They didn’t have to trade him, but….

 DENVER – So a couple of people e-mailed to ask me, did the Braves have to trade Jeff Francoeur? Well, no. They didn’t have to trade him. No one held a gun to Frank Wren’s head and demanded he make the move.
  But let me put it another way: Why wouldn’t they trade him, given the circumstances?
  Why wouldn’t they, if they could swap him for Ryan Church, a player who’ll give you quality at-bats and an on-base percentage at least 50 points higher than Francoeur’s, and has provided reason to believe he can give you plenty more — why wouldn’t they do it?
  Because Francoeur is a nice guy who was a terrific two-sport athlete in the Atlanta ‘burbs? Or, because he has a strong arm and landed on the cover of Sports Illustrated four years ago and had a couple of 100-RBI seasons in 2006 and 2007?

Where it all began....

Where it all began....

  Because really, outside of that, I’m  having a tough time coming up with reasons not to trade him. If this were a year ago, it’d be different. The backlash would have still been pretty high, I think.
  But now? No. I think most savvy Braves fans have seen what Francoeur has done the past couple of years, and know that he’s due for a raise to $4.5 million or so through the arbitration process if the Braves were to keep him.
 They know that a .240 hitter with 10-15 homer power and a .300 (or lower) OBP is not worth anywhere near $4.5 million, and they know that the Braves would probably have non-tendered him this winter if they hadn’t traded him before then.
  They traded him for another player with two remaining years of arbitration, one the Braves believe can help them while working in some sort of RF platoon with Matt Diaz and possibly playing some LF and CF when needed or when matchups favor it. Bobby Cox said as much yesterday, that he wanted to give “Andy” (Garret Anderson) some time off.
 As for why they’d trade him to a division rival, well, that’s unusua, no doubt. But so is this case. The Braves simply had received no offers for Francoeur that included a legit major league player or prospect.
  So they dealt him while they could, before the Mets looked elsewhere. Did his three-double game Thursday convince the Mets it was worth doing? Perhaps. Because these conversations didn’t even begin until Wednesday.
  And when do you think Francoeur might have another game with three extra-base hits?
So they traded him for a player with almost an identical salary. A player who doesn’t have Francoeur’s arm, but is at least as good going to get the ball in the outfield. A player who’s played all three outfield positions in the majors and could move over to center if the Braves needed him to.

Church will wear No. 25

Church will wear No. 25

  A player who’s five years older than Francoeur, but still has two more years of arbitration before free agency, same as Francoeur.
  A player who has hit .295 with 15 homers and an .828 OPS in 370 at-bats as a No. 5 hitter. Not bad.
  It’s not like it’s a big risk involved. Or do you really think Francoeur is going to come back to haunt the Braves on a regular basis? If so, have you been watching him since, oh, the middle of the 2007 season?
 By the way, before I give you a couple of Francoeur stats, consider that Church last season was doing some serious hitting before he got kneed by Yunel Escobar on May 22, when Church slide in late and high trying to break up a double play.
  He got concussed for the second time on that play, and he wasn’t the same for the rest of the season, admittedly feeling woozy when the Mets inexplicably let him on the team plane to Colorado after that game in Atlanta when he got his bell rung.
  Check these numbers: In 43 games through the May 22 game when he got the concussion in Atlanta, Church hit .315 with nine homers, 32 RBI and a .383 OBP and .537 slugging percentage.
In the 19 games immediately before the May 22 incident, he had seven homers, 16 RBI and a .648 slugging percentage.
  He played only 47 games the rest of the season following the incident, and hit .236 with three homers, 17 RBI and a .309 OBP and .338 slugging percentage.
  Church was knocked for a loop by the effects of his second concussion, and the Mets shut him down for three weeks in June and again for seven weeks in July and August.
  For all we know, he might still be shaking the cobwebs from two concussions. Talk to NFL players about that; concussions are serious matters.
  But he’s shown some signs this season of getting back to normal, hitting .280 with 16 doubles, albeit with only two homers in 232 at-bats and a .707 OPS that’s a full 97 points lower than his career OPS before this season.
  Still, consider that Francoeur has a career .732 OPS and .308 OBP. And this season, he was down to a .634 OPS and alarmingly bad .282 OBP that was the fourth-worst among NL lineup regulars.
  And think about this: Francoeur hit .373 with 10 homers, 28 RBI and a .389 OBP and .755 slugging percentage in his dream-like first 30 games in the majors, after his June 2007 callup.
In 601 games since then, he’s hit .261 with 68 homers, 331 RBI and a .305 OBP and .408 slugging percentage (.713 OPS).
  And in 310 games since the 2007 All-Star break, Francoeur has hit .256 with just 25 homers, 153 RBI, and a .304 OBP and .381 slugging percentage.
  That’s 25 home runs in 1,195 at-bats, by a guy who hit 10 in his first 30 games and 110 at-bats in the majors.
  The ex-football player bulked up before the 2007 season, the season when everything started to really spiral. How much did that play in this? Who knows?
  He was a gifted prep athete whose athleticism and work ethic always allowed him to overcome any obstacles in his way. But professional baseball, at the highest level at least, is about more than athleticism and work ethic. It’s about highly refined skills and patience and — very important — the ability to make adjustments.
  Major league pitchers made adjustments to this young, celebrated “bad-ball hitter” who tore up the league his first time through. They started exploiting the holes in that swing that Chipper Jones once called “Captain Cavemen.”
  Francoeur either didn’t know how, waited too long, or possibly tried too hard in the wrong way — squeeze that bat hard and swing harder, dammit — to make adjustments to the adjustments that pitchers made to him.
  He got back into better baseball shape this past offseason, losing the bulk, but who knows how much of it stems from bad habits he got into as he tried to swing his way out of slumps, and when he listened to so many well-meaning people offering him so much differing advice on how to get back his mojo.
 We all have theories. But the point is, it’s been two solid years that he’s been one of the worst hitters in baseball.
  No, they didn’t have to make the trade. But why would they not make it?

  ♣ OK, gotta get downstairs for Church. Or, to meet Church. I’m fairly certain I’ve used this song before, but I’m even more certain that I’m in too much of a hurry to find another one right now. Can’t go wrong with Zevon, anyway.

“THINGS TO DO IN DENVER WHEN YOU’RE DEAD” by Warren Zevon

I called up my friend LeRoy on the phone
I said, Buddy, I’m afraid to be alone
I got some weird ideas in my head
About things to do in Denver when you’re dead

I was working on a steak the other day
I saw Waddy in the Rattlesnake Cafe
Dressed in black, tossing back a shot of rye
Finding things to do in Denver when you die

You won’t need a cab to find a priest
Maybe you should find a place to stay
Some place where they never change the sheets
And you just roll around Denver all day

LeRoy says there’s something you should know
Not everybody has a place to go
And home is just a place to hang your head
And dream up things to do in Denver when you’re dead

You won’t need a cap to find a priest
Maybe you should find a place to stay
Some place where they never change the sheets
And you jut roll around Denver all day
You just roll around Denver all day

 

Portman ... no contest

Portman ... no contest

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Paul Lentz

July 11th, 2009
4:54 pm

Doc Holiday……….if Ryan Church were to tear his knee up during the game tonight and was out for the rest of the year………..then the Braves would have still MADE OUT by getting rid of Jeff Francoeur. That would just allow Matt Diaz more playing time. Plus with Omar Infante coming back soon, it isnt like the Braves wouldnt have options.

By trading Jeff Francoeur, Frank Wren finally stops Bobby Cox from penciling Jeff Francoeur’s name in the line-up. If the Braves kept Jeff Francoeur and he tore his knee and was out for the rest of the year………..do you think that it would have hurt the Braves?

I liken his trade to Jeff Bennett breaking his hand. Bennett breaking his hand finally prevented Bobby Cox from bringing his sorry ass into the game in tight situations. I hated to see him come into games. But once Bobby believes in you, there is no turning back. Do any of you really miss Jeff Bennett?

Just imagine if it was Jeff Francoeur who broke his hand and had to miss the last 2 months instead of Omar Infante? Who would you rather see hitting on a daily basis: Jeff Francoeur or Omar Infante?

Paul Lentz

July 11th, 2009
4:54 pm

’m still AMAZED that Frank Wren was able to get “anything of value” for Jeff Francoeur. Not only that, but he DUMPED Francoeur on the Mets. That is what I call a DOUBLE BONUS.

Not only am I looking forward to seeing the Braves face the Mets next week, I’m looking forward to seeing how Ryan Church hits against them. A number of you have kept on “crying” about how Francouer “could” come back to “haunt” the Braves…………..chances are that those same MORONS havent considered if Ryan Church will come back to “haunt” the Mets.

I feel that the Braves pitching will more than handle Jeff Francouer when he faces us………just like our offense POUNDED Tom Glavine when he faced us when he was on the Mets.

Jeff Francoeur will NEVER be a decent Major League hitter. Once MLB figured out how to pitch him……….it was over for Francoeur. Just because he has “skills” and youth…..does not mean that that will translate to success at the plate.

I give Frank Wren a lot of credit. He isnt afraid of making “tough” decisions. I want to see him make decisions that are in the best interest of the ATLANTA BRAVES TEAM…..not in the best interests of the player. I want to see us win. While there are players that I do like to see do well, if them being traded can help us get better, then my loyalty lies with the TEAM.

Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar) (I hate Bobby Cox)

July 11th, 2009
4:56 pm

Steve from OH

Would not be shoicked to see the Royals send Betancourt to the Mets for Francoeur since Reyes had a setback

PWHjort

July 11th, 2009
4:59 pm

Good blog, DOB. Or did DBO do this one….

unbelievable

July 11th, 2009
5:01 pm

still amazed that some Braves fans are upset about this. If he turns it aroung in NY then good for him, it wouldnt have ever happened in Atl. A sub .300 OBP three out of his first 5 seasons and some people want to keep him around at $4 mil +?? Im surprised we got anyone for him, esp someone who is better than him. Church is slg .444 away from citifield and is an upgrade defensively. We got better by trading our worst player and it kept Bobby from continuing to throw him out there everyday. Now it sucks for Kotchman, because he’ll be the person we are attacking next. I like his defense but he better start doing something offensively and soon

Chop Chop

July 11th, 2009
5:02 pm

A new blog?

That’s called takin’ care of business.

Appreciate it, BTO.

The A Bomb

July 11th, 2009
5:02 pm

If Franceour couldn’t make it in his hometown where he gets a honeymoon it’s doubtful he’ll make it in N.Y. where one bad streak will have fans eating him alive.

K.C. or another small market team might be just the ticket for Franceour — I expect him to be packaged with others out of N.Y. shortly as part of a bigger deal.

fastasballs

July 11th, 2009
5:03 pm

The team is improving slowly but surely. It started with Wren acquiring the starting pitching this off season. Following that the McLouth trade & Hanson call up was almost simultaneous.

Those big moves have been complemented with smaller, but just as improtant ones like Prado taking over every day at 2B & now the trading of Francoeur for Church.

Wren’s helped Cox by removing KJ & Francoeur from the team so Cox isn’t tempted to run them out there every day, which he would. Bennett will probably be DFA’d once he’s off the DL.

Being a life long fan of this team it’s nice to see Wren making the moves needed to improve this team. I doubt he’s finished this season, but he may be depending on the price of available bats. If he is, that’s fine because even if they don’t win this year next season is looking really good. He’ll need to get a big bat for left field, maybe resign Church for right if Heyward isn’t ready & either sign Soriano/Gonzo or someone else for the back of the pen.

Larry

July 11th, 2009
5:04 pm

Dave,

Just read your interview with Frank Wren. As I read down through the questions and answers, I wondered aloud “for once, will David O’Brien have the courage to bring up the performance by Bobby Cox in his questioning like he’s asking about pitching, offense, Yunel, expectations, possible trades, etc.” Even something so polite and diplomatic as “Mr. Wren, do you feel the coaching staff has gotten the best out of this team this and the past few seasons?” Or, even more carefully, “do you feel there is anything more that can be done by the coaching staff under the circumstances and have they met your expectations?” It seems you asked about everything but this, and regardless of one’s stance–and your stance, Mr. O’Brien–you haven’t an ounce of courage in your body! How utterly spineless you are!

Shame on you!

jeffrey d

July 11th, 2009
5:04 pm

Was Mr. Zevon aware that his album picture was being taken?

PWHjort

July 11th, 2009
5:04 pm

Just want to point this out:
Braves record in the post-Francoeur era: 1-0.

Paul Lentz

July 11th, 2009
5:04 pm

David O’Brien……………well put article. Many people were blinded by Francoeur’s first 30 games of his career. I could live with a .260 batting average if a player hit 30 homers and drove in over 100 runs with a lot of walks. Adam Dunn may strike out a lot and hit .250. However, he walks a lot and hits with A LOT of power.

However, when you have a hitter who hits .240 with NO POWER (like Jeff Francoeur has hit in his past 904 at-bats with ONLY 16 homers), then that is totally UNACCEPTABLE.

Addition by subtraction. BIG TIME. Ryan Church does not need to come in and play every game the rest of the season. When Omar Infante comes back, the Braves will have ALL KINDS of flexibility. Infante and Diaz hit right handed……Garrett and Church hit left handed. Against tough left handers, Diaz and Infante can play the outfield while Garrett and Church can play against tough right handers. Both Infante and Church can play some center in case McLouth either needs a day off or gets hurt. Also, Infante can come in and play second if Prado has to play first for Kotchman or play third for Chipper.

I feel that this trade was made with the idea of Omar Infante coming back after the All-Star Break. I LOVE how Frank Wren thinks ahead and looks at the big picture.

Doc Holiday

July 11th, 2009
5:05 pm

Paul Lentz ,

I heard you the 1st time.

Frank from KS (now living in CO)

July 11th, 2009
5:06 pm

RHR from the last blog

Yeah, and I seen somewhere where when Chipper was younger.,…he tried imitating the Dodgers Kenny Ladruex(sp).

unbelievable

July 11th, 2009
5:07 pm

btw, KJ on his rehab…5 for 14 .357AVG 3 of his 5 hits are xbase hits

BravesfaninWis

July 11th, 2009
5:08 pm

What we will get with Church is a guy who will not swing at every single pitch that he sees like Francouer has done so many times.. Church will give you quality at bats much more often then JF did during his time here..

I am a little sad to see JF go only because of who he is as a person, and not as a player.. He was obviously well liked in the Braves clubhouse, but MLB is a business and they had to part with him because he was a weak link on this team.. All he had to do was find a way to get back to hitting on a regular basis again and he would still be a Brave.. It’s nobody’s fault but Jeff Francouer’s..

For those of you that hate the trade, remember when we traded away Adam LaRoche? LaRoche was hitting better at the time we traded him then what Francouer was when we traded him.. LaRoche had many of friends on this team including one of the biggest influential players on this team in Chipper Jones.. It’s a business, and the team had to do what was best for the team, and what could help them win..

unbelievable

July 11th, 2009
5:09 pm

any guesses on what Jeff’s slg % would be after a full season at citifield? IM guessing sub .300 in that category there also. He could put up this line

.240/.270/.265

Jeff R

July 11th, 2009
5:11 pm

Church is an improvement over Francouer; how much remains to be seen.

It was better for all parties that Francouer go. He couldn’t restart his offense in Atlanta; maybe NYC will offer him the opportunity.

The Pirates are in firesale mode, I read. Sanchez, Capps and Wilson, among others are on the block. Capps would be a nice acquisition, but he’ll probably command too much.

fastasballs

July 11th, 2009
5:11 pm

Maybe this trade gets them on a roll, maybe not. Regardless the team knows that it’s GM is getting rid of the dead wood by the truck load & improving the team one piece at a time.

jeffrey d

July 11th, 2009
5:11 pm

It’s been rough watching Francoeur over the past two years that’s for sure. But we’ve all seen him produce from 2005-2007, so we know he has it in him. I’ve watched him every game, pulling for him and hoping he’d get things figured out. That’s why some of us don’t like the trade. I’m not saying I don’t understand why he was traded – Wren had every reason to. It just would’ve been so much better for him to figure things out and become a superstar here in Atlanta. But maybe he’ll work it out in NY, maybe he won’t.

I don’t know much about Church, but from his numbers, he seems like a decent player. Kind of like another Casey Kotchman.

Doc Holiday

July 11th, 2009
5:11 pm

unbelievable,

KJ is in the minors………..Chuck James was like a god down there, remember?

Shawn

July 11th, 2009
5:12 pm

Church is a bum but so is Francine so i guess it evens out. Church won’t help the Braves any more than the out making machine they called Frenchy. I’m tellin ya, Church stinks! He has no power, just look at him like another Kotchman with not as good a eye at the plate. It’s really simple…. either Wren trades for a masher or watch the Phillies take off with the east again.

Brightside

July 11th, 2009
5:12 pm

Bummer, I sure did hate to hear Francoeur got traded. He was such a nice guy, such a dedicated player, and finally coming out of his young career prolonged slump into being the great baseball player he is going to be for many years to come.
Are you happy now……, Do you feel better……., Do you feel like you really accomplished something……, You’ve helped run one of the truly great guys and ballplayers out of town. Are you proud of yourselves? Well, you should be, You really did a good job.
Now he is gone, who is your next whipping boy, Chipper, maybe. Well wait a minute, maybe Hanson will have a slump. A lot of people seem to delight in others misery. You’ve worked hard to earn your armchair GM title, Wear it proudly.

jeffrey d

July 11th, 2009
5:13 pm

btw, KJ on his rehab…5 for 14 .357AVG 3 of his 5 hits are xbase hits

Awesome…with Church here and KJ on his way back, we’re well on our way to the first ever all lefty lineup. Bobby’ll probably throw in Gonzo at short because he likes the lefty/righty matchup better.

Chop Chop

July 11th, 2009
5:13 pm

He probably was, jeffrey d. I’m sure Warren was just dying to have that photo taken.

(A little gallows humor in honor of the late, great Excitable Boy.)

Jeff R

July 11th, 2009
5:13 pm

Kelly Johnson… blistering minor league pitchers. Wow. I wonder if he’s fielding any better down there?

Plate Appearance

July 11th, 2009
5:14 pm

POTENTIAL LOST AND WREN’S VEINS OF ICE

I truly believe Jeff HAS THE POTENTIAL to turn things around — and was starting to figure things out. It’s unfortunate however, that he’ll no longer have the opportunity to do so in his home town, Atlanta.

His trade came off of a three double night, just after Jeff watched film with Bobby and made an adjustment with his hands.

When interviewed on the manager’s report for the radio broadcast last night, Bobby too said he felt Jeff was turning things around.

And I do believe he’s going to do so with the Mets.

It will be difficult to watch though – just as it was difficult to watch Tom Glavine in a Mets uniform.

But in respect to this trade, Wren has again demonstrated that he has ice water in his veins, rather than blood.

Frank would trade or release his own mother – with his win at all costs attitude – to fulfill what I’m starting to believe are his own ego needs for positive recognition.

There were a lot of VERY SOMBER Braves interviewed yesterday.

It’s a shame. I don’t believe the Braves significantly bettered themselves on the field. Maybe a little better in batting average, on base percentage, and slugging percentage in the short run – in comparing Church with Francoeur. But this with a loss in power potential and assists from the outfield.

Moreover, another 31 year old Brave, Matt Diaz, has better overall numbers than Church does this year, based on his limited playing time – with a .303 average (versus .280), a .377 on base percentage (versus .332), a .465 slugging percentage (versus .375), a .842 OPS. (versus .707), more home runs (4 vs. 2), more doubles (21 vs. 14), and the same number of RBI’s (22). Church also has 77 more at bats.

Yet, there was A FURTHER SIGNIFICANT COST with the so called intangibles in what makes a winning team.

What’s this cost?

Clubhouse chemistry. Friendship lost. Faithfulness to an organization and to a city. Loyalty. Commitment. Laughter.

If anything Jeff was a player and a person who gave his all – and ever did so with a smile on his face.

This is a trade that had to leave an EMPTY FEELING IN THE GUT of each and every Braves player, coach, and organizational individual – with the exception of ice-veined Wren.

I felt it last night when I heard the news – that empty, kicked in the gut kind of feeling (as I also felt with Wren’s dealings with Smoltz and Glavine).

Mark Lemke and Don Sutton talked about this “empty, sinking stomach reaction” during the Braves-Rockies game last night.

With Mark, it occurred when he was released by the Braves and later went to Boston.

And with Don, his “kicked in the stomach feeling” occurred after hearing about being traded – during one of the two times he was traded. He commented that stood in his home and cried.

When interviewed, Brian McCann talked about no longer having his best friend around.

Chipper spoke in anguished tones about baseball being a business.

Bobby talked about losing someone who he had really wanted to succeed as a Brave – and someone who had been with the organization a long time.

All hurting. All kicked in the stomach in one way or another — with Wren doing the kicking.

One blogger aptly expressed that Jeff will now have much to talk with John Smoltz about by phone.

Yes, GREAT POTENTIAL was lost in a multitude of ways when Jeff was traded.

It WILL INDEED BE DIFFICULT to watch Jeff in a Met’s uniform. Thanks for YOUR GREAT YEARS AS A BRAVE JEFF!

At least now some fans and Frank Wren in particular won’t have Jeff to kick around any more.

I do hope he proves Frank wrong. One thing’s for certain, Jeff will be TRYING HIS HARDEST to do so!

Larry

July 11th, 2009
5:15 pm

Brightside,

Is this really your name or alter ego?

Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar) (I hate Bobby Cox)

July 11th, 2009
5:15 pm

By reading that interview, seems like Escobar is Wren’s boy. I hope so

jeffrey d

July 11th, 2009
5:15 pm

He probably was, jeffrey d. I’m sure Warren was just dying to have that photo taken.

ha! nice.

But I mean…what did the photographer say? “Tilt your head slightly and look unhappy to be alive. Perfect!” *flash*

Lamar Banks

July 11th, 2009
5:15 pm

PWHjort

July 11th, 2009
5:04 pm
Just want to point this out:
Braves record in the post-Francoeur era: 1-0.

Hallelujah

CameronC

July 11th, 2009
5:16 pm

Can someone tell me where I can go to watch the videos of the players reactions to the Francoeur trade from yesterday?

fastasballs

July 11th, 2009
5:16 pm

“But we’ve all seen him produce from 2005-2007, so we know he has it in him” Jeffrey D

Sure he has it in him, but what he doesn’t have is the ability to make adjustments. You swim or drown at this level based on making adjustments. Everyone that gets to the this level has the ability, some more than others, but they are all talented.

IF Francoeur makes adjustments he will be ok, but what has he done the past two seasons or so to lead you to believe he can or will? I hope he gets his career back on track, I really do, but his time here was up.

TnBrian

July 11th, 2009
5:16 pm

Paul Lentz, you’re not fooling anybody, we know that you’re “Plate Apprearance”. I mean, who else would type a neverending post that gives the unfortunate people scanning through it the runs?

Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar) (I hate Bobby Cox)

July 11th, 2009
5:16 pm

Plate Appearance

Francoeur has sucked for two years, where was his potential then. He can’t hit a high fastball or the slider away.

Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar) (I hate Bobby Cox)

July 11th, 2009
5:18 pm

I guess Heyward won’t be in the lineup tongiht because he will be in the futures game tomorrow

Larry

July 11th, 2009
5:18 pm

Shawn,

STOP HITTING THE “ENTER” BUTTON AFTER EVERY FREAKING SENTENCE!

And take a Prozac! It was only Francoeur, for Pete’s sake!

Jeff R

July 11th, 2009
5:18 pm

Our boys have to shake off the loss of their buddy. Baseball is a business, as cold-eyed at times as any other.

Francouer had lost his claim on his starting position. He become a pretty poor singles hitter.

Believe I like the guy, and I respect him for working his butt off to get his game back, but his efforts failed.

He’s better off elsewhere. A fresh start, lower expectations, less pressure as a result. Believe it or not, the trade was good for him, too.

jeffrey d

July 11th, 2009
5:18 pm

fastasballs – Like I said…I completely understand why Wren and about 3/4 of the city of Atlanta wanted him gone. Just saying it’d have been awesome to see him turn it around here.

Gone Viral

July 11th, 2009
5:18 pm

“How utterly spineless you are!”

Says the person trolling on the internet…

Rob from SC (Please don't trade Escobar) (I hate Bobby Cox)

July 11th, 2009
5:19 pm

Is Heyward starting the futures Game

fastasballs

July 11th, 2009
5:19 pm

Plate Appearance, Do you need a hug?

Paul Lentz

July 11th, 2009
5:19 pm

jeffrey d………….havent you considered that the reason why Francoeur had success in the first part of his career was because MLB had yet to figure out how to pitch him? Baseball is a game of ADJUSTMENTS. Once MLB figured out how to pitch Francoeur……..Francoeur became exposed as a talented player who dos not have the ability to make adjustments at the plate.

Brian McCann has flourished and gotten better as a player during his whole time with the Braves. I’m sure that he pays attention to Chipper’s approach to the plate. Yet Francoeur totally ignored the wealth of information that Chipper had to offer. He continued to do his “own thing” at the plate.

Past accomplishments only go so far. There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between a slump…..and just plain SUCKING. I mean, come on………what was Francoeur waiting for? 16 homers in his last 904 at-bats with a .240 batting average? I’ve NEVER heard of a “slump” lasting that long. However, I’ve heard of players SUCKING that long.

Bobby's Belly

July 11th, 2009
5:20 pm

Brightside – Being sarcastic, right? Nice guys all around baseball – probably some still w/ the Braves. Dedicated ones, too (I hear they have alot $ to play for). And yes, Chipper needs to take off the skirt and get his a$$ on the field being the nice guy (HOOTERS!) and dedicated player (130 games per yr) you like so much.

Steve from OH

July 11th, 2009
5:20 pm

Says the person trolling on the internet…

Yeah, I always thought that was one of the greater ironies out there…

CameronC

July 11th, 2009
5:20 pm

————->
Can someone tell me where I can go to watch the videos of the players reactions to the Francoeur trade from yesterday?
————->

Jeff R

July 11th, 2009
5:21 pm

Baseball is a game of ADJUSTMENTS… Amen, Paul Lentz.

unbelievable

July 11th, 2009
5:21 pm

Plate appearance, do you expect Chipper and Mac to act all excited when they are getting interviewed? They are friends with the guy you know. I think both of them know that Jeff has sucked and that he’s dead weight on their team, but I can guarantee you wont ever here them say it in public.

fastasballs

July 11th, 2009
5:22 pm

jeffrey d, I’d have loved for Francoeur to have turned it around. You can’t root against the kid, he’s a great guy according to most who know him. He simply couldn’t do it here for whatever reason. Maybe he will in New York or maybe this is the beginning of the end for his baseball career.

Lamar Banks

July 11th, 2009
5:22 pm

I can’t believe people are taking about loyalty and faithfulness to a player. You are looking at the wrong line of work. Teams don’t owe it to a player who is performing poorly to get a raise. Jeff Francoeur is “beloved” by blinded casual fans for all the WRONG reasons.

You may like him b/c he is a Ga native, or a like-able guy but as a professional baseball player he was not getting it done. All baseball players know if you under perform, you move on PERIOD.

Gone Viral

July 11th, 2009
5:23 pm

“Frank would trade or release his own mother – with his win at all costs attitude”

Any GM who doesn’t have that attitude should be fired immediately.

With regards to clubhouse chemistry, you’re exactly backwards on the subject.Francoeur had to go to remove the perception that local kids and perceived box office draws were above the law with regards to performance.

Simply put, there was no place for Jeff Francoeur on this team. He played his way out of his dream job.

jeffrey d

July 11th, 2009
5:24 pm

Paul Lentz – chill…I never said “Jeff Francoeur is the greatest baseball player ever. He’ll come out of his slump tonight and Frank Wren should be fired for ever letting him go.” I know he was awful. I said I was pulling for him to make those adjustments and see him succeed here in Atlanta.

Seemed like several people were rooting for him to GIDP every time so they could have more reason to complain about him and hope he’d get released.

UNCBrave

July 11th, 2009
5:24 pm

I still think Church won’t be in Atlanta long…Braves are too LEFT-HANDED…

I see:
MARLINS GET:
LHP Mike Gonzales
OF Ryan Church

BRAVES GET:
OF Cody Ross
??

Or Trade with the Dodgers:

Braves Get Matt Kemp

:)

NORRIS

July 11th, 2009
5:24 pm

hey brightside… you made the comment that jeff was in a slump.
exactly how long does a slump lasts before you redefine it to “sucks”???

Preston Hannatized

July 11th, 2009
5:25 pm

It’s weird – the other night during a Braves rain delay, FSS ran for the umpty-ninth time, the Francoeur story. Those were the days my friend when he broke in and all was sweet & easy. Sports are cruel … pitchers find weaknesses and they will damn sure get you out. You have to adjust. He hadn’t. I hope he figures it out. I don’t think he will.

Rob from SC

July 11th, 2009
5:25 pm

Francoeur is not coming out of it against Johnny Cueto

jeffrey d

July 11th, 2009
5:25 pm

Maybe he will in New York or maybe this is the beginning of the end for his baseball career.

See, and that’s where it gets sticky….you want to root for the guy, but you can’t while he’s playing with the Mets

RHR

July 11th, 2009
5:26 pm

Brightside is just Chop Chop
or someone trying to be funny, right?

Braveheart

July 11th, 2009
5:26 pm

Seems so unbecoming in so many ways for a supposed surgeon with a shamelessly self-proclaimed IQ of 140 to waste his time calling a beat writer spineless.

Heath (Cleveland)

July 11th, 2009
5:27 pm

UNCBrave -

I hope that the JF/Church trade is a precursor to something else too since Church has more universal value than JF right now.

travis

July 11th, 2009
5:27 pm

Plate Appearance, You have succeeded in causing several people on this blog to go into uncontrollable fits of laughter. If that was your purpose you have accomplished your goal in admirable style. Too bad your are full of it. You have absolutley no idea what it takes to run a business. And guess what? Baseball is a business. It’s about winning games to promote advertising and make money for the owners not making sure everyone gets along in the sandbox. What are you three years old.

UNCBrave

July 11th, 2009
5:27 pm

Anyone see the line-up yet? HOW ABOUT THIS??

OF McLouth
2B Prado
3B Chipper
C McCann
SS Escobar
LF Anderson
RF Church
1B Kotchman
P Jurrjens

Paul Lentz

July 11th, 2009
5:28 pm

Plate Appearance…………………I saw Jeff Francoeur hit a pitch for a double on Thursday that he should have CRUSHED for a homer. That was a “hanger” that had “put my A$$ in the cheap seats” written ALL OVER IT.

I realize that even good players miss hangers. However, good players will also deposit their fair share of hangers in the outfield seats. Yet Francoeur RARELY did it anymore. I see no reason to believe that Francoeur would have followed Thursday’s game with 3 weeks of SUCKING at the plate. His track record proves it.

In early June, he hit that game tying homer against the Cubs to send that game to extra innings. He then went the next 3 weeks without doing anything until he hit that homer against the Yankees. He followed that but basically SUCKING until Thursday’s 3 double performance.

Every time the “Jeff Francoeur jock sniffing brigade” would come out and say “oh, Francoeur’s swinging the bat better…….see, Francoeur had a good game tonight”…………he would follow that up with more SUCKING at the plate.

One good game does not mean that you are “hitting better”. Hitting .400 like Martin Prado has over his past 26 games SHOWS that you are “hitting better”.

Larry

July 11th, 2009
5:28 pm

“Plate appearance, do you expect Chipper and Mac to act all excited when they are getting interviewed?”

Actually, the word out of Buckhead last night was about half the Braves coaches and players were seen partying until early this morning upon finishing the game. Why? Well, according to thousands of identified sources, for the first time this season, they no longer have to play with an automatic out in right field so fresh, new hope abounds!

jeffrey d

July 11th, 2009
5:29 pm

5 lefties in that lineup

Steve from OH

July 11th, 2009
5:29 pm

“Self-proclaimed” being the key word there, Braveheart…

Gone Viral

July 11th, 2009
5:30 pm

“Francoeur is not coming out of it against Johnny Cueto”

That depends on whether it’s the Johnny Cueto of 2009 up until this week or the Johnny Cueto of Monday. He wasn’t right against the Phillies. His velocity was down and everything was straight. I was surprised they left him in for 50 pitches in the 1st.

bocabrave

July 11th, 2009
5:31 pm

If Braves were partying in Buckhead last night, we have bigger news than baseball, i.e. the invention of transporter beams.

NORRIS

July 11th, 2009
5:32 pm

how bout this lineup.

bret Butler CF
rafael ramirez ss
Glenn Hubard 2nd
Bob horner 3rd
dale Murphy lf
Claudell Washington rf
chris chambliss 1b
bruce benedict c

that was nice to remember wasnt it??? except for the fact we lost all the time.

jeffrey d

July 11th, 2009
5:33 pm

If Braves were partying in Buckhead last night, we have bigger news than baseball, i.e. the invention of transporter beams.

Wonder if they transported after the game or just checked in between innings. Because that game ended pretty late last night

Larry

July 11th, 2009
5:33 pm

No Heart,

That’s 141! Please get your facts straight!

Chop Chop

July 11th, 2009
5:34 pm

I wouldn’t waste my time with something like that, RHR.

DevilInLaw

July 11th, 2009
5:34 pm

Important to note that Church’s slugging numbers are down this year b/c he was playing in the Mets new cavernous ballpark.

Larry

July 11th, 2009
5:34 pm

Steve from Ohio,

Speaking of spineless…

Frankie Knuckles

July 11th, 2009
5:36 pm

Plate Appearance. Bravo. Bravo. oh wait.. Jeff really did suck. He really did.

Paul Lentz

July 11th, 2009
5:36 pm

TnBrian……………Uh, MORON, how can you say that I’m using another name like “plate appearance”, when his posting goes against what I’ve been sayin? Dude is an advocate for Jeff Francoeur, something that I AM NOT.

Yet, because you see a long posting, you just assume that it is me. Again, you are just a perfect example of a MORON who isnt able to take the time to do a little research or critically think.

You can join your fellow MORONS yesterday who cried “I cant believe that the Braves paid cash to the Mets to make this deal happen”. I took the time to look up how much Ryan Church was making and compared it to Francoeur’s salary. Then I did a little math and figured out the pro-rated difference. It’s a little less than $300,000…….which is what the Braves sent to the Mets to make up the difference in salaries.

So in essence, the trade DID NOT cost the Braves anything financially. Yet MORONS like you will see “cash” and automatically start crying without taking a second to think. PATHETIC, but not surprising.

fastasballs

July 11th, 2009
5:36 pm

I love the people who views it as a personal slap every time Wren makes a move or trade. The last time I checked he was the GM & was paid to do exactly what he’s been doing, which is improving the team & trying to put a winner on the field.

The funny thing is Francoeur fans fail to understand that he wasn’t doing what he was paid to do, hit the ball. It was a feaking gift to get anyone remotely close to a big league player in Church for him, do you not understand that. Francoeur was going to be DFA’d after the season. Think the Braves were going to offer arbitration to him? They were not taking a chance on paying him more than a million MORE than he was receiving this season for utility type #’s.

The Braves don’t exist simply to make some of you people feel good or so you can watch the same guys fail time & time again. They exist to make money, period.

I root for every Braves, but I am not blinded by some false attachement to these players. When they fail as many times as Francoeur they deserve to be traded, regardless if they are a local hero to some or not.

Don’t forget it was Franoceur who truned down a McCann type deal after the 2006 season because he felt he was worth more money. He gambled & lost BIG TIME. I’m glad he didn’t sign or we would be stuck with him for years to come or at least the paycheck.

Coach (2010 or Bust)

July 11th, 2009
5:36 pm

It’s done, finally. We can move on. I too am shocked that Frank Wren received anything of value in return for Frenchy.

At any rate, baseball is a business and Jeff Francoeur was costing much more than he was worth. Which is reason enough to make the trade.

BravesfaninWis

July 11th, 2009
5:36 pm

DOB,

Who is in charge of getting new players up on the roster page of Braves.com? I thought for sure Church would be on the by now with it only be a couple of hours away from gametime..

Coach (Wet Blanket)

July 11th, 2009
5:37 pm

Cars go FAST!

Kelly's Johnson

July 11th, 2009
5:38 pm

Frank Wren: With Bobby no longer able to trot out Frenchie, Kelly Johnson, & Jeff Bennett, we may have a chance to win this thing after all ! GO BRAVES !

jeffrey d

July 11th, 2009
5:38 pm

Who is in charge of getting new players up on the roster page of Braves.com

How do you not know that? It’s Dennis from HR.

PWHjort

July 11th, 2009
5:39 pm

The Pirates signed a 16-year old pitcher from Lithuania named Dovydas Neverauskas. I’m pulling for the kid. I hope he makes it to the big leagues. What a boost for that country it’d be. I recently went to Lithuania and Ukraine, those of us living in the US and Canada have no idea how lucky we are.

Steve from OH

July 11th, 2009
5:39 pm

Steve from Ohio,

Speaking of spineless…

The difference, of course, being that I profess myself to be nothing more than a blogger (of average intelligence at that) and have never accused anyone else (particularly the one guy whose name and face is on public display here) of being spineless, thus rendering myself a hypocrite, when I myself am nothing but a nameless, faceless string of words on a computer screen.

PWHjort

July 11th, 2009
5:40 pm

Who will be the first blogger to change their name to “Ryan’s Church”?

Smart Jay

July 11th, 2009
5:41 pm

Steve from OH

July 11th, 2009
5:41 pm

Geez, are the Pirates going international or what? First Singh and Patel, and now this guy Neverauskas…what a name…

Paul Lentz

July 11th, 2009
5:42 pm

fastasballs…………for a TRUE Braves fan like me, my rants against Francoeur are nothing personal. It’s about his ability to produce offensively. His bat was KILLING the Braves offense. The fact that he is a nice guy means little to me.

Wanting to see someone do good is all and dandy, if you are loyal to the player. However, wanting something to happen……and it actually happening……are two totally different things. Francoeur simply does not have the ability to MAKE ADJUSTMENTS at the plate.

What more needs to be said?

I’d rather have a line-up for of Escobars……..then a line-up full of Francoeurs. Many a team have won championships without great team “chemistry”. Winning is all the “chemistry” that a team needs.

Ryan's Synagogue

July 11th, 2009
5:42 pm

When’s the game start?

PWHjort

July 11th, 2009
5:42 pm

The Jay Hey kid is on espn’s mlb front page.

Frankie Knuckles

July 11th, 2009
5:42 pm

I’ve contended for over a year that true Francoeur fans were either chicks or people who watch baseball very casually or both. You can’t watch the Braves with regularity and be a fan of Francoeur.

Frank from KS (now living in CO)

July 11th, 2009
5:43 pm

Coach and whoever else

Church isn’t the answer. I agree with who said….that this trade wasn’t *to get Church*…it was to rid the team of the cancer that was Jeff Francoeur.

If this team would get a impact bat which Church isn’t…THEN we can talk about winning the East.

jeffrey d

July 11th, 2009
5:43 pm

Who will be the first blogger to change their name to “Ryan’s Church”?

I like Church’s Chickens better

Ryan's Church

July 11th, 2009
5:44 pm

McFann :Ô:

July 11th, 2009
5:44 pm

Thanks for the new Blog, Chief!

Wish today woulda been a day game…

Mixxo

July 11th, 2009
5:45 pm

Harold Reynolds says this is a great trade for us……he knows baseball. ;)

B’lieve it!

PWHjort

July 11th, 2009
5:45 pm

Haha, the last pitch of Sanchez’s no-no was not a strike. I guess you earn it when you’ve pitched 8 and 2/3 no-hit innings with no walks and 10 K’s.

Mixxo

July 11th, 2009
5:46 pm

Can’t wait to see the new lineup!

jeffrey d

July 11th, 2009
5:46 pm

How is Jeff Francoeur “cancer”? Cancer tears apart a clubhouse. Cancer doesn’t care about teammates and managers. Cancer tears apart a team from the inside out. Francoeur just sucked.

Paul Lentz

July 11th, 2009
5:47 pm

jeffrey d………….I wanted to see Francoeur gotten rid of because he SUCKS as a hitter. With the NL East being as weak as it is right now, plus with our starting pitching being as good as it is………the Braves cannot afford

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