3:38 pm July 24, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
July 25th, 20094:47 pm
Frank Wren/John Scherholz: “Prospects….we hate em!”,
Dude, are you thick? How many times are you going to post that list? We got it the 274773838487th time you posted it. You can stop now.
Soph Hmm…just lost all my local channels.
Huh…WordPress musta eaten ‘em…
Bay Area Steve McCann seemed to struggle with the specs last night.
He sure did…
Steve from OH
Hanson was drafted in the 22nd round, what changed is he performed.
This isn’t exactly apples-to-apples. Firstly, like Efrim said Happ has oodles of minor league exposure that’s taken into consideration. Secondly, Hanson was a draft-and-follow, so taken in the 22nd round really isn’t indicative of his talent level IMO. And, of course, draft rounds aren’t all that indicative anyway because players rise/fall due to signability concerns all the time…
July 25th, 20094:49 pm
Carroll – thanks for the lineup.
Choppinmama – good stuff, thanks! Of course he had important stuff going on on his bb. I would expect nothing less.
Can’t wait to see these unis.
And I didn’t know the Phillies were at home or I wouldn’t have called sweep.
Sounds like deadspin readers were right on about Miller Park – http://deadspin.com/5322107/why-your-stadium-sucks-miller-park
Bay Area Steve
Paul Lentz > Jeff321
Yeah, I said it. (And I’d like MFIKY to take out Dense.)
RHR, you say it like it’s a word, too? I just say the letters of the acronym. M.F.I.K.Y. acceptable?
Halladay would make the current team stronger, but would he make the organization better? Probably not, with the probability of losing Drabek and Happ +others. They would have to resign Roy to a new contract to make this even a feasible trade,no guarantees there.
July 25th, 20094:50 pm
Hanson got 2nd round money when he signed.
Efrim-The question was not does Halladay improve the Phillies-he does. No doubt about it. However, does he make them a lock to win the Division? Hell No he doesn’t. They are still a majorly flawed team-especially their pitching-even with hi,. Improvement-yes. Lock to win the division- No.
July 25th, 20094:51 pm
Anyone else think that we’re going to see a very quiet deadline around here? Absolutely the only rumor that has even popped up was about our scouts at the White Sox and AA Dodgers. Konerko has been shot down and I’m not seeing any other fits with those. FW is either keeping things very quiet or doesn’t have much going on.
Either the crank has worn-off and Lentz is sleeping, or foul-play is likely.
July 25th, 20094:52 pm
Efrim: “Pete, a third of his starts. 8 of his 19 against the AL East to date. Sorry about that. But I think you got my point…..or maybe you didn’t.”
Indeed I did; no need to exaggerate to prove your point. And you said “against the Red Sox, Rays and Yanks,” which is not the same as “the AL East”.
Wait, so how is M.F.I.K.Y. pronounced? Mah-fick-ee?
I’ve been saying the whole name – in my head of course, not out loud.
July 25th, 20094:54 pm
BAS-I’m not sure what Seth’s problem was last night, but the Brewer’s site is listing it as elbow discomfort. He had Tommy Johnson surgery some years ago (maybe 4-5 years), but as we’re starting to see, the potential for more trouble is becoming apparent. It would seem that the TJ procedure is not the panacea we were thinking it was. Yet another reason I’m not willing to go out on a limb and hand Hudson $13 million based on a few starts the last month and a half of this season.
Steve from OH, thanks. I’m not saying it is impossible for something to click for a guy like Happ, who is 26 years old. But chances are he isn’t going to stray too far from what most people thought he was, which is a back of the rotation starter.
Maybe I am looking at this all wrong, and it really is a true buyers market where the Jays aren’t going to get too much for the best pitcher in baseball. Kind of makes me ill, considering the perceived value of what we gave up for Teixiera. I know he is an elite hitter, but he isn’t wasn’t “the best” hitter. I can’t think of even one starting pitcher I’d rather have on my team than this guy.
July 25th, 20094:55 pm
The Real Bobby – Not that it’s a big deal, but I didn’t say that. I was quoting whoever did say it.
July 25th, 20094:57 pm
Lew, well, if we really want to get specific, does any player traded mid season make the other team a lock for a division title? I think you just try to make an upgrade to your team, and hopefully that pans out. Which is probably what the Phillies have in mind if they make the deal. There aren’t any “locks” in baseball.
July 25th, 20094:58 pm
You can say made up words any way you want to, BASteve.
VJim trying to get me to change my way of saying it to match up with Mitchie and cabraves – west coasters. Psh. I’m from the south, y’all. VJim might change his accent in an effort to impress his lady friend cabraves but I’m certainly not going to.
At least Loaf is universal, right? (LOW-Fuh)
I’ve been saying the whole name – in my head of course, not out loud.
Maybe you should start saying it out loud….just to see what people around you do.
July 25th, 20094:59 pm
CB-And with the payroll those boomers like Howard and Utley are demanding now and into the future, I know for a fact that the Phillies are at the limits of their payroll capabilities. AND, they will need to acquire more pitching this winter. Moyer is just NOT going to keep going effectively like some Energizer Pitching Rabbit and Blanton will have to be extended (or not) sooner or later.
Halladay wn’t just cost them the best of their young pitching, but a bundle of $$$$$ they may not even have. Theirs is a large City and they are currently pulling in the fans, but they’re still not LA, NY, Boston (who owns an entire region) or Chicago.
July 25th, 20095:00 pm
# 31………..Glaus would probably be too pricey…..considering his salary and history of injuries. I wouldnt make the trade.
July 25th, 20095:01 pm
I like how most of the time I talk about absolute BS right in the midst of you guys talking serious baseball. I hope I don’t get kicked out by the elder statesmen around here. I might say something enlightening someday, you just never know.
Enter your comments here
Major Leagues 2 is on Comedy Central right now.
“Cerrano goes back, under it, makes the ca…. No! It goes off his glove and over for a home run! Credit Cerrano with an RBI.”
Efrim-Maybe so. I just think Halladay would help the rotation, but it would still be a sub par rotation notwithstanding. I think the current series with the Cards will underline the flaws in the Phillies’ lineup quite clearly.
July 25th, 20095:03 pm
I got my August issue off ChpoTalk in the mail a few minutes ago. Just finished reading a GREAT article on pages 20-22. Loved it. Very well done…
July 25th, 20095:05 pm
RHR – I rather enjoy your “absolute BS”
I bet Boston wonders who this guy is wearing Lugo’s name on a Cards jersey.
Ok..thats enough BS from me, gotta walk the dog, mop the floor, and make/pickup dinner before game time.
RHR-This LOF would never advocate your dismissal. You add plenty to the group even if you can be occasionally full of it. Most of us are.
(that’s a compliment, btw)
July 25th, 20095:06 pm
TWHG – ha! I love that movie.
Does anybody else think that David Ross resembles the catcher that they trade for and then trade away (I forget his name)?
July 25th, 20095:07 pm
McFann – Lauren from BravesLove was telling me about what a good issue that is. Of course I don’t have mine yet, maybe Monday. I never did get my July issue either. I sent them an email last night. Hopefully my numerically challenged mailman isn’t leaving them in someone elses box.
McFann-Must be Home Town Timing at work there. I won’t get my copy til the middle of the week.
didn’t realize there was a “correct” way of pronouncing MFIKY I was going with “mah-fiky” also but by all means, please inform the masses of the correct way to say it… (and VJ doesn’t have a southern accent- he’s a native New Yorker )
July 25th, 20095:08 pm
Aww thanks guys. <3
Okay really gone now. I need a maid.
July 25th, 20095:10 pm
July 25th, 20095:12 pm
By the way……Matt Harrison, one of the 5 “prized prospects” that the Braves gave up in the Teixeria trade…………….is reportedly out for the year. 2 years of injuries. The white man’s version of Horatio Ramirez.
I still have yet to see how we “gave up the farm” or “stocked the Rangers with future All-Stars” with that trade. Many of you ASSUMED the worst with that trade. Just because the National Media says so……..doesnt mean that it is “iron clad”.
hanson vs braun round 2 hope it goes better than round one for tommy
July 25th, 20095:15 pm
Speaking of Major League….
Anyone notice that Boog and Joe called Bob Uecker “Harry Doyle” last night? Hilarious lol
Bay Area Steve (July 25th, 2009 4:45 pm): “can’t believe you let MFin09/TnBrian/Jeff321’s comment about you being “DOB’s boy” slide. Aren’t you one of the few who likes to challenge DOB?”
Well, of course.
And he’s taken it out my hide more than once or twice. (Eg, “effete” Michael Phelps/swimmers, Escobar/Pena, Kotsay being lax once in ‘08 ST.)
(And Abreu/OBP. And his ‘08 Smoltz interview. And regarding his “pretentious and oh-so-hip musical blatherings”.)
It was too absurd a charge to respond to in the singular. If he had repeated it (as he did his “internet stalker” charge), I’d've responded somehow. (Maybe along the lines above.)
I hope you guys saw Ankiel’s catch.
July 25th, 20095:16 pm
I think that Rick Ankiel has to have the BEST arm in the outfield in baseball. He just robbed Jason Werth of a home run……..then threw the ball ON THE FLY to first base, from the center field wall, almost over throwing Pulols at first, trying to double up Ibanez.
Dude makes Francoeur arm’s look like a 10 year old little girl. I’m not knocking Francoeur arm’s so much as I’m giving Ankiel his due. Dude has a freaking CANNON.
July 25th, 20095:17 pm
McFann, did that article by any channce feature our future HOF catcher, Brian McCann?
July 25th, 20095:18 pm
It’s a very good issue (hey, there’s a tour of Chipper’s house in there, too…making the wait worse for ya as best I cann)!
You haven’t gotten your July issue? That’s rather odd…Maybe your mailman saw that it said “July”, and thought he wasn’t s’posed to give it to you till July.
I think this is the earliest I’ve ever gotten one of mine–says it was mailed out on July 22, so 3 days…yeah, I think that’s a new record for me.
But yeah, like I said, very good issue–particularly pages 20-22……
July 25th, 20095:19 pm
Double by Holliday to lead off the 4th. Still 3-1 Phillies.
As a matter of fact, it did! How’d you ever guess?
July 25th, 20095:21 pm
1st and 3rd, 0 outs top of the 4th for the Cards.
Superhoo- It must’ve been right after the pitch that was “juuuuuuuuuuust a bit outside” in the 8th.
Unfortunatly I think the Phillies pull the trigger on the Halliday deal. Their window of opp. is running short. the core of that team is over 30. However I did find it interesting that Halliday believes hes staying so maybe I’m wrong. I dont have time to read all the blogs but I do wonder has Paul “I Know it all” Lentz has admitted he was wrong about the sweep.
And has anybody heard if Oakland might be willing to part with Ziegler.
July 25th, 20095:22 pm
cabravesfan – how are you doing today? Thanks for making it clear to RHR that I do not share an accent with her (not that there’s anything wrong with that). I heard from out buddy Tom O. last night – he’s already gone again for two weeks.
Ryan Howard rifled a throw “to the left fielder” to mess up a double play. Runner on 2nd, 1 out, score 3-2 Phillies.
July 25th, 20095:26 pm
I knew it had to be!
July 25th, 20095:27 pm
not sure why I am defending a self admitted Mets fan (although I know you have since seen the error of your way… ) but you are welcome (and for the record, RHR, I love southern accents). I’m good- beautiful day out here today. What’s new in ATL? Nice to know our friend is still alive- he leads a rough life doesn’t he?
July 25th, 20095:28 pm
irddawgbill……………I’m glad I was wrong about the sweep prediction the other night.
Our offense is taking the game out of Bobby’s hands when it comes to who he brings in from the bullpen in a close game prior to the 9th inning…..as well as who he brings in to pinch hit when we need a big hit.
As long as we keep winning by 5 plus runs a game………it wont matter who comes in from the bullpen or pinch hits.
However, eventually our offense will cool off……….and then you guys will see how Moylan, Kelly, and Norton do in “critical” situations.
July 25th, 20095:29 pm
Paul Lentz (July 25th, 2009 5:12 pm): “Matt Harrison, one of the 5 “prized prospects” that the Braves gave up in the Teixeria trade…………….is reportedly out for the year. 2 years of injuries. The white man’s version of Horatio Ramirez.”
That’s kind of offensive.
You could have gone with “the tall man’s version of Mike Hampton”, you know.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 25th, 20095:30 pm
Well Happy Braves/Brewers Saturday everyone!!!
Did we get a line-up or did I miss it…I just went to the last page on the blog?
July 25th, 20095:31 pm
Exactly Paul as of right now we stole Teixera
Matt Harrison (MLB) – (4-5) 6.11 ERA 1.64 WHIP .316 BAA (injured OFS for second time)
Elvis Andrus (MLB) – .254 3 HR 17 RBI .315 OBP .346 SLG .661 OPS
Jarrod Saltalamacchia (MLB) – .242 7 HR 30 RBI .292 OBP .371 SLG .663 OPS
Beau Jones (AA) – (2-4) 5.88 ERA 1.96 WHIP
Neftali Feliz (AAA) – (4-5) 3.44 ERA 1.27 ERA (may be the ONLY piece we miss from this trade)
Wasn’t as bad as people make it.
In essence for those guys we got a year of Teixera, 2.5 years of kotchman, and stephen merek I make that trade ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!
July 25th, 20095:32 pm
Neil Young – A Man Needs A Maid.
Random – Unpretentious musical blathering.
That’s one upside of having Troy Glaus play 1st base for you, he can’t throw the ball into left field because it would bounce 5 times before it gets to 2nd.
July 25th, 20095:33 pm
Random: “That’s kind of offensive.
You could have gone with “the tall man’s version of Mike Hampton”, you know.”
Then all short men would have been offended. Someones always gonna be offended; tis a shame.
July 25th, 20095:36 pm
I make that trade ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!
You’re discounting, of course, the fact that Andrus already plays fantastic defense and is 20 years old, whereas most 20 year-olds are in college or in rookie ball or A ball somewhere. Heck, Erik Cordier in hi-A is 23 and Mycal Jones in Danville is 22. EA is a lot younger than them. Anyway, my point on him is that he’s already a plus defender, and above replacement-level with the bat. He’s still got a lot of room to grow, and his floor is probably a league-average stick with ++ defense=valuable player. Feliz will, at the very least, be a power arm out of the ‘pen and a future closer IMO. So let’s not act like we gave up nothing, because we did give them at least two useful players in the future.
If St. Louis ate almost all of Troy Glaus’s contract…I’d take a chance with him…
Low risk…high reward posibilities…
July 25th, 20095:37 pm
cabravesfan – it seems like a long day here waiting for the game (and for you to roll out of…whereever you just rolled out of). Watched some of Butch Cassidy – I don’t guess you caught it in the theaters since you were negative nine when it came out.
July 25th, 20095:38 pm
Paul Lentz…I knew you couldn’t go more than a few posts without bringing up Moylan and “critical situations.” How’s your KJ prediction going so far?? He’s really disrupting the team huh? Moron.
July 25th, 20095:39 pm
If the Cardinals were to contribute some towards Glaus’s salary it could be doable. I imagine insurance had paid a pretty large chunk of Glaus’s salary this season. He went 1-4 with 2 walks last night at AA playing first (I think).
July 25th, 20095:40 pm
Man Julio Lugo even looks like a St. Louis Cardinal….couple hits today again…
I wouldn’t necessarily compare Harrison to H. Ramirez because Harrison is more of a power pitcher. But I guess the thing they have in common is dealing with injuries and ineffectiveness at the big league level. Regarding the Tex trade, I still think it is too soon to make a final evaluation about which team fared better. It’s kind of like the “experts” who grade the NFL draft the day after it is completed – you can’t really assess that until years later (remember when everyone said the Falcons had a steal after drafting Jimmy Williams).
Hey Nova Scotia Steve,
I would love to have Glaus but it’s painfully obvious that it’s a huge downgrade defensively. On the plus side it’s a huge upgrade defensively. Basically it’s a pick your poison type situation.
Shane…like you said, the only piece I think we gave up is Neftali Feliz. the kid id dupposed to have great stuff. Otherwise, Salty, Andrus, and Harrison haven’t been very impressive.
Random……………how saying that Matt Harrison was the “white man’s version of Horatio Ramirez”, offensive? Both were highly coveted, young, left handers who cant stay healthy. If you look at their career stats, both have high ERA, a small strikeout/walk ratio, basically 5 inning pitchers. One just happens to be white, the other Hispanic.
The A Bomb
July 25th, 20095:41 pm
All you guys who think Ross looks like Jack Parkman, check out Ryan Doumit (with stubble). . .
July 25th, 20095:42 pm
cards tie it up…lugo is 3-3 with a ribbie and an SB
whereever I just rolled out of? What kind of girl do you think I am? I’ve been up since my phone rang at 7:00 this morning…honestly, who calls someone at 7am on a SATURDAY??
Shane………nice posting at 5:21 pm concerning how the “prospects” from the Teixeria trade are doing. I’ve made similar postings.
Meanwhile. 3-3 top fo the 5th in the Phillies-Cards game. Top of the 5th, 1 out, runner on 2nd, Pujols up.
Not acting like we gave up nothing but every one acts like we got absolutely screwed and with Yunel manning short who will miss Andrus????? So he was EASILY EXPENDABLE! And how can you say his FLOOR is a league average stick???? when his CAREER MINOR LEAGUE OPS is .704 and his best was .775 looks to me to be an above avg defender with a CEILING to be an avg MAJOR LEAGUE hitter.
July 25th, 20095:43 pm
yeah man…why not take a shot…
your going to have to give up a hell of a lot more for Lyle Overbay…if they’re even interested in him…
and Glaus has some power dude…
Steve from OH………..It’s a BIG IF, assuming that Elvis Andrus will “fill out” and develop offensively. I’m not saying that his glove isnt good. I’m saying that as of right now, Andrus is a typical, “all glove, no hit” shortstop.
July 25th, 20095:44 pm
Lugo with the RBI double BTW
I actually like when Paul posts. Easy to scroll pat and makes the blog refresh much better.
July 25th, 20095:45 pm
njbraves……..one single in one at-bat, lol. Lets sign Kelly to a 6 year, $126 extension before he changes his mind and rejects it.
July 25th, 20095:46 pm
cabravesfan – one of your many admirers, I have no doubt. I guess you are not lucky enough to have the Cards-Phillies game – Pujols just flew out in lieu of giving the Cards the lead. Now Holliday’s chance.
July 25th, 20095:48 pm
Lentz — that’s $21 a year — well worth it for Johnson. BTW get that crow recipe ready!
njbraves………….you really consider Matt Harrison more of a “power pitcher”? Hum, let’s take a look at his stats: 63 innings pitched this year, 23 walks, 34 strikeouts.
In his career, Harrison has pitched 147 innings with 54 walks and 76 strikeouts.
Awesome power pitching with those numbers. Quick, let’s trade Tommy Hanson to the Rangers so we can get Harrison back!
July 25th, 20095:49 pm
Mike Gonzalez was all upbeat when I saw him today. the swelling has gone down in his arm and he was planning to throw a bullpen today. He thinks he’ll be ready to go tonight. Not sure if Bobby will get him right back in there or not, but it sounds like a big step in the right direction.
Lew, doesn’t sound good for your boy McClung. He’s saying something feels funny in his elbow. Had an MRI this morning. Doctor is supposed to read it this afternoon.
July 25th, 20095:50 pm
Unpretentious musical blathering – Coldplay is the greatest band on Earth
Oh hi, I luv w/e playz on da raydeo! !
Piedmont Blues (x-BFIR)
Yeah, I consider Harrison to be one of those “crafty left-handers” who’ll strike out at most 4-6 per 9 innings. If he keeps his walks down, he’ll be serviceable.
So he was EASILY EXPENDABLE! And how can you say his FLOOR is a league average stick???? when his CAREER MINOR LEAGUE OPS is .704
That’s pretty superficial. Those stats were accumulated playing at Rome at age 17, Myrtle at 18, AA Frisco at 19, and no AAA. How many 17-year olds (that are still juniors or maybe seniors in HS here) can hit .265/.324 in full-season A ball? Didn’t think so. Furthermore, his career OPS is skewed by a low career SLG, which, admittedly, I’m worried about for him. His career AVG/OBP is .275/.343, which, with a .375+ SLG, would probably translate to a .320’s or low-.330’s wOBA, which equals an average stick. Like I said, you’re really underestimating the impact of playing at an advanced level at such a young age. IMO those numbers are impressive from a cat of his age. He’s got nowhere to go but up.
mr . aardvark
July 25th, 20095:51 pm
At least Paul hasn’t called anyone a MORON yet.
The A Bomb……….needless-to-say I forgot to insert the “mil” next to the $126 when I made my sarcastic posting about signing Kelly Johnson to an extension, lol.
Efrim: All I can say is, people get it wrong. Opinions vary. Just because people expected one thing and another happened, doesn’t mean squat. Happ is doing well. Perhaps this is the real deal for him, perhaps not. But what people thought of his performance in the minors isn’t the end all be all.
you know damn well that I only get the freaking dodgers or the angels on FOX saturdays!
July 25th, 20095:52 pm
Oh yeah, I’d take Glaus in a heartbeart if the Cards would take on some of his salary. Also like the idea of trading Casey for a good reliever. Only problem would be who would play first if Glaus got hurt? I guess Prado could and maybe by that time Infante would be ready to fill in at 2nd. Anyways, like that idea.
It’s Javy Vazquez’s 33rd birthday today….Felix Compleanos….Don’t think I spelled that right….See where did Latin get me?!
And also Steve from OH hes is -6.0 above replacement with his bat so he is BELOW AVG
July 25th, 20095:53 pm
Piedmont Blues (x-BFIR)……………Harrison has to get healthy and stay healthy if he is ever going to be “serviceable”. That is why I compared him to Horatio Ramirez.
An can we please give the all caps and multiple punctuation marks thing a rest? Not exactly easy on the eyes…
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