12:53 pm July 20, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
July 20th, 200911:11 pm
I just read this…and that is absolutely horrible!
Too bad Jeff Conine is retired. I seem to remmeber trading for him a couple of times
yeah, too bad Jeff Conine never played for the Braves, or I might remember trading for him a couple of times as well.
July 20th, 200911:13 pm
Roman Gal -
Where ya been? This was all over the blog yesterday.
Now I can’t claim to have been in favor of the Vazquez trade at the time, but it’s certainly worked out perfectly now.
July 20th, 200911:14 pm
garrett jones just hit another HR 8 long balls in 15 games. WOW
Steve from OH
RG–yeah, that was pretty terrible.
Holy Cornelia…was that one of journalist jimmy smith’s favorites?
July 20th, 200911:15 pm
July 20th, 2009
Too bad Jeff Conine is retired. I seem to remmeber trading for him a couple of times
Well who was the guy we traded for a couple of years in a row back in the glory days?
I just wonder if he has … say … an herbal approach to hitting Rookie League pitching?
I wouldn’t know. I haven’t met him yet. But I do know that he’s from South Africa…
July 20th, 200911:16 pm
Tokyo Brave … I think KK is a positive element in this rotation. I think (barring injury) he will continue to improve. I doubt that the “Japanese Cy Young” award (I don’t want to butcher the name) is given to hacks.
The Braves’ scouts have also been pretty savvy in picking talent (Jurrjens springs to mind, as does Hanson, who was not highly regarded outside the Braves organization til the Arizona Fall League performance).
The one thing which has been working from the start of the season til now is the starting rotation (OK, the fifth starter was a crap-shoot til Hanson got his call up).
The Braves would be INSANE to mess with their starting rotation in 2009 (barring injury) unless they fall out of contention.
Billy Mays Jr.
July 20th, 200911:17 pm
Billy Mays Jr.here with the peep hole camera want to know who is making all that noise next to you in a Hotel. PEEP HOLE CAMERA will sovle the problem. Have kids so you got an extra room at the hotel and want to make sure they are in bed. P
Where ya been? Heath
Away. No internet or anything.
Steve from OH………………right now, Conrad is contributing as a reserve and spot starter. The Kelly Johnson of this year has SUCKED.
Since his call up, Brooks Conrad is batting .344 in 34 at bats with 11 hits, 1 double, 2 triples, 2 homers, 8 RBIs, 2 walks and 6 strikeouts. While I wouldnt expect Conrad to hit that way over a full season………..you cant argue that dude has produced since his call-up. Why not keep him until he “falls back to earth”? Do you really want to send Conrad down right now so Kelly can “hopefully” show that he has turned it around?
Right now, what Kelly has done in past seasons should have no bearing on what the Braves are trying to do now. Conrad took advantage of an opportunity. The Braves would benefit by keeping him here. Simple as that.
Eric from MO
When did Conine play for the Braves?
I see NO reason (barring injuries) to bring Kelly Johnson back up next week…leave him down there…let him continue to work on his swing. Later this year, if he continues to hit like he is….I see NO reason to NOT bring Kelly Johnson back up.
I like Conrad but he is not a major league player…and I think Norton will have worn out his welcome by then …and yeah…Paul…”his welcome”…EVEN with Bobby…
July 20th, 200911:18 pm
It was a blog favorite…and now I say it all the time.
Writers! Here’s an idea….
…instead of stoking the Esco fires for a story, how about leaving him alone to do his work?
Wait! He’s hot…..keep on badgering him, it’s working so far.
keylargo………….sure, these players would like to play with players that they get along with. However, what these players want more is to WIN. They want to make the play-offs and play for a World Series ring. WINNING is what matters most.
July 20th, 200911:19 pm
DOB: “Any comment Yunel on this fabulous honor?”
Yunel: “Me es muy Happy, Me want trade to a real team.”
Yunel is a superstar. I just hope he survives Terry Pendelton, something Kelly Johnson couldn’t do.
Coach (2010 or Bust)
July 20th, 200911:20 pm
The Braves current winning record should be cause for celebration, except that I feel like tying one one right now after more than three years of sobriety.
The Phillies have turned into the same team they were last season, World Champions and the hottest baseball team on the planet. I know what Chipper is feeling right now, it’s sheer frustration. After months of struggle this Braves team has suddenly started playing great baseball. The problem is, those boys from the city of brotherly love are playing perfect baseball.
Catching them is next to impossible. Nothing short of a miracle is in order. I need a drink, better stick to caffeine for now……..
July 20th, 200911:22 pm
OK let me try this again…..funny comments from Diaz about his bunt attempts, take II:
“That was embarrassing,” he said. “My high school coach calls me. I have some kind of yippy thing with bunting. When I was in eighth grade, I made the varsity team and I had 30 sac bunts that year. That was my job. I batted second, leadoff guy got on, stole second and I bunted him to third. It’s embarrassing that I can’t do it in the big leagues. He calls me all the time and tells me how embarrassing it is for him. It worked out well but it won’t always, so needless to say there will be extra bunting practice in my near future.”
You’re a trip Roman Gal, a very entertaining one.
Roman Gal…………..I agree you on wanting Infante to replace Hernandez. Infante gives the Braves additional flexibility because he is a right handed hitter with some pop in his bat (doubles pop), plus he can play both the infield and outfield.
July 20th, 200911:23 pm
This move perplexes me. (Paul L)
I think he is still kicking the tires on Gonzo’s arm. It didn’t surprise me to see him in. I would have been surprised to see Sori come in.
Paul, you’re being far too limited with your sample size. Peiod. If all you’ve got is that, then your argument is very limited and very flawed.
P.S.–love the batting average and counting stats, genius.
Anyone see the footage anyway?
Bobby Cox on Hanson: “Hanson had his best all-around stuff, with all the strikeouts he got….he was around the plate all night, went strike one many times, and used his fastball to set up the breaking balls. He had them guessing just about all night long what he was going to throw. I thought it was dominating stuff tonight. He really had a great night.”
And Hanson, who said the extra time off since his last start helped him:
“Really just my arm felt great today, with the days off, being able to rest a little bit,” Hanson said. “The only thing early in the game, I was just battling, trying to find my release point. I felt like I was little bit off with that. Really once I figured that out and dialed that in a little bit, my arm felt great and everything felt really good today.”
July 20th, 200911:26 pm
Well, it should be interesting to see what Frank Wren does with Kelly. A decision has to be made by Saturday, when Johnson’s rehab assignment ends (can only last 30 days).
The high school coach should be embarrassed.
He had a future Major Leaguer on his team and he had him bunt 30 times in one season? Geez.
Who was hitting behind Diaz in high school? Pujols and Berkman?
July 20th, 200911:28 pm
Kelly is coming back up. Conrad going down. Decision has been made.
chilidog that cracked me up. course he was in eighth grade at the time….
chilidog75 – Thats what I was thinking. If his high school coach did not have Matt D bunt every time maybe they would have scored more than one run in an inning.
July 20th, 200911:29 pm
Roman Gal: “”Away. No internet or anything.”"
How far do you have to go to find no internet? Amazon jungle?
Steve from OH……….Garret Anderson has been “coming on” since mid May at the plate. I never said that he was a great outfielder. However, his bat is more than making up for his decencies in the field. And with how good our starting pitching is, his bat coming around has been a big plus.
July 20th, 200911:30 pm
Lentz I was going to count all your posts but when I got to fifty after just five pages I was laughing to hard Dude, as DOB would say……. CHA- CHING, CHA-CHING, CHA-CHING!
July 20th, 200911:31 pm
Good point, Carroll.
Still, an eighth grade Matt Diaz was probably a pretty stout hitter. Especially in a small-school high school association that allows 8th graders to play varsity.
July 20th, 200911:34 pm
Hey DOB? Any chance you could bang out a blog about how hot the phillies are right now? How they’re the likely NLeast champs again? How they’re unstoppable?
Steve from OH…………..all I’m saying is why replace Conrad with Kelly right now? Conrad is hitting well in limited play. The prudent thing would be to “milk the cow for all the milk you can get from her”. If Conrad starts to struggle, then I could see bringing Kelly back up. But not until then.
July 20th, 200911:36 pm
O yea, I loved seeing Gonzo pitching the eighth inning again in back to back games with a massive lead. Good job Bobby. Keep up the great work! Burn it all to the ground before August even gets here
July 20th, 200911:37 pm
GA has really surprised me. I felt at one point like he was gonna mail-in the whole year.
He’s been extremely solid at the plate.
Cruz has come crashing back down to Earth? He has 3 HRs in his last 5 games and is still on pace for 41 HRs, 23 SBs, about 100 RBIs with a 90+ runs scored. I will take a player who is crashing like that any day of the week. Now, not necessarily for Javy though! (Jason Fla)
his BA & OBP away from that park are not very good. No doubt he has power, but .243/282 is pretty pathetic. Just another huge out-maker away from Texas. I would not give up Javy for him
July 20th, 200911:38 pm
The “odds” on the Braves winning the Division are now at 17% while winning the WC is at 7%.
July 20th, 200911:40 pm
keylargo, those are some odd odds.
Eric from MO
July 20th, 2009
When did Conine play for the Braves?
He didn’t. I was thinking of Greg Colbrunn. The Braves traded for him in 1997 and 1998.
July 20th, 200911:41 pm
Trade Javy Vasquez for Nelson Cruz? Absolutley. (M-san)
Well, it was 19 percent and 4.5 percent a couple of days ago, so things are looking up for the wild card, baby!
July 20th, 200911:42 pm
I just report the facts.
The team is looking really good right now. If the offense isn’t giving us false hope this team will make a move & probably quickly. It’s about impossible not to if Braves continue to out hit & out pitch the opposing team.
I still scratch my head when people say we should concentrate on the wild card. What the hell does that mean exactly? There is a ton of baseball left & lots fo head to heads with the Phillies. Sure they are hot, really hot, but it wasn’t so long ago they were as cold as ice. The bad part was the Braves were as well & failed to gain more than a few games in the standings as result.
There pitching isn’t going to hold unless they make a deal, which I hope they do. Let them unload a ton of prospects for Halladay so we won’t have to deal with them next decade. Let them gut themselves like the Mets have done to their farm system.
In the next few years I see the Mets taking a seat with the Nats in the NL East basement for a few seasons. Heck the Nats may pass them by. Just a guess, but judging by their minor league system there isn’t much down there to replace the aging, often injured guys they have now.
So I Was Looking On Ebay And Searched Danville Braves, And There Was A Danville Braves Card On There With A Younger Garret Jones In A DBraves Jersey. I Dont Know If Anyone Has Said Anything About It, But Is This The Same Garret Jones Thats Tearing It Up For The Pirates And How Did We Lose Him? The Picture Looks Just Like The Jones For Pitt.
July 20th, 200911:43 pm
KJ is on a roll. What else is new? KJ is like the charismatic adulterous husband who promises his wife he will never cheat again, but of course he does, and the same scenario gets repeated over and over again,for a while it’s good, he keeps his word, but sooner or later everyone of the wife’s friends know that he is going to cheat again, everyone knows but the wife who still believes he can reform. THat’s KJ, he starts to hit and we fall for it all over again, we believe he has turned over a new leaf, that he will never pull another 4 for 51 again, that he will hit homers and doubles consistently. I just hope BC doesn’t fall for his scheming,lying ways again. I hope we trade him now that he is hitting again we just might get something for him.
Carroll, do you ever smell whiskey on Bobby?
July 20th, 200911:44 pm
Nolie – Being as it’s the Rangers, don’t you think we should give em a “special” deal on Vazquez?
Cruz and 3 top prospects would be special enough.
July 20th, 200911:46 pm
Rockies win…Braves now 4 games back of the WC. Also, the Braves have officially moved into 7th place in runs scored (passing the D-backs).
July 20th, 200911:47 pm
Cruz has a fractured finger….last I heard.
July 20th, 200911:49 pm
Chop Chop 10:43 hahahahaaha
He covers it up with the cigars, Shamus.
July 20th, 200911:50 pm
We are going to beat the Phillies down the stretch, mark my words. THere is something different about this team, the fans too. THey were exuberant even after the game was blown open tonight, they were excited, not as casual and laid back like even last week. I believe that fans are starting to sense something good! I know I am. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to chase down the Phillies and have a revival of excitement? Just like the early 90’s.
July 20th, 200911:51 pm
Vazquez for Cruz? Hell no. Several reasons, one the Braves are in the race now & look strong in 2010 as well. Two, he’s worth more than that. Three, he won’t accept a trade to AL/NL West teams as part of his limited no trade clause.
If the Braves were out of it I wouldn’t care if Wren moved Vazquez as long as it was for a bounty of talent. They have played themselves back into the playoff mix & will need him. In all honesty if the Braves had 3 more wins right now they would be considered a favorite strictly because of the starting pitching. Adding an offense to that pitching can & will be dealy for opposing NL teams.
July 20th, 200911:52 pm
I thought so, thanks Chop Chop…
July 20th, 200911:56 pm
I think the guy you are wanting to know about is Greg Colbrunn
July 20th, 200911:57 pm
Mixxo – I hadn’t heard about Cruz’s finger, but he’s not going on the DL.
Cruz is not going on the disabled list. He is listed as day-to-day, and he said he was “50 percent” better on Monday than he was on Sunday. But he’s not expected to be available for Monday’s opener against the Red Sox.
traded by the Twins, and rockies respectively to the Braves
July 20th, 200911:58 pm
Hmmmm wonder who he was talking about…
Jones said he’s encouraged.
“The lineup is better. We don’t have [easy] outs any more,” he said.
And it sounds like my boy Yunel is making an effort, almost apologizing to the media. Good for him. I hope all involved will put it behind them and move forward. (I swear I feel like Yunel’s mom on here I take up for him so much)
And Paul, it doesn’t surprise me that Yunel reads what is said about him online. As in the articles by the, you know, paid writers. Sure he might peep the “fan comments” below the blog but do I think he or any other player read all 3000 comments with every blog? Absolutely not. Maybe that’s why you “replay” the same comments over and over again, like SportsCenter does, as you said earlier. LOL.
Jeff Conine never played here!
July 20th, 200911:59 pm
Here’s the “problem” with Kelly Johnson…3 years from now…he COULD repeat COULD… be hitting in the 3-hole for the Braves. Playing 2B and hitting .300 with 25 HR’s…I don’t expect it BUT it wouldn’t shock me either. You just CAN’T give up on a player like that or trade him for the little return you can get at the moment.
He is like an adulturous husband with a huge…uhh… “bankroll”…who continues to lie and cheat…BUT.. is great in the sack AND if he would EVER just straightin’ up and fly right…he would indeed …be Mr Right.
No way you can give up on a possible “hunkster” like that…(well…not at the moment anyway)
Braves move up another spot. Now in a three-way tie for 4th…4 games back.
July 21st, 200912:02 am
July 20th, 2009
See my 11:40 post. Thanks for the assist though.
July 21st, 200912:03 am
Uh John? WTF did you just do there?
Do you need medical attention after that stretch? I’m quite sure you pulled something reaching so far.
July 21st, 200912:05 am
I mean, KJ’s been here for … 4 years? This is his fourth year? What suggests that he’ll become a totally different player in 3 years? Is 7 years in the majors the magic number? Or is however old he’ll be in 3 years the magic number? Where are you coming from with that? Are you related to him or something?
July 21st, 200912:06 am
Colorado 51-42, +55 Run Differentional, Won 2, 7-3 Last 10
San Francisco 50-42, -.5 Games, +34 Run Differential, Lost 1, 5-5 Last 10
Chicago Cubs 47-44, -3 Games, +8 Run Differential, Lost 1, 6-4 Last 10
Atlanta 47-46, -4 Games, +17 Run Differential, Won 2, 7-3 Last 10
Is is bad for me to root for a Braves and a Phillies win? If it happens, the Braves pull into 3rd place. Just sayin’.
RHR–Kelly is still an above-average hitter for his career. Don’t think he should play over Prado, but he should over Norton or Conrad.
July 21st, 200912:10 am
19 games is a pretty good sample size. HEATH
I’m sorry, for what?
” No way you give up on a hunkster like that.’
You are the betrayed wife still buying into the big lie. I used to do it too. But this last stretch by KJ was the last time I’m falling for it, and it feels so liberating right now. Just let him go John, let him go. Breathe in the fresh air of Martin Prado, there is a hunk for you.
July 21st, 200912:11 am
“He is like an adulturous husband with a huge…uhh… “bankroll”…who continues to lie and cheat…BUT.. is great in the sack AND if he would EVER just straightin’ up and fly right…he would indeed …be Mr Right.
No way you can give up on a possible “hunkster” like that…(well…not at the moment anyway)” John
Well this is by far & away the most insightful post of the evening. About the only thing I take from this is KJ’s potential is being compared to a wealthy, married, cheating, Dirk Diggler.
huge game for KJ tonight 3-4 7 RBI’s, two 3 run hr’s
July 21st, 200912:12 am
OK…maybe the 5-hole…but…one of them good holes for sure….Tha Man has got “PO-tential” !!
N9(Escobar is THE future& NOT tradable)
Kelly is still an above-average hitter for his career. Don’t think he should play over Prado, but he should over Norton or Conrad.
Because that’s something he would say and it’s something that also is true (STEVE)
July 21st, 200912:13 am
I blame monty… for gettin’ me started on this one….
RHR – Really, you need to go back and look at KJ’s stats in 2007 and 2008. Combined he hit .282 with 301 hits in about 1060 bats. I don’t know what to tell you, but he is a MLB player. And a good one.
July 21st, 200912:15 am
Guys, I get the love for Conrad, but he’s not a better option than KJ. Give me the proven commodity over the 2-week career minor league flash-in-the-pan.
Yunel's Frosted Tips
July 21st, 200912:18 am
Does Bobby have that “old man smell”?
A loss tomorrow would be really disappointing…one of the biggest of the year. Lowe needs to get back to pitching well and start racking up some wins for us. Giants have LHP Sadowski pitching tomorrow…would like to see another big offensive night.
July 21st, 200912:19 am
About Kelly ….
He comes up, Norton done for? If Kelly can hit well off the bench I’d think that would work out, plus he can rotate with Prado when needed to give that workhorse some extra time off.
Norton had a good year last year but it doesn’t seem to be working in this second year. And if Kelly can come back and hit well enough (better than .114, no HR and 4 RBI) that would be what’s best for the team overall.
July 21st, 200912:20 am
Unless they have recently discovered that KJ had a vision problem and they corrected it or that he had an injury he wasn’t disclosing and is healed now, then there really isn’t any reason to believe that KJ will ever be anything more than what he is. A guy who can produce incredible short stetches where he hits everything thrown his way but just can’t sustain it and goes totally in the opposite direction just as bad as he was good. When he is going bad he is an easier out than Frenchy was.
July 21st, 200912:22 am
Well..EXCUUUUSE us !!…But Tammy… Steve from OH….and John…will continue to…
“Stand by Our Man” !!!!!!
keylargo–we’d better stop arguing with RHR or she’s going to send MFIKY on us!
Brooks Conrad is a feel good story but this is what he is after you get over the last two weeks.
He is a 31 year old (today is his birthday) who has 19 MLB AB’s. Those were last year with Oakland and they released him.
Again, we are forced to choose between two weeks or twelve years of service time.
The A Bomb
July 21st, 200912:23 am
If the purpose of a “rehab” assignment is to get some work before a return to the majors, a 2-homer, 7-RBI performance may let the Braves know that Kelly Johnson is ready to return.
Now, the fact they treat Norton like Pete Orr — we never know the real reason they’re on the club — could throw a monkey wrench into the situation.
Now Bobby always has to be brought to reality slowly — but Johnson’s performance tonight may actually garner enough attention to make this move now or before the weekend. I know Cox loves vets off the bench but even at his advanced age he has got to see that a ,115 hitter off the bench is a waste of a roster spot.
July 21st, 200912:24 am
Steve – Oh no! Does she like Conrad too?
July 21st, 200912:25 am
Hey guys am I the only one who thinks the Phillies will come back to earth. Sure they have a powerful lineup but look at those K totals.Its been proven over and over that this is a flawed approach. They are hot right now but when a team has that many guys that whiff that much they are going to struggle against good pitching.And when you consider the pitching they are counting on to carry them well its not even decent really.I’m not saying the Braves will catch them but I do think they will close the gap. Consider the Braves lead the season series 7-2.
July 21st, 200912:26 am
Didn’t notice the great night for KJ. Gotta take advantage KJ’s hot bat when you can. I agree Steve from OH He needs to come back! I rather dump Norton and keep Conrad. Something about the guy, could be the clutch bat he brings.
Norton provides marginal defense at multiple positions, that’s his only asset right now…
July 21st, 200912:27 am
I would trade Vazquez and Kotchman for Justin Smoak, Julio Borbon, Blake Beavan and Michael Main.
You can’t platoon KJ beacause he doesn’t hit RH pitching. I would agree that he would be a better choice for pinch-hitting than Norton, but who wouldn’t be? Maybe Blanco.
It should be noted that Bobby loves him some Kelly Johnson, too…I don’t see any way he’s not activated barring a trade. If they opt to keep him in the minors, it will be a foolish decision.
July 21st, 200912:28 am
Peter Gammons said this morning that if the Phils get Halladay they’ll win the NL for the next 3 years. . . not sure I agree with THAT but it certainly would make the Braves’ job much more difficult.
In a playoff series if you trot out Halladay, Hamels, Blanton and Happ that would be a very tough team to beat because they also hit.
July 21st, 200912:29 am
but look at those K totals.Its been proven over and over that this is a flawed approach. (birdawgbill)
would you enlighten me with some specific examples of all that proof?
July 21st, 200912:30 am
Phils get Halladay…fergetaboutit….otherwise…you never know. Just win a good % from here on and see what happens. The wild card should start to “take shape’ in a month or so…I hope the Mets are out of it in a couple more weeks or so…and decide to call it a year…we play em’ several more times..be nice if they’ve quit… by the time we do.
July 21st, 200912:31 am
i think it would be detrimental to kelly to bring him up right now. let him turn things around, get AB’s without any pressure, sort himself out, and then bring him back later in the season. it’s been an awful year for him. let him build confidence through a lot of AB’s. if you bring him back to atlanta now, he’s just going to be a pinch-hitter, and it’s tough to pinch-hit. i just dont see that helping KJ turn things around.
July 21st, 200912:32 am
Why not trade KJ for a relief pitcher and maybe make them throw in a minor leaguer or two. To keep KJ would be a disservice to him b/c hes not going to start and he has proven he is good (probably well above average) Major league starter. And once Infante returns The Braves will have a surplus of utility players
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