3:38 pm July 24, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
July 25th, 20092:57 pm
Fleming @ 2:46 Perfect. Of course that’s the reason. I should have known.
July 25th, 20092:58 pm
Jeff321 – how exactly can Random harass you if you don’t read his posts? Not trying to be an azz, but just wondering how it would qualify as harassment?
July 25th, 20093:00 pm
Carol, we have broken the 2k mark, time for a new blog.
Hows pre game Tommy-Gun feeling?
July 25th, 20093:02 pm
RHR, the best part of it is, I havent told my wife what it means. She thinks its just a cute word…lol.
July 25th, 20093:07 pm
Heyward hitting > 400 in AA. Any way we see him in AAA in August and then mlb in Sep, what odds ?
July 25th, 20093:08 pm
Peter Gammons seems to think Heyward could be a Sept call up. Not sure if the Braves will rush him. He started the season in A ball, after all.
July 25th, 20093:10 pm
“”And I want for summer is a ANOTHER reliever, and or 1B power.”"
I want the same, and a dream with Megan Fox and Agnes Moorehead that Bobby Valentine doesn’t show-up in.
dogsbrekky , Any way we see him in AAA in August and then mlb in Sep, what odds ?
I am expecting the same ,moved up to AAA this week and on to the big club when rosters are expanded. My guess is 95%
But, if we bring Hewyard up early it will most certainly crack his psyche, leading to poor performance and mental health problems.
NO MORE BOBBY
July 25th, 20093:11 pm
Forget the Dodgers! Im scared of the Cardinals now!
Looks like we need to get that other arm for the pen with no big bats left out there (the Dunn thing will never happen folks).
July 25th, 20093:12 pm
Actually, I’m of the stand-pat faction.
July 25th, 20093:14 pm
NCBravesFan – It doesn’t matter whether I read them now or not. I have in the past and told him clearly to get lost.
July 25th, 20093:17 pm
I have in the past and told him clearly to get lost.
Awww big boy don’t like it when he’s called out for being and idiot?
RHR – for whatever it’s worth, our friend out west and I both use Michie san’s pronunciation.
"Chef" Tim Dix
I say Hayward makes the call up, Freeman doesn’t, just a guess.
July 25th, 20093:20 pm
Efrim: “larger argument that most people don’t understand”
Isn’t the point of adjusted stats to “level the playing field”? ERA+ and so forth were developed to compare players across divisions and leagues. Unless I’m totally mistaken. If so, please correct that assertion.
Having said that I think McLouth of the South has a very valid point when applied to this year only. I’ve been thinking the same thing for quite some time. “[The Phillies] have already been in good shape in that slot. Replacing Happ with Halladay, assuming Happ goes in the trade, doesn’t address the pitching DEPTH problem which is the real issue.”
The only caveat I can see is the old addage of veteran over youth. Much like the Braves used to justify keeping Norton, a terrible hitter this year with no defensive skill, over Brooks Conrad and/or KJ who each hold more promise and positional strength over Norton. In the post season that could be the difference maker. Happ might pull an Ankiel where as it is 99.9999% certain Halladay will hold up well.
In addition the trade would be a two post-season deal, at the least. Happ could be a “flash in the pan” and not be anything remotely close to good next season, where as Halladay is 99.9999% certain to be hold up.
But the pitching depth for this season, and this season alone, is not addressed with a Halladay trade. And, if the trade does include Happ and Drabek, it sounds like it would actually hurt the pitching depth going forward, as good as Halladay is.
I’ve been talking it over with friends and relatives and while the Braves don’t have a Halladay, per se, the quantity/quality is incredible this season, five pitchers deep and only projected to get deeper. It’s good for the bullpen, good for the team spirit as well.
According to MLBTR, The Cards are trying to move Glaus because he can’t throw more than 60 feet. Not sure where we’d put him if we got him.
July 25th, 20093:22 pm
This is a public forum. People are going to comment on what other people post. If you want Random (or whoever) to stop bugging you, then stop posting comments that aggravate him.
Of course, if you don’t read Random’s comments anymore, then this whole conversation is completely stupid, and you should just go back to ignoring him, and everyone else should drop it and talk about something else.
July 25th, 20093:23 pm
“The Cards are trying to move Glaus because he can’t throw more than 60 feet”
Terrible means of advertising. They’ve limited themselves to 14 teams, and even fewer when you think of teams in contention that need a DH.
July 25th, 20093:25 pm
To answer a few of the questions aimed in my direction on the past couple of pages-
No, I don’t think that the addition of Halladay makes the Phillies a lock for the division. The rest of their pitching staff sucks-even Hamels is not his usual self. Blanton is iffy on any given day and Moyer would be a great pitcher if he could face the Marlins 35 times each season.
In addition, they just placed two of their best (relative term there) relievers on the DL, have lost two of their last three getting pounded and are NOT going to play at the level they have been recently on an indefinite basis.. Halladay would be an improvement over Happ, of course, but losing Happ weakens them off the bat and negates at the very least, some of the benefit to the rotation Hallady would bring. Read Random’s response, he had it right.
Now, as to Schafer hitting so well through Spring Training-BFD, it was Spring Training, which doesn’t mean a damned thing. Also, no matter how well he did this spring, some of us realized that he wouldn’t carry it into the season. If y’all remember, for a good bit of the spring, he wasn’t even hitting against much more than AA and AAA pitching since the best were at the WBC. Besides, in hindsight, as well as the foresight SOME of us had early on, Schafer hardly lit it up in the bigs, did he? Case closed. ST means diddly.
No, I would NOT advocate going out and getting Josh Anderson at this point. I would rather see us get some bullpen backup for middle relief. Some power would be nice, but not at a high price. It is also not as essential now that they are hitting somewhat closer to their capabilities.
July 25th, 20093:27 pm
Oh yeah, one more point-since we’re the Phillies main competition at this point and we have owned them this year and soundly beat Halladay in our head to head meeting, no I don’t think he gives them a lock.
phils rejected the jays offer?
July 25th, 20093:28 pm
i didn’t mean that as a question. mlb trade rumors is reporting the phils said no the jays wanted drabek and happ/
Not that it matters much, but it says he cant throw 90 ft.
July 25th, 20093:29 pm
Fillies have said no way to Drabek. Now what do they think they need to give up to get the most consistent big gun in baseball, diddly squat.
July 25th, 20093:30 pm
Lew – BFD = ?? I am confused
July 25th, 20093:31 pm
Salamander, I will not alter my posting habits and hide from an internet stalker!
Really, I think you said it well here:
I just wanted to let it be known that Random is an internet stalker.
“Some teams reluctant to part with prospects” Peter Gammons:
July 25th, 20093:32 pm
Huh, they must’ve changed it to say 90 instead of 60. I just refreshed the page and it changed.
RHR: I actually told him he wasn’t as intimidating in person as he appeared on the mound – especially WITHOUT a bat in my hand! He was very pleasant, no problem communicating, except he had important stuff going on with his blackberry. Said he had spent the break with his family in the Dominica………..and he is a big dude………….nice big watch too.
Escobar was seated at the next table, he was using the “can’t talk now, I’m on the phone” ploy for quite a while.
Dogs-Big Freaking Deal.
July 25th, 20093:33 pm
are flintstones vitamins on the banned substance list? if not, i’m thinking we need to get hanson a bottle of the immune system boosting ones so that he can shake this flu.
July 25th, 20093:34 pm
Last year, McCann had two homeruns, five RBI’s and a stolen base on this date. I hope he’s watching the video.
Sgt. Pepper – that was pretty funny
July 25th, 20093:35 pm
Jeff321 (July 25th, 2009 3:14 pm): “It doesn’t matter whether I read them now or not. I have in the past and told him clearly to get lost.”
Hahaha. “I once was lost, but now am found.” Amazing.
Wayne in Utah (July 24th, 2009 11:44 pm) put it nicely last night:
“I only rip ignorance. And sometimes, you are the frickin king of ignorance.
“Hey, you don’t have to read my stuff. Won’t hurt my feelings. But if you start ripping on the manager when he makes a smart baseball move, please forgive me if I call you stupid.”
Or as Edmund Burke put it:
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
(In this context, for “evil”, substitute “ignorance”, “malice”, “foolishness”, “insane trade proposals”, etc; for “do”, read “post”.)
Lew – ty
Troy Glaus – shame he isnt playing cricket, he could always be the wicket keeper, no need to throw much then
July 25th, 20093:36 pm
I don’t know if we need to do anything rash regarding getting more players…this team is hot and I’d like to see how we match up with a, now, hot Philly team before we ‘up the mortgage’. Now if Philly gives away the farm for that pitcher in Toronto – you know, the one Atlanta beat the last time we faced him – we might have to consider something, but until then I’d just like to see how we match up with them now. Of course, I’d still like to see Conrad back here. Sure Norton got a single last night, then they had to pinch-run for him – how can they keep justifying that?
By the way, they’re (whoever ‘they’ are) talking about Philly trading away a 7-0, likely rookie of the year, pitcher, plus some more, for Halladay? It’d be like us trading Benson. And as for being afraid of the Cardinals because of their Holliday (or whatever his name is), did you see that 4-5 bit last night – he hit one ball hard, the rest were flares akin to Francoeur’s ‘mammoth’ drive to ‘extreme-short’ right field in his first game with the Mets – the one with all the air under it. This guy, Holly-person, hasn’t hit his weight all year in Oakland, why do you think he’ll somehow be a ‘protector’ for Pujols (I’m never sure how that’s spelled).
July 25th, 20093:38 pm
they’re closing the roof here which is drawing the ire of local writers….it’s partly cloudy and really nice outside, but i guess rain is coming. they have all kinds of rules about when and why they close the roof, but no doubt it plays smaller with the thing closed. and i’m told once it’s closed, it’s closed. so that’s it. indoor ball today. though i take that over a rain delay of courseQ
July 25th, 20093:39 pm
Where did Paul go? vacation maybe…..
I think he’s just preparing volume 5
Benson? We have Robert Guillaume playing for us now? Thought he was dead.
July 25th, 20093:41 pm
Yeah, I know! And one of those homers was a Grand Salami off Braddy Lidge. Hmm…had a chance for a Grand Salami last night…
I hope he’s watching the video.
He will soon hit a homer in some park other than Turner Field and Citizen’s Bank Park…I…I cann feel it!
I’d get Glaus and put him at 1B…we get no power out of that spot and he doesn’t need to throw anything. Glaus has a solid career OBP and SLG and you can work on dealing Kotch for Qualls. Just gotta get the Cards to eat some salary.
benson I liked that show when I was a kid
July 25th, 20093:42 pm
Watching the evil empire at their bandbox, Jeter just hit a slightly above average flyball to RF and it is out of there, place is a flipping joke.
July 25th, 20093:43 pm
Indoor ball? [Raspberry] I despise indoor ball!
it plays smaller with the thing closed.
Robert Guillaume is still alive
Tennesee Paul: You’re right about ERA+, park adjusted stats and what not. My point was that people don’t really look towards those stats nearly enough.
They certainly have pitching depth issues, that I agree with. I suppose my point is that Happ was regarded by almost everyone as a 5th starter prior to this season. What changed? I’m a little confused by that. Sure, he has had a very good 100 innings. But at 26 going on 27, he isn’t that young. I mean, he isn’t 22 like Hanson. I bet the Phillies would rather deal Happ than Drabek.
Also, I think the Phillies have a pretty good chance of winning this division given that they are 7 games up in the loss column. The Halladay trade would probably only increase their chances of winning in the playoffs by like 10%. So maybe that isn’t worth the prospects and money, but when you add on next year, and the hope that he signs an extension(pretty laid back guy that just wants to win), then I think it’s a no brainer given the depth they have in the minors, and the current age of the team(Werth, Victorino, Utley, Howard, Rollins all turning 29-31 within the year).
Lew, agree to disagree. I think Halladay makes them more of a favorite than they are right now, with a seven game lead in the loss column. And why refer to the one game we faced Halladay? That was one game and I thought he pitched pretty well.
July 25th, 20093:44 pm
Too bad Miller Park isn’t like that–then we woulda had our first Grand Salami of the year…
Joseph – if we trade Kotch this year, I will post as dogsthelittlegirl, cause Bobby loves the defensive plays he makes to cover up some of our poor IF throws and his other excellent glovework
besides Bobby would have a coronary as well as 90% of the pitching staff
July 25th, 20093:46 pm
Fear-I wasn’t sure.
McFann – Yankee II is quite embarassing, laughable the number of miscues I have seen rocket out of there. If Garret and McCann were up here they would have 25 hr for the year.
Jeter for one has more hr already then he did all last year
July 25th, 20093:47 pm
1. McLouth CF
2. Prado 2B
3. Jones 3B
4. McCann C
5. Anderson LF
6. Escobar SS
7. Kotchman 1B
8. Church RF
9. Hanson P
And tonight is the Brewers annual Negro League Tribute game, so the Braves will be wearing retro unis from the Atlanta Black Crackers who played in the Negro Leagues from 1919-1952. Haven’t seen them yet, so not sure what to expect, but something tells me baggy pants?! nevermind, i guess the modernize them and wear them tight.
Lew – I had to check wikpedia myself
anyone else watching this week in baseball? this piece on the game the hall of famers played in is pretty cool. neat to see these great players get to put the uniform on again and actually play. niekro looked good in a nice vintage braves uniform.
and now they’re talking about hanson and his 11 strikeouts. espn is officially the only people over looking him now.
The A Bomb
July 25th, 20093:48 pm
Better for Hanson to pitch in air conditioned environment.
July 25th, 20093:49 pm
why does it play smaller if the roof is closed?
July 25th, 20093:52 pm
OMGosh…did my post not go through?
July 25th, 20093:53 pm
Efrim-Yeah, he did. We pitched better. THAT’S why I’m not worried about it. They have some boomers (most of them prone to streakiness), but our pitching, even if they have Halladay, is better-MUCH better-even in a playoff scenario.
I think the reasons for our lack of offense earlier this year are gone and have been replaced with more effective bats. I think it much more likely that we will continue our current offensive pace than it is the Phillies continue the pitching effectiveness they showed during their recent run (which I would be willing to bet is over).
Halladay definitely would help their rotation. Just not enough to negate any run the Braves would have-ESPECIALLY since we still have nine games against the Phillies (notice I said He wouldn’t make them a lock, not that he wouldn’t help). Yes, we only beat Halladay once this year, but we have beaten the Phillies 7 of 9-beaten them both at home and away. They can be beaten.
(at least for the bigs-he COULD be ready for Roman Gal). Lew
Hmm…I doubt it. But we’ll work on it.
July 25th, 20093:56 pm
Fine, just…be mad at me then.
July 25th, 20093:57 pm
I’m trying to respond to you, but the cursed post won’t show up…
July 25th, 20093:59 pm
Why does this thing hate me at the moment?
RomanGal-You never know.
July 25th, 20094:00 pm
McFann – blog doesn’t like me today either. I’ve been trying to post the same thing for about 10 minutes
July 25th, 20094:01 pm
Wild game out in Toronto….
Efrim: “Happ was regarded by almost everyone as a 5th starter prior to this season. What changed?”
I have no idea where Happ will go, but what “everyone” regards prior to performance is irrelevant. Projections and oppinions change. Hanson was drafted in the 22nd round, what changed is he performed.
July 25th, 20094:03 pm
Ms. Rogers lineup:……4. McCann
I probably scared him the first time I met him.
July 25th, 20094:05 pm
dogsbrekky (July 25th, 2009 3:44 pm) –
Jeff321 — not “stalking” nobody. Just sometimes (not even always) callin’ you on your siht. You should think of it as an educational opportunity — I do.
I love the old negro league uni’s.
July 25th, 20094:12 pm
“I have no idea where Happ will go, but what “everyone” regards prior to performance is irrelevant. Projections and oppinions change. Hanson was drafted in the 22nd round, what changed is he performed.”
Hanson hadn’t pitched in the minors yet. There has to be some sort of reason “everyone” said it, right? Happ had a full minor league career of scouts looking at him against other minors league hitters when opinions were formed prior to this season. I think the info you take away from years of minor league performance are a little more important than the stuff you see prior to the draft.
July 25th, 20094:15 pm
I like the ABC jersey’s. I hope those are the one’s they’re wearing.
July 25th, 20094:16 pm
You know what is cheap? ESPN’s Gamecast freezing up all the time, forcing you to refresh and then you have to sit though a commecial.
I have a feeling its on purpose….
July 25th, 20094:17 pm
So what several on here are saying is you take the two-time defending NL East champs (meaning they’ve already WON the division with subpar pitching 2 years running) and ADD arguably the best pitcher in the game (or at least in the top 3) and they’re no better?????????????????????????
Only on this blog.
After 20 minutes I QUIT! I guess you guys are just going to have to go without a brilliant and hilarious jeffrey d post because WordPress is being a bully
“Efrim-Yeah, he did. We pitched better. THAT’S why I’m not worried about it.”
Lew, that was one game. You’re going to base what this does to the Phillies/Braves division chances off one game that Halladay pitched against the Braves? I agree with you that the Phillies are absolutely flawed, but I’m not going to say that this potential deal doesn’t make them much better.
July 25th, 20094:19 pm
See, now why does that show up when I try forever to get another post to show up? It didn’t have anything offensive or crude words or anything. I don’t get it.
Hey….what if Paul Lentz has been trying to post all afternoon but keeps getting his posts eaten?
no way Heyward gets called upbefore Sept….and even then it won’t be more than a pinch hitting role. We don’t need another confidence buster after Schafer…take our time with him because he will be something special soon enough
July 25th, 20094:24 pm
jeffrey d See, now why does that show up when I try forever to get another post to show up?
I often wonder the same thing…it posts my dumb, one sentence Vents that make me sound like some sort of dork, but when I’m trying to reply to someone’s post with some of my finite wisdom, this thing eats it like a potato chip.
It didn’t have anything offensive or crude words or anything.
Haha! Maybe that’s our problem.
what if Paul Lentz has been trying to post all afternoon but keeps getting his posts eaten?
Then I guess we cann live with it eating our posts so long as it’s main corse consists of his…
July 25th, 20094:25 pm
Now, see, if that post that I just typed doesn’t show up…
July 25th, 20094:26 pm
bravofanman: why does it play smaller if the roof is closed?
Where have you been bravofanman, prison!?
Seems they ran outa money when stadium was built. Material was lacking to completely finish roof. The stadium’s South end (outfield portion) was structurally unified and placed on 200 links of heavy-cargo track. When roof is closed, entire outfield is hydraulically pulled/relocated 10-feet due North. This cost-saving alteration makes the hole smaller to accommodate an undersized roof. Quite ingenious I’d say!
No prob, bravofanman!
July 25th, 20094:27 pm
Vell vhat do you know? It verked!
July 25th, 20094:29 pm
haha, like a potato chip.
I just don’t get why I try to differently word the same thing about 5 or 6 times and it doesn’t show up. But then this will? Same thing with you. You’ve obviously been trying several times to get something through but it won’t show up. But everything you’ve written since has (I assume)
Oh Word Press….
July 25th, 20094:31 pm
ANYWAY all I wanted to say (in more insightful words) was that I liked the retro negro league unis. Is it okay to say this, blog?
July 25th, 20094:33 pm
“Roy Halladay has to pitch more than half of his games against the Red Sox, Rays and Yanks.”
Better check your math lol those 3 teams comprise 1/3 of the games Toronto plays
July 25th, 20094:35 pm
jeffrey d haha, like a potato chip.
This happens to me every so often, and it drives me…well, almost as crazy as an 0-6 mark. Yeah, I’ve been trying for a while to say something responding to dogsbrekky, but I’ve struck out…heck, I must have the Golden Sombrero b’now!
Hey! Your 4:31 came through, though. I guess WP didn’t have a problem with that one.
Frank Wren/John Scherholz: "Prospects....we hate em!"
That Gammons article is a joke. Prospects suck. They all end up like these guys:
Where are they? They haven’t done anything.
July 25th, 20094:36 pm
I don’t think anybody’s gonna accuse you of being in the clan for saying that jeffrey….
July 25th, 20094:37 pm
I like Chase Utley…but….I don’t see how he doesn’t KEEP a broken hand…as much as he crowds the plate….Pitchers should just pound him inside constantly…he’d eventually back off a bit…or stay on the diasbled list….
Phils up 3-0 in the first…
July 25th, 20094:38 pm
John I like Chase Utley
Pete, a third of his starts. 8 of his 19 against the AL East to date. Sorry about that. But I think you got my point…..or maybe you didn’t.
July 25th, 20094:40 pm
random thought here but did anyone see mlbtraderumors where a scout said brett wallce “throws like a girl”. lol reminds of the that epic seen in sandlot
July 25th, 20094:41 pm
Cards have their work cut out for them.
July 25th, 20094:44 pm
Nice explanation, Shamus. That’s some roof they’ve got there.
The Real Bobby
Where did Paul go? vacation maybe….. — jeffrey d
Vacation from what?? All he does, from the time he gets up until the time he goes to sleep is post. Over 100 redundant posts per day. He states the obvious and then repeats it over and over and over. The funny thing is that he actually thinks he’s intelligent.
I say he cashed in some of his online poker winnings and went for a finger massage and a manicure. He’s preparing for a big Saturday night. As a matter of fact, I’d say you can bank on it!
Hmm…just lost all my local channels.
July 25th, 20094:45 pm
The Philles are terrible. There is no way they have a chance against us. They better watch out, them and their 11 All Stars.
Bay Area Steve
can’t believe you let MFin09/TnBrian/Jeff321’s comment about you being “DOB’s boy” slide. Aren’t you one of the few who likes to challenge DOB?
And, Lew, what’s up with your boy McClung?
And to the dude who mentioned Hanson and the roof being closed. The Milwaukee announcers last night said that it becomes extremely humid, and still hot with the roof closed. McCann seemed to struggle with the specs last night. As far as Hanson, he’s from up north of me in CA: hotter than the sun, but a “dry heat.” (Damn, I hate that phrase.)
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