200910:44 pm
Eric from MO: what about me? I helped the team while I was 14.
July 26th, 200910:45 pm
Maybe the Braves stop winning and all this is a moot point…but, the recent, extended trends lead me to believe in the Rockies and Braves…right or wrong.
July 26th, 200910:46 pm
Yeah but they have only had Holiday in 3 of those games. They are good, just got better, and are still ahead of the Braves. To not include them is just dumb.
July 26th, 200910:47 pm
Um, I dont know what smallbridge is talking about. Im guessing it is a joke, a bad joke.
July 26th, 200910:50 pm
Eric from MO
Thanks for agreeing with me about KJ being a starter. (10:39) However, you still are cultivating your amnesia. KJ went on the IR list, had cortizone injections, worked with the AAA batting instructor and is now back to himself. You saw today what he is capable of.
” KJ bashers can continue to develop amnesia over KJ going on the IR because of his wrists injuries. If you have ever had a cortizone injection (KJ had one in each wrist) you would know how debilitating those injuries can be.”
keylargo, just a little while ago, I and a friend were discussing this. Years ago, my elbow was in real bad shape. The doctor reluctantly gave me a 2nd cortisone shot. What I read about Johnson, was that he had an injection in one wrist, and 3 in the other. Whether that’s accurate or not, I can’t tell you. I know I read that. 3 shots of cortisone in the one wrist.
July 26th, 200910:54 pm
CR – KJ didn’t spark anything today, the Braves were doing fine when he wasn’t there…MARTIN PRADO is the spark. disillusioned Prado lover
Yeah, he ought to be called OLD SPARKY all right. Hitting .255 in his last eleven games including an 0 for 4 today.
July 26th, 200910:56 pm
Well, sir, I don’t feel they are that good of a team. To date, in 2 more games than the Braves, the Cards have given up only 15 runs more and have scored only 4 more. Two months ago I wouldn’t have thought this, but the changes made to date, including Holiday, I think the Braves are no less than the Cards equal offensively…probably better as a whole. When you look at their pitching, I am not sure how they are doing as well as they are. Even if they keep this up, their pitching isn’t as good as the Braves…I think they have a good chance at tailing off.
So, if the trends begin to change, then I’ll have to alter my opinion. For now, however, I don’t consider them a long-term threat. As I said, if the Braves stop winning, this all becomes moot…but…
July 26th, 200911:02 pm
Keylargo I meant to say “isnt”. It was a typo. Prado is the starting 2B, which means Kelly is NOT a starter.
July 26th, 200911:05 pm
Bear & PWHjort
I’ve never had a cortizone injection in a muscle, so I don’t know about that. But I have had them in a joint and they can make your life a lot easier.
The point though was that the KJ haters just crucified him and he was playing hurt. AND NOT ONE KJ HATER WILL EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE HE WAS INJURED.
And Bear, I did not know he had to have 3 injections in one wrist. It must have been severe.
July 26th, 200911:08 pm
Bear, that cant be true. You are only allowed to have 2 cortisone shots every 6 months, otherwise you risk having a diabetic stroke.
Back in 05 one of my dad’s friend had a Dr. give him 2 cortisone shots, one in each knee. Pain didnt go away and he went to another Dr. and didnt mention he had already had 2 cortisone shots. Well the new Dr. gave him two more shots, one in each knee. The next day he was working outside and ended up getting really hot and had a diabetic stroke. Only reason he isnt dead is he passed out in the shade and that kept him cool enough until someone found him. If he would of passed out in the sun he would of been dead.
You remember what I said and don’t try to make it into anything else.
Kelly Johnson will not be traded for a middle relief pitcher.
July 26th, 200911:14 pm
Yes but your basing that on that Kelly is a starting position player and starting position players are not traded for setup men.
Well first that isnt true. I have already pointed out one trade where it has happened. If I wasnt tired I could probably point out some more.
Secondly, Kelly is not a starting position player.
July 26th, 200911:15 pm
Well going to bed. Night all.
Mel on a car phone
It wouldn’t surprise me to see Kelly traded, but it would probably be for more than a middle reliever. Maybe a MR and a decent prospect.
July 26th, 200911:16 pm
Yeah, he ought to be called OLD SPARKY all right. Hitting .255 in his last eleven games including an 0 for 4 today
Once again your way off track keyfargo. While I agree and value KJ, Prado should not be viewed this way. Look at his July numbers. He’s a career .300 hitter, you can’t find any holes in his bat. Sparky.
July 26th, 200911:17 pm
Let me say it for you one last time.
Kelly Johnson is not going to be traded for a middle relief pitcher.
That is what I said and all I said. Nothing more – Nothing less.
July 26th, 200911:18 pm
If the Dodgers aren’t careful, they may not have homefield advantage in the NL playoffs….Philadelphia is now only 5 games back of the Dodgers and closing the gap.
I’d like to see the Braves acquire Dave Weathers. Maybe trade James Parr and Brandon Jones.
July 26th, 200911:19 pm
Inane – good to see you back you little sisy!
July 26th, 200911:20 pm
I did look at his July numbers. He has hit .255 in his last 11 games. 12 for 47.
The A Bomb
July 26th, 200911:21 pm
Prado may be batting .255 in his last 11 games — including that 3-run dong to let us take command Friday night. Ebbs and flows, ebbs and flows. His hitting in the 2-spot allowed Escobar to move down. Prado is the spark that lit this fire. He has had no serious trends below .300.
His versatility allows key players to get rest and if Johnson can fill in the way he did today, then our needs remain — (1) a middle reliever so Moylan sits more and (2) a bat off the bench to replace Norton (Wigginton? Millar?). I don’t think the Rockies will be anxious to deal us Atkins.
Where do you go when you hide for weeks? Using a different name maybe?
I hear Weathers to the Dodgers.
July 26th, 200911:22 pm
Prado was hitting .261 June 20
Prado hit the 3 run Hr Friday and hit other balls hard.One was a linedrive Fielder speared.
July 26th, 200911:25 pm
Atkins isn’t worth the money. He’s making $7.05 million this year. Check his home/away splits over the years. He’s very average away from Coors.
I don’t think we need to trade for a bat off the bench. If Norton doesn’t do something in the next few days, I suspect he’ll be gone. Conrad could replace him and give us more versatility. Infante should be back mid-August to replace Diory and give us an even stronger bench.
Keyfargo, Hey moron, thought I was Knine? Ya you’re correct, we should bench Prado and plug in KJ’s stellar .230 avg.
July 26th, 200911:27 pm
is suggesting the Braves have interest in going after TROY GLAUS
what would you have to give up and wouldn’t the Cardinals have to pay most all of his salary?
July 26th, 200911:28 pm
Braves history has been they pick up a bat — Polonia/Devereaux type — if they’re in the race. They need a guy on the bench who can hit for power, like the Phillies (Stairs).
Prado hit .335 with 2 HR, 25 RBI and .866 OPS in 53 games in the 2nd half of last season.
He’s batting .320 with 6 HR, 25 RBI and .876 OPS in 231 AB so far this year.
I’d say that’s pretty solid.
July 26th, 200911:32 pm
I’d be absolutely shocked if the Braves traded for Glaus. He’s making $11.25 million this year and he’s not due back for at least another couple weeks. The Cards would have to pick up nearly all of that salary and they’re not going to do that without getting a pretty hefty return–more than Glaus is worth, IMO.
Steve from OH
Only 5 days remaining and the lack of Braves trade rumors is starting to get a little worrisome.
I don’t think so. IMO if I’m Wren, I stand pat with what I’ve got, and if I can get a reliever on the cheap, I’ll do it, but otherwise, I’m done until the offseason.
July 26th, 200911:35 pm
Naw, you passed Knine. I only called you that one time. I realized you were inane shortly after.
July 26th, 200911:36 pm
I just can’t imagine Wren going to work tomorrow and playing online poker. How can an MLB GM keep a .115 player on his roster who is nothing more than a pinch hitter?
Bobby likes vets but even he can’t justify keeping Norton. he’s getting beaten on fastballs right down Broadway. I still say they’re looking for a reliever — Saito would be great — and a vet power bat off the bench.
July 26th, 200911:38 pm
Hey Inane – Point out where I said to bench Prado. Didn’t say it. You’re stupid too now that I think of it.
I tend to agree with you, Steve from OH. You figure just getting our injured guys back, especially Infante and Hudson, should help address a couple of the team’s issues. Carlyle could also help the bullpen once he’s healthy. He did a pretty good job last year.
July 26th, 200911:39 pm
Nothing better than an impulse person like you keyfago. Prado been doing this since his first assignment in minors to now. Let’s forget all that and bench the guy cause the .230 hitter had a great game today. I’m done reasoning with you.
“The point though was that the KJ haters just crucified him and he was playing hurt. AND NOT ONE KJ HATER WILL EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE HE WAS INJURED.
And Bear, I did not know he had to have 3 injections in one wrist. It must have been severe
First of all, you can’t win with the KJ haters. If he took himself out of action, he’s a wuss. If he plays hurt, he’s an a–hole. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Secondly, I’m positive I read that, and not from a blogger, but I can’t document that as being the truth. As I said before, my doctor really didn’t want to give me the 2nd one, and I was in bad shape. That was in the elbow. Getting 3 in the wrist, I don’t know. I’ll try to find where I read that, just so you don’t think I’m making it up, but I still have my doubts.
July 26th, 200911:41 pm
OH Steve: I agree. I’ve said all along that if someone stole Frank Wren’s phone, it would be a good thing. The troika of Hudson, Bennett, and Carlyle will help to provide rest to a first-half-over-worked bullpen.
By the by, think Prado moving to third and seeing KJ take second base made for a somber 0-4? Let’s see who starts at second on Tuesday.
Norton strikes out AGAIN, whilst Brooks Conrad withers away at Gwinnett.
Damn you, Bobby Cox.
July 26th, 200911:42 pm
All you have to do is show me where I said to bench Prado. You little POS I’m waiting
July 26th, 200911:44 pm
Just in case you see this when you get up. I agree with everything you said at 11:08. As I said to keylargo, I read it, but that doesn’t mean it’s the facts. I’m pretty sure I read it within the confines of the AJC. If I can find it, I’ll let you know. It had to be around the 4th of July. That’s when he went on the DL.
July 26th, 200911:47 pm
If Infante comes back before September call-ups, and Cox doesn’t drop Greg Norton to Gwinnett (hell yeah, I’d rather have Diorys Hernandez than the human pinch strikeout!). . .
Honestly, if someone got a box of crayons and drew me a picture as to what Norton could possibly contribute to this team, I still wouldn’t get it.
July 26th, 200911:48 pm
Also says the Braves are interested in making a move for RON MAHAY, SAITO, or GRABOW
I would take any one of them but what would you have to give up?
Would Dayton Moore take JOJO for MAHAY?
July 26th, 200911:49 pm
Eric from Mo might be onto something, but I myself have had cortizone injections into the same joint 6 weeks apart. I don’t know that what you read did not mean that he had cortizone injections into the wrist at 3 different points, which would have been possible if a certain volume of cortizone was not exceeded.
I agree NORTON MUST GO
he is a waste of space…
if you are going to keep KJ,…..DFA Norton and bring CONRAD BACK!
July 26th, 200911:51 pm
Amen, Coach Smith!!!
July 26th, 200911:52 pm
I think the Conrad move to Gwinnett was just to buy the Braves a little extra time while they decide what to do. . .
If you noticed today, after Norton fanned he looked down and had that look like. . . this might be it. Had to see it, but it was telling.
July 26th, 200911:53 pm
We don’t need another lefty in the ‘pen.
July 26th, 200911:54 pm
this team is MUCH BETTER with CONRAD and INFANTE than with NORTON and DIORY
July 26th, 200911:56 pm
I don’t know that Mahay or Saito would be any better than what we’ve got. Check their numbers this season. When you do, take not of how right-handed batters have torched Mahay this season. He’d strictly be a guy to get lefties out at best whereas he has done a good job of getting lefties and righties out in the past. Also take not of Saito’s struggles since May–largely due to poor control.
Weathers would be my top target if I’m looking to add a reliever, assuming he can be had at a reasonable price.
The A Bomb
remember that GONZO is a FA at the end of the year and MAHAY is under contract for next year fairly cheap…
if you picked him up you could resign SORIANO and let GONZO go
So I got my Braves BOA card in the mail this weekend! I feel like we just an extra game! This is, to say the least, a good year… I was at the 18-inning classic in Houston, when we lost the playoff series. It was bad, everyone was giving me high-fives, not knowing i was burning inside…. Ah, the playoff memories…
I know they wanted to give Chipper the day off, but could they have been showcasing KJ for other teams. I still say keeping KJ with Infante coming back makes no sense. I pointed out last night that Ari,KC,Oak,and SD all are in need of a 2b. It would be a disservice to KJ to keep him. He is a starting quality 2b and should be with a team where he could start. KJ for a quality RP and a good prospect or two makes sense.
July 26th, 200911:57 pm
Here’s hoping, A Bomb. Honestly, a bench with KJ, Infante, and Conrad would make all concerned quite happy. If Bobby loves him so much, send him to Gwinnett and make ol’ Greggy a September call-up. Give him starter’s at-bats at Gwinnett and see if he can snap out of it (I doubt it).
Basically, that was my polite way of saying acquiring Mahay or Saito, especially Mahay, would be a bad idea for the Braves.
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