Lincecum, duckwalks, and an NL All-Star win….

 

Lince... er, Spiccoli

 St. Louis — Greetings from the All-Star Game and The Lou, where I’m trying to comprehend two things: 1. How could the celebrity softball game have been more entertaining than last night’s Home Run Derby (it was, easily); 2. How can Chuck Berry still be playing rock ‘n’ roll (he is, barely — more in a minute).
  I said the NL would win this thing last year, and they almost did. Should have, in fact.
 I’m gonna go out on a limb and guarantee the NL wins it this year. And not because they have El Hombre, hometown hero Albert Pujols, playing in his home ballpark with all that Sea of Red fandom pulling for him. (Everything you hear about St. Louis as a baseball town is true, by the way. The best fans. The most heightened interest and passion. Boston’s the one place that’s really comparable, and Boston has the Celtics, Patriots and Bruins, so it’s different).
  Anyway, no, the real reason the NL will win tonight is pitching, beginning with Tim Lincecum, the only guy on earth who looks like Jeff Spiccoli and mows down major league hitters like Sandy Koufax.
  

That's Lincecum on right, with Roy Halladay

That's Lincecum (right) with Roy Halladay

Giants Right-Hander Dude enters this game on an absurdly good stretch of pitching that’s seen him post a 7-1 record with a 1.40 ERA, .183 opponents’ average and 83 strikeouts with 18 walks in 77-1/3 innings. Oh, and 10 consecutive quality starts and three complete games in his past six.
  Yes, I know All-Star Games aren’t generally decided by starting pitchers, because they don’t stay in the game long enough. But I’m going to say the AL will get nothing off Lincecum, no runs for however long he’s in there. Maybe not even a hit. And the NL will score a couple of early runs and hold on to win.
  And if it doesn’t happen, I’ll probably just delete that paragraph by about the seventh or eighth inning.

 

  ♣ The Escobar rumor: While the Braves have made it known they are taking calls from teams interested in potential Yunel Escobar trades, I’m told that there’s nothing to a report out of Oakland of discussions between the teams about an Escobar-and-prospects trade for Oakland’s Matt Holliday and Orlando Cabrera. 
  Not saying they haven’t talked to Oakland at some point about Holliday.
   I’m saying the Braves haven’t talked to them about trading Escobar and prospects for Holliday and Cabrera, two pending free agents. That’d be a bad deal for the Braves, trading Escobar and prospects for two players they’d probably only keep for 2-1/2 months. (Holliday is a Scott Boras client, just FYI).
  Has anyone noticed that Escobar, who’s not eligible for arbitration until after the 2010 season, is hitting .293 with seven homers, 44 RBI and a .790 OPS, compared to Holliday’s we’re-not-at-Coors-anymore .276-8-43 and .792 OPS?
  GM Frank Wren has said several times that the Braves are reluctant to trade top prospects these days, like most teams are in this new era. Wren has also told me that he didn’t envision the Braves taking on a lot of new payroll via trade.
  And the A’s aren’t going to pay most of Holliday’s contract to dump him. Not when they’ve got teams like the Cardinals interested in him, teams that won’t demand the A’s pick up most of what he’s owed from his $13.5 million salary.
  By the way, talked to someone here today who told me the Cardinals are interested in Escobar. He also told me they wouldn’t trade Ryan Ludwick now.
  Same guy told me the Braves tried to trade Rafael Soriano to the Cardinals last winter for – are you ready — OF Joe Mather. And Cardinals wouldn’t do it.
  Don’t know if that’s entirely accurate, but it’s certainly possible it was proposed by the Braves, given the injury-plagued season Soriano had in 2008 and his $6.1 mill salary this season.
  Needless to say, the Cardinals wish they had done that deal, since Soriano would be their closer right now.

  ♣ Looking ahead: Braves open against Jeff Francoeur and the Mets on Thursday. My suggestion: Don’t worry too much about Francoeur; do worry about David Wright. The Mets 3B is 25-for-51 (.490) with seven doubles, a triple, seven homers, and 14 RBIs in his past 13 games against the Bravos, with a 1.078 slugging percentage.

 ♣ Merciful break for Braves relievers: Peter Moylan leads the majors with 49 relief appearances, Eric O’Flaherty is third with 47, and Mike Gonzalez is tied for fifth with 45.
  Of those three, two struggled mightily in the past couple of weeks of the first half, and Gonzalez was sent home for the last three games of the Colorado series and diagnosed with tendonitis in his pitching elbow.
  The Braves said he’s expected to be ready for Thursday when they open a four-game series against the Mets. We’ll have to see if he’s ready and if it’s something that might require them to monitor his workload to some degree.
  • In his past eight appearances, Gonzalez had a 10.29 ERA and .308 opponents’ average, allowing eight hits, eight runs, two homers and four walks in seven innings over that span.
  Gonzalez has struggled mightily in two of his past six appearances, both times when pitching for the third consecutive day.
  On July 4 at Washington, he gave up three runs, one hit and two walks in one-third of an inning, after pitching a hitless inning with one walk on July 2 vs. Philly and a perfect inning with three strikeouts on July 3 at Washington.
  On Thursday at Colorado, he gave up two runs, a hit, a walk and a hit batter while recording two outs. Gonzalez had pitched a scoreless inning with one hit in each of the previous two days at Chicago.
  He returned to Atlanta on Friday to have his elbow examined, and tendonitis was diagnosed.
  • Meanwhile, Moylan has posted an 8.44 ERA and .435 opponents’ average in his past seven appearances, allowing 10 hits, five runs and three walks with two strikeouts and blowing all three save opportunities in that span.
  This after he had allowed just three hits and one walk with six strikeouts in eight innings over his previous nine appearances.
  He pitched in 16 of the Braves’ final 24 games before the break.

  ♣ No more duckwalking: I went to the All-Star Gala last night for the sole purpose of seeing the legendary Mr. Berry, one of the true pioneers of the form of music so many of us love. While he’s a shell of what he once was — actually, more like a shell of a shell, as I said last night — the mere fact that he’s 82 and still playing all those seminal rock tunes is astonishing.
  But he sure ain’t duckwalking across the stage anymore.
 While I wish I’d have seen something closer to the late-1950s version, I was still glad to havet least sen him perform in his hometown last night.
  The juxtaposition of the 82-year-old Berry, wearing a red glitter shirt and sailor hat, performing immediately after a set by Nelly and his crew … it was interesting, to say the least.
  Here’s one of the great tunes he did, and here’s a clip of him doing it back in 1958, when there was none better than Mr. Berry. Check out the commentary from Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts and Keith Richards within the clip.


“JOHNNY B. GOODE” by Chuck Berry

Deep down in Louisiana close the New Orleans
Way back up in the woods among the evergreens
There stood a log cabin made of earth and wood
Where lived a country boy named Johnny B Good
Who never ever learned to read or write so well
But he could play the guitar just like ringin’ a bell

Go, go, go Johnny go go
Go Johnny go go
Go Johnny go go
Go Johnny go go
Johnny be good

He used to carry his guitar in a gunny sack
Or sit beneath the tree by the railroad track
Oh an engineer could see him sitting in the shade
Strummin’ to the rhythm that the drivers made
People passing by they’d stop and say
Oh, my, but that little country boy can play

Go, go, go Johnny go go
Go Johnny go go
Go Johnny go go
Go Johnny go go
Johnny be good

His mother told him some day you will be a man
And you will be the leader of a big old band
Many people coming from miles around
And hear you play your music till the sun goes down
Maybe someday your name gonna be in light
Sayin’ Johnny be good tonight

Go, go, go Johnny go go
Go Johnny go go
Go Johnny go go
Go Johnny go go
Johnny be good

 

1,826 comments Add your comment

Winterville

July 14th, 2009
5:25 pm

Doc

July 14th, 2009
5:26 pm

Excellent classic tune to end the blog.

18 Wheels of Love

July 14th, 2009
5:29 pm

Or you might say…

Be good, be good, be good, be good, be good, be good, be good, beeee gooood, Johnny.

Men at Work

MFin04

July 14th, 2009
5:30 pm

Those stats definitely don’t point to Bobby Cox overworking Moylan and Gonzo…nope they don’t

Garret Anderson

July 14th, 2009
5:31 pm

I wish I would’ve made the team this year. Too bad we didn’t give Vazquez and JJ the run support they needed. Any of you wondering why COX put Valdez in the game, 9th inning, tie game, trying to get back to .500? Idiotic move to say the least.

RHR

July 14th, 2009
5:32 pm

I’m gonna go out on a limb and guarantee the NL wins it this year.

Some people never learn.

Efrim

July 14th, 2009
5:32 pm

“Same guy told me the Braves tried to trade Rafael Soriano to the Cardinals last winter for – are you ready — OF Ryan Mather. And Cardinals wouldn’t do it.”

Joe Mather?

chris

July 14th, 2009
5:33 pm

boy good thing that soriano trade never happened. cant imagine escobar being traded for players that the cardinals would have

Vinings Jim

July 14th, 2009
5:33 pm

Salamander – I think she might like fish tacos

Plate Appearance

July 14th, 2009
5:33 pm

CHURCH’S LACK OF PRODUCTION

After the trade, I decided to look at each and every game Church played with the Mets this year, and I was astounded at his LACK OF PRODUCTION.

Ryan played in 67 games out of a possible 84 games with the Mets (before the trade), including 5 games where he was used only to pinch hit and as a replacement outfielder.

Of those 67 games, Church had RBIs in only 15 games! That’s one or more RBIs in only one out of every 4.6 games.

Moreover, he had extra base hits in only 13 games (out of 67)! That’s one extra base hit (or more) in one out of every 5.2 games.

Church only produced 18 multi-hit games (out of 67)! That’s one multi-hit game in every 3.7 games.

And he was hitless in 25 of those games (out of 67)! That means he was hitless during one full game in every 2.7 games. In other words, Church has been hitless in 37.3% of the Mets games he’s played in this year!

The result: Only 22 RBIs and 2 home runs over the course of the season. And that’s just one home run in every 33.5 games.

No wonder Mets manager, Jerry Manuel, was frustrated with Ryan’s lack of production.

Can it really be said that Church is a SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE over Jeff Francoeur?

I would much rather have seen Jeff continue on in the Braves lineup – with a further opportunity to turn things around – based on his two full seasons of 100 plus RBI production and greater power potential (as measured by home runs).

Or I would have rather seen Jeff used in a greater platoon role with Matt Diaz.

Even last year when Jeff struggled, he had one more RBI than Church had in his BEST SEASON (71 to 70).

Many are now looking at SLUGGING PERCENTAGE as the end all and be all of BASEBALL PRODUCTION STATS – especially when combined with on base percentage (OPS). It’s not. It’s just one indicator.

SLUGGING PERCENTAGE simply measures the ratio of total bases to at bats (total bases/at bats = slugging %).

But what’s important concerning Jeff is that SLUGGING PERCENTAGE DOES NOT DIRECTLY MEASURE RBIs (or runs scored either for that matter). And Jeff has PRODUCED significantly more RBIs than Church.

It looks too, as if Jeff’s presence has provided a real spark for the Mets. He’s 4 for 9 (a .444 average) with a double and 2 RBIS in his first two games – both Mets victories.

Stats like these could well have made a difference in the Braves heart wrenching loss to the Rockies on Sunday.

Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated comments, “Atlanta was extremely frustrated by Francoeur’s 1 ½-year struggle, but he brings more personality and a higher upside to Queens.”

Agreed!

No, I don’t like Wren’s trade at all – and with the Mets of all teams.

Because Church ISN’T A SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE – if even an upgrade at all – Wren could have and SHOULD HAVE given Jeff at least the rest of the year to further turn things around! Things were STARTING TO TURN for him!

Some GMs see the grass as greener on the other side of the fence. I only wish this GM would have stuck with OUR OWN HOME GROWN BRAND of Atlanta “grass” – in spite of some unsightly weeds.

Omar knew what he was doing. I only wish Frank did!

Great trade Frank!

MFin04

July 14th, 2009
5:34 pm

The NL actually has a much better team this year than the AL.

cabravesfan

July 14th, 2009
5:35 pm

VJ-

You do know I live in Southern California, right? Fish tacos are a way of life out here ;)

Art Vandelay

July 14th, 2009
5:35 pm

Thanks for the update, DOB. The rumors of that Escobar-Holliday deal must be coming out of Oakland, because I don’t see any way the Braves would even consider that move. Oh, and there’s no tendon in tendinitis ;-)

Chop Chop

July 14th, 2009
5:35 pm

I’d rather have Increase or Cotton Mather.

semiballcoach

July 14th, 2009
5:37 pm

jeff has had 2 years with no visible improvement….as least wren got something for him

Efrim

July 14th, 2009
5:37 pm

“By the way, talked to someone here today who told me the Cardinals are interested in Escobar. He also told me they wouldn’t trade Ryan Ludwick now.”

I see no real match with the Cards for Esco. Especially if they weren’t willing to part with Ludwick as part of a trade.

dogsbrekky

July 14th, 2009
5:38 pm

MFIN – I agree, NL 9 AL East 4

Of course if they played a few more non AL East guys it may be closer

CameronC

July 14th, 2009
5:38 pm

Om MLB Network Batting Practice show, Hareld Reynalds just asked Hanley what jersey he liked to wear when he was little, and he said he loved his Braves jersey, how bout a Yunel and prospects for Hanley =]

Garret Anderson

July 14th, 2009
5:39 pm

Who cares? The Braves still won’t make the playoffs.

dogsbrekky

July 14th, 2009
5:40 pm

Tommy HanSON for Hanley and a pitcher

Would you do it?

Anyone, anyone

Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)

July 14th, 2009
5:40 pm

Plate Appearance,

Thank you for your participation. Now go away.

MFin04

July 14th, 2009
5:40 pm

Braves would win the World Series with Hanley Ramirez. No joke.

Steve in DC

July 14th, 2009
5:41 pm

blah blah blah blah ALL CAPS ALL CAPS blah blah blah blah ALL CAPS ALL CAPS blah blah blah blah ALL CAPS ALL CAPS blah blah blah blah ALL CAPS ALL CAPS exclamation points exclamation points exclamation points !!!!!!

That said, I think Francoeur had quite enough time to get things right. And we got something rather than just non-tendering him, which was going to happen at the end of the year when no one wanted him and knew that could get him for nothing.

I think we’ll eventually see the Church from before that concussion. He may not be a huge upgrade over Frenchy, but it was worth the shot. I do hope Frenchy turns it around one day, just not for the Mutts. :)

MFin04

July 14th, 2009
5:41 pm

Wouldn’t trade Hanson for anyone single player in the majors.

CameronC

July 14th, 2009
5:42 pm

Id have to say yes. Hanley is amazing. If its just Hanley and you keep Yunel, play Yunel at SS and put Hanley in the OF or 2B and Prado in the OF. Id do it, but Hanson is great.

Shamus Thacker

July 14th, 2009
5:42 pm

DOB, at the end of each chorus of Johnny B Goode, it actually spells out the name, Johnny B. Goode.

Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)

July 14th, 2009
5:42 pm

For a competing view to Plate Appearance, may I suggest:

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/7/11/945488/more-thoughts-on-the-jeff

Enjoy!

Steve McP

July 14th, 2009
5:44 pm

Great song choice DOB – saw Chuck a couple of times in the UK in the 80’s and he was an astonishing performer, even though he was already well into his 60’s. Great stage presence and worked the crowds really well.

Rather more amazing that his only singles success in the UK was with “My Ding-a-Ling” doubt those lyrics will ever feature on the blog as a classic of our times!

TnBrian

July 14th, 2009
5:44 pm

Chuck Berry? I thought Marty McFly wrote that song? First time anybody heard that was in ‘55 at a dance.

DOB is nerdier than me so get on to him too.

dogsbrekky

July 14th, 2009
5:46 pm

MFIN – seriously, Hanson for Hanley, would anyone do that trade or discuss it, cause for the bottom feeding scuzz in FL, they would even love to get rid of Hanley’s meagre salary

Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)

July 14th, 2009
5:46 pm

dogsbrekky,

Uhh, argh, ack, uhhhh … OK.

No, wait! …

BravesFanChris24

July 14th, 2009
5:47 pm

I’m excited for the ASG tonight :-)

dogsbrekky

July 14th, 2009
5:48 pm

Chris 24 – I need a few Shiraz and a Chipper’s worth of single malts to get excited about the Phils + Cy Young II versus the AL East

BT

July 14th, 2009
5:48 pm

DOB is so humble! You had a great opportunity to gloat about the >5000 posts. The most popular blog in the hemisphere. Why has AJC made it more difficult to find your blog. With this kind of following they should have it on the front page.

Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR)

July 14th, 2009
5:49 pm

Yeah, I’d make the deal (after much consternation) and probably put Hanley in the OF. And hope the pitching prospect pans out some day.

TnBrian

July 14th, 2009
5:49 pm

Who gives a flippin fu** about the AS game anyways, especially if the stinkin Phills get Halladay. That happens and not only are the Braves screwed, the entire league is too so it won’t matter who has home field advantage to any team not named the Phillies. All that hitting to go with Halladay/Hamels? Sh**, I surrender.

Arkansas Braves Fan

July 14th, 2009
5:49 pm

The braves were desperate to trade Frenchy.They didn’t get anything close to a upgrade for Jeff. I mean they traded him to the Mets for God’s sake. A team u will play 18 to 20 times a year, nothing says desperate like that. I would have much rather seen Jeff go outside the division. Its hard not to root for Jeff, but now our boy is wearing a freakin Mets jersey. What do we have in return? no Frenchy arm in RF and a non producer at the plate! The trade sucks!

Steve McP

July 14th, 2009
5:50 pm

Trying to compare two hitters’ RBI totals in isolation is not very productive. It is also necessary to compare the number of men on base in front of them during each at bat and then also note out the OBP for those at bats (to talk note of walks and hits that did not score the run). All three of these would give a much better comparison of the relative effectiveness of the hitters.

dogsbrekky

July 14th, 2009
5:51 pm

TnBrian – but the strategic efforts of bankrupting the mutts and the Fillies (with ROY H) is worth so much to us in 2 years time…. oh I can see 15 straight pennants

semiballcoach

July 14th, 2009
5:51 pm

dob—–did you see chuck get his briefcase of money and drive away in his cadillac?

Martin

July 14th, 2009
5:51 pm

DOB..

have you heard anything on a possible deal with Oakland for Matt Holliday… Apparently Mychael Urban of MLB.COM has heard about a possible deal, Escobar and prospects for Cabrera and Holliday..Can you tell us anything on your end?

Doug

July 14th, 2009
5:52 pm

I’m sure the Marlins are dying to trade one of the five best position players in the game (and an affordable one at that) for a rookie pitcher and a shortstop with a questionable attitude.

It would take both of those guys together and Heyward. And that still might not be enough. So forget about Hanley in Atlanta.

Robert

July 14th, 2009
5:52 pm

A little All-Star game trivia for y’all

In the past thirty years, only three times has the midsummer classic been so lopsided that the winning team won by six or more runs

What manager was on the losing end of two of those three worst blowout games?

TnBrian

July 14th, 2009
5:52 pm

dogsbrekky, there’s always a bright side to things.

semiballcoach

July 14th, 2009
5:52 pm

martin–read the intro to the blog

Robert (Chipper Is The Best)

July 14th, 2009
5:53 pm

Here’s a trade proposal. The Braves send Escobar and Diaz to the O’s for Iztiurius (sp?) and Luke Scott.

TnBrian

July 14th, 2009
5:53 pm

Martin, OMG, are you just trying to be annoying? Read his blog, son!

semiballcoach

July 14th, 2009
5:54 pm

arkansas—he can only hurt them 18 times rather 162

Steve McP

July 14th, 2009
5:54 pm

Sending our worst performing player (and one of the worst performers in the entire NL) to play for a rival on an everyday basis must be a good deal, unless he makes a sustained improvement in his pay he will still be ineffective and so must hold our rivals back.

dogsbrekky

July 14th, 2009
5:54 pm

Have a great night all and god bless (well unless you are a Paul lentz type, then whatever)

Ciao

Steve McP

July 14th, 2009
5:54 pm

improvement in his “play”

MFin04

July 14th, 2009
5:54 pm

With how Hanson has been hyped he sounds like a HOF starter. Just don’t think you trade him…he could end up being that good from what everyone says.

N8

July 14th, 2009
5:55 pm

Arkansas Braves Fan, I think trading Francoeur to a team we will face that often was the SMARTEST thing Wren could do. Thursday night when the Braves face the Mets, they literally only need to worry about getting 24 outs. Jeff will provide the other 3.

Had Wren traded Jeff for a bag of chewed up bubble gum it would have been a good move.

Get over it, and yourself.

cbweatherman

July 14th, 2009
5:57 pm

DOB,
You going to be able to comment on the blog AND score the game tonight?

Frankie Knuckles

July 14th, 2009
5:59 pm

MFin04
I personally have Hanson pegged as a # 2. But, I could be wrong.

Marv Kleeman

July 14th, 2009
5:59 pm

Hey Plate Appearance:

An absolute brilliant and well written post at 5:33 PM.

And long overdue.

But look at the bright side.

The “bloggers” on this site can now direct all their venom towards Bobby Cox.

He no longer has to share the spotlight with “Frenchy”.

Just Pat

July 14th, 2009
6:00 pm

Did I just read somewhere (possibly Carroll Rodgers?????) that Church and Francoeur both had 16 assists? Or do I have players confused?

N8

July 14th, 2009
6:00 pm

Getting rid of Jeff was more about ridding the team of one of the (if not THE) worst hitters in all of baseball, AND his horsesh!t attitude.

Don’t care how “hard” he tried. Dude sucked at the plate and he mailed in last season after the team tried to hold him accountable for sucking as bad as he did.

He’s lucky Frank didn’t send him to Myrtle Beach for the rest of the year. Glad he’s gone and SUPER glad that I bought my son a Larry Johnson Chiefs jersey for X-mas last year, rather than a Frenchy one.

Pretty sad day, when I think the Chiefs are better off with a malcontent like Larry Johnson, than the Braves are with Francine. Difference is, is that if LJ gets his head screwed on straight, and pissed off enough, he can still be productive. Jeff is going to get swallowed whole and shat out by the NY fans and media. He’s going to be PRAYING that he had Bobby to pencil his worthless ass into the lineup everyday with no worries at all.

Good luck Jeffy.

Doc Brown

July 14th, 2009
6:02 pm

TnBrian:

That was on November 12, 1955 at the Enchantment Under the Sea Dance.

That Is Freakin' Nuts!

July 14th, 2009
6:02 pm

I’m not someone who LUVssss Escobar, but I have enough sense to know that trading Escobar for two rentals when the Braves are 6 back at the break is nothing short of idiotic!

Holliday is walking away after this year and in essence what you could have after this year is signing a lesser shortstop than Escobar for next year and paying much more money in salary to sign said SS. Oh yeah, and still no power hitting corner outfielder.

Trey06

July 14th, 2009
6:06 pm

DOB – I think that if we have to continue with the “This Time it Counts” format for the All Star Game we should not have fans vote for the starters. It doesn’t seem fair since more often than not fans are just voting for popular players (who they want to see) and not the best. It seems like the players and coaches are best equipped to pick the players that are truly the best right now. And since I’m a National League fan I always vote for the worst AL team I can put together. I know it doesn’t do any good but it’s therapeutic in a civil disobedience kind of way. Thanks to Bud, I can’t watch for the enjoyment of the game. I have to root against AL instead of just relaxing and watching some baseball. At this point I’d rather see the Celebrity All Star Game determine who gets home field in the World Series. Seems just as arbitrary. You may have touched on this already. And if so I apologize… Just needed to vent.

Arkansas Braves Fan

July 14th, 2009
6:06 pm

N8, get over myself?..LOL!…Its not a upgrade!!…U FREAKIN MORON!!

Paul Lentz

July 14th, 2009
6:07 pm

N8………..totally agree with your posting about trading Francoeur to the Mets was the SMARTEST thing Wren could do. Well, the SMARTER thing would have been to trade him to the Phillies, lol. However, I’ll settle for the Mets.

I’m still getting a good laugh over the New York TImes sports section saying that of all the CORNER OUTFIELDERS in the HISTORY of Major League baseball who has had 2,500 plate appearances……….Jeff Francoeur has the WORST career “on base percentage”, lol. We are talking about ALL the left and right fielders in the HISTORY of the game with over 2,500 plate appearances, lol.

And this was after his 4 for 9 “hot streak” to start off his first 2 games with the Mets. Just imagine what the NY press will have to say about him when he starts hitting like his “normal self”, lol?

DAVEinNEPA

July 14th, 2009
6:08 pm

Escobar and prospects for a couple of rent-a-players?

I certainly hope that Frank Wren isn’t that stupid.

So what’s the deal here? We’e going to trade Escobar because Bonehead Bobby doesn’t like him?

I would bet we could have a 10 game or better improvement if Wren would get rid of Bonehead Bobby instead!!!!

Just Pat

July 14th, 2009
6:09 pm

Oh, yeah…..I DEFINITELY had players confused…..it was McLouth, not Church and…..dunno WHY I put that 1 in front of the 6. Typos happen……

Robert

July 14th, 2009
6:14 pm

“I’m still getting a good laugh over the New York TImes sports section saying that of all the CORNER OUTFIELDERS in the HISTORY of Major League baseball who has had 2,500 plate appearances”

So the question that begs to be asked is what kind of a moron manager lets a player with the worst OBP in history at his position accumulate 2500 big league at-bats?

Paul Lentz

July 14th, 2009
6:15 pm

I’m looking forward to seeing our pitchers pitch against Francoeur. After seeing him “hit” over the years…….dont you think that our pitchers will know how to pitch an easy out life Francoeur? The only reasons Francoeur went 4-9 against the Mets was because the official scorer gave him a hit when he should have charged the short stop with an error. Another hit was a looper that he was jammed on that barely went over the first baseman’s head. Only two of his 2 hits were quality hits.

Also, the Reds pitching sucks right now. Look at the scores of the 3 games the Reds played in New York this past weekend. Everyone was getting hits for the Mets.

I will be willing to bet $100 that Ryan Church will hit a home run before Jeff Francoeur does. Anyone want to take that bet? Francoeur has absolutely NO POWER.

Arkansas Braves Fan

July 14th, 2009
6:16 pm

A guy batting .100 against lefties(the last thing we needed was a left handed bat…no power,.332 OBP, best season was 70 RBI’S, and a downgrade on defense!..and whats obvious? The mets were just as desperate to gid rid of Church or they wouldn’t have traded him to the Braves. My point was this wasn’t a upgrade!

Shamus Thacker

July 14th, 2009
6:17 pm

This link goes to an excerpt of a book by Bill German, the 16-year-old Brooklyn kid befriended by the Rolling Stones. He met the band in 78′ after beginning publication of a fan-zine, “The Beggar’s Banquet.” . He hung out with them for the next 17-years. Guy’s got some interesting stories to tell. Gotta get book.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02152009/news/nationalnews/rollin_with_the_stones_155226.htm?page=0

PWHjort

July 14th, 2009
6:18 pm

“Its [Church over Francoeur] not a upgrade!!…U FREAKIN MORON!!”

There is not a single piece of evidence that suggest Jeff Francoeur (I’m talking about the 2009 Jeff Francoeur, not 2007 or 2006 or 2005 or 2001 at Parkview) is an upgrade over Ryan Church at ANYTHING. You name it.
Baserunning? EqBRR: Francoeur: -1.20150, Church: 0.65480.
Fielding? +/-: Francoeur:-2, Church: +2.
Offense? OWin%: Francoeur: .318, Church: .434.

I could go on forever, but Church is a massive upgrade over Francoeur.

Arkansas Braves Fan

July 14th, 2009
6:18 pm

Paul your going to bet on a guy with 2 home runs?

abwright

July 14th, 2009
6:18 pm

Some second half predictions … because I’m bored …

1. In the up-coming Mets series, Jeff Francoeur goes 0 for 20 with two GIDP and 25 LOB. Frank Wren is hailed as a genius for making this trade in such a timely manner.

2. Braves go 7-3 in their next 10 games (yay) but end up selling at the All-Star break (sniff). 2 games over .500 and second place in the NL East isn’t enough hope to justify the bounty the Braves can get in prospects for their performing veterans. Especially after Halladay signs with the Phillies.

3. Braves still win the NL East in a one game playoff. Alas, the Braves lose to the Giants in the first round on three consecutive no-hitters.

Jeff R

July 14th, 2009
6:18 pm

The Braves better get a boatload of talent if they trade Escobar, and talent for more than this season.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the rap against Escobar is that he’s temperamental? His work at the plate and in the field isn’t the real problem, right? The guy has a lot of upside potential, correct?

It’s really strnage if management’s reason for shipping off Escobar is that he has some fire. What’s wrong with that, and why can’t that quality in him be managed?

TBF(n)K as Billy

July 14th, 2009
6:19 pm

Plate Appearance

Your study is bogus. You dont hold the players to the same standard…Did you Evaluate JF every game? No…But you proceed to etablish Church sucks worse than Francour by just posting his stats by your chosen method.

On the last blog, someone said something bout Kobe Bryant and him not liking women, and Robert of all people told him to “get over it”

I laughed really hard and spit out my soda when I read that.

David O'Brien

July 14th, 2009
6:21 pm

Had to go through a looong security line with metal detector, which always happens when the Prez is in the house….

This place is just as red today as it is for any Cardinals game. And there must be as many people outside the stadium in the fan village and surrounding the ballpark as there are inside. Thousands and thousands without tickets, just here to partake in all the stuff outside.

UGA Fan

July 14th, 2009
6:21 pm

One thing we need to ask after looking at Holliday’s numbers is if he was a Coors Field superstar like Vinny Castilla was. His numbers this year sure do seem to say so.

Paul Lentz

July 14th, 2009
6:23 pm

Robert……………….I agree. There is no way that Francoeur should have been able to play in a stretch where he only hit 16 homers in 904 at-bats. However, Bobby Cox has shown that when he believes in a player………there is no changing his mind. Just look at Jeff Bennett and Peter Moylan. Bobby would still be throwing Bennett in here if he didnt break his hand.

Maybe I should be wishing that Peter Moylan breaks his hand so Bobby wont have the option of using him.

I feel that tomorrow would be a good time to fire Bobby Cox. However, Frank Wren isnt going to do it. John Shuerholtz would have to sign off on it (which would never happen). Still, that does not mean he cant be convinced to talk Bobby into walking away at the end of this year. Either that………or talk to him about the way he manages the bullpen and sticks with him favorite players.

While I would love to have more power……..I see potential in this team to make a run in the second half. Bobby just needs to use what he has better. And baring injury and a trade by the time Tim Hudson comes back……….Bobby would be smart to have Hudson pitch in short relief, joining Soriano and Gonzalez as options at the end of games. That way, the Braves would have another power arm in the bullpen.

I know, Tim Hudson is a better pitcher than Kenshin Kawakami. However, starting pitching is not our problem. Over use of the “end of the game relievers” and lack of scoring runs are. Hopefully when Infante comes back, the Braves will be able to score some more runs.

Redirect

July 14th, 2009
6:23 pm

“…beginning with Tim Lincecum, the only guy on earth who looks like Jeff Spiccoli…”

I disagree. Khalil Greene looks more like Spiccoli than Lincecum does, or at least he did when he was with the Padres.

David O'Brien

July 14th, 2009
6:23 pm

Forgot to tell you about the black dude, mid-20s, with shin-length shorts and a Braves Francoeur jersey outside my hotel, scalping tickets. I asked him where he got his jersey, and he said Atlanta. It was one of the nice jerseys, the real thing….

Robert

July 14th, 2009
6:26 pm

“I feel that tomorrow would be a good time to fire Bobby Cox”

Why put off til tomorrow what you can do today?

Arkansas Braves Fan

July 14th, 2009
6:26 pm

Church a massive upgrade? hilarious!..Church has 2 homeruns people and 23 RBI’S….324 OBP..U can bet on something else first too! Frenchy gunning somebody’s ass down!

David O'Brien

July 14th, 2009
6:28 pm

cbweatherman: Yes, scoring and blogging. Gotta be an All-Star Game first, don’t you think?

So if there’s a contoversial call, those of you who can comment the quickest about whether you think it’s a hit, error, interference, whatever — post your comment and you could actually effect the official scoring of a play in the All-Star Game, if I’m not sure myself and I check the blog real quick for a little assistance. But you’ll have to be on your toes and respond quickly, because the main scorer’s not gonna wait long for me and the other (there’s three of us scoring) to give him a ruling.

unbelievable

July 14th, 2009
6:28 pm

Because Church ISN’T A SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE – if even an upgrade at all – Wren could have and SHOULD HAVE given Jeff at least the rest of the year to further turn things around! Things were STARTING TO TURN for him!

you apparently dont watch baseball too often. Seriously, take off the Frenchy goggles and you’ll see a player who is next to last at his position in OBP and SLG% and has been that bad for about 1000 ab’s now. Dude sucks, we somehow got a MLB player for him and someone who’s not selfish and bad mouthing the org in public. Once you realize that Jeff Francoeur isnt a good ball player and definitely isnt worth $4 mil you then notice that Church is a hell of a lot better than Jeff

Oldbravesbag

July 14th, 2009
6:28 pm

Have a good time, Dave…..

FloridaBrave

July 14th, 2009
6:29 pm

Yeah, Cardinals can’t trade Pujols’ protection this season…

But an Escobar-Ludwick swap would make a lot of sense for both teams in the off-season.

In general, I don’t see any big bats being available at the trade-deadline who aren’t eligible for free agency by the end of the year. I see the market for them opening up in the off-season…and that’s when Escobar and Vazquez will be moved, IMO.

unbelievable

July 14th, 2009
6:30 pm

Church a massive upgrade? hilarious!..Church has 2 homeruns people and 23 RBI’S….324 OBP..U can bet on something else first too! Frenchy gunning somebody’s ass down!

Church’s slg % is .444 away from that ballpark. He’s better offensively and defensively than Francoeur. What has jeff done to make you people like him so much. He’s posted a sub .300 OBP in 3 of his first 5 seasons and has less and less power every season. Dude may turn into another Tony Pena JR at citi field

That Is Freakin' Nuts!

July 14th, 2009
6:31 pm

Plate Appearance

You’re wrong, it’s as simple as that.

You want to quote John Heyman but there are others who quote Buster Olney who says the opposite of what Heyman does. He feels the Braves got the better of the deal.

It’s not that Church was a great addition, it’s about taking Frenchy away from Bobby Cox cause if Frenchy is on the team, he’s going to be in Bobby’s lineup!

Nothing about a corner outfielder with a career OBP of .308 that excites me or keeps me awake at night because he was dealt away to another team in the division.

abwright

July 14th, 2009
6:32 pm

David O’Brien, 6:28 pm … “Yes, scoring and blogging. … So if there’s a contoversial call, those of you who can comment the quickest about whether you think it’s a hit, error, interference, whatever — post your comment and you could actually effect the official scoring of a play in the All-Star Game, … ”

If McCann hits a ball under the second baseman’s glove, you really need to call that a hit. McFann will never let you hear the end of it if you call it an error.

Just Pat

July 14th, 2009
6:32 pm

Guys…..why don’t we just let Francoeur and Church play out the season (or at least a few games first) before we start down…..or….UP…..grading either of them? There’s a chance that both of them may “star” with their new teams. Who knows?

unbelievable

July 14th, 2009
6:33 pm

who cares what Frenchy does from this point on, he’s gone and we are a better team becuase of it

K with a K

July 14th, 2009
6:33 pm

I would complete the trade to Oakland if…
1: We could trade Vazquez to MIL for their SS prospect Escobar, not one-for-one but in some type of package.
2: We could sign Holliday to a 2 year ext.
3: No prospect better than Cody Johnson is in the Oakland deal.

With that said…we don’t do the deal.

abwright

July 14th, 2009
6:34 pm

Paul Lentz, 6:23 pm … “While I would love to have more power……..”

Wouldn’t we all.

Frank from KS (now living in CO)

July 14th, 2009
6:36 pm

If the Braves stand pat (which it looks like they will as DOB has reported) then ya can say bye, bye to this season..especially IF the Phils get Halladay.

Without no significant upgrade in the OF..it’s going to be.,..same stuff, different day-type thing from an offensive standpoint…… cause Church sure as heck ain’t the answer.

Arkansas Braves Fan

July 14th, 2009
6:37 pm

Unbelievable, Church better than Francoeur on defense? There are three people that believe that..U,Church, and Church’s mom.

NCBravesFan

July 14th, 2009
6:37 pm

Some folks look at Jeff and see a Maserati, while others see the pickup truck from Sanford & Son. Truth be told it’s probably somewhere in the middle, but leaning toward Fred & Lamont’s side. ;)

chipdip

July 14th, 2009
6:37 pm

RYAN CHURCH friggin’blows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just Pat

July 14th, 2009
6:38 pm

Of course, according to some on here, if Francoeur’s stats improve it’ll be because Cox was such a poor manager; and if Church’s ALSO improve, it’ll still be because Cox is such a poor manager. :-)

David O'Brien

July 14th, 2009
6:38 pm

I’m sure you guys know by now (those who care) that Evan Longoria is out with an infected finger, and Michael Young is starting at 3B for the AL. Chone Figgins added as roster replacement.

OK, carry on.

JPS

July 14th, 2009
6:39 pm

That Is Freakin’ Nuts!

July 14th, 2009
6:31 pm

It’s not that Church was a great addition, it’s about taking Frenchy away from Bobby Cox cause if Frenchy is on the team, he’s going to be in Bobby’s lineup!

Well said… Bobby is an addict when it comes to Frenchy, KJ The Fraud and Bennett. He can’t help himself.

Phillies2009Champs

July 14th, 2009
6:42 pm

How bout them Phillies on the verge of landing Halliday huh? Can we say dynasty?

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