3:47 pm July 21, 2009, by David O'Brien
Coach (2010 or Bust)
July 21st, 200910:53 pm
Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Raul Ibanez and Jayson Werth have all hit 20 plus HR’s so far this year. It’s just not fair……at all.
KJ and Marteen so far this season.
July 21st, 200910:54 pm
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
KJ 68 234 33 50 15 2 5 20 21 40 4 2 .214 .286 .359 .645
MP 69 216 33 70 21 0 5 21 22 23 0 2 .324 .387 .491 .877
Funny how runs, rbis, hr, walks are so similar.. More hits in less AB’s for Prado. Also Prado plays more positions. I hope Norton gets dumped. I think the big thing with Kelly is how he gets mentally messed up depending on where you bat him in the lineup. Obviously he didnt like leading off and Bobby kept putting him there early in the season. Funny thing also that Kelly did his best at the 6 spot, whereas Marteen did pretty well in all but 3 and 5 spots in the order. You guys think that Kelly lets where he bats in the lineup get into his head?
Can we get some “Roman Gal on a Blackberry from the Lexus Level” posts?
Well, first of all, there is no “Lexus Level” anymore. And second of all, I don’t have a Blackberry. Lo siento.
July 21st, 200910:55 pm
Went to the Nats-Mets game tonight and saw the Nationals play a nearly flawless game from start to finish. So funny that a team that bad can look that good (against Braves nemesis Oliver Perez). The Mets had Jeff Francouer batting CLEANUP! Frenchy dropped a fly ball in right that led to a Nats run, but somehow wasn’t charged with an error.
The Nats new center fielder Neyjer Morgan can flat out go get the ball. Made two really great catches tonight. Amazing that the Pirates traded two centerfielders as good as Morgan and McLouth and still have Andrew McCutcheon.
Every Nats game we’re at I see Stan Kasten milling around the seats behind home plate with a great big sour look on his face. Can’t tell if it’s because of low attendance or because the Strasburg negotiations aren’t going well…
Roman Gal = Blogcelebutante
I have no idea what that means, but I’ll take it as a compliment. Thank you!
July 21st, 200910:58 pm
Fast Eddie Perez,
Remember Infante can give chipper some days off and still produce. He can also play 1B and RF. Id play Infante once at 1B, 3B, 2B, RF and LF every 10 games. That means he would start 5 out of every 10 games braves play. Fair enough. You can forget about playing time at 2b and exchange it for playing time at SS to give yunel some rest every 10 games. and just let Conrad or KJ give Prado some rest.
July 21st, 200910:59 pm
Escobar voted number 4 and 2 web gem !
July 21st, 200911:00 pm
Would you move Javy Vasquez for Victor Martinez or a Cliff Lee/Victor Martinez package? Someone at work asked me this. I figure a deal of that magnitude would take a 3rd team. yes?
“It’s a great feeling when everybody’s playing good and everybody’s playing together,” said second baseman Martin Prado, whose three hits helped the Braves to their 14th win in 20 games and fifth in six games since the All-Star break.
“Everybody’s happier — that’s the way it should be…. If we keep our lineup healthy and keep everybody playing every day,” Prado said, “we’ve got a pretty good shot at October.”
— Braves center fielder Nate McLouth’s left after six innings with a low back strain, but Cox said he might be back in the lineup as soon as Wednesday for the third of the four-game series.
July 21st, 200911:01 pm
You just got to like Braves chances.
Rockies and Giants at the top of the WC will destroy between them and they play the best team in the NL (Dodgers………or at least the best record).
On the other hand we play the muts, fish, phillies (a team we have owned) and nats (they have owned us, but we should beat those guys and maybe things change now that ACTA is gone).
July 21st, 200911:02 pm
Conrad needs to stay & Norton needs to go, Brooks has earned it, the guys a hustler & will bust his azz to win, put KJ on the bench, at least he can hit way better than Norton & his .114 avg. KJ & Infante come back, cut Norton & send Diory back to AAA, dont screw it up Booby & keep Norton I dont give a dam if he’s a switch hitter, he sux! & go ahead & cut Bennett, he cant pitch even with out a broken hand
As Cox answered questions after the game, the manager kept an eye on the Phillies-Cubs extra-innings game on a TV in his office. I asked him if he’s been keeping an eye on the out-of-town scoreboard during games, to follow the Phillies and the other division and wild-card contenders.
“I look at the scoreboard every single game, I’m not denying it,” he said, smiling….
McCann (whose homer was his 10th, but only his second in 20 games, by the way) was also asked about scoreboard-watching.
“Everybody knows what’s going on, where we stand,” he said. “It’s getting to be that time. Coming to the stretch. Every game’s important. We’ve just got to keep playing good baseball.”
July 21st, 200911:04 pm
cabravesfan – haven’t heard much from you tonight – something distracting you?
July 21st, 200911:06 pm
I’m around…enjoying a beer and another great win
When I mentioned to Bobby that they’ve scored 19 runs in two nights against a team that has the majors’ best ERA, he quickly noted — to his credit — that the Braves missed Cain, who pitched the night before the Giants got here, and haven’t faced Lincecum.
They’ll face him on Wednesday. Surgin’ Jurrjens against The Freak. Be there.
It’s kind of amazing what the Braves have done in the last 20 games. They have scored a ton and moved from 8th in the WC standings to 3rd.
have to get my highlights somewhere, don’t have MLB network
Did you ask Yunel where he gets his?
July 21st, 200911:07 pm
I still dont like you………”whatever do you mean”
July 21st, 200911:08 pm
Would you move Javy Vasquez for Victor Martinez or a Cliff Lee/Victor Martinez package? Someone at work asked me this.
You mean these crazy ideas are spreading beyond the blog?
July 21st, 200911:11 pm
cabravesfan: I don’t think I’ve eaten at Fiesta Taco. Is there one down near Gaslamp Quarter?
What’s odds now that the Braves are in 3rd for the WC?
July 21st, 200911:12 pm
I just want to ask a fair question of the blog.
IF and only IF the Braves keep playing this way, then end up missing the playoff’s by the thinnest of margins (2 or 3 games). Should Cox get the axe?
Remember, Francoeur should have been benched or gone months ago. The same can be said of KJ. Greg Norton has no business being on the roster. And last but not least, there is the issue of Bobby’s bullpen management.
Cox…..stay or go?
July 21st, 200911:13 pm
If you dont want to win go ahead & trade Vazquez, please stop with the dumb trade talk, he’s our best pitcher & a fav of Boobys, Cox has been wanting to trade for him for years & he’s not gonna let him go, with run support Javy would be in the Cy Young race
cabravesfan – glad to hear it – red wine on this side of the continent (with a great Braves’ win)
jeffrey d -
Kind of silly question, huh? What in the world would Cleveland make that trade for? They would trade to get rid of payroll and they need prospects…sometimes people make no sense at all.
Don’t embarras us please! Wayne in Utah
Hey, as long as I wasn’t on tv, I think y’all were safe…
July 21st, 200911:14 pm
We don’t have a say.
July 21st, 200911:15 pm
Freakin bad timing………if phillies didnt get this hot right at this precise moment we would be like tied with them for 1st place.
The Braves are in good shape right now. They just need to continue to play solid baseball against the better teams & wax the likes of the Mets & Nats. They would be in fantastic shape right now if they could manage to beat the Nats like everyone else does.
Just look at the last three weeks of the season to see who the Braves play. The final 19 games includes 7 with the Nats, 6 against the Mets & three each against the Marlins & Phillies. 13 of those games are at home.
In the same 19 game span the Phillies have 3 against the Braves, 4 with Houston, 4 at Milwaukee, 6 with the Marlins & 2 against the Nats. 10 games are on the road including the Brewers & Braves.
A lot of ground could be made up in the final weeks of the season. The Braves have the schedule to their advantage in the closing weeks & it should make a big difference if they are close come mid Sept.
Coach..With a lesser manager we would not be this close in the playoff hunt.
Heath – but it’s not just that…I’m just wondering why a bunch of different people are getting the idea that getting Victor Martinez is the next logical step for this team
The A Bomb
July 21st, 200911:16 pm
Montero 2-run HR — Colorado 6, Arizona 4 (T8)
D-backs lead the Rockies!!!!!
6-4, 1 out, top of the 8th.
July 21st, 200911:17 pm
there is one on Point Loma Blvd and one on University Ave- I am not familiar enough with San Diego to know where that is in location to the Gaslamp but if you can get there it is totally worth it (from what I have been told…)
Correction – Arizona 6-4
They took the lead. 6-4 in top of 8th.
Muts hit double digits……………10 games out……………poor santana, beltran reyes and Co.
I suppose KRod is not pumping his wrist anymore.
July 21st, 200911:18 pm
What I cant understand is why Bobby Cox wants to “sit down a hot hand” like Conrad while giving a “cold as ice” player like Greg Norton pinch hit after pinch hit at-bats? Conrad has 1 double, 2 triples, and 2 homers in 34 at-bats since his call up, for a .344 batting average. He hit a pinch hit homer in his first at-bat when called up. Yet who does Bobby use in the bottom of the 8th inning against the Mets with the bases loaded and 2 outs (i know, he wasted Conrad earlier in the game by using him as a pinch runner…….but still, damn, lol)?……that’s right, Greg Norton, who is 5 for 45 this season.
Not only that, but he used him as a pinch hitter on Sunday and again tonight. Meanwhile, Brooks Conrad has had 2 at-bats since the All-Star Break, one of which was a walk.
Matt Diaz was in the midst of a 13 for 26 stretch before Francoeur was traded, and Bobby sits him down so Francouer can get some at-bats so he can snap out of it, lol. Konrad is smoking hot since his call up, yet Bobby must be trying to get Norton on track, lol.
Has this become survival of the “unfittest”? Does sticking up the place get rewarded as long as you are the manager’s boy?
I just dont get it. I think the official scouting report should be “when an Atlanta Brave gets hot, wait for Bobby Cox to bench him so he can put one of his BUMS in the game and cool him off”, lol.
I guess that Frank Wren needs to get rid of Greg Norton in order for Brooks Conrad to be used more often as a pinch hitter. Conrad may eventually come down to earth, however isnt the smart thing to do is ride the hot hand until it cools off? I wouldnt be surprised if Conrad has in fact cooled off, given that he isnt being given opportunities to stay sharp by at least pinch hitting in the place of Greg Norton.
July 21st, 200911:19 pm
there is also one Mission Gorge Rd…
Jerry, with a better manager we would be in first place……..right now.
July 21st, 200911:20 pm
Oh, that’s sooo not cool. Steve from OH
Sorry, pal! Maybe this will make you feel better…
Another way to look at it is to say that the Braves have great timing for their first truly strong run of the season. Why? If they were playing .500 ball right now, they’d probably be eleven or twelve games back in the division and have almost no hope for competing for a postseason spot.
IF you cant understand that, you need medical help dude…………
It is easy………..Cox sux.
July 21st, 200911:21 pm
That was an obscure Slapshot joke, if you care.) (abwright)
The Blogger Formerly known as Billy
Riddle me this? Why do continue to be negative when the Braves are winners of 16/20 games? He is doing something right…quit acting like your an expert…because so many times you look stupid with your unintelligent post.
True but it still pisses me off. LOL
July 21st, 200911:22 pm
Coach, sad to admit it but Booby is just like Joe Pa & Bobby Bowden, he will leave when HE wants to, not anytime soon & then he will give the nod to TP! So might as well get used to it, its gonna happen Believe That. No way the Braves have the gonads to fire the beloved Booby, there would be a pickett line at the TED! Doc, what do you make of all the trade Javy talk for a big bat??
July 21st, 200911:23 pm
Phillies on pace of 94 wins……..thats a lot for what we were expecting from them 2 weeks ago. They looked so weak when we took care of them.
July 21st, 200911:24 pm
Lentz, what you spoke of is the same absurdity we have seen from Bobby Cox since 1991. It’s just that he could get with it during the regular season with all those Hall of Fame players.
Given lesser talent, Cox has been exposed. He’s overrated. He has always been overrated and the professional pundits haven’t figured it out yet.
July 21st, 200911:25 pm
July 21st, 200911:26 pm
like Kotchman in the 2 spot. I thought he hit well there earlier in the year when Bobby put him in there. Contact hitter who can move runners over. (pryguy)
yeah he did OK, but not near as well as Marteen has.
Wild Bill, as long as we keep winning. Wren ain’t gonna trade anybody. If we go back under .500……..all bets are off.
Dodgers on a pace for 102 and they just got manny back.
July 21st, 200911:27 pm
Greg Norton was hot during his rehab stint in the minors and he came through with a rbi in his first ab after coming back…Bobby wants to get Greg more abs…to his credit, Norton was best PH last year and has not had many opptys this year…Brooks is hot, but I still understand Bobby’s motive, having Norton come through in abs in crucial situations will only help the team all the more down the stretch…Brooks will get his opptys…
Coach…It’s too late start this conversation with you but its obvious it might take me a while to get you to see the light. lol
July 21st, 200911:28 pm
Coach, Cox won’t be fired regardless of the ending so it’s a moot point as far as I’m concerned. Moving Francoeur & when it was done was Wren’s decision. He knows full well if a guy like Francoeur is on the team Cox is going to run him out there every day so that’s his issue to relive IF the Braves come up a few short.
We all know Cox isn’t the best strategic manager in the game, far from it in fact. Being a players manager is his biggest asset & liability as well when guys like Francoeur can’t get it done after given every chance in the world.
Back to the point about Wren, he knows Cox’s history with struggling favorites so it was up to him to unload Frenchy. He also could DFA Norton at ANY time of his choosing. Again that’s something Cox doesn’t control directly although he has plenty of input I’m sure.
I’ll agree with you on the bullpen. That’s the one area, of what you mentioned, that is controlled by Cox. He’s ran some of those guys out there wayyyy too many times this year. He plays for today, not tomorrow. When he has some good arms out there he’s going to use them. I guess he’s seen 100’s of leads evaporate over the years with the likes of our former closers not named Smoltz.
Yankees took over 1st place and quietly have become the only other team besides the Dodgers to be playing .600 ball or better.
They easily are the best team from after may 1st.
Spilborghs RBI triple – 6-5 Arizona (b8)
110 runs in 20 games…5.5 per… pretty good Bravos, pretty good.
July 21st, 200911:29 pm
keep dreaming, boys. (RHR)
I am..about all those hot chicks at your house you were braggin’ about…;)
McLouth mild low-back strain, day-to-day
What’s this?! How did he hurt himself?
July 21st, 200911:30 pm
You dudes are plain wrong about BC…He is one of best managers of all time, you guys are amrchair quarterbacks who don’t know what the heck you’re talking about!
If McLouth sits tomorrow, Id bat martin leading off and CK 2nd. Diaz 7th and church 8th.
The Bird and Indian
July 21st, 200911:31 pm
Roman Gal: Ah, Marcus Giles. Those were some of the good days and teams.
July 21st, 200911:32 pm
Hitting a foulball I think…………but he didnt leave immediately……….didnt look bad.
Arizona 6, Colorado 5 (t9)
July 21st, 200911:33 pm
6-5 top of the 9th, D-backs batting and leading. Go D-backs!
OK…hear me now…and believe me later…
Before long (and EVEN sooner if the Phillies land Halladay)…we may well be pullin’ for the Phillies to win every game EXCEPT when they play the Braves. We may actually look back and be glad they beat the Cubs tonight for example.
The Phillies have the following # of games left with potential “wildcarders”…
July 21st, 200911:34 pm
Coach (2010 or Bust): Oh the national pundits haven’t found that Cox has ALWAYS been overrated but you have. Why aren’t you a national pundit you smart man?
this blog is much more tolerable if you just scroll by several posters like robert, MFin04, jeff321, and coach… you wonder what kind of lives these people lead being so damn negative all the time, can’t be pleasant…. go Braves, go COX..
Hey Blog Posters..Tell me how my @ss tastes?!!
July 21st, 200911:35 pm
Many of the bloggers here recognized the need to replace Kelly with Prado, get Jordan Schaffer out of center field, get Diaz in the line-up and sit JF 8 weeks ago…
What took the Hall of Fame Manager so long? His inability to recognize talent may just keep us out of the post season again this year.
As season ticket holders we planned to take in the Sunday Mets game, but after his choice of pinch hitters with the bases loaded the night before we just stayed at home and relaxed.
All we have heard from the Atlanta sports media is “BC can’t hit, pitch or field for this subpar group of players”. Excuse, excuses, excuses… They don’t look subpar now!
I am so over BC and the lack of difficult questions during his post game interviews…
Excluding the Wash….and Ariz of the world…of course…
July 21st, 200911:36 pm
You lost credibility the moment you included the muts as potential WC……….regroup and try posting again.
McLouth will play tomm. but if he didn’t it’d be Church in the leadoff and everything else the same. I know my boy Bobby.
The Blogger Formerly known as Billy…………..I’m not being negative about the Braves. I recognize that the Braves are going to have to play some really great baseball if we are going to make a run at the play-offs. It is EXTREMELY important that Bobby Cox pushes the right buttons.
Sure, while it didnt hurt the Braves “tonight” for Greg Norton to be used as a pinch hitter instead of Brooks Conrad………I’m looking ahead to a potentially tough game like tomorrow night against Tim Linecum. If the bases are loaded and 2 out, and we are behind by one run in the 8th inning tomorrow night and Bobby has to use a pinch hitter for the pitcher…….who do you want him to use…….Greg Norton or Brooks Conrad? But because Brooks hasnt been getting at-bats lately, he is probably a little rusty. By using Norton as a pinch hitter instead of Conrad, it’s asking a little too much to expect Conrad to stay sharp while valuable pinch hitting at-bats are being given to a BUM like Norton.
We need to get MAXIMUM use out of the players who are contributing. Situations will rise up soon (we arent going to win every game from here on out 8-1, lol), where we will need a crucial hit from a reserve. The LAST person I want to see come up is a BUM hitting 5 for 45 for the season.
I’m not being “negative”, I’m looking ahead. I like this team. Frank Wren has done an excellent job rebuilding and remaking this team. It just seems like whenever he can, Bobby wants to use “his boys”. That is why I’m afraid of Kelly Johnson coming back. I dont care what he has done at Triple A the past few days. The only person on this team that Kelly Johnson should replace is Greg Norton.
I support players during slumps who DESERVE to be supported. And when I say “deserve”, I mean those players who have a TRACK RECORD of not being in slumps that last 2 months…..players who when they come out of a slump, come back RAKING at the plate. That is why you havent heard me say one bad thing about Nate McLouth. While it doesnt thrill me to see him go 0 for 4 three or four days in a row……..I dont sweat it. He will come around. Plus he does other things to help the team. Also, we have other guys who are picking up the slack.
Steve from OH
Braves would need to be seven games better than they are now to be in first? And you think Cox is worth that? Hell, Chipper and Vazquez COMBINED haven’t been worth seven wins so far. Now tell me, how is a guy that doesn’t even play get assigned that value? Oh yeah, that’s right…he shouldn’t. In either direction.
jeffrey d, Heath (Cleveland)
I don’t think it is a silly question, if a 3rd team is involved. I said that is the only way it is possible for that to even be discussed. I have quite a bunch of Braves fans at work, myself included, I said I like the idea of Lee for the Braves, give the Braves a much needed lefty, but at the expense of whom? I do remember the 2004 Yankees not have a lefty starter and how much it killed them in that series against Boston(It actually destroyed them, forced them to get Randy Johnson). I am not by any stretch saying we are the 04 Yanks but what I am saying is a good lefty in this park, with this rotation goes a long way. Back to my original point, Braves do want another bat. That has been known throughout. 1b is only logical place the Braves can get a bat. Victor Martinez is C, who play 1st, and has a lot of pop in his bat. He can play 1st here primarily, even though we know he can catch. You can have Prado move to 1st in the 8th and/or 9th and Infante to 2nd, still keeps a good defense on the field
Fast Eddie Perez
July 21st, 200911:37 pm
Doc, I see Infante playing when Chipper is out & maybe some in left, but Booby is not gonna bench Casey, we already have Diaz/Church in right, & Prado should stay at 2nd so I dont think he’s gonna get alot of at bats but its a good problem to have
Also, Colorado has 6 with the Dodgers, including the final 3 at Dodger Stadium. Could get interesting.
Not doin’ it for me, RG. Sorry…
I don’t think your’re crazy at all.
July 21st, 200911:38 pm
The Bird and the Indian-
I liked Marcus Giles a lot. I was sad when they released him.
July 21st, 200911:39 pm
Coach (2010 or Bust)…………I wouldnt go as far as call Bobby Cox overrated. Overall I think that he has been a good manager over the years. It’s just that as far as this year is concerned………..I have issue with some of the decisions that he has made concerning certain moves and his use of a few players.
I’m not the kind of guy will rant “Fire him…..or…….he’s a BUM” without at least explaining why I feel the way I do. When someone criticizes me, I at least would know why.
Like I keep saying, I give Cox credit for this. . .
He has recognized he cannot be Earl Weaver with this team. He must be more like Gene Mauch (without the jinx). Since the team has started to sacrifice and steal bases along with the addition of Prado the team has started to gel.
The coaching staff still lacks.
July 21st, 200911:40 pm
Doc…I started to leave them out…or bunch them with the Wash and Ariz group…but…they do have a lot of firepower that possibly could return. I don’t think they’ll be a factor..and hope they’re out of it in a couple of weeks. So “out of it” that they fold up and quit…should make our journey a whole lot easier…when we play them 9 more times this year
If the Braves continue to score well in the next week (no saying’ 8,9,10 runs a game), they may not make any trades for offensive help….not at all. The team is full of decent to high batting avg/OBP guys right now, making every single spot in the lineup a REALLY tough out for the opposition. There would have to be a really no-brainer deal out there for them.
I thought trade talks were over. We have absolutely no reason to make a big trade for this year. We may try to get an arm in the bullpen but that’s it. It would be stupid to make a big trade right now.
How about now?
July 21st, 200911:41 pm
It is difficult to lose with as much talent the braves have (pitching and good contact hitters) and yet bobby has managed to produce a .500 club by letting KJ, JF, Norton and Bennett screw tons of games.
There is not much that we Cox haters dont know by this time………lets just focus on the positive streak………..
Oh wait! Here You Go!
July 21st, 200911:43 pm
Roman Gal: I was too. How could you not like the shorty?
this blog is much more tolerable if you just scroll by several posters like robert, MFin04, jeff321, and coach…
Wait! You forgot my name! Us Negative Nancy’s gotta stick together!!
yeah, you armchair geniuses keep on criticizing the HOF manager, because surely you know more than all the experts and players as far as Cox is concerned… keyboard know it alls…
My thought is that Bobby is currently sending Norton out there each and every night in the desperate hope that Norton can throw together a hit or two and justify keeping him on the roster when KJ gets the call. I am also assuming that when Norton gets the nod tomorrow and makes that walk of sham back to the dugout that come Saturday, Bobby will do the “right” thing with his move and send Norton packing. Of course, I am one of the few that still “believes” in Bobby, so I guess I am looking at the situation with more optimism then it probably deserves.
July 21st, 200911:44 pm
Arizona 6, Colorado 5 (B9)
July 21st, 200911:45 pm
TP, dont know how ur azz tastes & dont give a damn, please just get an interview & get hired somewhere else before Booby retires & gives you the job, we all know its the plan God help us
That’s much better, RG. What was I mad about again?
Dont forget Infante is a great RH batter………..we lack of. He might see a lot of action when we go against LHP either in LF or 1B.
Thats more like it. congrats. I agree with ya.
Id would do that.
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