Well now it looks like the Jays GM is saying it’s unlikely Halladay will be dealt this season. Hopefully that takes care of the obsession some of you have with the Halladay/Phills thing.
I understand what you’re saying about other GM’s/FO’s having access to KJ’s past numbers. But his stock is still low regardless. Otherwise, that’s like saying Vaz’s stock isn’t any higher right now than it was at this time last year. It is. Because of what he’s done recently. Just like KJ’s stock has gone down because of what he’s done lately.
What a guy has done recently isn’t the end all be all of what FO’s look at. But it certainly plays into the equation.
Your mileage may vary, but that’s where I stand on the subject.
Nothing wrong with that. Being wrong, that is, LOL.
Seriously, trading players for less than value isn’t exactly the road to riches, and trading good position players for relievers isn’t value-for-value, in most instances.
Tomahawkin…………..my guess as far as how Bobby will use Infante will be as a super sub. When Infante comes back, Bobby will be able to load the line-up more with either lefties or righties……Diaz/Garret in left………Infante/Church in right. Also, Infante can spell Escobar at short. If Prado has to play first or third to give Chipper or Kotchman a rest, then Infante can play second, unless a lefty is pitching and Infante has to play right field, which means that Conrad can play second.
Regardless, Omar Infante coming back will give Bobby Cox more flexibility to take advantage of pitching match-ups.
I took some heat for saying that Prado is going to go through a “correction” with his hitting, which he is. He will not continue to hit .330. But he is the starting second baseman and I support him.
But the Phillies are going to go through a “correction” of their own also. They really have a weak pitcher going tonight and I think their winning streak will come to an end and they will start to come back to earth. At least I hope they do.
I know that if Halladay isn’t dealt to Philly that will have some of you depressed because you won’t have anything to complain about, but I’m sorry, if a teams GM says it’s unlikely, it ain’t happening.
Heath (Cleveland)……………the Giants feed is not in HD either. I just turned to BayAreaFoxSports (the local network that carries the Giants) and they arent offering the game in HD either. The majority of the time they do. But on occasion they wont. They didnt have it in HD last night either.
Wren had to take Frenchy away from Bobby. Trading Frenchy was the only way the team could be assured that Bobby would NOT have Frenchy parked in right field EVERY night!
Wren will have to trade KJ as well. When/IF KJ becomes available to Bobby, you can count on him getting some starts at second base no matter HOW WELL PRADO IS HITTING!
Bobby is like a junkie for certain players. He was a Frenchy junkie and he is a KJ junkie. I don’t trust Bobby on the Prado deal. I would bet that Prado still can’t rest assured that he owns the second base job even though he has more than earned it!
Please Frank Wren, save the Braves nation from Bobby’s indescretions! Trade Kelly Johnson before Bobby puts him back in the lineup!
UH OH, this Sadowski kid is a “medical miracle” so you know what that means… Chip will be ready to scream if the kid does well with, “RYAN SADOWSKI, WHAT AN INSPIRATION TO MLB AND MY OH MY DID HE JUST BLOW AWAY THE BRAVES IN THAT INNING, WOW!!!” I’m just sayin, get ready Braves fans.
“trading good position players for relievers isn’t value-for-value, in most instances.”
Nonsense. Kelly Johnson would be first in line to tell you he isn’t a good position player right now. In order for him to get back to that level, he would have to start again, which won’t happen here, barring injury. In short, the deal you’re shrugging off as selling low is one where the Braves would be the ones hoping the Orioles said yes.
“But the Phillies are going to go through a “correction” of their own also. They really have a weak pitcher going tonight and I think their winning streak will come to an end and they will start to come back to earth.”
I don’t start scoreboard watching until September. This statement does tie in nicely with all of the Halladay to the Phillies paranoia creeping around here, though. The quickest way to guarantee that the Phillies pony up for Halladay is to have them start losing for the next week. Then, pressure builds for that deal to happen. With a 6.5 game lead, they can stand still as long as they keep winning.
So, whether the Phillies win or lose between now and the trade deadline goes a long way in determining what happens with Halladay.
What a play!! this DP combo is looking everyday better. This reminded me of the old Dodger combos of Davy Lopes, bill russell, in terms of coordination. Guys, forget about the middle infield, these two will be here for a LONG TIME. If I will be KJ, i will be playing the outfield in AAA, to be ready for the future.
Wildcard?Wildacrd? to hell with the Wildcard, run down them damn stinkin Philthies and take back what is rightfully Atlanta’s the N.L.East Title, Wildcard?
2,171 comments Add your comment
TnBrian
July 21st, 2009
6:55 pm
Well now it looks like the Jays GM is saying it’s unlikely Halladay will be dealt this season. Hopefully that takes care of the obsession some of you have with the Halladay/Phills thing.
BravesFanChris24
July 21st, 2009
6:56 pm
jeffrey d
LOL!
TJ
July 21st, 2009
6:57 pm
NORRIS–Braves lineup is posted on page 3, about three quarters of the way down.
BravesFanChris24
July 21st, 2009
6:57 pm
On Giants pregame show they said they could be looking for a second baseman.
KJ to Giants then as a possibility?
Heath (Cleveland)
July 21st, 2009
6:58 pm
Is neither the SF or ATL feed in HD tonight?
C's
July 21st, 2009
6:59 pm
ncscoots -
I understand what you’re saying about other GM’s/FO’s having access to KJ’s past numbers. But his stock is still low regardless. Otherwise, that’s like saying Vaz’s stock isn’t any higher right now than it was at this time last year. It is. Because of what he’s done recently. Just like KJ’s stock has gone down because of what he’s done lately.
What a guy has done recently isn’t the end all be all of what FO’s look at. But it certainly plays into the equation.
ncscoots
July 21st, 2009
7:00 pm
Your mileage may vary, but that’s where I stand on the subject.
Nothing wrong with that. Being wrong, that is, LOL.
Seriously, trading players for less than value isn’t exactly the road to riches, and trading good position players for relievers isn’t value-for-value, in most instances.
Paul Lentz
July 21st, 2009
7:00 pm
Tomahawkin…………..my guess as far as how Bobby will use Infante will be as a super sub. When Infante comes back, Bobby will be able to load the line-up more with either lefties or righties……Diaz/Garret in left………Infante/Church in right. Also, Infante can spell Escobar at short. If Prado has to play first or third to give Chipper or Kotchman a rest, then Infante can play second, unless a lefty is pitching and Infante has to play right field, which means that Conrad can play second.
Regardless, Omar Infante coming back will give Bobby Cox more flexibility to take advantage of pitching match-ups.
Gone Viral
July 21st, 2009
7:00 pm
“KJ to Giants then as a possibility?”
They’ve got pitching to burn, but you don’t see teams fighting for the same playoff spot help each other out very often.
DiamondJim
July 21st, 2009
7:01 pm
Braves & Giants are on Dish @ channel 449 as part of Dish Sports package. Cost me $5.99 per month – with first 3 months FREE! AND 449 is Peachtree TV.
Paul Lentz
July 21st, 2009
7:02 pm
jeffrey d……….I suggest that you get a better tv. and fork over some cash for Direct TV, lol.
Rob from SC
July 21st, 2009
7:02 pm
I wonder how other teams value Kelly Johnson?
keylargo
July 21st, 2009
7:03 pm
I took some heat for saying that Prado is going to go through a “correction” with his hitting, which he is. He will not continue to hit .330. But he is the starting second baseman and I support him.
But the Phillies are going to go through a “correction” of their own also. They really have a weak pitcher going tonight and I think their winning streak will come to an end and they will start to come back to earth. At least I hope they do.
GradyBaby
July 21st, 2009
7:03 pm
Who here thinks Hanson will be or is better than Lincecum?
cafleming
July 21st, 2009
7:03 pm
Thank Heaven! I finally can watch Peachtree TV on Dish Network channel 449. I reside in Talladega, AL.
Slugger - theweeklyscene.com
July 21st, 2009
7:03 pm
RAISES RIGHT ARM AND LISTENS TO DRUMS BEAT…
DUMMMM DUMMMM DUMM DUMM DUMM DUM DUM DUM
DUMMMM DUMMMM DUMM DUMM DUMM DUM DUM DUM
[CUE HORNS]
OHH
OHHHHH
EH-OHHHH
OHHHHHHH
OHH
WEH-OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
DUMMMM DUMMMM DUMM DUMM DUMM DUM DUM DUM
DUMMMM DUMMMM DUMM DUMM DUMM DUM DUM DUM
[repeat 'Tomahawk Chop' until victory]
blazon
July 21st, 2009
7:04 pm
Dish channel #449 showing not available in my area, southern ohio
TnBrian
July 21st, 2009
7:04 pm
I know that if Halladay isn’t dealt to Philly that will have some of you depressed because you won’t have anything to complain about, but I’m sorry, if a teams GM says it’s unlikely, it ain’t happening.
Paul Lentz
July 21st, 2009
7:05 pm
Heath (Cleveland)……………the Giants feed is not in HD either. I just turned to BayAreaFoxSports (the local network that carries the Giants) and they arent offering the game in HD either. The majority of the time they do. But on occasion they wont. They didnt have it in HD last night either.
Bobby Is A Junkie
July 21st, 2009
7:06 pm
Wren had to take Frenchy away from Bobby. Trading Frenchy was the only way the team could be assured that Bobby would NOT have Frenchy parked in right field EVERY night!
Wren will have to trade KJ as well. When/IF KJ becomes available to Bobby, you can count on him getting some starts at second base no matter HOW WELL PRADO IS HITTING!
Bobby is like a junkie for certain players. He was a Frenchy junkie and he is a KJ junkie. I don’t trust Bobby on the Prado deal. I would bet that Prado still can’t rest assured that he owns the second base job even though he has more than earned it!
Please Frank Wren, save the Braves nation from Bobby’s indescretions! Trade Kelly Johnson before Bobby puts him back in the lineup!
Slugger - theweeklyscene.com
July 21st, 2009
7:08 pm
In text form, fans, please type your own version of the Tomahawk Chop.
Let’s see some CHOPP’N! (not to be confused with Chopin).
Doc Holiday
July 21st, 2009
7:09 pm
Wayne,
Im a gentleman of word……….Id keep it.
We are not that good though………………..but im already sweating anyway.
TnBrian
July 21st, 2009
7:09 pm
UH OH, this Sadowski kid is a “medical miracle” so you know what that means… Chip will be ready to scream if the kid does well with, “RYAN SADOWSKI, WHAT AN INSPIRATION TO MLB AND MY OH MY DID HE JUST BLOW AWAY THE BRAVES IN THAT INNING, WOW!!!” I’m just sayin, get ready Braves fans.
Gone Viral
July 21st, 2009
7:09 pm
“trading good position players for relievers isn’t value-for-value, in most instances.”
Nonsense. Kelly Johnson would be first in line to tell you he isn’t a good position player right now. In order for him to get back to that level, he would have to start again, which won’t happen here, barring injury. In short, the deal you’re shrugging off as selling low is one where the Braves would be the ones hoping the Orioles said yes.
Paul Lentz
July 21st, 2009
7:10 pm
Other than Winn and Sandavol……….this is a VERY WEAK Giants line-up tonight.
Doc Holiday
July 21st, 2009
7:11 pm
Man are we hot……….. Lowe is our 4 or 5th best pitcher right now……….good god.
HD Feed
July 21st, 2009
7:11 pm
The Peachtree feed is in HD
Heath (Cleveland)
July 21st, 2009
7:11 pm
Winn = Braves Killer.
Throw at him or something!
Heath (Cleveland)
July 21st, 2009
7:11 pm
Winn = Braves Killer.
Throw at him or something!
Paul Lentz
July 21st, 2009
7:11 pm
Winn really knocked the crap out of that one.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 21st, 2009
7:12 pm
For the love of God….I hope no one gives Escobar an error on that play…it could get ugly…
But seriously tough play…nice try
Heath (Cleveland)
July 21st, 2009
7:12 pm
Not sure why the double post. Sorry.
TJ
July 21st, 2009
7:13 pm
Paul Lentz- to use a phrase I’ve heard on the broadcast before…”It’ll look like a line drive in the box score tomorrow”….lol
BravesFanChris24
July 21st, 2009
7:13 pm
How about trade for Winn?
We usually acquire Braves killers ~_~
Nate McLouth and Mike Gonzalez just to name a few ~_~
JasonInFL
July 21st, 2009
7:13 pm
Here’s our Ace! Man, I hope D-Lowe can buckle down and have a good outing…we need it with The Freak going tomorrow…
The Second Necromancer
July 21st, 2009
7:14 pm
Not a good start….
BravesFanChris24
July 21st, 2009
7:14 pm
As the saying would go….
Can’t Beat Em….Acquire Em!
Nick
July 21st, 2009
7:14 pm
I guess were getting bad Lowe tonight.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 21st, 2009
7:14 pm
Joe Simpson trying to calm all the fans…
His best comment of the Monday night…
“Annnnnddd right down the middle for ball three” lol Gotta love Joe Simpson
Gone Viral
July 21st, 2009
7:14 pm
“But the Phillies are going to go through a “correction” of their own also. They really have a weak pitcher going tonight and I think their winning streak will come to an end and they will start to come back to earth.”
I don’t start scoreboard watching until September. This statement does tie in nicely with all of the Halladay to the Phillies paranoia creeping around here, though. The quickest way to guarantee that the Phillies pony up for Halladay is to have them start losing for the next week. Then, pressure builds for that deal to happen. With a 6.5 game lead, they can stand still as long as they keep winning.
So, whether the Phillies win or lose between now and the trade deadline goes a long way in determining what happens with Halladay.
joshb
July 21st, 2009
7:14 pm
Triple Play, you heard it here first
The_Superhoo
July 21st, 2009
7:15 pm
wooo K!
BravesFanChris24
July 21st, 2009
7:15 pm
Joe Simpson =
Boog too!
The_Superhoo
July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
““Annnnnddd right down the middle for ball three” lol Gotta love Joe Simpson”
I’m a big fan of Joe’s comments like that. hehe
TJ
July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
“Kung Fu Panda”…I love it. Kinda hard to be scared of somebody with that nickname.
BravesFanChris24
July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
What a DP!
The Bird and Indian
July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
Oh my goodness.
letsgetrich
July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
OHHHHH!!!!
Tomahawkin
July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
What A DP!!! THAT WAS SICK!!!
HD Feed
July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
Web Gem!
Heath (Cleveland)
July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
Two ground balls that are perfectly placed is not exactly a reason to be too concerned about Lowe…
Just as I type that, another ground ball that results in a DP!!!
Jeffro
July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
Holy Escobar Batman!!!!
CLE
July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
Holy smokes, what a nice DP!
David O'Brien
July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
Wow, that play would make a nice poster, that leap by Escobar over the baserunner sliding into second. Quite an athletic play.
JasonInFL
July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
now, that folks, was a double play…my word that was beautiful!
blazon
July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
DJim…thanks for info, was just offered same deal…but blacked out tonight…how often is that likely to happen, any idea? thanks
Rob from SC
July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
JMAN
Escobar is amazing
Paul Lentz
July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
Web gem anyone?
Tomahawkin
July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
Add Good defensive overall as to why the braves have played well lately…
Nick
July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
PLAY OF THE YEAR!
McFann :Ô:
July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
That was an AMAZING DOUBLE-PLAY!! Wow! Beautiful!!
Necromancer
July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
Looks like a web gem there…
coach smith
July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
WOW!!!!!
oh yeah we should trade Escobar right???????
anyone who wanted that is just plain DUMB
Heath (Cleveland)
July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
I’ll get worried about Lowe when the ball is left up and the opposition is hitting something other that ground balls.
Zephyr 8
July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
Escobar got some air.
BravesFanChris24
July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
I prefer the “Premiere Plays Of The Night” over “Web Gems”. That proves my liking of MLBN over ESPN ~_~
Nova Scotia Steve
July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
OK I’LL GO WITH HOLY SMOKES…..
My last post got deleted….lol
ray k.
July 21st, 2009
7:18 pm
Escobar may well be the best short stop in the NL. I said it.
Man is he special.
Necromancer
July 21st, 2009
7:18 pm
Now, who wants to trade Escobar now?
TnBrian
July 21st, 2009
7:18 pm
I think that runner was safe at 1st but that was the best dp’s turn I’ve ever seen, live anyways.
cricket
July 21st, 2009
7:18 pm
Ok, as not a big fan of our announcers, I have to agree that these giants announcer clowns are way worse.
Jack
July 21st, 2009
7:18 pm
Kelley Johnson would never made that play.
MEB
July 21st, 2009
7:19 pm
We’ll be watching that play for many years. WOW!!!
The_Superhoo
July 21st, 2009
7:19 pm
woo way to pitch out of trouble D-Lowe!
Necromancer
July 21st, 2009
7:19 pm
KJ would have bobbled that play…
Nick
July 21st, 2009
7:19 pm
mclouth is popping everything up.
Joebrave
July 21st, 2009
7:20 pm
EsssssssssssCOBARRRRR!!!!!!
THWG
July 21st, 2009
7:20 pm
He was SO safe at first, but I’ll take it.
The_Superhoo
July 21st, 2009
7:20 pm
Aw man, sounds like I missed a gem of a DP!
I’m still at work.
Jake W.
July 21st, 2009
7:20 pm
“Escobar got some air”
Air Escobar’s, the shoes would have to have a gold tip of course.
BravesFanChris24
July 21st, 2009
7:20 pm
Prado still doing it!
CorkylikesBeer
July 21st, 2009
7:20 pm
I guess the way escobar is playing …he should get his own personal interpreter…
the hopes of the braves nation rest in your hands mr. hanson
July 21st, 2009
7:20 pm
its so funny the responses you are getting from people on escobar now….
just on saturday, everyone wanted him traded….or killed.
Necromancer
July 21st, 2009
7:20 pm
The Giants pitcher looks like he’s got Scurvey!
The_Superhoo
July 21st, 2009
7:20 pm
Atta boy Praydo!
Heath (Cleveland)
July 21st, 2009
7:20 pm
Prado gets a hit…to “correct” all of you that say he won’t hit for a high BA.
John
July 21st, 2009
7:21 pm
On those type of double plays…you better obviously beat the throw to 1B….or the ump is gonna call you out…maybe safe…but a great play
Nova Scotia Steve
July 21st, 2009
7:21 pm
No Interpreter need on that Escobar play…
Necromancer
July 21st, 2009
7:21 pm
Looks like Chipper’s got a whole can of Copenhagen in his lip tonight.
I wonder if there is a stat on how good he does with or without the dip…
MANOLO
July 21st, 2009
7:22 pm
What a play!! this DP combo is looking everyday better. This reminded me of the old Dodger combos of Davy Lopes, bill russell, in terms of coordination. Guys, forget about the middle infield, these two will be here for a LONG TIME. If I will be KJ, i will be playing the outfield in AAA, to be ready for the future.
Heath (Cleveland)
July 21st, 2009
7:22 pm
“a switch went off” ???
Seriously?
Necromancer
July 21st, 2009
7:23 pm
Why in the heck was KJ ever converted to an infielder in the first place?
Necromancer
July 21st, 2009
7:23 pm
SpongeBob up at bat…
Joebrave
July 21st, 2009
7:23 pm
Wildcard?Wildacrd? to hell with the Wildcard, run down them damn stinkin Philthies and take back what is rightfully Atlanta’s the N.L.East Title, Wildcard?
Heath (Cleveland)
July 21st, 2009
7:23 pm
Necromancer -
He was a SS to start.
Nova Scotia Steve
July 21st, 2009
7:24 pm
Betcha KJ’s glad he wasn’t around to wittness that DP…
I shouldn’t say that…I like Kelly… I really think he wants to help the team!
Capt Caveman
July 21st, 2009
7:24 pm
If you just saw that double play turned by Esco and still think the Braves need to trade him, than you have no idea what you are talking about.
Paul Lentz
July 21st, 2009
7:24 pm
Meanwhile, Prado continues to rake at the plate.
Joebrave
July 21st, 2009
7:25 pm
BMACCCCCCCC!!!!!
Necromancer
July 21st, 2009
7:25 pm
aneurism…dang, now I feel bad…
Sorry bout what I said about the pitcher..