3:47 pm July 21, 2009, by David O'Brien
Wayne in Utah
July 21st, 20095:53 pm
As to Braves roster decisions that will need to be made (Kelly Johnson’s situation) at the end of the week; I really wish either Conrad or Prado could play an acceptable SS to be Yunel’s back-up. That would let you bring KJ back up on Saturday, and send DH back to Gwinnett.
Let’s you keep Norton for just a bit longer, to see if he could get out of his funk. As bad as he has been, I suspect most of us would rather see him at bat than Diory.
PWHjort, The August 2nd tilt with the Dodgers is now a Sunday Night contest
July 21st, 20095:54 pm
MiaBchBravesFan there are possible outcomes when Kelly is able to come off the DL.
1. Conrad is optioned to AAA – most likely scenario
2. Norton is DFA – least likely scenario
3. Kelly is optioned to AAA –
Myself I would like to see Conrad kept and Norton DFA. Oh and I know that some of you think Kelly could get traded, but I don’t see that happening, he is not Frenchy.
So, how much longer before you get those fish tacos on the brain for your up-coming trip to San Diego in a couple of weeks?
Are we on Sunday Night Baseball then or something?
July 21st, 20095:55 pm
I asked Cox if they had Lincecum figured out for tomorrow night. He laughed. I said, “Well, you’re overdue against him.” He laughed again and said, “A lot of teams are overdue with that guy.”
Yikes, when will Bennett be back? Hope never, with us anyway.
No no no, ESPN just wants to move it to 8 o’clock, but not televise it, lol. GEEZ
Nova Scotia Steve
Grab some bench Kelly…you’re gunna be there a while
I’d say sit front and center right beside Kawakami’s translator!
That’s would give anyone the motivation to get back on the field!
July 21st, 20095:56 pm
The Phils have been on a good streak lately, the ball can’t seem to miss their bats. While right now I think our best shot is in the wild card, it will be interesting to see what ground we can make up once the Phillies cool down. Not to mention when the league figures out Rodrigo Lopez isn’t Greg Maddux and old timer Pedro trys to give it one more shot.
Speaking of old timers, Smoltzie isn’t looking to good in Boston so far. Maybe he will figure it out but it sounds like the natives are getting a little restless with him up there. Scanned some of their blogs and they are clammoring for the kid Buchholz and wanting to the push the old timer to the bullpen or out the door. Sounds a little like those who wanted Hanson here from the start of the season instead of signing Glavine. I’ve never actually seen Smoltz pitch with them this year so I don’t know how he looks. If anyone could feel me in I’d like to know. Does he look like he’s got much left?
Yes, that was the reason for the move.
Heath: They’re always on the brain. Fish tacos … you can get ‘em in any city now, practically, including Atlanta. But they’re still best in San Diego.
The Bravos always lose that first game on the West Coast when their Sunday game is moved to night. They’ve actually done the Braves dirty like that more often than not in the past 8-10 years.
July 21st, 20095:58 pm
Jake W., that’s what the scouts had told Boston writers — don’t expect the old Smoltzie. Those who saw him in his rehab starts said that.
He’s throwing 89-90 mph fastballs and no splits. That’s a huge difference from his 94-95 mph heaters and nasty splits.
Had some shrimp taco’s w/ mango salsa for lunch today! ummm!
July 21st, 20095:59 pm
Yeah, they are definitely best in San Diego…gotta say, I’m already jealous of you. Jake’s has always treated me well!!!
TX Brave: Glad to see I’m not alone on that one.
July 21st, 20096:00 pm
Have the Braves inquired about the availability of Arizona’s Mark Reynolds (CAB)
no, they aren’t interested in a guy who hits .230 away from his hitter’s paradise park.I don’t care how much power a player has, the Braves have never been interested in hitters with real low batting averages
We do not need to trade Kelly Johnson. At this point, his trade value is at an all time low. Hold onto him.
And then we have that same crowd saying the Phils won’t get it done due to their starting pitching…. Please. Again, for those that can’t comprehend this, the Phillies don’t need the pitching just about every other club needs with their lineup. A 4.50 ERA from their starters will suffice.
July 21st, 20096:01 pm
I have the feeling if Wren makes any deals, it’s a very small deal for either more bullpen help or a pinch hitter….both that can be accomplished by giving up a fringe prospect.
Fish tacos are best when the fish is broiled or baked. A fried breaded fish piece inside a taco is just plain yuck. Like a breaded chicken patty in between two buns – still don’t get that one either.
July 21st, 20096:02 pm
KnightInATL: Hudson’s option is a mutual option, both sides have to agree to exercise it. Hudson could veto it if Braves exercised it, but I don’t see that happening, not with only a month or so of major league starts under his belt after surgery. Don’t think he’d get more than $12 mill for 2010 elsewhere (though I could be wrong), and he wants to stay here anyway.
Oh lord.. the game is on Peach Pit TV tonight…
I hate to see Smoltz struggling in Boston, as much as him leaving ticked me off. I was told by someone with inside knowledge that his shoulder was a mess. I have never doubted his heart though.
Just a bit sad, if this is how he will finish up.
July 21st, 20096:04 pm
If Smoltzie could leave the split for a good changeup, he could pitch another season with an 88-90 mph f-ball. He’s an old dog that can learn a new trick.
July 21st, 20096:05 pm
Thanks for the info, DOB. Very much appreciated.
July 21st, 20096:06 pm
MLB Trade Rumors says the D’backs would be looking for a up and coming starter for Chad Qualls. He is signed through 2010. Would he be worth Medlen (though I love the guy)???
PWH: Peach Pit TV – I am laughing my tail off!
Quit meddling with Medlen; he stays!!!
July 21st, 20096:07 pm
The Phillies have 36 remaining games with teams outside the East, which is a good thing since they have beat up on the East (except for the Bravos). And out of those 36 games 30 are with teams still in the hunt for a playoff berth. The BRaves on the other hand have just 27 games outside the East and 19 of those games are with teams still in contention. And as you all know we have 9 games left with the Phillies. This is doable people if we continue to play like we have lately.
I know Wayne, the guy is a warrior but from what you and DOB said its not sounding good for him and if he doesn’t get it together those fans are going to eat him alive. Don’t know what will happen with him up there but I wish him the best.
July 21st, 20096:08 pm
the Phillies don’t need the pitching just about every other club needs with their lineup. A 4.50 ERA from their starters will suffice. TommyP
Sadly you are correct. It will be enough to get them in the playoffs as long as the offense keeps putting up big numbers. However, it will not be enough to get them another WS ring. Their pitching was better last year to go along with the offense. Good pitching will beat a good offense, that is why we have taken seven out of nine games thus far from them. It’s unfortunate we only play them nine more times.
Wayne…I agree with you about smoltzie..sad to see him struggle
July 21st, 20096:09 pm
monty: RIGHT ON! That is one heckuva silver lining.
July 21st, 20096:12 pm
It was obvious that KJ was not a second baseman, and that was a failed project that took a long, long time and KJ injury for Bobby to give-up on it. I said that many times in this blog, but always somebody jumped over me, but time (and a lot more double-plays) have given me the reason!
Please do not bring back Body Carlyle, instead why not extend a contract to el “Duke”, he is a World Series Ring magnet!!! and I believe could help a lot as long reliever.
I know a lot of folks are frustrated with our signing Lowe and Kawakami (some wishing we had saved some of that cash for a bat), but after seeing Smoltzie struggle, I really like our rotation. We don’t have any total shut down starters on our staff (unless Hanson becomes one); as all of our guys have the propensity to have a down stretch during the year.
I just think that we are really set for the next few years. If there was any way we could keep Vazquez AND Hudson, I would be thrilled. Too bad none of these guys are left-handed.
Quick look ahead to tomorrow’s Jurrjens vs. Lincecum matchup:
Lincecum is 7-1 with a 1.39 ERA in his past 11 starts, with 93 strikeouts and 19 walks in 84-1/3 innings. He’s 5-0 with a 1.76 ERA in his past nine road starts. Against the Braves, he’s a perfect 5-0 with a 2.08 ERA in five career starts, including eight scoreless innings (five hits, two walks) on May 26 in San Francisco. Ryan Church is 4-for-6 against him, and Brian McCann is 5-for-13.
The Phils are not hitting like the 1927 Yankees. If they pitch with a 4.50 ERA, they will lose the division.
July 21st, 20096:14 pm
David O’Brien……..thanks for the Bobby updated quotes on your 5:53pm posting. Now that is the “Bobby” I like to hear speak. Not the “Uh, I need to give Francoeur some at-bats to get him going” Bobby that we’ve heard speak too many times.
I would only support Kelly being brought back up if he replaces Greg Norton on the 25 man roster. Barring that, I would hope that Frank Wren keeps him at Triple A until an injury happens or until the September call-ups.
As far as Buddy Carlyle, if he is going to be called up, I’d rather see him replace Peter Moylan. Having him replace Kris Medlen makes no sense because we’d have no one to work long relief or fulfill the spot starter role. So the likely candidate for Carlyle to replace would be Manny Acosta. While still feel that Moylan is too inconsistent to pitch in tight ball games in the 7th inning……..I could “live” with it. Having Carlyle replace Acosta wouldnt have nearly the negative impact as having Kelly replace Brooks Conrad instead of Norton.
July 21st, 20096:15 pm
That look ahead to the Jurrjens/Lincecum matchup sure lacked a lot of Jurrjens.
July 21st, 20096:17 pm
I agree with what you said on the Phillies. Their lineup will beatup on the lesser teams and lesser pitchers but come the playoffs unless their pitching gets it together I don’t see them repeating. A lot of people give Cole Hamels and that offense the credit for winning that World Series last year but they were also anchored by good pitching performances by Moyer and Myers in the playoffs. That plus their good offense. Not just a good lineup alone got them that ring.
Wayne in Utah……………Diory Hernandez will stay on the roster until Omar Infante comes back (Infante can fill in for Escobar if need be, in addition to being able to play other positions). So for the time being, Hernandez will have to stay on the roster.
Fear not. You are not alone. I’m very interested in Knucksie, Jr.’s progress. It would really make a cool story. And I was always a HUGE fan of his uncle.
July 21st, 20096:20 pm
So you are saying that just because Kelly Johnson lost his job in Atlanta, that he is no longer a second baseman?? Afraid I’m going to have to disagree with you on that one.
He might not be a slick fielding second baseman. Also, he might not be a consistent hitting second baseman. But, I didn’t see them playing him at any other positions in Gwinnett. (unless I totally missed that one??)
So, I think he is still a potential second baseman for our Braves. Actually, he is not much different from Prado as for fielding the position, from what I have seen.
As for Buddy. You gotta throw out this season, due to his diabetes. Maybe he never amounts to much, but last year he was one of our more consistent arms in the pen. I look forward to his return to the staff.
Go get ‘em Buddy!
July 21st, 20096:21 pm
Paul, Buddy is a long reliever/spot starter and the most likely scenario when he is activated is that Medlen will be sent down so he can be stretched back out as a starter. I too like Chris but I will also understand the move when it happens.
Oh and you can forget him or anything happening to Moylan unless he falls of the face of the Earth. He is Bobby’s right hand man, sort of speak.
DOB — if you are ever in Ft. Worth, go to Fuzzy’s for fish tacos. They are really, really good. I like Rubio’s for a quasi fast food/casual dining fish taco place in Phoenix. I think they are in Cali too.
I agree on your comment abour this being the best Wilco CD since YHF, although I lked the last one quite a bit. No as fond of A Ghost is Born, which, of course, they won a Grammy far. Being There is still their best reocrd bar none.
Any chance the Braves would bring up Kelly and drop Norton?
And facing Lincecum tomorrow will be a surgin’ Jurrjens: He’s 3-1 with a 2.16 ERA and .176 opponents’ average in his past four starts, despite totaling more walks (12) than strikeouts (11) in 25 innings in that span. He’s 2-0 in his past two home starts, while allowing just three hits and no earned runs in 13 innings. He is 0-2 with a 3.46 ERA in two starts against the Giants, both in 2008.
July 21st, 20096:24 pm
As for tonight, Lowe should probably just pretend like he’s still pitching for the Dodgers: He’s 3-1 with a 2.20 ERA in his past eight starts against the Gigantes, from Aug. 2006 to last September.
July 21st, 20096:25 pm
David O’Brien……….I live in San Francisco, so I’ve well aware of how good Tim Linecum is. What I’ve been able to pick up in games where he has struggled……..it is important for the opposing team to work the count against him. Get his pitch count up and make him labor. If his control is there, then it will be EXTREMELY tough to get to him. His stuff is among the best in baseball.
However, Jair Jurrjens is no slouch himself. Tomorrow should be a good match-up.
July 21st, 20096:26 pm
glove51: Rubio’s started in San Diego. They had a stand at old Jack Murphy Stadium, and have several stands at the new ballpark.
July 21st, 20096:27 pm
I’d sure rather have KJ pinch-hitting than Ed Norton. Just worry that temptation might overcome Bobby if Prado struggled a bit. I kinda believe the decision to anoint Prado the starter was made in the FO. It’s hard to believe Bobby wouldn’t step down in such a circumstance, but he’s an old-school “company” guy. They tend to obey, pretty much regardless. Frenchy would still be out there every night if Wren hadn’t intervened by trading him. Bobby’s the kinda manager who would never take a players job because of injury. If Bobby had 100% control of personnel moves, and if KJ was actually injured but is healed, he’d be in Atlanta, tonight, and most probably in the starting lineup. Course that’s just my opinion, but with so many years of Bobby’s pathological player-loyalty (starting with Blauser) under my belt, I feel like I read him pretty well.
July 21st, 20096:28 pm
any chance kj is traded?
July 21st, 20096:29 pm
DOB, how long did you wait to use the Surgin’ Jurrjens LOL
July 21st, 20096:30 pm
Because you have to live in SF to know how good Tim Lincecum is.
July 21st, 20096:31 pm
I really respect that you are seeing your faults on the blog and trying to change. I think you will find that most people on here agree with your opinions on the Braves, they just were annoyed by the insults and ramblings about unrelated topics.
July 21st, 20096:32 pm
KJ is not gonna be traded. Wren has proven to be a pretty good GM. And good GM’s don’t trade players when their stock is at it lowest.
David O’Brien……………I loved Smoltz when he pitched with the Braves. However, it was apparent that with his injury last year, it was just too risky to offer him a contract for this season…….knowing that he wouldnt be back until mid-June (at the earliest)…..combined with the fact that the Braves were on the hook for $13 mil for Tim Hudson this year……..Frank Wren was smart to move in a different direction.
Seeing him pitch last night against Texas wasnt pretty. He had a decent first 5 innings. However, he just lost it in the 6th. While Boston has a deep bullpen and can therefore absorb Smoltz not being effective more than 5 innings every few outings……..the Braves dont have that kind of depth.
I wish him well. I dont think that it is over for Smoltz. Boston is the right team for him. From what I have seen of him in his first few starts since he came back…..it would not be impossible for me to fathom him pitching better as the season progresses.
“Keith Law’s Take
“My gut reaction is that without a bat, the Braves can’t win this division. The deficit is 8 games in the loss column, behind a clearly superior Phillies team.”
We’re 7-2 against them and play them 9 more times and this guy is saying they’re clearly better and we can’t beat them. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I cannot believe ESPN gainfully employs this pinhead. Statistically speaking, he should *accidentally* get more of these right than he does.
Train Wreck Bystander
PTV available on dish Network here in Tennessee AGAIN – channel 449
I must be living right.
July 21st, 20096:33 pm
Gotta say you probably read Bobby pretty well….but, I think he will view Kelly as a 1-2 start per week guy. Now, if KJ get’s hot, you might see him pick up the AB’s for Kelly.
Realistically, if KJ played twice a week, and if Prado spelled Chipper on one of those days, it might not be a bad proposal. I know that some will have a total meltdown the first time KJ starts over Prado, but unless KJ is released, it IS going to happen.
When will Omar Infante start getting at-bats at Gwinnett?
“And I’m definitely not selling low on Schafer. I don’t think I’m trading him unless I get a really significant return back.”
I completely agree. A Schafer deal only makes sense if we get a legit starting outfielder back in the process, much as was the case with Gorkys in the McLouth deal.
I have doubts that the White Sox and Braves will make any big trades this season. The Sox have scored ONLY 21 more runs than the Braves, which means they don’t have a great offense in the AL.
July 21st, 20096:36 pm
“We do not need to trade Kelly Johnson. At this point, his trade value is at an all time low. Hold onto him.”
I also agree with this. The only way a KJ deal makes sense at the moment is if we get a reliever back in the process who is signed at a reasonable rate next year. That would give us insurance if Soriano or Gonzalez leaves. Or both, God forbid.
Shamus, your 6:27 post is on target. Bobby is an old romantic fool; he fall in love too easily with the old flame. Which is why he needs to wake up and start giving Conrad the AB’s instead of Norton.
July 21st, 20096:37 pm
Getting close to game time.
David O’Brien……..I know that this may sound far fetched to ask, but is there anyway you can ask PeachTreeTV why they dont show games in high definition on Direct TV? I subscribe to the Extra Innings package on Direct TV and absolutely hate when games are shown on PT. FoxSportsSouth show the games in HD. I end up watching the feed of the opposing team when the games are shown on PT. Thanks in advance if you can pull this minor miracle off.
July 21st, 20096:38 pm
“KJ is not gonna be traded. Wren has proven to be a pretty good GM. And good GM’s don’t trade players when their stock is at it lowest.” (C’s)
Look. I understand how this concept applies in fantasy leagues. But in order for the concept of “selling low” to be valid in real baseball you have to operate under the assumption that some FO’s have access to information others don’t. And that’s simply not the case. Every FO in baseball knows exactly what KJ is worth and his slump probably hasn’t hurt his value (unless they really think he’s toast, in that case Wren also knows he’s toast and the concept of selling low isn’t valid here either). That said, I don’t think we should trade him either.
July 21st, 20096:39 pm
Dave O’Brien: cable TV miracle worker – deluxe!!!
July 21st, 20096:41 pm
OK, just didnt know it was specifically about the Campillo info, since I Posted some other info.
Almost game time…God Bless Us All!!!!
The only way a KJ deal makes sense at the moment is if we get a reliever back in the process who is signed at a reasonable rate next year.
Then, you’re saying that Johnson is worth no more than a Chad Qualls, who might be the most qualified guy who meets your reliever description. That, to me, is selling low. That type of reliever is worth no more mid-season than a prospect or two, and prospects who don’t figure into the team’s plans, at that.
July 21st, 20096:42 pm
And the massive chopping cow
DOB Brian McCann is 5-for-13 [against Lincecum]
That includes August 6th, 2008, when BMac went 3-4 with a double and a K against Lincecum. He’s 0-4 with…[glup]…a pair of K’s against him this year.
Braves sweep the Giants….you heard it here first (doing my best Coach impersonation!)
July 21st, 20096:43 pm
I’m lucky, I get the Giants feed tonight
July 21st, 20096:44 pm
I’m a little late in adding to this but it seems like the offense turned around when Martin Won the 2nd base job about a month ago…
With that said KJ will get dealt for a Reliever and a minor Leaguer. I think he needs a change of scenery. His Salary is gonna jump next year as well
And Who Sits when Infante comes back…I think Infante will spell Chipper a few games at third…Add he will be our number one pinch hitter…Norton will get released when Infante comes off the DL One would guess
July 21st, 20096:45 pm
I’m lucky, I get the Giants feed tonight
With Jon “Pumpkin” Miller??
KJ would be a God in that park, huh. Then our bloggers would be calling for us to get him back in 2-3 years.
Prado + Infante + Conrad = Deal KJ
July 21st, 20096:46 pm
Wayne in Utah, I wholeheartedly agree with your second paragraph, but I also believe if it were totally up to Bobby, Prado would have never been “named” the starter in the first place.
Thanks for reminding me
July 21st, 20096:47 pm
Norton will get released when Infante comes off the DL One would guess
Yeah, you’d think so…
July 21st, 20096:48 pm
Pre-game show. Later, Blogizens.
Wayne in Utah,
If we sweep the giants Ill neve moan about Cox again……….ever………..
Come on freak!!!!!!!!!! dont let me down, I wont be able to live without moaning about cox.
July 21st, 20096:49 pm
Chris – that’s okay…at least we don’t have Furcal anymore.
“An unasisted triple play, by Rafael FOUR-CALL!”
Brave Fan in Florida
Did the Braves sign their 1st round pick
At least I think that was Miller
Nova Scotia Steve,
Does that include cox too?
July 21st, 20096:50 pm
Wayne, probably not that long, LOL. With all the “ADD” abounding on the blog (according to some posters), posters will forget all about the ripping they gave the guy as soon as he wins Player Of The Week for another team.
Flat Bill Kid
DOB could you just ask Directv why they don’t carry Peachtree HD instead? I hate sitting all night on the phone with them.
July 21st, 20096:51 pm
The Mute Button = Greatest Invention Ever!
When ESPN Guys and/or Chip are doing the commentary ~_~
You ever try Fiesta Taco in San Diego? I’ve got friends there that claim it is the best taco place in Southern California, which is saying a lot…
Dang Doc. I’m calling out the prayer groups all over Braves land!!! I’m gonna hold you to it!
(you’d change your screen name and still bitch, huh!)
We do not need to trade Kelly Johnson. At this point, his trade value is at an all time low. Hold onto him.
Hold on to him till when? The off season so he can get non tendered? Sorry, but KJ isn’t worth 400K, IMO..
Rob from SC
July 21st, 20096:52 pm
The Phillies might not need a quality starter to win the division, but when they get to the playoffs, Good pitching will limit their offense. THey need another starter to advance in the playoffs.
“Then, you’re saying that Johnson is worth no more than a Chad Qualls, who might be the most qualified guy who meets your reliever description. That, to me, is selling low.”
You picked the name, not me. I wasn’t specifically discussing a closer. If we go that route, the available player I would covet is George Sherrill since he’s better right now and I believe in the hot hand theory when it comes to baseball players. Having said that, Qualls wouldn’t be a bad fallback option since he’s under contract through next year and a bit younger than Sherrill.
Whether you consider that selling low or not is up to you. For me, that trade works since it returns someone who immediately helps this team. I am a huge fan of Kelly Johnson despite his inexplicable fall off the table this year. I am also a realist who knows that he has lost his job and I’m more concerned on what the Braves can do to help themselves now. If we still have him after the season, I’m perfectly fine with that, but I do not consider a trade of a guy with a lifetime OPS of .773 for an AL pitcher with an ERA of 2.35 or an NL pitcher with a career ERA of 3.32 to be selling low. Your mileage may vary, but that’s where I stand on the subject.
DOB – My cable gets a little fuzzy when it rains, can you come by and fix it?
July 21st, 20096:53 pm
What is the lineup tonight? did I miss it?
July 21st, 20096:55 pm
Thing about that is they’ll be talking about like, Chipper’s mechanics on the radio, but Chip will be talking about Jeff Francoeur’s turkey underwear so the PTV cameras will be trying to get a shot of the undies while you’re listening to something completely different.
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