3:38 pm July 24, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
July 25th, 200910:27 pm
fastasballs: It’s just nice to know the future is getting closer & closer. We are getting a nice dose of it this season with Tommy Hanson.
Nicely said. Thanks for the update on the kids.
July 25th, 200910:34 pm
there is an ‘r’ on the end of loser, but I guess you already knew that.
July 25th, 200910:35 pm
another example of mismanagement by our fearless leader cox.. … JEFF
Hanson goes 7 strong innings gives up 2 hard fought runs and then
the pen comes in, walks 3 gives up 1 hit and they score two. That’s why I hate sub-par bullpen pitchers … they do stuff like that in less than half the time Tommy pitched and yet Hanson is the one who takes the loss … ChurchMan
OK, what did I miss? We get shut out, for the entire game, and you guys are blaming it on the bullpen?
July 25th, 200910:37 pm
Those uniforms tonight were terrible. And to top it off, they had little butt-flaps on their backsides…terrible, just terrible!
July 25th, 200910:38 pm
So – have all of you who called for Francoeur’s trade stopped posting now? It doesn’t mean that you are bad people because you don’t know baseball, it just means that you should go back to your day jobs and stop posting here.
McClouth of the South wrote: “Based on his numbers he is one of the ten WORST hitters in baseball among everyday players…
Good riddance to him!”
You’re right, he’s batting 5th for our division rival Mets…drove in 4 of their 10 runs with a HR tonight…and I won’t mention he has one of the best arms in baseball and is like 24 years old….and we got what in return?…like I said, great trade.
July 25th, 200910:39 pm
Man, I don’t know what’s more frustrating..
1. Having to listen to the Brewers annoying, unintelligent announcers this entire series because I live in Wisconsin and the Braves channels are blacked out locally.
2. Watching this gain a game, lose a game, gain a game, lose a game bullcrap that the Braves consistently do..
3. Watch Bobby Cox mismanage a game when the game is still close.. O’ Flaherty did his job and made Fielder look like a fool.. He should have been out of the game at that point and when he walked the first right handed batter he faced, Moylan should have been brought in to try and get a DP and get out of the inning.. Instead, Cox sits on his hands in the dugout and watches O’ Flaherty walk a couple more right handed batters before bringing in Manny Acosta who always gives up runs when he is given the chance..
4. Watching this team put on a offensive clinic one night, and barely get a couple of hits the next night.. The way the Braves have been playing, and the way the Brewers have been playing, the Braves shouldn’t be losing games to this team..
I will be at the game tomorrow, the one good thing about that is the last 4 games I have been to between the Braves and Brewers at Miller Park the Braves have won every one of them..
July 25th, 200910:40 pm
Roman Gal, You were not impressed with the red butt flaps?
July 25th, 200910:41 pm
As a matter of fact, I was not.
Steve from OH
July 25th, 200910:44 pm
RG–did you see that my main dawg Adam Milligan hit two homers tonight? Heyward better watch out!
July 25th, 200910:45 pm
Crabapplejoey, you love frenchy so much just become a mets fan and f-off. we don’t give a damn what jf does.
July 25th, 200910:46 pm
Mitchell (July 25th, 2009 10:19 pm): “Last time:
“Nate leads off with a hit. He should have been bunted over. I had an unpleasant feeling after that one.
“Nothing against Martin but I think they should have at least tried to bunt.”
Bunting in the first inning is playing scared.
The Braves had no reason going in to be playing scared — they were on a winning and an offensive roll, and Gallardo was 0-3 in 4 July starts, giving up in his last 3 games 3, 5 and 4 ERs.
And rarely does a single run stand up in that stadium, even if your first inning bunting strategy had worked.
Or is a 4-1 loss better in your eyes than a 4-0 loss?
July 25th, 200910:47 pm
Did we miss the Frenchy 235 for 1000 AB saga or was it just all a mirage… has he suddenly become the 2007 version of David Wright that has gone missing in 09′
Nope, didnt think so..
I like Jeff and will be hauling my butt at to Shea II to wish him well, but I will take Church and his shortcomings until McCovey II is ready in September, thank you very much
Have a nice night all, ciao
I did notice that. Too bad Heyward is a freak of nature. Hey, maybe we can stick him behind the plate…but then what’r we gonna do with Freeman when Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg is ready. Oyy…we’ve got a log-jam on our hands.
July 25th, 200910:48 pm
Roman Gal, It could be worse, the Braves could have instead been known as the Red Pockets or Blue Flaps. I mean that kind of imaginary thinking brought us the White & Red Sox, did it not?
braves fan lmh
The braves need to make a trade for a power hitting first baseman and another reliever. So here is my trade proposal:
Braves get: Adam Dunn, and Joe Beimel
Nationals get: prospects and Casey Kotchman
This way the braves get a middle of the order hitter who can hit a homerun consistently and a veteran reliever with playoff experience. I know Dunn is not that great of a fielder but his offense will make up for it.
July 25th, 200910:49 pm
No it bothers me to see the numbers because people like you think they mean ANYTHING. They don’t.
He was horrible for the Braves. He’ll be horrible for the Mets. And if he turns it around there, BFD. He wasn’t turning it around in Atlanta.
I don’t get BC allowing O’flarety to pitch once he has walked 2 straight batters. I know BC is a genius HOF manager, but I don’t believe there is another mgr. in the majors who would allow him to face that 3rd batter when you have a RH in the pen ready to go , bottom of the 8th and down by 2. It makes no sense, spin it any way you want.
July 25th, 200910:50 pm
Oyy…we’ve got a log-jam on our hands.
Ok…KJ, Schafer, Heyward and Riaan are locks…Milligan to left, Freeman to short. Done and done. Yunel can join Prado on the bench.
Some of you folks are unreal. i know you will never get it, but sometimes you just have to “tip your cap and say good job.” Gallardo pitched a heck of a ballgame tonight. I know that most of you have to blame someone every time they lose, but their isn’t any blame to be placed tonight. They got beat. The sun will still rise tomorrow, I promise. Blaming Bobby for O’Flaherty’s bad 8th inning is just plain ignorant.
If they were going to do that, they might as well be called the Atlanta Butt-Flaps.
July 25th, 200910:51 pm
Frenchy pounded some scrub relievers tonight?
Add this to his success against the stellar Washington staff and it’s obvious that he’s turned things around!
July 25th, 200910:52 pm
Escobar can become a pitcher.
Are their actually people on here who are missing Frenchy?? Good God, he has been one the worst everyday players in the game going on two years now. Get over it.
July 25th, 200910:53 pm
I’m not sure he’s got the makeup for it, RG. We could always trade him for Chad Qualls or Scott Linebrink though…
July 25th, 200910:55 pm
Now if you’re looking for a guy with a good makeup to pitch, look no further than David Eckstein. Perhaps we could trade Yunel for him…
July 25th, 200910:56 pm
How about Escobar for Ryan Freel?
That could work, too. His grittiness factor is off the charts…
July 25th, 200910:58 pm
You don’t think we’d have to throw in Hanson, though, do you?
July 25th, 200911:00 pm
Nah, he’s too gritty. Wouldn’t be a fair trade. Need someone with less grit. Probably Prado.
July 25th, 200911:02 pm
Speaking of gritty…how about Cordier tonight?
How did he only allow 1 ER?
July 25th, 200911:04 pm
So if I have read some of the arguments here tonight, and I have gotten them correct
1. In a game where we had the massive sum total of 4 hits, it is Mr Cox’s fault that whilst losing 2-0 he decided to rest our big 3 BP pitchers to give O’Flahrty a longer trot and said horse puked on all straights and turns and walked a few hitters in game we were not going to score in
2. Frenchy is now the 2nd coming of Hank Aaron after scoring in a 10-1 cakelwalk where he hit a hr off some bum (note D lost my power Wright also hit his 6th, yes SIXTH hr for the year)
3. Our schizo offense did what we have seen all year, sputter and fart against a great pitshing effort
OUR combined solution – get another helter skelter bullpen arm
“I don’t think so Tim”
Lets get a big nasty mother of a hitter and put him behind Chipper
July 25th, 200911:05 pm
I think he just enjoys pitching from the stretch, RG. Or his stuff is so good that the minor league umpires can’t keep up…
Poorjeff wrote: “Crabapplejoey, you love frenchy so much just become a mets fan and f-off. we don’t give a damn what jf does.”
Well now, I post a few stats on JF and wonder if the trade was best for the Braves and you tell me to “f-off” and you didn’t even post under your real screen name….what a man. What’s the problem did “Frenchy” steal your girlfriend in high school? Relax, Frenchy is married now and living in New York….your signficant other is safe…for now…but watch out for Church he was 0 for 2 tonight and lookin’ for a little pick me up….if you know what I mean…LOL
July 25th, 200911:09 pm
Or it’s like in the All-Star game, once you get to a certain point you have to start the inning with runners on…maybe they just wanted to give the other team a little head-start.
Further evidence the Braves need a BIG BAT….Against good pitching, they need some punch…Zito, Gallardo
July 25th, 200911:10 pm
A good theory, RG. I think that’s what Rohrbough is doing too.
July 25th, 200911:11 pm
Gallardo had some good stuff tonight.
•Geoff Baker of The Seattle Times says that if the Mariners get a really good offer for Erik Bedard, Jarrod Washburn, or Russell Branyan, they should take it considering the team’s recent swoon.
July 25th, 200911:13 pm
I think Church has done a good job, plenty more walks and quality at bats than Francoeur.
Maybe…and since Huddy gave the other team a head-start last time he pitched he did well. So when he gets to the big leagues, just have Jeff Bennett come in and pitch the first inning for all of Cole’s starts…
July 25th, 200911:15 pm
Andruw Jones Batting Avg…(Who’d a thunk it in 2006?)
BTW… Brooks Conrad @ Gwinnett is now 1-10 (with a single and 6 K’s)…fwiw
July 25th, 200911:17 pm
“In a game where we had the massive sum total of 4 hits, it is Mr Cox’s fault that whilst losing 2-0 he decided to rest our big 3 BP pitchers to give O’Flahrty a longer trot and said horse puked on all straights and turns and walked a few hitters in game we were not going to score in” … dogsbrekky
Thank you, sir. I was starting to think that maybe it was just me that was nuts. (my 10:35 post)
July 25th, 200911:18 pm
njbraves, i’m with you. I think the Braves got dominated tonight by a guy who knows how to pitch to this team, for whatever reason. He’s given up only six hits and no runs in 15 1/3 shutout innings against the Braves this year, has Gallardo. When you strike out Chipper Jones looking, twice, on curveballs, you are having a good night and you are winning the batting of the minds. To me, the sounds I heard in the Braves clubhouse are what you want – it was quiet, sure, but I heard people talking about hitting, and talking about what Gallardo was doing to them. It was guys like Chipper and Anderson and Kotchman and McCann. The feeling I got was not of a locker room of a bunch of defeated guys, but hitters who knew they got beat tonight and were trying to constructively figure out how. Then move on.
That’s my take anyway.
July 25th, 200911:22 pm
McCann on Gallardo: “He’s got good stuff. Today he used a lot of his offspeed pitches, was able to throw them for strikes. Just commanded . He’s sneaky. He’s one of those guys that you don’t see the ball that well off of. He throws 94 and he’s got three pitches.”
from Bobby Cox:
“Prado, first and second, he hit a bullet right at Lopez at second,” Cox said. “If that gets through, Chipper and Mac are coming up. That was kinda the turning point for the offense right there. He hit that really hard. Gallardo was outstanding. The guy pitched a great game. We had a couple chances and that’s about all you get. And they got lucky it was hit right at him.”
And Hanson, in his usual, kinda understated, laid back way, said: “I felt good out there. Their guy just out-dueled me a little bit.”
July 25th, 200911:23 pm
I am STILL laughing at that LOAFY post at 10:whatever. hahahaha
At least he didn’t say “you gotta tip your hat…”
July 25th, 200911:24 pm
he = Bobby for the short busers.
July 25th, 200911:25 pm
Gallardo struggled in his last few games because he wasn’t throwing strikes. Any pitcher that has to pitch when he’s always behind in the count isn’t ususally going to be very successful. Apparently, he relocated the strike zone, tonight (unfortunately).
July 25th, 200911:28 pm
RG – yeah I wasn’t a fan of those pockets either.
July 25th, 200911:31 pm
Things I hate more than when The Jeff Freakin Francoeur Fan Club shows up here every time he does something besides look retarded at the plate:
I’ll get back to you. I’m sure I’ll think of something.
July 25th, 200911:36 pm
RHR’s got a streak going
July 25th, 200911:39 pm
RHR–funny stuff, bro!
Jeff Francoeur himself?
July 25th, 200911:41 pm
I’m with you, but I just realized the beauty of it:
We only have to hear it once a week or so!
July 25th, 200911:46 pm
Gross mismanagement of a game by sir Booby, and if I see these guys swing at the first goddamned pitch again I am going to freakin EXPLODE!!!!
What a damn joke Booby has become! his ass should be tarred, feathered and ran out of town after tonight! Baseball strategist my Ass!
The Bird and Indian
July 25th, 200911:50 pm
Joebrave: How did Bobby mismanage the game tonight. He could have take Eric out a batter earlier but that’s it.
July 25th, 200911:52 pm
Nobody but BC allows his reliever in a close game in the 8th inning to walk the bases loaded! Nobody! I didn’t say it cost us the game. I didn’t say the other guy didn’t pitch great. What I am saying is what BC did allowing him to pitch to the 3rd guy and walk him was dumb as dirt. He wasn’t even close to throwing a strike according to radio announcersto the first 2 guys. If you let him walk 3 why not just leave his “you know what” in there? After all, if you aren’t really trying to hold them close who gives a a rats butt? If you are trying to keep it a 2 run game you don’t give him the chance to walk the bases loaded. If you think he should have you are nuts and don’t know anything about baseball. Allowing someone to keep poking you in the eye with a sharp stick hoping they will stop is the essence of stupidity!
July 25th, 200911:54 pm
Bobby is a goshdarned IDIOT!!! did you even watch the Game???
What I saw was one kid pitching his ass off, and 8 other loaf around martafockers doin jack squat, especially the ol Hall Of Famer, Chipster, that sonofabitch needs to be traded asap, and take that lazy-assed Anderson with him!!! geez for cryin out loud this guy ole’s more damn ground than the Freakin french Army!!!!
July 25th, 200911:55 pm
And yes I am on Chipper’s ass, that turd thinks defence is what he is supposed to paint out by the damn road , you know that there thing what keeps the cows in!!!
Jman (Yunel is a Saint!)
July 25th, 200911:56 pm
Want a break from baseball?
Check this out… It’s long and detailed, but it’s worth the read. Check it out and let me know what you think.
The A Bomb
Gallardo is flat out Ben Sheets nasty. Same results as well. . .
Norton whiffed on a fastball right down the middle (again) — here comes a bench bat — I smell it!
For relief — Saito, Grabow, Baez (please no) or Mahay (Part II). Saito would be my pick.
July 25th, 200911:58 pm
“Gross mismanagement of a game by sir Booby, and if I see these guys swing at the first goddamned pitch again I am going to freakin EXPLODE!!!!
What a damn joke Booby has become! his ass should be tarred, feathered and ran out of town after tonight! Baseball strategist my Ass!” … Joebrave
You have a pitcher with great stuff, shutting down a team that has been hitting about as well as any team in baseball, lately. What exactly was Bobby supposed to do about it? Tell all these +/- .300 hitters to take 2 and then hit to left? When is the last time you played ball, T-ball?
Wayne in Utah
July 25th, 200911:59 pm
joe and monty
Maybe you guys should go get a room. Damn, I’ve never heard such a bunch of whining cry babies in my life, except after every loss on this blog.
Can’t we just get beat sometimes without BC being a total idiot???
You guys are a couple of dodo heads. (trying to keep it civil)
July 26th, 200912:00 am
I would make a play for Chad Qualls, personally.
July 26th, 200912:01 am
Hanson still undefeated as an Atlanta Braves.
Screw Atlanta Black Crackers.
July 26th, 200912:02 am
Don’t you realize it by now. If the Braves lose, it’s because Bobby is an idiot.
July 26th, 200912:03 am
Qualls would be good, just haven’t heard his name yet.
Funny — when we face a top notch pitcher — Santana, Oswalt, Peavy, Lincecum etc. . . Cox always seems to play small ball early, bring the infield in a lot earlier in those situations because runs are at a premium. Cox better start putting Gallardo in that category. Doesn’t seem like we will be lighting him up any time soon. . . Better take that attitude against Josh Johnson next week as well.
It’s not playing scared — it’s playing smart.
I didn’t have any illusions that Hanson was going to go undefeated for his career, I guess. 2 ER’s in 7 innings ain’t too bad normally, we just ran into a Gallardo buzz saw tonight.
No RG, I hate his fans that come here once a month to say “ne ne ne ne Jeff got a hit…don’t you regret trading him now? huh huh don’t ya?” way … way more than I hate Jeff. I actually don’t mind Jeff at all now that he doesn’t work for the Braves anymore.
July 26th, 200912:04 am
My bad! It was another splendid use of the bullpen. BC is noted for that, right?? You’re opinions are always so spot on dude.
July 26th, 200912:05 am
D’backs are going nowhere. Qualls might be available for the right package. His name as been floated on MLBTradeRumors a few times.
July 26th, 200912:06 am
And you are always so full of she-it too!
BTW, the bullpen usage had exactly ZERO percent outcome on the game.
July 26th, 200912:08 am
RHR and RG
As popular as Jeff was with a select group of fans, I guess we should expect the ocassional na-na-na-na-na-na.
July 26th, 200912:09 am
You guys are a couple of dodo heads. (trying to keep it civil) … Wayne in Utah
I hate to correct someone that is on the same page as I am, but if you’re quoting scoots, it’s “doo doo”.
Did some of our prospects show off their skills tonight???
Joebrave: “”Gross mismanagement of a game by sir Booby, and if I see these guys swing at the first goddamned pitch again I am going to freakin EXPLODE!!!!
What a damn joke Booby has become! his ass should be tarred, feathered and ran out of town after tonight! Baseball strategist my Ass!”"
You know, Joebrave, I’m beginning to feel like you don’t like Bobby. Does this mean you’re no longer with us on the bandwagon? Who the Hell’s gonna bring the tater salad now!?
Oh, ok. So…Jeff Francoeur as a Brave?
July 26th, 200912:10 am
I stand corrected….it’s definitely doo doo!
July 26th, 200912:12 am
I woulda thought Couch Tater would be bringin’ the tater salad???
RHR, I have an autistic son who is the light of my life. So take your short bus comment and shove it up your a@#.
And calm down guys its one road loss. To blame BC is just not right tonight. Hes made some bonehead moves this year I’ll agree but tonight was’nt one of them.
And Dunn is not the answer at first. Way too many Ks. If a guy hits 40 HRs he should drive in 125 runs. Dunn hits meaningless HRs and Ks when it counts. Against Gallardo tonight he would done what Fielder did against Vazquez.
Wayne, he’s into couches more than salads…
July 26th, 200912:13 am
Joe don’t know how to bring anything but a big mouth. (not dissimilar to my smart mouth, I might add)
To all those tonight who say we can’t do it against real pitching:
That is all.
July 26th, 200912:14 am
LOS ANGELES 3 BOT 6
Nobody but BC allows his reliever in a close game in the 8th inning to walk the bases loaded! Nobody!
LaRusa’s 6th inning with the Cardinals leading 4-3: A leadoff strikeout, Tony then changes pitchers, the next guy comes in walks one, gives up a single, gets a flyout, walks another guy, gives up a grand slam, gives up a solo homerun, gives up a double, and finally gets a ground out to end the inning.
the hopes of the braves nation rest in your hands mr. hanson
wow. its stuff to get on here and read the comments on this board after a game…..
it makes you realize, that as a whole, braves fans are no nothing about baseball. its sad. countless numbers of our idiot fanbase are blaming the loss on the mis management of the bullpen. i think cox is past his prime and i wish we had a new manager…..but blaming tonights loss on him is insane. its just dumb. do you people realize we hadnt scored a single run and were down by two late when the bullpen let up a couple of runs? you do realize that if it would have been 1-0 or 12-0 we would have lost anyways?
i cant believe they let you people operate vehicles….
No RG, I hate his fans that come here once a month to say “ne ne ne ne Jeff got a hit
I hate dislike the fans that insist on giving minute-by-minute update’s on Francoeur’s at-bats, meals, hobbies and defensive mishaps. I don’t care how badly he’s sucking in New York. I don’t care what he did today. I don’t care what he did yesterday. I don’t care what he does tomorrow. I. Don’t. Care.
July 26th, 200912:15 am
Buddy Carlyle 2 more scoreless rehab innings in AAA Gwinnett tonight. That’s 4 scoreless rehab innings for Carlyle. Came in after Bennett struggled to throw a strike giving up 2 earned in the 1st. Any word on when they may activate him?
“”That is all.”"
Wait a minute, you can’t just say “that is all” and prance-azz on outa here! Where’s the damn respect!?
July 26th, 200912:17 am
Superhoo…. We can do it against REAL pitching. I think we just need to put guys like Gallardo, Josh Johnson, Billingsley etc. into that elite category and play for runs any way we can get them.
We didn’t approach Gallardo (again) like we should have and it cost us. Maybe Cox will change the philosophy against Johnson on Wednesday and Billingsley just around the corner. If he doesn’t it will be tough to beat those guys.
July 26th, 200912:22 am
I don’t know if I would play differently against some of the top pitchers. What does that say about your confidence in our offense?
Not saying that I would never play for 1 run, but most of the time it is a failed strategy early in games. Just my opinion though….
July 26th, 200912:23 am
Gotta run…later folks
Bobby’s philosophy is kinda like tungsten-reinforced concrete, it’s pretty well locked in place. It don’t change much.
July 26th, 200912:24 am
If we can beat the Brewers tomorrow, and win the series, it will be a good stop. Yeah, having a sickly rookie pitching his heart out, and we can’t score for him, sucks. But what are you going to do? Good pitching is always going to beat good hitting. Always has, always will. If we can keep playing the way we have been, we will make the play offs. And with pitchers like JJ, Vazquez and co. Hey, you never know!
July 26th, 200912:25 am
monty: The bullpen usage wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the game. Bobby really didn’t misuse it either. He maybe should have taken Eric out one batter earlier but he was giving him a chance. I’m glad he used Acosta because Moylan needs as much rest as he can get. If Moylan came in everyone would have whined about using him again. All of their RBI’s were choppers if you think about it. The pitcher’s hit was a chopper over Chipper. Council’s hit was a chopper that went like 20 feet. Then Mcgehee’s hit was a chopper that got through. Just some tough luck, let’s go get them tomorrow.
Nice post Bear.
July 26th, 200912:26 am
This team is so aggressive that these top-flight pitchers KNOW they can let the Braves get themselves out, exactly what happened tonight. Rollover ground balls, fly balls off the end of the bats — Really the most solid hit was the leadoff single by McLouth.
I think when a pitcher –whether elite or not — gives us habitual trouble, it can’t be business as usual. Forget the last few games — we’re not a home run hitting club.
Carlyle will help but I like the idea of getting Qualls. And SD,Ari,Wash,Sea,KC all need a 2nd basemen so surely the Braves could use KJ to get a reliever out of one of them. I know they wouldnt go for it but how about KJ and a mid level minor leaguer or 2 for Soria.
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