4:51 pm July 11, 2009, by David O'Brien
July 11th, 20095:47 pm
PWHjort @ 5:45–
July 11th, 20095:48 pm
Yeah, I don’t think I’d call Francoeur a cancer…a cancer is a guy that the rest of the team dislikes in the clubhouse, right?
Will the Chick-Fil-A cow’s sign be changed to “Eat Mor Church’s Chikin”?
July 11th, 20095:49 pm
Now if can only swap hitting coaches with Arizona.
July 11th, 20095:50 pm
some people only have church once a week. I hope our church is nightly.
Steve from OH
Church isn’t the answer
Maybe not long-term, but short-term coupled with Diaz he looks pretty good. Gimme platoon partners with .333/.369/.509 and .282/.355/.468 lines, and I’ll take that every day, especially when your alternative is .266/.308/.424. Hey, Church ain’t all that and a bag of chips, but if he’s used exclusively against righties he should prove valuable. Play Diaz against all lefties, and let him spell Grandpa Loaf every now and then.
you are a funny guy
Coach (2010 or Bust)
July 11th, 20095:52 pm
Ryan Church is the excuse for getting rid of Frenchy. Enough said.
Play Diaz against all lefties, and let him spell Grandpa Loaf every now and then.
Why would Loaf need a break? He rests enough in the outfield as it is
July 11th, 20095:53 pm
Steve from OH -
If Bobby does that exactly as you and I hope, I think it could work out pretty well, too.
For tonight, I would go with this lineup:
This all assuming neither Yunel nor Casey can play, even though I wouldn’t play Casey considering his 0 fer against Marquis…
IF Yunel could go which is a very unlikely possibility I would go with this:
“…when I myself am nothing but a nameless, faceless string of words on a computer screen” (Steve from Ohio)
Steve, I happen to agree with you and I am most impressed with your willingness to self assess inn a honest manner. However, if you could get the other pork rind goobers on here who like silly song lyrics and cream puff journalism to just go somewhere together this Saturday night for your next “all you can eat” pig picking this blog could use a higher lever of intelligence! Seriously, the only people on here who respect and agree with you guts are right at this moment spitting large gobs of tobacco spit at a Maxwell House Coffee can beside their vinyl Lazy Boy Chairs!
July 11th, 20095:54 pm
So, next week when the mets are in town…will braves fans give frenchy a standing ovation?
Francoeur was a CANCER from an offensive standpoint. He killed rallies and helped keep the opposing pitcher’s pitch count low.
July 11th, 20095:55 pm
Did you also notice Church’s splits away from Citi Field? Something like close to a .330 BA w/ a .360 OBP
PWH – It didn’t look like a strike, so I looked back on MLB’s gametracker and it showed that the pitch caught the corner. Or rather, it caught the corner more than the previous pitch had.
July 11th, 20095:56 pm
Just wanted to let you know that I, among others appreciate your hard work everyday. A lot of us on this blog would love to have your job, but none of u could come close to doing the job you do.
You are a damn good beat reporter.
David O’Brien…………..have you heard when Omar Infante is coming back?
Ryan Church Scouting Report
Owns a sweet left-handed swing that can generate a lot of power to all fields. Can play all three outfield positions well.
Struggles with consistency from game to game. Doesn’t produce good numbers against left-handed pitching. Strikes out too much.
A platoon outfielder.
Well, in that case, then BMac’s been one lately, too, I guess…
July 11th, 20095:57 pm
Larry, I’ll respond after I clean the snuff and pork rinds off my keyboard.
July 11th, 20095:58 pm
Oh, and I forgot to mention…Church has grounded into 41 DP’s over his entire MLB career, while Francoeur, he’s grounded into 42 since 2007….take whatever you would like from that…
Paul Lentz: We all understand your feelings about Jeff Francoeur as you have expressed here ad infinitum, but what is your obsession with Omar Infante as an outfielder? Infante is a super-sub and has been outstanding for the Braves, but as an infielder; he is marginal at best in the outfield and simply provides us with a backup for emergencies. The dude has played 597 games in the majors and only 6 times for 13 innings in right field in 2007. Yet you ranted and raved for weeks that Omar was a permanent solution to our problem in right field! Thankfully, Frank Wren didn’t follow your advice and found us a real right fielder to help out until Heyward gets here. So I guess that makes you the real MORON for suggesting that Omar Infante was our answer in right field.
July 11th, 20095:59 pm
People keep complaining about the Braves being too left handed, but they really are not now that Prado is the starting 2B and Diaz will effectively be in a platoon. I mean, of our lefties, both McCann and GA hit them well. We really only have a disadvantage with Kotchman. I don’t see what the problem is-especially when the cost was Francoeur, who was terrible against just about everyone.
BTO? Bachman Turner Overdrive?
DOB…have you heard how well KJ is healing and/or when he will be back
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
July 11th, 20096:00 pm
McFann & jeffery d.
Jeff was a cancer from a offensive standpoint as Paul said.
And I agree with who said…Jeff played his way OUT of Atlanta.
July 11th, 20096:01 pm
When you think about it, top to bottom this is a very tough lineup:
There is really isn’t an easy out in that entire lineup. No KJs and Frenchys, where you could basically write off an out. This team is going to score some runs.
July 11th, 20096:02 pm
Epinephrine, Good point about the lefties. When Infante returns, Prado could play first against the tougher lefties with Infante at 2nd. We’ll have to single & double the opposing team to death, but I see more upside with this team without Francoeur in there every day.
I read the question and answer between O’Brien and Wren. It was boring to say the least.
Buffalo NY Braves Fan
Congrats to all of you outside the NY market for getting rid of Frenchy. Those of us still in the NY market have already been graced with the “golden boy” and his press conference with the Mets. Why couldn’t they trade him to Japan?
July 11th, 20096:03 pm
Ya know being good in the clubhouse, etc and all the other good things Jeff was or did……..didn’t do squat for wins.
hey belly–happy anniversary
Even with Diaz, that’s 4 regular lefties in the lineup. And it’s not like our lefties are Howard and Utley.
And down in the minors? Schafer, Heyward, Freeman, and Cody Johnson are all lefties too
This has nothing to do with this article, but is there any way that you could request a Know Your Braves segment on Brooks Conrad. He seems like a cool guy.
July 11th, 20096:04 pm
But thank goodness Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg is a righty
July 11th, 20096:05 pm
Epinephrine I mean, of our lefties, both McCann and GA hit them well.
McCann’s hitting .227 against lefties this year.
July 11th, 20096:06 pm
Doc Holliday What do you call climbing until one reaches their level of incompetence,” the Peter principle”, maybe? Anyway for Chuck James it was about the 4th or 5th inning in the big leagues, before that he was great,lol.
July 11th, 20096:07 pm
DOB, thanks for the interview with Wren. I think it was very instructive. He seems to be a realist and understands that the offensive is at the heart of the team’s problems.
I also loved his answer about Escobar. It was almost word for word what I said when he was pulled from the game. What many here were terming a character issue, is actually a cultural one. Where he’s from what he does is not seen as a problem.
It seems as Wren recognizes and appreciates cultural differences as is willing to give the guy some time to adjust. I thought it was also interesting that at the same time, he said they didn’t want to take that passion and intensity away from him either.
I don’t think Yunel is going anywhere anytime soon so long as he tones it down.
July 11th, 20096:08 pm
Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg —-> Saving the Braves from left handedness since 2009
July 11th, 20096:09 pm
When Infante comes back, his right handed bat will give the Braves added flexibility. Diaz/Infante are right handed hitters…………Garrett/Church are left handed hitters.
I’ve heard a number of you complain about the Braves getting “another left handed hitter”. However, I’m sure that Frank Wren had a VISION of how this line-up could look like once Infante comes back.
Against a tough left hander:
1. Nate McLouth…………CF
2. Martin Prado…………..2B
3. Chipper Jones………..3B
4. Brian McCann………….C
5. Yunel Escobar……….SS
6. Omar Infante………….RF
7. Matt Diaz……………….LF
8. Casey Kotchman……1B
Against a tough right hander:
1. Nate McLouth……….CF
2. Martin Prado…………2B
3. Chipper Jones………3B
4. Brian McCann………..C
5. Yunel Escobar………SS
6. Garrett Anderson…..LF
7. Ryan Church…………RF
8. Casey Kotchman……1B
When Chipper needs a rest or is hurt, Prado can move to third…..and depending on whether lefty or right is pitching……..Conrad or Infante can play 2nd. Also, if Kotchman needs a rest or is hurt………then Prado can play first while Infante or Conrad can play second. Plus Infante can play some short if necessary. And if Prado needs a rest, either Conrad or Infante can play second.
While this line-up will never hit a lot of homers……..this line-up does have the potential to hit a lot of doubles. I feel that with our pitching……if we can get some consistency going with our offense, then perhaps we can battle the Phillies to the end.
July 11th, 20096:10 pm
Can’t Stop The Chop!!!
let’s give the youngsters a chance (C. Johnson, Heyward, & Freeman)!!!!!
July 11th, 20096:11 pm
Are you still hanging tough in the WSOP?
I’m still thinking TP is the problem. If Frenchy suddenly gets better, that would be a big piece of evidence. If he continues to Suck the Proverbial Fat One, then maybe I’m wrong
July 11th, 20096:12 pm
McFann :Ô:……………..there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between a play in a slump (like McCann has been from a power perspective)……..and……..a player SUCKING for over a year and a half (like Jeff Francoeur has).
A good player will not have a “slump” that last 900 at-bats. See the difference? Good players are going to have stretches where they arent producing. It’s a part of a long season. I have no problem with keeping McCann’s name in the line-up because I’m confident that it wont take him 900 at-bats before he “comes out of it”, lol.
I…like this trade.
July 11th, 20096:13 pm
I haven’t read everything you guys have said about this trade but that F. Wren is a shrewd dude. He has no hiccups aboout getting rid of a fan favorites or someone not producing and thats great for the braves nation. He got one over on Omar (initially) unless down the road Omar got the better of the deal. Church is a class act and will fit perfectly into the “braves way”. I’m not too sure Francoer will be able to do the same. Can you imagine him walking back to the dugout striking out again with runners on base at Citi with that gofy smile he wears. I’m not sure how tough Francouer really is but this trade takes the cake. If Francouer comes over to the Mets and all of a sudden begins hitting, then the jokes on you. But other than a cannon for an arm (much needed at Citi), the jokes on Omar and us Mets fans. Some of you may miss him but if he only hits against the braves as a Met, then that would be interesting. Us Mets fans are already going through a hard time so Francouer might want to come in and hit before he feels the wrath of an already beaten down fanbase. This was not a good time for a struggling player to be on the Mets. How many of you braves fans are actully going to miss him? Enjoy your saty in the ATL Church, hope you stay away form Yunel.
July 11th, 20096:14 pm
Why does everyone have Loaf batting ahead of Church in their mock lineups? That Bobby idiotic. Church’s obp is almost 50 points higher and he will hit for more power away from Citi Field.
July 11th, 20096:15 pm
However, if you could get the other pork rind goobers on here who like silly song lyrics and cream puff journalism
Well, then color me a “pork rind goober,” I guess. I personally love the song lyrics. If you don’t, then the scroll wheel is your friend, dude.
And maybe a healthy dose of humility…
And thank goodness for that…I was afraid the Braves were going to get that lefty curse.
July 11th, 20096:16 pm
Chop Chop………I said a few days ago that I was knocked out Wednesday, right before the dinner break. I had pocket aces against all-in against ace-king. Runner/runner king did me in, lol. If I win that pot, I would have had over $140K in chips coming back from the dinner break.
Instead, it’s wait til next year.
July 11th, 20096:17 pm
Why not just say they can’t afford him in the future?
Frenchie hitting in the 5 spot tonight for the Mutts.
Ray in Chattanooga
Have any radio listeners heard where Jim Powell has been for the last two games?
July 11th, 20096:18 pm
McFann, his career numbers against lefties are fine. You can’t conclude things over such a short statistical sample.
July 11th, 20096:19 pm
Wren isn’t much of a subject in interviews. Guy gives the company line evertime.
Escobar’s “doing better,” said Cox, who might try to play him tomorrow.
July 11th, 20096:20 pm
Paul Lentz is relentless, isn’t he? The fella just doesn’t stop! Amazing how one human being can type so much.
Mixxo- Frenchy now has the third most HRs and RBIs on the Mets this year.
Lentz, I’m sure you were knocked out by a MORON.
G. Tampa Bedwetter
Trade Wren and TP for nothing now and even less to be named later and we would be a lot better off.
July 11th, 20096:21 pm
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned, but Frenchy is starting in RF, batting FIFTH for the Mets tonight. Weirdddddddd
Steve from OH: You said it (6:15), and I agree wholeheartedly.
I’m a serious pork-rind goober, if that’s what someone who digs well-written songs is considered.
Wow. Frenchy in the 5 spot? They’ll learn eventually…
July 11th, 20096:22 pm
DOB, how’s Kotchman? If it’s the “runs” there is nothing better than Imodium AD, imo. If it is, you might want to pass that on to the guy, I’m sure he’ll thank you later.
July 11th, 20096:23 pm
As a Met fan living in ATL, I think I have a different take than most fans for either team. I think this is a great move,, for the Braves. Francoeur was not going to improve in Atlanta. He needed the move. But, I don’t think he’ll improve much in NY. In fact, it could be the worst place for him. I recently went to the Braves v. Red Sox game. Francoeur got caught off second base on a grounder to the short stop. Their was little reaction by the fans at the Ted. If he does that in NY they’ll boo him for a month.
Phil Hellmuth………..you are absolutely correct. However, if one cant deal with the suckouts that come with playing poker, then one has no business playing poker. I play mostly online poker tournaments and do quite well at it. However, I will play in a few “live” tournaments each year. There’s a lot of easy money (if you know what you are doing) to be made playing online tournaments.
July 11th, 20096:24 pm
Sorry about your luck, Paul. As you say, wait ’til next year.
July 11th, 20096:25 pm
I’m going to watch the first part of the Mets game before the Braves come on. It should be interesting to see how Francoeur does and how their fans react to him.
When Infante returns, Prado could play first against the tougher lefties with Infante at 2nd. We’ll have to single & double the opposing team to death
Oh, to dream the impossible dream, LOL. Prado, Infante, Kotchman, Diaz, Church, have mercy. The 80s called…they want their lineup back.
July 11th, 20096:26 pm
Since Church can play CF in a pinch, does that mean Blanco is headed back to Gwinnett? Seems silly to keep five outfielders considering our worn-down bullpen.
Oh, and I just got up to the comment you were referencing.
In all seriousness, have we ever had a blogger who seems both as pompous and entirely uninteresting as Larry? I mean, for someone who obviously has a good bit of intelligence and a vocabulary, how can one possibly be so unappealing?
Some of the earlier comments absolutely amaze me! I as we would have loved for JF to come out this year in the same form he had in 2007. But the reality of it is he didn’t and hasn’t for a long time! Yes he’s a hometown boy from Parkview and all that but the Atlanta Braves are a businuess! If your not performing then we have to get someone in here that hopefully can! That’s pro sports! Why pay players all that money to just be less than average! It was a good move in any book! Heck if this was New York or a bigger sports draw town he wouldn’t even of made it on the team this year! He got his chances!
July 11th, 20096:27 pm
Chop Chop……………..the Main Event is down to 651 players……just 3 players away from the money. I would hate to get knocked out in 649th place, lol. $22K guaranteed to 648th. However what would be nice would be the $8.5 mil that 1st place gets.
Ray in Chattanooga-
They said Thursday he and the family were just moving into their new house in Atlanta.
July 11th, 20096:30 pm
I said lately…he’s been more unproductive during this slump than I’ve ever seen him. But yeah, he’ll turn it around. I can’t wait till the second half!
OK, OK, I know…
Thanks for the lineup, Chief. I wish there was someway to get BMac into the fifth spot…
For the music-likers out there, The Baseball Project is hitting the road (with The Minus 5 and Steve Wynn, basically the same 4 guys, well 3 guys, 1 girl, playing 3 sets, I guess). Anyway, tour dates:
I can’t imagine anybody cool playing with them at that 40 Watt show…
July 11th, 20096:31 pm
Hey, it’s NY. The first time Jeff Whiffs with the bases loaded or with runners in scoring position and 42,000 BOO’S come raining down on his head, Frenchy will be wishing he had learned some plate discipline in Atlanta.
THIS JUST IN: Gonzalez has a sore elbow and was sent back in Atlanta to get it checked. They’re downplaying it, saying he wasn’t going to be used this weekend anyway after pitching three days in a row and having some soreness, so they sent him back.
But yes, it’s obviously cause for concern, any way you look at it.
Steve-OH, have I not cautioned you (and others) about reading material from the Three Stooges (aka the Larry-Jared-Lentz Axis Of Ennui)?
You’ll put your eye out.
July 11th, 20096:32 pm
Thanks for the info, Doug
Chop Chop…………..the Main Event is now on the bubble. One more player needs to knocked out before everyone left is guaranteed at least $22k. NO ONE wants to be this years “Bubble Boy”.
The A Bomb
July 11th, 20096:33 pm
I’ve said it over and over again — we are good up the middle and with starting pitching.
Corners is where we lack — no power. No power at 1B. Lost power at 3B. No power in LF. No power in RF. Those are your power positions. At least 20-30 HR, 90-100 RBI each.
Until that is addressed you people can put all the unimpressive suggested lineups you want out there. Power is what will put this team truly back on track. In my mind we are not that far away.
DOB, love your input on our team, always. But, that Gonzo news is something I could’ve done without. That’s a sick feeling. Please Lord, let him be alright.
July 11th, 20096:34 pm
What is with all these people bashing Wren for a win at all costs mentality? This isn’t college football the goal isn’t to instill morals and values into kids, these are grown men and the goal is…get this…TO WIN AT ALL COSTS. This is PROFESSIONAL SPORTS not amatuer would you be kept at your job if you were a real stand up guy but didn’t perform ever, i don’t think so. I don’t know about you but i’m not paying $12 for parking plus the price of a ticket to see somebody i want to hang out with, i’m paying to see somebody win, within the rules of the game of course.
July 11th, 20096:35 pm
Pretty darn big game tonight. Don’t want to go into the break 6 or 7 games back. If we can take tonight, and worst case a series split, best case 3-1…let’s keep our fingers cross. We need good JJ tonight.
Chief Nock A Homa
Larry must be somewhat appealing to have garnered your attention and comment….
Now, before anyone gets all in an uproar, I think we are going to hang tough. But, if we do not, our three biggest trade chips and the ones most often mentioned are all injured.
July 11th, 20096:36 pm
Well what do you expect? Gonzalez is coming off TJ surgery & Cox keeps him busier than a one legged man in an azz kicking contest.
July 11th, 20096:37 pm
ncscoots……..There is medication that you can take for the migraines that your attention deficit disorder causes you when you attempt to read a posting longer than 2 sentences.
July 11th, 20096:38 pm
If Gonzo’s hurt thats a double edged sword. Dagnabit.
Closer and trade piece.
DOB @ 6:31–
Here’s a little note on Mike Gonzalez:
The most games he has pitched in during a season is 54. He’s made 45 appearances this year.
Arm issues for Gonzo are not at all surprising.
July 11th, 20096:39 pm
Well what do you expect? Gonzalez is coming off TJ surgery
About a year late with that comment, there, spunky.
July 11th, 20096:41 pm
I’m a daily reader, but only occasional poster. After going to Parkview with some older Francouers, hearing of him through friends of friends, and knowing some Braves personel, I wouldn’t mind seeing you break down this stat for me:
Jeff’s numbers before marriage and after. I really think that that might play a bigger factor in this head scratching debacle than anyone has really brought up. serious, just crunch those for me.
July 11th, 20096:42 pm
Chop Chop, nice stat. I am one of the few remaining on here who actually thinks Bobby knows a little bit about managing, but his use of Gonzo this year, especially compared to Gonzo’s workload history, after TJ surgery is a topic of “interest”.
July 11th, 20096:43 pm
You know the Mets offense is scuffing even worse then the Braves is when the Mets have Francoeur batting 5th.
If he is batting 5th when the Braves face the Mets next week……….I smell a SWEEP coming.
July 11th, 20096:44 pm
I saw in your story that Wren mentioned “makeup” as a factor in trading for Church. But I remember that Church has had run-ins with 2 previous managers, Frank Robinson in Washington and Manuel in New York. Frank benched him (this was 06 I think) and kinda jabbed with him through the press. I think Church and Manuel had some arguments about playing time, too. Is Church on board with the platoon thing, or is he going to pout the first time he sits in favor of Anderson or Diaz. I realize that Bobby is not like Frank or Jerry, but I still have this doubt in the back of my mind that Church could blow-up at some point. Nate McClouth, he’s not.
if Gonzo is hurt bad, Cox deserves 100% blame.
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